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Unambiguous Evidence of Water On the Moon
Nethemas the Great writes "Information has leaked ahead of the scheduled NASA press conference tomorrow that we have found unambiguous evidence for water on the moon. From the article, 'Since man first touched the moon and brought pieces of it back to Earth, scientists have thought that the lunar surface was bone dry. But new observations from three different spacecraft have put this notion to rest with what has been called "unambiguous evidence" of water across the surface of the moon.'"
I'll be thirsty after the long ride.
moon cheese in a nice brine.
That's just Buzz Aldrin's piss.
The water these missions have found is present in very small quantities. Extracting it would require a lot of energy. The hope with polar water is that there might be masses of the stuff in some craters so that you could at least get a kilo of water from 20 or so kilos of regolith. Water in those quantities would be of use to humans. But we haven't seen it yet.
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Since Apollo expedition brought back petrified wood from the moon, water was abundant there many years ago.
I hope that the Indians are able to establish a lunar colony; they certainly have the expertise.
The casinos might take off, that's a business that will attract customers no matter where you build one. If they've gone and bought Rotary Rocket's intellectual property, the ATV is certainly the right shape too. But there are precious few bison up there...
they didnt found water in rock brought from Hollywood Hills, they thought it is stupid dry there, now they believe that probably there will be some water, maybe even life?
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Stable substance composed of two of the most common and reactive elements in universe, common in the universe! News at 11.
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And here I was looking forward to eating a nice curry on the moon. I had the wrong Indians all along.
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Whalers on the moon!
There have been persistent reports in the Indian press over the last 3 days that Nasa's Moon Minerology Mapper on board India's Chandrayaan-1 had found water, and that the Thursday press conference would reveal it. Glad to have the embargo lifted early. http://www.examiner.com/x-21670-Houston-Space-News-Examiner~y2009m9d22-Did-Chandrayaan1-confirm-ice-on-the-Moon http://www.rttnews.com/Content/GeneralNews.aspx?Node=B1&Id=1074265
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Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
... "While the probe was still active, its NASA-built Moon Mineralogy Mapper (M3) detected wavelengths of light reflected off the surface that indicated the chemical bond between hydrogen and oxygen" ... ... "At noon, when the sun's rays were strongest, the water feature was lowest, while in the morning, the feature was stronger." ...
From this they seem to draw the conclusion that the water is moving.
If they are measuring reflection, that includes such of sunlight and all other incoming light. Including that from the earth (sunlight reflected by the earth to the moon). The part of the light reflected from the earth does not depend on the intensity of the sunlight reaching the moon, but the earth. In other words: With increasing sunlight intensity the background noise of reflections from the earth is reduced.
I hope they got some backside measurements, and that there really is some water. But what was presented in the article doesn't really convince me.
"India's first lunar mission has found evidence of large quantities of water on its surface, The Times newspaper reported on Thursday."
from http://www.hindustantimes.com/Is-there-water-on-moon-NASA-to-reveal/H1-Article1-457426.aspx
Great news indeed. Still, it's depressing to think that we're still using an ancient, dangerous, primitive and very expensive space transportation technology: rocket propulsion. One thing is sure; we'll never colonize the solar system with rockets at the rate we're going.
But rejoice. Soon, a new form of transportation will arrive, one based on the realization that we are immersed in an immense ocean of energetic particles. This is a consequence of a reevaluation of our understanding of the causality of motion. Soon, we'll have vehicles that can move at tremendous speeds and negotiate right angle turns without slowing down and without incurring damages due to inertial effects. Floating cities, unlimited clean energy, earth to mars in hours, New York to Beijing in minutes... That's the future of energy and travel. Check it out.
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There is no moon, it's just a big conspiracy to make us believe there is! The moon is just made in a big movie studio!
The fact that they've had to search this hard for evidence of water being on the moon is clear evidence that the moon "landing" was a hoax. After all, they would have had water on the lander, and thus brought water to the moon, giving clear evidence of it being there.
I guess that explains where all our arctic and antarctic ice caps have disappeared to then.
1) discover water on Moon
2) put it into small bottles, and add some CO2
3) ???
4) Profit!
Scientist1: hey, we found oxygen
Scientist2: hey, we found hydrogen too
Marketing: Hmmm oxygen and two hydrogen is H2O. Water! Bingo, we're in the money!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article6846639.ece
We have discussed this quite a bit now, in fact its actually doing good.
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/12/1811258
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/14/1648203
The water these missions have found is present in very small quantities. Extracting it would require a lot of energy.
This is the bond of water. We know the rites.
A man's flesh is his own; the water belongs to the tribe.
Squirrel!
But we had been to Neptune ... they are still returning ..since ...
Actually, Native Americans have been lying to Americans all along. When anyone else visits, they're treated to really amazing curry, which puts Southern Asia's to shame.
India has launched seven satellites in 1200 seconds. http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-09-23-voa18.cfm Google finds a way writing an api to search /objects/ located in space, for doing this they shown willingness working with ISRO.
Next time you google black hole .. It will direct you to it [where you get sucked off]than showing a mere ass hole, or black lady or black music album. kudos.
The article says it's water or hydroxyl (although it quietly drops the alternative for a while and just calls what they're picking up "the water signal"). I'm no chemist, but hydroxyl != water, right? So it's not unambiguous?
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Is it .. then Welcome to Mars.....
Indians would be eating Biryani there !!
The high cost to the human races colonisation of space is caused by
the complexity and danger of reaching escape velocity.
The Space Shuttle turned out to be an expensive dangerous white elephant, the reason the Shuttle was so expensive is, because of its complexity with millions of different manufactured parts.
There is another route, we can reach the edge of space no problem Burt Rutan proved this with Space Ship one when he won the 'X' prize by reaching over 100 km twice in one week.
Yes the Shuttle was 'reusable' but in name only. They could not have turned that around in a week.
One idea could be to create rocket fuel on the moon, this latest discovery of water on the moon means there is rocket fuel on the moon.
Use the rocket fuel to fuel a space moon tug, use the moon tug to accelerate 'Space Ship One' to escape velocity in a vacuum where it is safe to do and also the moon tug could be used to decelerate SS1 in a vacuum, again much more safe
Then we can use the moon as a fuel station, there are asteroids of ice, in the asteroid belt put rocket motors on the ice asteroids and fly them to the moon.
The moon is the door to the solar system.
It's called an elephant's trunk whereas it is in fact, an elephant's nose, a nose by any other name would smell as sweet
Chandrayaan, the moon probe sent by the Indian Space Research Organisation, carried the NASA-built Moon Mineralogy Mapper (M3) that finally located water. This is a big boost to the Indian space program
Insight into much, Influence over nothing !
Alcohols have a hydroxyl group, so it could also be ethyl alcohol (C3C2OH).
Come on, everyone knows the moon is made out of cheese. I must say it is amazing that we actually know so little about the moon. If there was water on the moon, one would think we would have found it by now.
Astronauts landing on Moon now have to be very careful.
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I'll be very interested to see how much deuterium or tritium is contained in the water's two hydrogen atoms per oxygen. Because the best place within humanity's reach to put nuclear reactors (fission or fusion) is on the Far Side of the Moon. Nothing like a huge planetoid standing between your reactor and your home planet, with no atmosphere and low gravity, reachable by only those authorized for spaceflight, to make nuclear power actually safe. And with such a reactor farther out of Earth's gravity well, we could launch all kinds of space exploration and exploitation missions.
And the byproduct of harvesting all that heavy water would be a lot of drinkable water for human staff, and even for gardens and farms to feed it.
Nuke powered Moon bases. Two great American innovations that go great together.
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I've always rushed to the conclusion that unbound water on or close to the lunar surface won't stay there for long, because it would sublimate almost instantly due to the nearly zero pressure, with the resulting vapor quickly escaping the moon's weak gravity well.
Either the phase diagrams allow for solid water under the existing conditions (effect of low temperature > effect of low pressure), or maybe water sublimates more readily when the resulting vapor can dissolve into an atmosphere (e.g. by weakly binding with the other gases) than in a vacuum.
Can somebody point me to some relevant scientific info ? Yes, I'm too busy right now to GIM.
I'm not a coward by any name.
Well, then how about you explain why/how objects in motion tend to stay in motion or at rest. If it's that easy.
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It strikes me that since the Moon is similar in composition to the Earth, having been essentially "blown off" as a large chunk in its early development, that there would be a vast amount of water beneath the surface. Obviously not in liquid form, but far in excess of what you would find on the surface.
Great! Now well also be able to look up and see endless housing and traffic.
Who needs tiny bits of water when you can be playing blackjack with space hookers.
...and you thought Evian was expensive.
BTW I patent Bottled Moon Water!!!
Franklin screws up electrical charge convention and no one cares, Armstrong takes a wiz on Moon and everyone makes a fuss.
That's why we need manned space exploration: if we only had sent people instead of probes, they would have found this long ago!
Oh, wait...
I beam with pride hearing that NASA has confirmed what earth based, and moon based observations have been stating for decades. It has been my personal experience that when one actually gets their hands dirty, they start to understand. Maybe NASA could put a manned clean room on the moon? That would be cool. Also, man would learn more with a Pick-Hammer, Shovel, and Bucket than all the time wasted on fly-by's.
Determining that, on Earth, you can reproduce the lighting from the Apollo photos != "the moon landing was entirely plausible"
Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
"Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
Casinos? Indiginous Americans ("Injuns") own casinos. The Indians own all the convienience stores.
Free Martian Whores!
Wow... Maybe we really will be whaling on the moon.
That would really be amazing if they found water, since I'm pretty sure they either found ice or steam. Water would be amazing and we'd have to rewrite the laws of physics.
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Back under Apollo, we brought back samples that had small amounts of water. We assumed that it was simply a leak of our atmosphere into the containers. But it was a wrong assumption. It shows that we really can get things wrong.
Now, we have seen lots of interesting points on mars that suggests life (in particular, viking). Yet, we are over and over saying no. This makes me wonder if Mars will hold life. In addition, it really says that our first couple of human missions to mars really should be one-way (who knows how long it will take an alien virus/bacteria to show symptoms)
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Water=propulsion to grab Trojan asteroids, and mine other assets, go to Mars, etc.
It is a strategic asset for colonization. The species must become multi-planetary (any species that does not expand range becomes extinct due to statistical causes)
that aside, militarily and commercially, it enables the construction of commercial facilities (water is the heaviest thing to pull from Earth, a moon factory/mine can use the Earth gravity well to deliver to LEO), it allows perminant basing. And if you think the US is the only group thinking like this, think again (it was an Indian spacecraft...). The water allows many, many lunar options in the next 30 years.
Given the trace amounts of water still left, whoever colonized the moon is long gone by now. And so are the space Buffalo.
"No matter how cynical you get, it is impossible to keep up." -- Lily Tomlin
Here is the actual news release from NASA.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/moonmars/features/moon20090924.html
OK, maybe Space 1999 is not the best source of scientific motivation for settling the moon, but there are others.
EG: It has been estimated to take $21 billion to launch Japan's space solar satellite. Wouldn't a moon base be able to handle all our satellite needs cheaper?
We could also use a moon base to build L5 colonies, which in turn could one day turn into slow boats to Mars and beyond.
Don't forget the H3 industry fusion reactors may also require.
What did you think the Man in the Moon was going to drink? Oh, or was that the urine bags that the Apollo astronauts left there?