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Gene Roddenberry's Mac Plus Is Coming Up For Auction

Harry writes "In 1986, Apple unveiled one of the most popular Macintoshes ever, the Mac Plus. The company gave the first one (serial number #F4200NUM0001) to Star Trek's creator, Gene Roddenberry. And now this very Mac Plus will go up for auction at a Hollywood collectibles event on October 8th and 9th, complete with a letter of authenticity from Roddenberry's son. The estimated value is only $800-$1200, which seems reasonable enough, given its double historical significance." Any bets on how high the bidding will go?

162 comments

  1. Good Piece of History by jshriverWVU · · Score: 1

    I bet it'll go for 3-4k. If they were to auction it for charity I'd bet it'd easily go over 10k

    1. Re:Good Piece of History by matty619 · · Score: 1

      I wonder why they're auctioning it just now in the first place? Gene's been dead for over 20 years now.....does someone need money?

    2. Re:Good Piece of History by bennomatic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      10k? This is Gene Roddenberry, man. His fans will pay $10k for a ripped shirt stained with Shatner's sweat. I'll bet this could clear a quarter mil.

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    3. Re:Good Piece of History by bennomatic · · Score: 2, Informative
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    4. Re:Good Piece of History by cptdondo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      No shit. I've been in elementary school auctions where a fruit basket went for $2K just because it had some kid's paw print on it.

      This will be in the mid 6 figures - although given the economy maybe low 6 figures.

    5. Re:Good Piece of History by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Yeah, 1200 bucks is waaaay low. I would probably never bid on something like that even if I had a bunch of money to blow, but it is something pretty cool (or super uncool?) that a few Roddenberry/Trek fans will certainly drool over. Throw in the fact that it's an old Mac and you have one more factor that makes it special to a definite niche market. No million bucks here, but probably $10k-ish, and definitely way more than $800.

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    6. Re:Good Piece of History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      no no. Just over 9000 :)

    7. Re:Good Piece of History by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My guess would be Paul Allen, or a proxy thereof, will sit there bidding until he wins. And it will go for over $120,000, easily.

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    8. Re:Good Piece of History by pegdhcp · · Score: 1

      It all depends on whether Jobs and/or Woz are Trekkies themselves or not. The fact that the thing carries a serial number like #F4200NUM0001 tells something...

    9. Re:Good Piece of History by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Informative

      It does indeed. Did you know that the 128k Macintosh was the very first Macintosh model ever produced? The very first, I tell you!

      Plugging the serial number into the Early Macintosh Serial decoder yields:

      Your Macintosh 128 (M0001), with serial number F4200NUM0001, was the 776th manufactured during the 20th week of 1984 in Fremont, CA.

    10. Re:Good Piece of History by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      Known Bugs

              * Does not work to magically reveal working serial numbers for software you've pirated. Don't expect this "bug" to be fixed. Ever. Those of you attempting to use this decoder to pirate software are having your IP addresses logged, and they will be reported to your ISP. Don't believe me? Have a gander at these. I WILL report you, and you WON'T like the results. Do I make myself clear?

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    11. Re:Good Piece of History by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mac fans show their people skills once again.

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    12. Re:Good Piece of History by ByOhTek · · Score: 1

      It'd have been $100k if they gave him the appropriate machine (serial number #F4200NUM1701)

      I think it would have been worth making that the first model, and skipping that number in normal production...

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    13. Re:Good Piece of History by somersault · · Score: 1

      *points to Google*

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    14. Re:Good Piece of History by smitty97 · · Score: 1

      2 things:
      1. Roddenberry's is not a Mac Plus. "M0001" is the Mac 128 model number.
      2. All 128's are "M0001". The serial part is just "F4200NU"

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    15. Re:Good Piece of History by MistrBlank · · Score: 1

      I don't know that Woz would care about a Mac, his baby was the Apple and Apple II. The Mac was a Jobs thing and he doesn't strike me as a collector for nostalgia sake. I'd be willing to bet that he still likes to forget his past, if for nothing other than the fact that he has always liked to look to the future.

    16. Re:Good Piece of History by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      /me sets off to pirate Google

      Man, the kids are gonna be PISSED!! They've often accused me of downloading all of Google, and hogging the bandwidth. Now I'm doing it for REAL!!!

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    17. Re:Good Piece of History by somersault · · Score: 1
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      which is totally what she said
    18. Re:Good Piece of History by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Maybe for the same reason why they auctioned-off the Star Trek props - they have no place to store all this crap, so they are selling it.

      Now suppose I bought this Mac. What would I use it for? My ancient Commodore 64 and Amiga make great 8- and 32-bit game machines which I still play even today. What good is an ancient Mac?

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    19. Re:Good Piece of History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you try any other similar serial numbers (ie F4200NUM0482) it says exactly the same thing as for 0001.

      Me thinks the decoder is broken.

    20. Re:Good Piece of History by Sandbags · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Might have been the first one ISSUED by Apple. I'm sure they ran a few hundred through the manufacturing process in testing of the line and systems, not to mention internal units distributed for various reasons and software testing.

      Also, they likey made a few hundred, and had them all packed to ship out to retailers, and on a day a few days before they gave away the first one, but it was not necessarily the first one off the line...

      Then again, we have a family friend with the very first car from Dodge of some particular model of a Hemi in some year (can't remember which, might be a Road Runner), and he has the documentation to confirm it was in fact #1, but it;s seriel number (VIN) actually indicates it was #26. About 20 went to demolition and saftey testing, and a couple of them came off the line with "defects". #26 was the first one sold, including that noone on the team, not even dodge, kept one of them prior to #26 for their own use. It reall is the first one (all 25 previous were destroyed or dissasembled before #26 was sold).

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    21. Re:Good Piece of History by Golddess · · Score: 1

      If you are implying that #F4200NUM0001 contains a Star Trek reference, I'm afraid I don't get it.

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    22. Re:Good Piece of History by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

      Doubtful.

      The twentieth week of 1984 was in mid May. The introduction was in January.

    23. Re:Good Piece of History by Sandbags · · Score: 1

      Apparently the seller clarified later today. Some form of hardware modification was made or something. Anyway, he WAS given this first one, this isn't it...

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    24. Re:Good Piece of History by vlad30 · · Score: 1

      Nah Bill needs something to copy for windows 8 and the mouse microphone is just the thing

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    25. Re:Good Piece of History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jef Raskin, the man who gave his name to the Macintosh (named in reference to his favorite apple brand, the macintosh).

      Yup, Jef Raskin was the man behind the mac. Not a lot of people (especially aheads) know that.

  2. Bets on how high? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    400 quatloos!!

    1. Re:Bets on how high? by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damned Canadians and their odd money!

    2. Re:Bets on how high? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      400 quatloos!!

      Best. Answer. EVER!

    3. Re:Bets on how high? by sarahbau · · Score: 2, Funny

      half a gram of Anjoran bio-mimetic gel

    4. Re:Bets on how high? by zonker · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hear they only deal in gold pressed latinum. Damned Ferengis.

    5. Re:Bets on how high? by ettlz · · Score: 1

      You keep your quatloos to yourself. I'll stick to my flushing Western pedestal, thank-you very much.

    6. Re:Bets on how high? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity, who the heck modded this one "Informative"?

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    7. Re:Bets on how high? by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      We have... evolved... beyond primitive concepts like... money...

      I'll give you a hundred credits for it.

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    8. Re:Bets on how high? by saskboy · · Score: 1

      They're taking Canadian Tire money then?

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  3. Re:Anonymous Coward by lorenlal · · Score: 1

    No... 100... BILLION!

  4. I'll bid on it... by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...and write Spock/Kirk slash.

    1. Re:I'll bid on it... by NixieBunny · · Score: 1

      The auction should be on fanfiction.net, where the folks who would really get some use out of this machine congregate. Except that they're all living at home still. Oh, well...

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    2. Re:I'll bid on it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The auction should be on fanfiction.net, where the folks who would really get some use out of this machine congregate. Except that they're all living at home still. Oh, well...

      Doesn't everyone technically live at home, with home being defined as "where you live"?

    3. Re:I'll bid on it... by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      I'm homeless you insensitive clod !

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    4. Re:I'll bid on it... by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      I would hazard a guess that a person who phrases it that way actually lives at home (and by that I mean at the mouldies house)

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    5. Re:I'll bid on it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the homeless, you insensitive green-blooded vulcan!

    6. Re:I'll bid on it... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      You forgot the obligatory link.

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    7. Re:I'll bid on it... by rthille · · Score: 1

      Heh, I had way more disposable income when I was "living at home" than when I moved out and started paying rent or mortgage.

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    8. Re:I'll bid on it... by Bitmanhome · · Score: 1

      My employer won't let me leave, you insensitive clod!

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    9. Re:I'll bid on it... by Bredero · · Score: 1

      I love how parent is modded +5 insightful.

    10. Re:I'll bid on it... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Where do you hang your hat?

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    11. Re:I'll bid on it... by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Where do you hang your hat?

      When I'm relaxing,
      and put off my hat...
      you may find it perplexing,
      it's worn by my cat.

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  5. It depends by mysidia · · Score: 5, Funny

    At a Hollywood collectibles event, it will probably go for $200k.

    If they had listed it on eBay, and slashdotted the listing, they would probably get bids in amounts over $10 million+.

    But I guess after eBay fees, they're better off selling it at the Hollywood collectibles event :)

    1. Re:It depends by lofoforabr · · Score: 5, Funny

      eBay must be run by the Ferengi.
      In fact, they seem to be even greedier than the Ferengi.

    2. Re:It depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, as Indiana Jones wold say "This belongs in a MUSEUM."

    3. Re:It depends by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Is there some sort of hidden fee I wasn't aware of?

      I mean, it sounds like a lot, but looking at this calculator, with all the optional extras turned on (except Buy It Now, because they'd have to be stupid to do that), it adds up to less than 5% with a final bid of 10 million.

      Ferengi tend to be disappointed if they only get half.

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    4. Re:It depends by Tetsujin · · Score: 3, Funny

      eBay must be run by the Ferengi.

      In fact, they seem to be even greedier than the Ferengi.

      Nah, don't be silly. eBay is nothing like the Ferengi.

      The Ferengi follow a very strict code which governs how they may profit from commerce...

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  6. I Bid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    10 quatloos.

  7. Apple Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Does it come with a year of Apple Care?

    1. Re:Apple Care by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Funny

      It would, if Apple cared.

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    2. Re:Apple Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sure they bricked it years ago LOL

    3. Re:Apple Care by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      It was Apple Cored?

  8. By Neruos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My bet will most likely be under $1k. If the machine has the original harddrive I'm willing to go up to $2-3k.

    1. Re:By Neruos by jshriverWVU · · Score: 1

      If so I would dd dump the drive and bit scan it. Would be neat to pull out an old unreleased work that he scratched.

    2. Re:By Neruos by Robin47 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I had a Mac Plus. It didn't have a drive. Just one floppy drive.

    3. Re:By Neruos by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 5, Informative

      The serial number and the pictures are of an original mac, not a plus. However, see what the auction house said:

      We've gotten several inquires about this by the fantastically loyal and knowledgeable Mac community. After further investigating the item, here's the information:
      Firstly, this Macintosh was, indeed, presented to Gene Roddenberry by Apple. There is no doubt about this.
      The conflict between the photo and the serial number is as follows. This computer, given by Apple to Mr. Roddenberry, is an early production Macintosh 128 (#776), which was then upgraded by Apple for Gene to a Macintosh Plus-thus the model number / serial number / panel that "belongs to" a Macintosh Plus. The 0001 led us to mistakenly believe that it was the first one off the line.
      Again, the provenance of the item is perfect and it did belong to Mr. Roddenberry. I apologize for any confusion.

    4. Re:By Neruos by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hell, I'm not even a major Trekker (Trekkie? I never know what the latest P.C. term is...) and I'd pay $5K for it. It's a hell of a conversation piece, as well as memorabilia. I'll bet there are a bunch of Trek fans who have the cash to blow who'd bid this way over that.

  9. I think... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 0, Redundant

    10 pieces of gold-pressed latinum.

    LK

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    1. Re:I think... by lofoforabr · · Score: 1

      Ahh, my friend, but never forget rule of acquisition #3:
      "Never pay more for an acquisition than you have to"
      I'd go for 2 bars of gold-pressed latinum at most

    2. Re:I think... by tagno25 · · Score: 1

      15m^3 of tritanium and 5cm^3 verterium cortenide

    3. Re:I think... by shadowblaster · · Score: 1

      Considering the price of gold nowadays, that 2 bars would be about $800K. Gold Bar

    4. Re:I think... by shentino · · Score: 1

      10 whats?

      Is that slips, strips, bars, or bricks?

    5. Re:I think... by pluther · · Score: 1

      And that's just the gold. Imagine what it would be worth with the latinum intact!

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    6. Re:I think... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Makes you wonder why they chose to encase latinum with worthless gold...

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    7. Re:I think... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Inert. Gold doesn't like reacting with stuff. Maybe latinum is reactive with... stuff.

    8. Re:I think... by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 1

      It's because latinum is liquid and so sloshes around.

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  10. Imagine by Weaselmancer · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...what you'd find on the main hard disc with a sector editor. THEN bid.

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    1. Re:Imagine by JDeane · · Score: 1

      I myself was wondering this. I mean maybe he started to work on some projects then deleted them. The data might still be there! I doubt he wrote very much on it but it is possible to find something of value.

    2. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except it has no hdd.

    3. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      What are you guys talking about? Mac Pluses don't have hard disks.

    4. Re:Imagine by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah maybe so but some of his stories like the The God Thing and other stories he couldn't finish or sell would be found. You will find that many authors get writer's block and if they have less than 50,000 words written on a book, they usually scrap it and start on a new different book. Writer's block is quite common, which I guess is why Roddenberry couldn't finish the God Thing story, but I guess he had enough of it written to keep it and try to pass it on to other writers to finish for him. So any deleted data would be books and movie scripts that got aborted due to writer's block and he had to quit them and give up and work on something different.

      Oh yeah IIRC the Mac Plus didn't come with a hard drive, it used 3.5" floppy disks. It has a SCSI1 port to use an external hard drive and if it is not included with the auction you won't be recovering any data. The Mac Plus had no support for an internal hard drive like the Mac SE replacement had. I know as I have both a Mac Plus and Mac SE that I have worked on.

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    5. Re:Imagine by GrahamCox · · Score: 4, Informative

      The data might still be there

      Nope. The Mac Plus had no internal hard drive.

    6. Re:Imagine by shadowblaster · · Score: 1

      That Gene Roddenberry had transferred his consciousness to the Mac.

    7. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yep. There's an ep for that.

    8. Re:Imagine by Trogre · · Score: 1

      "Overrated" is a good substitute, if someone has been modded up +1 Informative and is clearly, and I mean clearly, wrong.

      And that happens frequently here.

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    9. Re:Imagine by chadbryant · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not only did the Mac Plus not have a hard drive, the 800k floppy drive it did have was notoriously fickle and unreliable, often killing more than a few disks on its way to the hardware graveyard. When I had the chance to clean out (and keep whatever I wanted from) a storage container full of discarded educational hardware (mostly Macs from the Plus era up to the IIsi era), I learned very quickly that Pluses were pretty much a waste of time to haul home, especially when the modular-plug keyboard (this was pre-ADB) was dead as well.

    10. Re:Imagine by johncadengo · · Score: 2, Funny

      The data might still be there

      Nope. The Mac Plus had no internal hard drive.

      Oh, really? Then explain to me where they stored the formula for the transparent aluminum. On the invisible drive? Yeah, right, I'm not stupid.

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    11. Re:Imagine by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Oh like the guy ever even used it. Even in 1986 he was about a thousand years old. He probably spent his whole life typing on typewriters and scribbling on legal pads. The odds of him even being able to turn the damn thing on were probably about the same odds that he could write a decent script in 1986.

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    12. Re:Imagine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I spend every other batch of mod points modding down posts with tag lines that try to tell me how to mod.

      Ya gets whatcha get.

      If you want to be modded Insightful , have an insight. ...and no - Whining, Begging, Cajoling tag lines are not a substitute.

    13. Re:Imagine by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

      So you modders actually believe the Mac 128 upgraded to a Mac Plus has an internal hard drive?

      Wikipedia Mac Plus entry
      "The Plus still did not include provision for an internal hard drive and it would be over 9 months before Apple would offer a SCSI drive replacement for the slow Hard Disk 20."

      Thanks for the overrated mods, you all were wrong. I am Orion Blastar so I get used to being modded down for the wrong reasons or because someone with more mod points than brains thinks I am wrong.

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  11. Re:Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Jesus, Rush, lighten up. Keep it up and you guys will lose big in 2012, too.

  12. Wait a minute! You're forgetting something! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Funny

    This the the Mac Plus with the formula for Transparent Aluminum on it!

    1. Re:Wait a minute! You're forgetting something! by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      This the the Mac Plus with the formula for Transparent Aluminum on it!

      I wonder if you can give it instructions by talking into the mouse?

    2. Re:Wait a minute! You're forgetting something! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    3. Re:Wait a minute! You're forgetting something! by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 1

      Of course not, as Scotty noticed years ago. But it may contain Rod's katra!

    4. Re:Wait a minute! You're forgetting something! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was just a regular Macintosh. The Mac Plus postdates The Voyage Home.

    5. Re:Wait a minute! You're forgetting something! by shirotakaaki · · Score: 1

      This the the Mac Plus with the formula for Transparent Aluminum on it!

      I bet it has enough power to control a nuclear wessel also!

    6. Re:Wait a minute! You're forgetting something! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just use the keyboard.

  13. $1701 by Ken_g6 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It may go for more, but I'd bet someone at least bids that amount.

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    1. Re:$1701 by ari_j · · Score: 4, Funny

      The really problem is that every fan will bid $1701. Therefore, only a non-fan can possibly win the auction.

    2. Re:$1701 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm *SURE* it will go for more; but I just bid exactly that. (If it comes down to it, I'm willing to buy it for that. Heck, if I actually have to pay $1701, that will be even more 'cool-factor' for it.)

    3. Re:$1701 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The really problem is that every fan will bid $1701. Therefore, only a non-fan can possibly win the auction.

      what about $1701b, $1701c and $1701d? So the maximum bid would be up to $94237

    4. Re:$1701 by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      > The really problem is that every fan will bid $1701. Therefore, only a non-fan can possibly win the auction.

      what about $1701b, $1701c and $1701d? So the maximum bid would be up to $94237

      You fail as a fan. There's an Enterprise-E, so it could go to $94238.

      And I do believe the Enterprise-J showed up during an Enterprise time-travel episode. So you might need to move to another base.

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    5. Re:$1701 by ari_j · · Score: 1

      Let's not talk about the Enteprise-J.

  14. Not as originally advertised by m509272 · · Score: 5, Informative

    determined to be not as advertised

    We've gotten several inquires about this by the fantastically loyal and knowledgeable Mac community. After further investigating the item, here's the information:
    Firstly, this Macintosh was, indeed, presented to Gene Roddenberry by Apple. There is no doubt about this.
    The conflict between the photo and the serial number is as follows. This computer, given by Apple to Mr. Roddenberry, is an early production Macintosh 128 (#776), which was then upgraded by Apple for Gene to a Macintosh Plus-thus the model number / serial number / panel that "belongs to" a Macintosh Plus. The 0001 led us to mistakenly believe that it was the first one off the line.
    Again, the provenance of the item is perfect and it did belong to Mr. Roddenberry. I apologize for any confusion.

    1. Re:Not as originally advertised by Shag · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The upgrade from 128K to Mac Plus spec is actually pretty significant, since the 128K was only supported until MacOS 4 while the Plus was supported until 7.5.5 (which was a pretty decent OS). I suspect this is going to go more to someone who wants it because of the provenance, though, and rarely if ever get used. I hope whoever buys it sets it up to play a slideshow of Trek photos or something.

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    2. Re:Not as originally advertised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nitpick: that would be System 4. The term "MacOS" was only introduced with MacOS 7.6.

    3. Re:Not as originally advertised by wkearney99 · · Score: 0

      If it was upgraded it would've required pretty much all new internals. The motherboard was different, as was the back case. The 128k had a single-sided floppy, the plus was a double-sided drive. The keyboards were different. The power supply board was different too. So basically an upgrade from a 128 to a plus would keep only the front bezel, the CRT and the metal chassis.

      Curiously, the inside of the cases had the signatures of various employees involved in making it happen. As the production run increased those signatures became less legible due to the mold wearing out.

  15. Re:apple needs to restart Star Trek proposal and h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    who stole your punctuation?

  16. Added bonus by Comatose51 · · Score: 3, Funny

    As an added bonus, you get a mouse that doubles as a microphone and understands voice input.

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  17. No Hard Drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Mac Plus did not have an internal hard drive, and no external drive appears to be listed with it. The Mac Plus was, however, the first Mac to have a SCSI port to support external hard drives, although it was slightly nonstandard and didn't work with a lot of external drives made after the mid-1990s. Earlier Macs had to access an external hard drive through the floppy port, which was rather slow, never mind the poor capacity of hard drives in the mid-1980s. If this was a modified Mac of an earlier vintage it might or might not be an actual Mac Plus with a SCSI port. I didn't see a picture of the back of the computer.

    The picture does show it with an external floppy drive, but it seems less likely it comes with any of Gene's old floppy disks.

  18. Language Packs by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 2, Funny

    I require the interface and documentation to be in Klingon.

  19. Double what? by djupedal · · Score: 1

    Listen.... When you kill two birds with one stone... that's a double but not historical. When you make two holes-in-one on the same course, that might be historical, but again, not nearly a ddddddouble.

    But when you boink twin-sisters on the same day, in the same bed, with the same erection....now you're talking.

  20. McGiver In Federation Space? by martin-boundary · · Score: 1, Funny

    Is it just me, or did anyone else read the title and immediately think they were auctioning the rights for a remake of McGiver in the 25th century?

  21. Yellow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Is it impossible to find any original Mac that isn't yellow now?

    I mean, check this Amiga 1000.(Yeah, I don't remember mine ever looking that good either. What a score.)

    But Macs, I haven't see /one/ in the last ten years that hasn't succumbed to nasty yellow. Is there no hope? Anyone have one that's still white?

    1. Re:Yellow by Dewin · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's a few ways to restore or prevent the yellowing. I can't find the original page I saw before, but this has more information.

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  22. Re:apple needs to restart Star Trek proposal and h by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    apple needs to restart Star Trek proposal and have mac os x for all x86 hardware back then dell the others did not want it (part of the M$ lock in that the killed beos, os/2 and others) now dell and others want it vista is a big bust and linux is ganging ground.

    Wow, and here I thought F. Scott Fitzgerald was dead...

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  23. Latinum... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll pay twelve bars of gold-pressed latinum for it!

  24. Floppies? by pluther · · Score: 1

    Will it come with a collection of the floppy disks Gene Roddenberry used with it?

    I can just see it, though: "Those? Our research showed they were only $.39 each new, so the value would only start at just under $400 for the thousand we threw away..."

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  25. Re:apple needs to restart Star Trek proposal and h by Shag · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought people only posted while drunk on Fark.

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  26. 3 bars of gold pressed latinum by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2, Informative

    3 bars of gold pressed latinum.

    Seriously, I don't see it as much other than a museum piece. Odds are if it still works, it won't for very much longer, leaving it a glorified vase, with toxic metals in it.

    1. Re:3 bars of gold pressed latinum by Mr680x0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Odds are if it still works, it won't for very much longer, leaving it a glorified vase, with toxic metals in it.

      What do you mean it won't work much longer? Chances are it'll last years longer, just like most other Apple hardware from the time. I've got Apple II systems that still function perfectly, CRT and all.

    2. Re:3 bars of gold pressed latinum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's a mac plus which uses large DILL chips very and would be quite easy to fix thanks to the wonderrs of ebay allowing the purchase of retro hardware. Also older hardware using logic IC's genraly never dies aslong as kept within the maximum ratings unlike modern chips with tiny solder balls cramed together and 40nM between adjacent electron paths.

    3. Re:3 bars of gold pressed latinum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you obviously never owned an early mac. I do (Mac SE) and still fire mine up twice a week at least. They were a lot of fun (and still are).

    4. Re:3 bars of gold pressed latinum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How was this modded as Informative? The latinum comment?

      Those early Macs, especially, will work forever. I have a Plus that I still fire up maybe once a week. Shows no signs of significant wear to the (internal) components, no electronics degredation smell, etc. - works perfectly. Why would the one in question not work much longer?

      (Even the latinum comment was wrong - it'll go for at least 3 /bricks/, not merely bars!) ;)

  27. Re:Anonymous Coward by timlyg · · Score: 0

    What about "We don't use money anymore"?

  28. I think it depends on..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Gene Roddenberrys p0rn has been erased or not....

    mmm...Imagine the Klingongs............

  29. Macs retain their value by Renderer+of+Evil · · Score: 0

    Here I have a Dell Vostro and it's probably worth 10% of its original sticker price.

    Any bidders? It was sold to me by Dell.com and I was one of the first people who watched Star.Trek.CAM.XviD-DEViSE on it. I promise, it's a collectible.

    1. Re:Macs retain their value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... Early Macs were innovative machines, design icons (hard and soft), and the first personal computer for /so/ many people, hence have value. But fast-forward to the "beige era" and watch the collectibility plummet to contemporary x86 values. I've kept my 7600 for kicks, just like I've kept one Pentium I, but it's no more valuable than the Quadra and pizzabox 6100 I sent to the dumpster. Even G3 iMacs would have a hard time getting 10% of original sticker. Your Vostro has plenty of company.

    2. Re:Macs retain their value by FlyingGuy · · Score: 1

      Hmmm I wonder what my original, in the box it was purchased in, IBM PC 8088 w/64K of ram, two 360k floppies, IBM green screen monitor ( also in the box it came in ) with all packing materials and documentation would be worth?

      And it still boots ROM Basic! ( I took it out put it on the bench and fired it up :: Motivated by a /. article :: and the machine actualy booted!

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    3. Re:Macs retain their value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm I wonder what my original, in the box it was purchased in, IBM PC 8088 w/64K of ram, two 360k floppies, IBM green screen monitor ( also in the box it came in ) with all packing materials and documentation would be worth?

      And it still boots ROM Basic! ( I took it out put it on the bench and fired it up :: Motivated by a /. article :: and the machine actualy booted!

      NASA might perhaps pays some money for a _working_ one since they need it to repair/operate the TrembleSat, EnvEye, LunarPorp, FairySat and Sol Invictus systems and 8088's are
      quite rare.
      US Army might need them too since all computer from 286 onwards are made in Asia and therefore unsuitable for Level 5 (red badge) classified data, but they should pay less since they can also use 8086's, C64's and VAXen.
      Don't think other gov agency will buy since
      rumors claim they make their own bug-safe computers from cardboard and strings.

    4. Re:Macs retain their value by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      the first personal computer for /so/ many people, hence have value.

      You've got that backwards - good supply would mean lower price.

      Old Macs have a high price precisely because there were fewer of them made, compared with PCs where there were so many of them, you can't give them away.

      Same thing applies to the Amiga and other non-PC computers - smaller numbers of machines were made, so the ones that survived are more likely to fetch a higher price.

      If you mean you're making a distinction between home and business use - well, the Mac doesn't do so well there, as much of its sales were still in business. That explanation would work much better for the Amiga: very popular as a home machine, but overall the sales were less than the large number of PCs that were sold to businesses.

  30. Damn this earthling keyboard!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    minus the extra g

    1. Re:Damn this earthling keyboard!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      more like klingdongs!

  31. Glorified vase? Think Different! by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    MacQuarium!

    Put a little Time Travel Arch in there. Magic!

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  32. 1701? by Amiralul · · Score: 1

    #F4200NUM0001? How uninspired... I would have chosen #F4200NUM1701.

  33. Math Fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    250K < 640K.

  34. This is nothing. by ATMD · · Score: 2, Funny

    Apple may have given Roddenberry a Mac, but in a decade or so they'll be celebrating Asimov's 100th birthday with their new media-streaming, music playing domestic assistant, the iRobot.

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  35. I Didn't Know Roddenberry was a graphic designer?! by Alexander · · Score: 1

    Must have been the Mac he used in school.

    Get it? Only graphic designers and schools use Apple computers?

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  36. Fact Checking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone fact check anymore? I've seen this incorrectly reported on multiple sites. I have yet to see it reported correctly. This is not the first Mac Plus ever made. It isn't even a Mac Plus. It is a 128k Mac and it isn't the first one. The Mac Plus says Plus on the front. The serial number decodes as being an early machine, but not the first.

  37. Yes but, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does it run Linux?

  38. But... by RichardJenkins · · Score: 2, Funny

    But does it run LCARS?

  39. Re:I Didn't Know Roddenberry was a graphic designe by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

    Graphic designers, schools, and people who were given one by Apple for free.

  40. In the spirit of star trek. . . by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    In Gene's ideal world, all notion of money is gone. It's a communist utopia. It's time to evolve, people. Just give it to me. See, wasn't that simple?

    1. Re:In the spirit of star trek. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1

      In Gene's world, you wouldn't want to own it. You'd simply don your metallic jammies and go visit the thing in a museum, where it belongs.

      I love those lines in Indy films, "It belongs in a museum!" The dude was willing to die for that ideal. Does that make Indy a communist?

      -FL

    2. Re:In the spirit of star trek. . . by JSBiff · · Score: 1

      First, I was mostly just going for laughs.

      But, if you want to be serious, "To each according to his needs, from each according to his ability" would pretty well describe the Earth and UFP of the Star Trek Universe. I don't remember the exact phrasing used, but I remember one (probably several, but it's a little fuzzy now) descriptions of the UFP "economy" in Star Trek which pretty much boiled down to that. Don't get me wrong - as an ideal, I don't see anything wrong with it, to inspire people to less greed. But, that quote, I started out with, is, of course, a famous Marxist maxim. Basically, the economic system described in Star Trek is communism. I'm not trying to red bait here, that's just what it is.

      Also, right now that "artifact" (the Mac Computer, that is) belongs to Rodenberry's heirs (it's not entirely clear to me, right now, who the current owner of the computer is, or who the proceeds of the auction will go to, but it sounds like maybe it's Roddenberry's son?). Do you believe all property should revert to the State upon death? If so, that's communism. That's just what it is. If you don't think that, then isn't it up to the "owner" of the computer to decide what to do with it? Whoever owns the computer right now, decided they wished to sell it instead of donate it to a museum.

      I mean, Indiana Jones was dealing with 'found' antiquities. I can see the argument that such antiquities really have no "proper" owner, and ownership shouldn't just go to the first person to touch it (i.e. the person that found it), so I have no problem with the notion that such antiquities should go to a public museum for all to see. But for people's belongings, if you think after their death, they revert to the public/state, then your philosophy is very close to some sort of communism or socialism, at least.

    3. Re:In the spirit of star trek. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1

      First, I was mostly just going for laughs.

      Me too.

      Thanks for offering your thought process, though. It seems well-formed. I just find myself struggling against the evils of greed in a world where self-service is required for survival. I think fighting through this infernal crucible is how we turn from lumbering proto-humans into more fully-formed souls.

      -FL

  41. StarTrek 4 by dissy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I wonder if this is the same Mac that was used in the famous transparent aluminum scene in Star Trek 4 that Scotty was speaking with. I'm pretty sure that was a Mac Plus as well.

  42. Re:apple needs to restart Star Trek proposal and h by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apple needs to restart Star Trek proposal and have mac os x for all x86 hardware back then dell the others did not want it (part of the M$ lock in that the killed beos, os/2 and others) now dell and others want it vista is a big bust and linux is ganging ground.

    Wow, and here I thought F. Scott Fitzgerald was dead...

    thats not f scott fitzgerald
    thats ee cummings
    but whatthefuck mehitabuck
    theres a hell of an auction next tab
    lets go

  43. Auction Link: Lot 626 by cetroyer · · Score: 1
    For those interested in the auction link:

    Lot 626, Very first Apple Macintosh Plus [serial number 0001] given to Gene Roddenberry by Apple Computer

    As you can see, the auction info has not been updated to reflect the correct history of the computer.
    cetroyer

  44. Now THIS is what an original 128k Mac Looks Like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife was on the Mac team in 1984, and they each received a production "First off the Line" Mac 128k with a commemorative plate on the back. No serial number, model number.... nothing... just the plaque. See it here. (And yes, it still works, as she was not a 'geek' and had no clue, and never even used it). http://homepage.mac.com/gsm/.Pictures/Mac218k_1984_TeamGift.jpg [I've blocked off her maiden name in this image].

  45. Just the spinoffs by hawk · · Score: 1

    Money was alive and well in Star Trek, as was trade and commerce. I think the price of the ship was even referred to at one point.

    The spinoffs are another story--in them, it indeed appears that scarcity has been solved. This doesn't lead to *communist* economics, but the complete *lack* of economics. With scarcity solved, economics becomes merely a historical discipline.

    hawk, sometime economics professor

    1. Re:Just the spinoffs by JSBiff · · Score: 1

      I disagree that scarcity was solved in The Next Generation and later series (I assume that's what you mean by "spinoffs"?) - here's why: replicators may have made *material* scarcity a 'solved' problem, but it seems like, from the series, not all things could be replicated - ships, for example, where manufactured in a semi-traditional manner, (that is, for example, I remember at least one episode of Deep Space 9 where we see a ship yard, and ships that are partly constructed - they didn't just 'replicate' entire star ships) where only so many ships could be created per week/month/year. Also, human labor - not everything was automated - humans were still necessary to do certain things. Since a human doesn't have infinite time in which to labor, there is still a scarcity of human labor per unit time.

    2. Re:Just the spinoffs by hawk · · Score: 1

      Uh, yeah, those were the spinofffs, as opposed to Star Trek.

      The only things they couldn't replicate were those that were needed for the plot in the handful of episodes that did happen (not wiped out by gratuitous and inconsistent time travel) or solved by by techno-gobbly-gook that the watcher was supposed to care about.

      The people on the planet are cold and starving? No problem, replicate food and blankets.

      Poker? It's all about plastic chips.

      bah

      hawk

  46. Throw me the idol, I throw you the whip! by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    I mean, Indiana Jones was dealing with 'found' antiquities. I can see the argument that such antiquities really have no "proper" owner, and ownership shouldn't just go to the first person to touch it (i.e. the person that found it), so I have no problem with the notion that such antiquities should go to a public museum for all to see. But for people's belongings, if you think after their death, they revert to the public/state, then your philosophy is very close to some sort of communism or socialism, at least.

    Maybe Jones wasn't oblivious to the fact that he was basically stealing these treasures, and the "in a museum" thing was necessary for him to continue his tomb-raiding ways without being crippled by guilt?

    Maybe part of his pervasive love of achaeology was in being able to present it to others?

    Maybe it just served as a nice bit of dialogue for the character to convey to the audience what actually happened to the artifact at the end of the movie? :)

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  47. Re:apple needs to restart Star Trek proposal and h by The+Outbreak+Monkey · · Score: 1

    Dude, classic! I am in tears from laughing...

  48. Obvious by wallsg · · Score: 1

    Ah! A keyboard. How quaint.

  49. You know... by Antarctic+Pirates · · Score: 1

    This computer is really only worth money if it talks to you in the voice of Majel Barrett-Roddenberry.