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Pirate Party Unites In Australia

bennyboy64 writes "iTnews reports that the Pirate Party has opened a branch office in Australia and is recruiting office bearers and supporters. The group updated the Australian website it registered last year and advertised for a president, treasurer, secretary, and supporting positions. A party spokesman, Rodney Serkowski, said the group was close to establishing a beachhead in Australia. He said that with 300 supporters it was on its way to signing the 500 it needed to become an official Australian political party. 'We are currently an online community, working together with the intention of becoming a registered party, and we're coming closer to reaching that goal,' Serkowski said. 'If we can get the required 500 members, and be registered by year's end, I think it is highly probable that we will contest the next Federal election in Australia.' At the weekend about two percent of Germans voted for the Pirate Party, although it needed five percent to gain a seat in the Bundestag."

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  1. In other news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    During the elections on Germany the Pirate Party there could rake in 2% of all the votes: almost a million people voted for them! Kudos, and keep going!.

    1. Re:In other news.. by Ihlosi · · Score: 2, Informative
      Any party can get 2% of the votes by favouring things which the other parties oppose.

      There were over a dozen parties on the ballot that couldn't.

    2. Re:In other news.. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah but lots of parties don't even try to get votes. For example here there are parties for Christians, divorced fathers who don't want to pay child support, and the gun lobby who never get a significant vote.

      The Pirate Party is a bit more like One Nation because they have a fairly open, vague policy platform. If they find out that in one place there are votes for opposing music festival (they won't let us pirate our music!) they will run on that in that place. Elsewhere the issue might be caps on internet downloads or something. You can drum up votes that way but you can't build a national platform.

    3. Re:In other news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Same as in the US

      Hell no, not at all. There are two votes in each German federal election. The first vote is about electing a majority candidate to represent your district in parliament - which certainly resembles the US "winner-takes-it-all" system, but on a finer scale as about 299 seats in parliament are assigned that way. The second vote is about electing a party (usually) nationwide, which is where the Pirate Party gained 2% of the share. This vote gives all parties with more than 5% of the votes a proportional share of another 299 seats.

      The important difference is that with the German system it's much much more likely for a small party to be represented in parliament. In the US however, third parties have essentially no chance whatsoever.

  2. Freedom is born where oppression reigns by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the U.S. doesn't want its own Piratpartiet, the government had better consider that the reason these branch offices have popped up is precisely because of heavy-handed laws that attempt to usurp the inalienable rights of users to download content for free off the internet.

    Any action against Net Neutrality, for one, will be one step towards establishing a Pirate Party here at home. Any action that tries to legislate morality on the internet will be one step towards a viable Pirate Party third party. The only real chance legislators have in the U.S. of stopping the growth of the Pirate Party here is ironically to embrace the tenets of the Pirate Party and implement the freedom of information it espouses.

    Princess Leia once put it very succinctly, "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

    1. Re:Freedom is born where oppression reigns by cjfs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only real chance legislators have in the U.S. of stopping the growth of the Pirate Party here is ironically to embrace the tenets of the Pirate Party and implement the freedom of information it espouses.

      Which is exactly what the goal of the party should be. They'll never form a government, but by bringing attention to the issues they can do a world of good. When you see the major parties imitating your policy, you haven't obsoleted yourself, you've won.

    2. Re:Freedom is born where oppression reigns by zwei2stein · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... inalienable rights of users to download content for free off the internet ...

      All bet are on ...

      +5 Insigtfull
      -5 Troll
      +5 Funny

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    3. Re:Freedom is born where oppression reigns by cjfs · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ... inalienable rights of users to download content for free off the internet ...

      Notice how the article takes the same outlook, it goes from "change the landscape of Australian politics by advocating fairer copyright, freer culture and ensuring the protection of civil liberties, sending a strong message to Mr Conroy that his censorship scheme is not welcome in Australia" to six paragraphs on getting free music.

      The challenge is to inform the public that file sharing is only one part of one issue. Hopefully the AU pirate party can stay on message and educate people there's much more to be concerned about.

    4. Re:Freedom is born where oppression reigns by IBBoard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hopefully the AU pirate party can stay on message and educate people there's much more to be concerned about.

      How much of the general public is going to listen beyond the "free music" point? If you say your party politics revolve around "copyright changes that would allow them to download music for free, implementing fairer copyright terms, ensuring political civil liberties and protecting against censorship" then all they'll hear is "copyright blah blah blah download music for free, blah blah blah blah blah".

      The majority of people don't care about the more important values that could be the focus of these policies, they just care about getting something for nothing and not having a potential law suit or internet connection threat hanging over them.

    5. Re:Freedom is born where oppression reigns by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

      As freedom loving descendent of criminals all Australians will...

      (sees new iPod)

      Oh Shiny!

    6. Re:Freedom is born where oppression reigns by Kjella · · Score: 2, Interesting

      +5 Funny

      ...for suggesting the Democans and Republicrats have anything to fear in a first-past-the-post system. Or maybe "+5, Sad truth" but that's not a moderation. Europe is the big threat, because to *briefly* try to describe ~30 different political landscapes most have proportional representation, a 4-5% lower limit, a big socialist block, a big conservative block and some smaller parties. These smaller parties can be both between the blocks (greens, christians, liberals) and extreme left/right wing parties.

      This will very often lead to a distribution from left to right something like 5-35-20-35-5, one major party on each side who's looking to gather some adjoining parties for a coalition. Here's a very central point - it's not so that each side will necessarily want all their "own" parties in it. For example, many extreme right parties are shunned by the rest of the right side - they'll rather look to the center. This means that if you can get past the 4% and be in the center, you're very attractive. It's often easier for the big parties to swallow making some environmental or social policy changes than cooperating with the extremes, that has a price of its own.

      That said, it's not so easy to start a new party in Europe either, even though it's easier in the US. Since there are more parties, they also tend to shift more trying to close up gaps of voters that aren't satisfied. Already you see a lot of parties moving in towards the Pirate Party trying to keep enough voters away so that it won't pass the limit. It's usually many years between a new party enters the parliament, the last round was really the greens.

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    7. Re:Freedom is born where oppression reigns by quenda · · Score: 2, Informative

      In Australia when the iPod was released there was no legal way to get popular music for it.
      There was no iTunes or equivalent here, and it was illegal to copy your own CD collection. Yet iPod and other mp3 players sold like hotcakes.
      Just like copying your CD to tape to play in the car was illegal. Time-shift recording on your VCR was illegal.
      But nobody gave a damn. The laws have changed a little since, but since thy were never enforced, few people noticed.

      So frankly, and sadly, I don't see the Pirate party getting much attention.

    8. Re:Freedom is born where oppression reigns by kalirion · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Does the U.S. have an official Illegal Alien Party? Stoner Party? Sex Offender Party? Highway Speeder Party? Seems to me that if we made political parties over every group of laws a large portion of the population does not like, copyright would be far down the list.

    9. Re:Freedom is born where oppression reigns by Stray7Xi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Illegal Aliens and Sex Offenders can't vote

      Stoners are a subset of libertarians

      People want to speed but they also want speeding laws.

      Really "pirate" platform is an argument about freedom and ownership rights. It's a lot more philosophical then wanting to break a law, it's an argument that the law is morally wrong. It's closer to the Gun Control vs NRA or Abortion prior to Roe v Wade.

  3. Website link by bbqsrc · · Score: 5, Informative

    The website link is here. :)

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    1. Re:Website link by bbqsrc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also, sorry to reply to myself, but incase the site goes down, irc://irc.piratpartiet.se/#PPAu That's our IRC.

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  4. Yarr by acehole · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I signed up as a supporter. If you're Australian and involved in IT so should you. Even if you're not but care about censorship and IP related issues, sign up. Dont let people whose policies are dictated by industries who only have how much profit they can squeeze out as their only lobbyists on such issues.

    Help fight for your own rights, dont rely on others to do the work for you. Its time, step up.

    Sign up! Sign up! Sign up!

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    1. Re:Yarr by Andy_R · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...and if you are not in Australia, sign up to your local party!

      The Pirate Party will only become a major force in politics if people are prepared to put in the time, effort and cash needed to make it work. Here in the Pirate Party UK, we are facing a huge challenge to raise enough money to put up a significant number of candidates in the next general election. We have 650 constituencies, each requiring a £500 deposit before we can give voters the chance to vote pirate.

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    2. Re:Yarr by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Couldn't you just pay with ten double-sided copies of 50GBP notes?

    3. Re:Yarr by wtfamidoinghere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes. All of those went fine without copyright for centuries, thank you very much, specially art, wich seems to be the more controversial one lately. Granted, much less grand-grand-sons would continue to profit from work they never did, but I really have no sympathy for them.

  5. Piratenpartei got 2.0% in german elections by bostei2008 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Pirate_Party

    This may not sound much, but it is actually pretty good for a new and totally unknown party with a scary name. Hopefully the aims of the party (internet Censorship, civil rights etc) will now get some public attention.

    1. Re:Piratenpartei got 2.0% in german elections by Arancaytar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Exactly - the PP pulled past the rightwing extremists with flying colors and taken on the title of the "biggest of the small parties". The news agencies moved them out of "Others" into their own column. To compare, the Greens got 1.5% when they first ran, and "save the Earth" sounds easier to convince people of than "copyright needs to be revised". This was a grand success! :D

    2. Re:Piratenpartei got 2.0% in german elections by Ihlosi · · Score: 2, Informative
      There already is the FDP which has a strong civil rights wing and is, for example, opposed to goverment monotoring of private internet use by the secret service.

      If the FDP has to chose between tax cuts for a few and civil rights for everyone, they'll chose the former. And they usually have to chose, since they can't govern alone. Also, not everyone buys into their libertarian agenda.

  6. Not 2 percent in Germany by Denial93 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    2 percent in Germany might not be correct. Pirate party votes have been lost in at least one voting district and it only came out because the result said no votes were cast for them, while at least three voters report voting for them. The official preliminary results for Berlin do not show pirate party votes either, although this is probably just a glitch as 3,5% were reported for Berlin before.

    Investigations are ongoing.

    1. Re:Not 2 percent in Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are two tables for the results of Berlin. The first one shows the results for the 'Erststimme' (first vote) which is used to elect a direct candidate for your district. Since there were no direct candidates from the pirate party for Berlin, the number of votes is 0. The second table shows the results for the 'Zweitstimme' (second vote), which is used to assign the seats in the 'Bundestag' proportionally to all parties that gained more than 5%. As you can see, the votes for the pirate party do appear in this table.
      I hope this helps. But mind you, the German election system is extremely complicated.

      Greetings from the Germany.

  7. What we actually manages to do by redhog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is only the beginning. PP has shown that change is possible, that it is possible to reach positions where you can affect actual policies:

    The swedish Pirate Party has one member in the European Parliament since this summers' election. This MEP is now one of the 14 MEPs in the group working with the european commission to work out a final solution for the Telecom package.

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  8. Could there be a more supid name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    For a political party?

    "What's the name of your organization?"
    "The Pirate Party."
    "Oh, aren't those the ones that believe in pirating other people's hard work?"
    "No uhh... the name is a uhh... shut up, Arrr!!!!"

    1. Re:Could there be a more supid name by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Informative

      "No, the name is a reference to fighting global warming!"

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  9. Yes, they are expending fast by saibot834 · · Score: 3, Informative

    German Pirate Party gets some attention, though it could be more. They have been successful this far, because they address topics that major parties ignore (internet cencorship, civil rights, privacy, government transparency, open access, copyright, patents, ...). They got 0.9% at European Parliament election in June and now they got 2% in federal elections. Their membership number is exploding (currently almost 10,000, graph).
    Even though some pirates hoped for a better result, 2% is absolutely astonishing. If their success continues (and polls show that PP has 13% of all first-time voters, some time is working for us), they may very well be in the Bundestag (parliament) in four years. By comparison, Green party had 1.5% in its first federal election in 1980 and since the following election, they are represented in the Bundestag with constantly over 5%.

    1. Re:Yes, they are expending fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      13% of all first-time voters, some time is working for us

      I heard that it was 13% of the male first time voters.

  10. Pirate Party is too narrow a term by Ritontor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the Pirate Party should rebrand itself as the Internet Party, Digital Party or Future Party, some such thing, and just fight for the rights of all things that service the good of the Internet, which is kinda what they're doing anyway, except to the layman, who asks "what the hell has pirates got to do with the Internet"?

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  11. Re:Great... by PeterBrett · · Score: 4, Informative

    I want a British pirate party now. We need one :/

    That's okay, because we've got one! Just passed 500 paid-up members, too.

  12. im not sure a pirate party by nimbius · · Score: 2, Funny

    would gain any ground in the states, and for two reasons.

    1. the average american has been boiled like a frog into accepting the illegality of downloading content that majority shareholders and major corporations deem "unsuitable." id hate to even think it, but it almost seems as though we just dont care about or rights and freedoms as long as we're marketed a product that appears to cater to our wants reglardless of our rights (ipod and zune for example)

    2. most americans and lawmakers especially would have a terrible time not associating the pirate party with somali pirates, if not at least subconsciously. This would need to be retooled to have a prettier name at very least.

    finally for extra credit, americans have trouble with things like sex and sexuality, so if there were an initiative as pervasive as AU to censor our tubes, its hard to think there would be much if any resistance to it simply based on our culture. Just my theory.

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  13. They may just get a seat. by shitdrummer · · Score: 2, Informative

    They may just get a seat.

    One of our current federal senators is Seven Fielding, of the christian political party called Family First. http://www.stevefielding.com.au/

    That fool got his seat with only 1.8% of the primary vote. The remainder were on preferences.

  14. They shoudln't have advertised for a President by fast+turtle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's not the Pirate Way. What they needed was a Captain, A second Officer, Master at Arms, Helmsman, Navigator and you certainly can't forget cook. That's what it takes to run each and every pirate ship we have, not some new fangled rank like President.

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