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Comcast In Deal Talks With NBC Universal

schwit1 sent us an LA Times article about another step in the seemingly unending media consolidation. This time it's Cable giant Comcast Corp. looking at NBC. NBC owns a slew of channels, including Bravo, USA and Syfy (who might have the single lamest rebranding since Spike). The article says that it would be far cheaper than the Disney deal Comcast tried to pull off 5 years ago.

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  1. Lamest rebranding by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1

    The lamest rebranding:
    www.theminingcompany.com to www.about.com

    also of note:
    www.askjeeves.com to www.ask.com

    1. Re:Lamest rebranding by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, those are pretty good rebranding efforts. They replace a cumbersome word that might not be easy to remember or that doesn't have a good connection with the content of the site with a single short commonly-used word that is on target and easy to remember. (Of course, nobody ever visits either one of these sites unless they come up in a Google search....)

      On the other hand, Sci-Fi's decision to call themselves "Syfy" is simply a lame attempt to justify having professional wrestling in their lineup.

    2. Re:Lamest rebranding by Idbar · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Syfy" is simply a lame attempt to justify having professional wrestling in their lineup.

      Isn't professional wrestling fantasy anyways?

    3. Re:Lamest rebranding by mrsurb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      World's lamest rebranding in my book: The Australian icon Vegemite being renamed iSnack 2.0. Sounds like a joke, but...

    4. Re:Lamest rebranding by Scyber · · Score: 4, Informative

      On the other hand, Sci-Fi's decision to call themselves "Syfy" is simply a lame attempt to justify having professional wrestling in their lineup.

      It was my understanding that the primary issue is that they couldn't trademark Sci-Fi b/c it was a generic term.

    5. Re:Lamest rebranding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, Sci-Fi's decision to call themselves "Syfy" is simply a lame attempt to justify having professional wrestling in their lineup.

      It was my understanding that the primary issue is that they couldn't trademark Sci-Fi b/c it was a generic term.

      However, "Sci-Fi Channel" would be a vaild trademark. If what you state really is true it's still a stupid attempt at rebranding.

    6. Re:Lamest rebranding by alexj33 · · Score: 1

      No, I'll bet it was because they don't play any actual Sci-Fi, so they couldn't call it that anymore.

    7. Re:Lamest rebranding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't mean it belongs on the fuckin scifi channel.

    8. Re:Lamest rebranding by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      fantasy

      Oh darling yes. That Undertaker fellow is so dreamy.

      Er... wrong kind of fantasy perhaps?

    9. Re:Lamest rebranding by fireball84513 · · Score: 1

      Well, i always considered it a soap opera for men, so, yeah.

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    10. Re:Lamest rebranding by eleuthero · · Score: 1

      Warehouse 13... Eureka... standard sf opera... followed by the new space opera Stargate... (or do you think it will continue to be that oriented towards action)... hurrah for the new Stargate DS9... err...

    11. Re:Lamest rebranding by sorak · · Score: 1

      That and Ghost Hunters...

    12. Re:Lamest rebranding by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      In Canada we have "Space", and the website labelled to spacecast.com.

    13. Re:Lamest rebranding by clampolo · · Score: 3, Funny

      I for one welcome this new management. Maybe it means that they will finally give the fans what they want and come out with Mansquito 2.

    14. Re:Lamest rebranding by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Sure, but its not science related like the channel should be.. Or monster related ( which is what the channel was degenerating towards )

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    15. Re:Lamest rebranding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because everyone knows we can't possibly have channels like:

      Learning, Discovery, History, Military, Science, Documentary, Biography, Travel, Weather, Lifetime, Oxygen...

    16. Re:Lamest rebranding by Idbar · · Score: 1

      Or monster related

      Seriously, like these?. Think again.

    17. Re:Lamest rebranding by evilviper · · Score: 1

      It was my understanding that the primary issue is that they couldn't trademark Sci-Fi b/c it was a generic term.

      No, you can't trademark "Sci-Fi" any more than you could trademark a "Red Hat".

      Never-the-less, a trademark on "The Sci-Fi Channel" would be just fine, and anyone coming along creating a channel with "Sci-Fi" in its name would be sued into oblivion for causing "consumer confusion".

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    18. Re:Lamest rebranding by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      Nope, the lamest rebranding ever was Kraft Vegemite & Cheese as Vegemite iSnack 2.0. That's right, iSnack 2.0 . No, really.

    19. Re:Lamest rebranding by jseale · · Score: 1

      The backstage goings on may be but what you see on stage is 100% pure SPORTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    20. Re:Lamest rebranding by jseale · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what all happened to those? Victims of the DVD market or something?

    21. Re:Lamest rebranding by sakasune · · Score: 1

      ... is 100% pure SPORTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Even more reason for it not to be on a channel (originally) geared towards geeks :P

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  2. Consolidation ... by foobsr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... interesting how the semantics (or maybe it is pragmatics) of a word make any further comment obsolete.

    CC.

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  3. When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

    .....the content, the distribution channel, and the local government-granted monopoly over neighborhoods, then they control the minds of the people.

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    1. Re:When they control...... by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well maybe some of the people. Not everyone is locked into Comcast. In fact, nobody is truly locked into Comcast. But perhaps we should start looking for an exposed ventilation shaft that leads to the core of their mothership just in case.

    2. Re:When they control...... by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We're already down to just a few companies that control virtually every media producer and distribution pipeline in the country. It's little surprise these guys oppose net neutrality. Without some sort of government imposed net neutrality, they can essentially shut out even the indie media producers from online distribution. Then they would control pretty much everything we see and hear (or, more importantly, DON'T see and hear).

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    3. Re:When they control...... by Nickodeimus · · Score: 1

      Not if the people don't watch TV. I watch one show a week and its more because i want to spend time with my girlfriend than watch the show. HMMM....... time to cancel all but basic cable, now that i think about it.

    4. Re:When they control...... by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, cable-wise you pretty much *are* locked into them if they have the cable franchise in your city and you can't use satellite (your house faces the wrong way, live in an apartment, etc.). And even on the broadband internet side, most people only have 2 or 3 options at the most. In my city, if you don't go Comcast for broadband, the only other option is AT&T DSL (which is limited to a measly 3 Mbps in this city).

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    5. Re:When they control...... by qw0ntum · · Score: 1

      Remember last time an ISP (yes, I know Comcast does more than that) bought a media company? The world was introduced to AOL Time Warner.

      Probably don't have too much to worry about.

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    6. Re:When they control...... by donaggie03 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You seem to have missed a subtle but quite important work in GP's post. " ...nobody is TRULY locked into Comcast . ." So yeah, you can argue about how they have a monopoly in certain areas and some people can't get a satellite connection, but at the end of the day, no one has to sit there watching cable television. If Comcast is the big evil monopoly in your area, and you are anti-Comcast, then just don't watch cable*. So, no. . . nobody is truly locked in.

      *Most OTA stations let you stream the newest episodes from their site the day after it airs on TV. Those shows, and most of the ones not available for streaming, including cable shows, can usually be found on torrent within 12 hours of airtime anyway.

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    7. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 0, Troll

      >>>(or, more importantly, DON'T see and hear).

      A friend was just telling me about a little organization called ACORN that was using taxpayer dollars to support prostitutes (or something). It's strange that I never saw that on the Comcast News Network or ComcastNBC. He said he saw it on something called Air America - never even heard of them. By the way, what's "acorn"? (shrug)

      Back to topic -

      Just as government has introduced the idea of choice for electric providers and phone company providers, they need to do the same with Comcast cable lines. Customers can get a list of individual channels (or packages), and they decide what they desire to see.

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    8. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      AOL-TW was a victim of bad timing, merging just prior to an economic meltdown (dot-com crash). Comcast-NBC will be merging while the economy is on the rise.

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    9. Re:When they control...... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I pay for basic cable service even though it is not plugged into my TV. That's because I want fast internet access and Comcast has bundled them such that signing up for a cable TV service I don't use, saves me money. That is pretty much a conclusive indicator of a broken market that needs to be addressed by antitrust regulators.

    10. Re:When they control...... by qw0ntum · · Score: 1

      Perhaps. Either way, you make a great point in your GP post.

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    11. Re:When they control...... by ericrost · · Score: 0

      So stop doing it, I did. I download a lot of stuff and my connection is more reliable at actually obtaining the content on a regular basis at a consistent speed using 5 Mbps AT&T DSL than Comcast's "Comcastic" 10 Mbps cable modem.

      I don't watch that much tv, but what I do is easily accessed through hulu on boxee hooked to my 50" DLP. I have my dvd collection at the press of a button, and use my xbox 360 to stream hd quality (ish) movies from netflix.

      I actually get more entertainment from this setup that I had to do some THINKING to obtain than the braindead channels that comcast offers. I also record OTA HD and can burn it to dvd, transcode it, or do whatever the hell I want with it since its MY airwaves the broadcast networks use to deliver it to me.

      Stop complaining and start voting with your feet and your wallet, trust me, you'll feel bettter about yourself. I don't LOVE AT&T, but they're certainly the lesser of my two evil choices.

    12. Re:When they control...... by powerlord · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Add to that one other word that most people seem to be leaving out of the thoughts: Hulu

      Hulu was started and is still back in large part by NBC.

      It is a distribution mechanism that has the potential to completely obsolete Cable Companies (except as ISPs), and buying NBC might give Comcast a stake in the company, or at least a say in the direction of the company ("Maybe we should run more adverts", "how about a three week delay and only show the last two episodes", "we really shouldn't run 'cable exclusive' content").

      I'm just as happy having Hulu in the hands of content Producers and Over-The-Air broadcasters who are less used to draconian control of the distribution channel (VCR have been around for a while, and Pay-Per-View/On-Demand hasn't been an issue for Broadcast TV).

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    13. Re:When they control...... by eht · · Score: 1

      How can your house face the wrong way? Instead of putting the dish on the back on the house, put it on the front, or put it on the ground.

      Many people in my apartment complex have dishes, and your landlord can not forbid you from installing one due to FCC regs.

    14. Re:When they control...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      ~0.5% of people who download would have bought the product on CD. So as rough estimate: 200 song downloads = 1 lost sale

      99.5% of people who download will make up random numbers to justify their behavior.

    15. Re:When they control...... by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How can your house face the wrong way?

      Tall radio-opaque building to your south*, or your apartment is on the north* side of the building.

      *Invert this in New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, or Brazil.

    16. Re:When they control...... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Comcast-NBC will be merging while the economy is on the rise

      Do you really believe that the economy is on the rise? That pumping a couple of trillion dollars of debt into it has magically fixed all of the problems? We'll see a short-term improvement, perhaps, but in the long term we're just building it up to be worse than it ever would have without government "stimulus", tarp, and other such foolishness. /uninformed-but-common-sense-opinion

    17. Re:When they control...... by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

      Do you know where I can get F1 races online to download? That is one thing keeping me on pay TV.

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    18. Re:When they control...... by ElSupreme · · Score: 1

      Yeah but you can put up a dish no matter what your apartment manager says. You can put up the biggest most unsightly satelite dish (on TV antenna) despite the most aggressive HOA. You are protected by the FEDS!

      http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/consumerdish.html

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    19. Re:When they control...... by asv108 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Comcast will probably use the growth of FIOS as the excuse for why the merger should be passed.

    20. Re:When they control...... by ElSupreme · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes and I actually did this. I am so ANTI-COMCAST that I went 2 years with crappy ATT DSL, and NO cable TV.

      And in a month I will be living on a street with 2 competing Cable providers!!!!! So I can hopefully haggle one down to about 50% normal rates and pay an acceptable amount.
      And I will spout my discount as PROOF of monopolistic, and price fixing tactics on NO COMPETITION cable providers.

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    21. Re:When they control...... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      So stop doing it, I did. I download a lot of stuff and my connection is more reliable at actually obtaining the content on a regular basis at a consistent speed using 5 Mbps AT&T DSL than Comcast's "Comcastic" 10 Mbps cable modem.

      There are multiple problems with that. First, so far AT&T has been more expensive every time I checked because they bundle their service with a home phone line, which I also don't want. Second, AT&T's connection is slower by all comparisons I've seen. Third, doing business with AT&T (my cell phone provider) is a bureaucratic hell. Even finding out if they will provide DSL to my location is an exercise in frustration. If I go to their Web page right now (just did) I fill out four different forms as they try to figure out where my address is (weird how Yahoo and Google maps have no problem huh?). In the end I get the message "Due to technical problems, we are unable to process your order online at this time. Please contact us at 1-877-722-2256 Monday through Friday, 7 am to 9 pm and on Saturday, 7 am to 5 pm." I'm not falling for that crap again. I called them once and got to talk to a whole variety of clueless people who couldn't give me a straight answer about anything. They are the epitome of a giant broken bureaucracy I don't want to have to deal with.

      Stop complaining and start voting with your feet and your wallet, trust me, you'll feel bettter about yourself. I don't LOVE AT&T, but they're certainly the lesser of my two evil choices.

      I disagree. So far Comcast is the lesser of two evils for me, but the point is after giving both companies billions in government aid to build their networks I shouldn't have to be picking the lesser of two evils both of whom force me to buy a crappy service I don't want to get what is basically a utility I need. It's idiotic and the result of our broken system that lets corporations lobby the government. We need the government to work for the people again and stop giving these idiots hand outs and start building a public internet infrastructure that Comcact and AT&T can provide TV or phone or both over... and so can any other company without worrying about government enforced monopolies on public right-of ways or trying to overcome start up costs the government paid for their competitors.

    22. Re:When they control...... by kthejoker · · Score: 1

      Really? For me, getting just the single service Internet was at laest $20 cheaper, even with all the ridiculous lock-in specials Comcast offers. Which saved me enough for a Netflix account, which with all the TV on Hulu is all I really need for entertainment.

    23. Re:When they control...... by kthejoker · · Score: 1

      "(or something)." Nice trolling.

    24. Re:When they control...... by xkcdFan1011011101111 · · Score: 1

      only the people who consume the content over their media channels. They don't control books yet...

    25. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>>I will be living on a street with 2 competing Cable providers!!!!

      Every urban street in the U.S. should have this. And not just 2 providers, but maybe 4 or 5. It is only through competition that you break the back of a monopoly, plus giving choice to the consumer empowers them to run their own lives.

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    26. Re:When they control...... by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Interesting... because I saw that ACORN thing all over Fox News and CNN. Hmm... Is he watching TV in America?

      As for broadband infrastructure, I think it's high time the gubbermint mandates fiber to the door, and buys it from the telcos to sell on the open market. Pay someone to put lines in, pay someone a contract to manage/repair it (on 5-10y) basis, and let companies buy it from the government. Use the postal service model, perhaps?

      I really don't care how it's done, but keep content separate from delivery. Period.

    27. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>So stop doing paying for cable, I did. I download a lot of stuff...

      Which is precisely why Comcast and other cable companies have contracted with TNT, USA, FX, et cetera to move their content behind a subscriber wall. That means you'll no longer be able to watch these shows for free, unless you can provide a valid Comcast, Cox, or Time-warner subscriber number.

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    28. Re:When they control...... by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      When they control the content and the distribution, they lose the "the company upstream is forcing us to encrypt the channels" excuse.

      Comcast currently doesn't want me as a customer, so they encrypt their channels to make sure I can't watch them and pay them money. I think it really pissed them off when I gave them money over and over again, month after month, year after year, back in the analog days when you plugged the cable into a receiver and everything "Just Worked."

      But if they own the channel, now what is their excuse for going out of their way to reduce their profits? How are they going to continue to justify their efforts to make bittorrent piracy (where nobody, neither content producers nor distributors, makes any money) be the channels' only presence in the market?

      I look forward to hearing their new excuses for trying to come up with ways to go out of business. Everyone knows the entertainment business' number one priority is suicide, but not everyone appreciates how their business itself, has become the entertainment. Maybe this move, buying the channels, is what is going to make the irony unsubtle enough for everyone to perceive. The snobs will complain that they're dumbing it down for mass-consumption (a suicide everyone can enjoy) but I've got no problem with it.

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    29. Re:When they control...... by Killer+Orca · · Score: 1

      Not that I don't agree with you, I don't have cable, but most people are still locked in due to things like sports, others live in apartments and can't get OTA TV. Out of curiosity how do you record the OTA channels? I've been looking into doing so but most DVRs are explicitly marked as supporting QAM and don't indicate whether they have expandable HDDs or can burn to disc.

    30. Re:When they control...... by ericrost · · Score: 1

      BS, I pay $54 for dry loop dsl from AT&T. Once they are set up, they simply bill me. Comcast has 800 price structures for 6 month specials that I have to call and renegotiate EVERY six months. I have a flat price that is lower than Comcast's regular rate, no home phone service, and NO BS TO DEAL WITH ANYMORE.

      If you put in the effort ONCE, you never have to call and threaten to cancel your service to get the "better" deal.

    31. Re:When they control...... by ericrost · · Score: 1

      Hasn't happened yet. When it does, so long, I don't want to business with that type of company anyhow. There's this thing called ethics, and it doesn't go out the window when its inconvenient or not fun enough.

    32. Re:When they control...... by ericrost · · Score: 1

      mythbuntu, a hauppage wintv card, and a newer nvidia card for accelerated playback (newer == 8500 and up iirc). I pay for schedules direct (speaking of which I'd better pay my $20 today since my year's up)

    33. Re:When they control...... by ericrost · · Score: 2, Informative

      AT&T comes with espn360 streaming, which has formula 1, 3, and nascar racing events live and replayed on demand whenever you want. I'm a huge college football fan who used to pay for the extra package during the season, and I just got sick enough of it that I explored my options.

      There's other isp's that pay for espn360:

      http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList

    34. Re:When they control...... by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 1

      In many areas of this country, local governments give out franchises to cable and phone companies, which can grant these companies legal monopolies. In such a case, it is legally impossible for anyone at all to enter the market in that area aside from regulatory duct tape that forces the providers to sell/give access to their cables to other companies. Those solutions do not strike at the core issue: legal monopolies.

      In my own area, Comcast enjoys a legal monopoly on high-speed internet access. We've been hoping for some time that Verizon might be allowed to offer FiOS, but they regulators feel that that will interfere with a telephone monopoly. Grr......

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    35. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>they bundle their service with a home phone line, which I also don't want.

      You should. When a storm knocks-out the electricity, the phone line is the only thing that still works. I will *always* have a phone line just for such emergencies, and the cost is trivial ($5).

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    36. Re:When they control...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to read the rules a little closer. If you have a deck or some other area that is under your exclusive control, then you can put up the dish irrespective of the HOA. If, however, your apartment has no deck or other exclusive use space the FCC rules don't apply. In the case of a standard square box apartment tower your SOL unless you have a deck.

    37. Re:When they control...... by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      Even if you can use satellite you can still be locked to Comcast. I have DirecTV and noticed the VS channel was off the other day with the message that Comcast owns it and was trying to charge some higher rate for DTV to carry it.

    38. Re:When they control...... by megamerican · · Score: 1

      What you forget is that every time these companies consolidate it is approved by all the regulating bodies of the government, whether it be the FCC or FTC.

      These companies have yet to do what you've said they will do on a large scale although there is supposedly nothing stopping them. What is stopping them is their customers. People won't stand for it. If you allow the government to regulate the internet in this way it opens the door to these companies lobbying the government to change the rules in their favor.

      The net neutrality regulation proposals as they stand now are good, but it opens the door for more regulations in the future. Don't say it won't happen because it has in every other industry.

      The consumers are the ones who should be demanding net neutrality. If you allow the government to do it you are immasculating the consumer and ensuring a future of shitty internet.

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    39. Re:When they control...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter if your apartment is on the wrong side of the building, like mine.

    40. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>start building a public internet infrastructure

      Which we will be taxed for at 5 times the current rate charged by the private companies. No. Thanks. At least with Comcast I can say, "Thanks for the call but I don't want your tv shit," and not pay them a dime. I can't do that with the government. (Heck they want to fine me $1500 because I don't want their health insurance.)

      Also my DSL as actually reasonable - $15 a month. I have no complaints.

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    41. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      False. There's a size limit on how big the dish or antenna can be, and there's also a limit of 12(?) feet above the roofline. I have to admit I like the idea of challenging the housing association tyranny. Bunch of control freaks.

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    42. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      RIAA wrote:

      99.5% of people who download will make up random numbers to justify their behavior.

      I researched (read: googled) and it took awhile, but eventually found this statistic. Out of every 2500 downloads, there's the loss of one CD sale. Figure 10-11 songs per CD, so that's one lost song sale per ~200 downloads.

      If you can provide a better statistic, please share it. I'm willing to listen to rational argument if they are backed by facts.

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    43. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      You want more precision? Fine. YES acorn was receiving billions of dollars in taxpayer money, and they were using for good things to assist inner-city communities BUT they were also using it to advise prostitutes in D.C., Baltimore, Los Angeles, and New York how to (a) lie on tax forms to commit fraud (b) import illegal persons (c) set-up a prostitute house as a "dancing hall" and (d) prostitute 13-14 year old girls. Now maybe you think those actions are acceptable or even moral, but what matters is the Law which clearly specifies organizations who commit those acts are not allowed to receive government funding.

      I'm not trolling. I'm discussing current events.

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    44. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>Do you really believe that the economy is on the rise?

      There are two answers I can provide:

      The real answer - no we're about to experience massive devaluation of the dollar (i.e. a loss of your savings). Or the funny answer: "Yes absolutely. This I know because Obama loves me so... red, yellow, black, or white, all are equal in his sight". LINK - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVrj0fBNwzk

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    45. Re:When they control...... by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      It's the fallacy that an economy can be built on information, instead of raw goods. That's what's going to do us in in the end. Information is cheap, and the rest of the world is rapidly catching up or exceeding the US in knowledge manufacture...

      Physical goods... real physical scarcity. Therein lies wealth (and an entirely different set of problems).

    46. Re:When they control...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In some places there are covenants that are inforced in spite of laws to the contrary. If you have a dish antenna in the front of your house in Columbia, Maryland they can fine you and harrass you into moving. There are a lot of new areas where a no-condo assocoiation has more power than one would think.

    47. Re:When they control...... by ElSupreme · · Score: 1

      Ok but really are you going to use larger than a 1m dish? And if you live in AK you have no such limit.

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    48. Re:When they control...... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      start building a public internet infrastructure

      Which we will be taxed for at 5 times the current rate charged by the private companies.

      We're ALREADY being taxed for it. We paid for the creation of their existing networks with huge government subsidies and they keep getting more of them. We're still paying interest on the loans we took out as a country to provide all that subsidy. Rather than wasting the money, we should hold them accountable to provide a public good and open up all the last mile network to other competitors.

      At least with Comcast I can say, "Thanks for the call but I don't want your tv shit," and not pay them a dime.

      No you can't. You're already paying them with your tax dollars.

      Also my DSL as actually reasonable - $15 a month. I have no complaints.

      I'm very happy for you. Too bad most americans don't have any such options. We pay more for less than other countries, just like healthcare. We have already paid more per person in subsidies to the telecos than other countries with similar population densities who now pay half what we do for faster service. Your price is an anecdote, but there are several real studies showing how much we pay and what we get by comparison.

    49. Re:When they control...... by d0rp · · Score: 1

      As the other poster pointed out, MythTV works quite well and the hauppage cards are quite good. The pcHDTV card from http://www.pchdtv.com/ also works well from my experience, I've used both. But Windows Media Center also works surprisingly well. I switched to that so I could move the PC to another room and only have my Xbox 360 hooked up to my TV (actually, I had a projector, but that's beside the point) and stream the video to that.

      MCE is a little less useful than MythTv because it adds DRM to your recordings (though I hear its not too hard to remove), but if all you're planning on doing is watching it and then deleting it, then it works beautifully. It has the added benefit of it "just works" with the Xbox 360 and its remote (My experience with getting a remote to work with MythTV was less than pleasant).

      Of course, I recently broke down and got DirectTV because (ironically) when the digital transition finally happened, my reception of the digital channels (in my apartment) suddenly became less reliable.

    50. Re:When they control...... by jackbird · · Score: 1

      The federal government is more powerful than your HOA. It's a matter of getting the ear of the right bureaucrats at the FCC to put the smack down on them.

    51. Re:When they control...... by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

      AOL-TW was a victim of bad timing, merging just prior to an economic meltdown

      Well, that, and the fact that Time Warner executives have shit for brains.

    52. Re:When they control...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't understand why Comcast hasn't been broken apart yet by the government. They are clearly a monopoly and their service suffers because of it. In a capitalist society, consumer choice drives the market. The same forces that are keeping Comcast together are keeping health-care programs locked at the state level and advocating government-funded public options. Bullshit... all of it.

    53. Re:When they control...... by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 1

      Sorry, mate, but this logic does not hold up. The term monopoly refers to having exclusive control over one branch of an industry -- if Comcast has no competitors it is a monopoly, regardless of your decision to simply not watch TV.

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    54. Re:When they control...... by s73v3r · · Score: 1

      Customers can get a list of individual channels (or packages), and they decide what they desire to see.

      Its not the cable companies that are stopping this, its the channel owners themselves. If a cable company wants to offer a channel, then they often are required to pick up a few other channels, and there are restrictions on what tier they can be placed on. For example, if a cable company wants to offer ESPN, then they are required to also buy ESPN2, ESPNEWS, and ESPN U. And the agreement will often have restrictions on what tier they can be placed on; i.e. ESPN2 and ESPNEWS must be on the same tier as ESPN. So if you want a la carte channel options, you're gonna have to get rid of this practice from the channel providers themselves.

    55. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>We're ALREADY being taxed for it. We paid for the creation of their existing networks

      Yes but that's a once-and-done tax. I was talking about an ongoing tax that never ends, similar to SSI or Medicare, that would be used to maintain the internet cabling under the streets. I would prefer an internet system more akin to the cellphone companies, where the networks are privately held but you still have a choice of multiple providers. Competition is preferable to a government monopoly.

      >>>hold them accountable to provide a public good and open up all the last mile network to other competitors.

      Agreed but corporations don't have any control over that. It's the local cities and towns that refuse to allow competition, so petition your local or state government to lift that restriction, and you will have competition. Simple as that. In a few years you'll have a choice between Comcast, Cox, Time-Warner, AT&T, Verizon... all running past your house.

      >>>We pay more for less than other countries

      A common misconception. Here is how the United States stacks-up against other regions, for average internet speeds. We are behind Russia, but equal to our European cousins, and ahead of Canadians, Aussies, Brazilians, and the Chinese:

      Russian Federation 7 Megabits per secomd
      European Union/U.S. 6 Mbit/s
      Canada, Australia 5
      Brazil, China 2
      Mexico 1 Mbit/s

      And if you prefer to look on a state-by-state basis of the EU, US, and Canada then you get:
      1 Sweden 11 Mbit/s
      2 Delaware 10
      3 Washington 9
      4 Netherlands,Rhode Island, New Jersey, Massachusetts 8
      5 Virginia,New York,Colorado,Connecticut,Arizona, Germany, British Columbia 7 Mbit/s

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    56. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>I think it's high time the gubbermint mandates fiber to the door

      Not really practical. You can't run fiber to every farmhouse in the wilds of Idaho or Wyoming or Montana. However you could mandate DSL to every door, since everyone already has a phone line and therefore all you need is a DSLAM to enable the connection. That would be an instant upgrade for everyone from 50k to 1000k - about twenty time faster.

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    57. Re:When they control...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try http://thebox.bz

    58. Re:When they control...... by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Air+America
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      1 Oct 2009 ... Progressive talk radio network with streaming audio features provocative conversation, interviews and political satire.

    59. Re:When they control...... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      I would prefer an internet system more akin to the cellphone companies, where the networks are privately held but you still have a choice of multiple providers. Competition is preferable to a government monopoly.

      Yeah, because cell phone coverage in the US is so great compared to other places? Also, your analogy does not exactly work, as to do that you'd need each company be able to run lines to your house. It's a engineering nightmare much worse than providing multiple towers in a locality.

      Agreed but corporations don't have any control over that. It's the local cities and towns that refuse to allow competition, so petition your local or state government to lift that restriction, and you will have competition. Simple as that.

      You don't think there is any reason for those local restrictions? We tried the same thing in the dawn of telephones and electrical power. You get a dozen companies running separate lines and when one pole falls over it knocks out service to a dozen providers. Additionally, whenever one company has to dig or service there is significant risk of damage to other lines, and the more companies there are the worse this problem gets.

      It makes a lot more sense to have one set of lines that are shared by all and the government is the best group to do that, or at least one company regulated by the government the way power distribution works. And several municipalities have tried this, often only to be blocked by legislation written by teleco pet legislators at the state and federal level.

      We pay more for less than other countries

      A common misconception.

      You're truncating when quoting me, changing the meaning of what I wrote. I said we have paid more per person in subsidies than other countries with similar population densities who pay less. Comparing us to all of Europe with widely varying population densities and incomes and levels of government subsidy is worse than meaningless it is misleading. Take a look at countries like Sweden. They have faster internet at lower prices, with a similar population density. They paid less in taxes to subsidize their system despite massive fraud during the implementation.

      You have to look at all the factors for comparison, not just bandwidth, if you want an accurate picture. Equating us with another country because we have similar bandwidth rates when said country has a significantly lower population density, more universal coverage, lower monthly costs for that bandwidth and spent pennies to our dollar in taxpayer money to set up the system is disingenuous.

    60. Re:When they control...... by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      I would say if you have any money to convert to Euros, you should do so. I have heard some comments that this is because the dollar is not based upon gold anymore. We'll the Euro isn't based upon anything other than faith. The dollar is really based upon oil as most oil payments are made this way. This is bad news for us. Also many other countries no longer have faith in the dollar and will be dumping it sooner rather than later. This has been happening since the dot com bubble and the lowering of interest rates to the point that no one in their right mind would want to put their savings in a bank CD.

      Therein lies one of the biggest disappointments in Obama for m,e as he has more or less continued the policy of the Bush administration in this area instead of fixing infrastructure, maybe not giving money to failures, and fixing things the way the people want, he has still been listening to the same people as Bush did.

    61. Re:When they control...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it also mentioned the holier-than-thou republican senators who are being outed left and right for their sexual affairs?

    62. Re:When they control...... by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      Maybe next time you should provide a link to your "fact" so it can be verified as such, since, at first glance, it appears to be just a statistic.

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    63. Re:When they control...... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      you can't use satellite (your house faces the wrong way, live in an apartment, etc.).

      Was M.C. Escher the architect for your house, per-chance? Every house I've ever seen happens to have 4 walls, each facing a different compass orientation. And you know, you don't really have to embed a satellite dish into your house. Once you bolt it to the building, you can aim it 360 degrees... You can do crazy stuff, like mounting it to the north side of your house, and aim it south, pointing over the roof!

      In my city, if you don't go Comcast for broadband, the only other option is AT&T DSL (which is limited to a measly 3 Mbps in this city).

      Oh horror of horrors! A mere 3Mbps!? Better to live in a cave!

      Where I live, I'm desperately trying to find ANY option for non-dial-up service. I'd almost be happy to pay $50/mo for 128k DSL. Dial-up is terribly expensive, due to maintaining both an ISP and a phone-line, and has the unfortunate drawback of not being always-on. Cellular starts at $60/mo., for a seriously limited speed, major lag, and worst of all, being down in a valley, I literally can't get a cell signal on my phone at all. Satellite internet service is the recommended alternative, which is the most expensive and unresponsive option of all.

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    64. Re:When they control...... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      If you have a dish antenna in the front of your house in Columbia, Maryland they can fine you and harrass you into moving. There are a lot of new areas where a no-condo assocoiation has more power than one would think.

      No. You need to file a complaint with the FCC. Federal regulations override everything else. If you take the HOA or anyone else to court, you'll EASILY win. The FCC has put the rules in black and white.

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    65. Re:When they control...... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      We'll see a short-term improvement, perhaps, but in the long term we're just building it up to be worse than it ever would have without government "stimulus", tarp, and other such foolishness.

      Yes, indeed. Does everyone remember "The Second Great Depression"? You know, the one that was larger than the first? How FDR's New Deal in the 1930's was such a failure, and as a result, the economy just got worse in the 40s and 50s? Sure you do! It happened, I tell you!

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    66. Re:When they control...... by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Why not? A few strands of single-mode fiber to the door, and you'll never have to run transport cable anywhere again.

    67. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Yes and you'll have to dig-up millions of miles of dirt to do it. Wtih DSL the cables are already laid - no need to dig anything up - so the rural upgrade to DSL could be done in less than a year.

      >>>you'll never have to run transport cable again

      I've heard that before. It isn't true. Technology advances so someday even fiber will seem slow.

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    68. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>Its not the cable companies that are stopping this, its the channel owners themselves.

      I know. The government needs to step-in and say, "You can still offer multi-channel packages, but you must also allow purchase of individual channels if that's what the cable company desires." A la carte needs to be applied at both the consumer level and the national level.

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    69. Re:When they control...... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      Yes thanks. My message about Comcast Network News and ComcastNBC was meant to be humorous, playing off the comment "The media company would control pretty much everything we see and hear (or, more importantly, DON'T see and hear)."

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    70. Re:When they control...... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1
      Yeha, I can't think of anything else that could have been a contributing factor there... One could also make a case that what we're encountering now is the continuation and culmination of what started then - because that era marks the start of steep increases in the national debt which have nevr been reversed.

      Though I daresay even FDR would drop dead of massive coronary (if he wasn't already dead) with the numbers that have been bandied about as part of this 'recovery plan'.

    71. Re:When they control...... by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Yeha, I can't think of anything else that could have been a contributing factor there...

      I see, so your economic policy is fewer public programs... MORE WAR!
      Great idea.

      And on that has been thoroughly discredited, again and again, BTW.

      that era marks the start of steep increases in the national debt which have nevr been reversed

      What kind of an idiot are you? The graphic at the very top of the page shows the national debt sharply declining as a percentage of GDP from the 50s on. It's nowhere near as large, today, as it was after WWII, reconstruction, and the start of the cold war.

      If you're stupidly fixated on the first graph, go ask your Granddad how much a candy bar cost when he was a kid. If you can't understand something as simple as inflation, you probably shouldn't open your mouth in public, lest you want to demonstrate what a moron you are.

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  4. False report (according to Comcast) by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Informative

    While the news came out, Comcast has since denied it is in a deal to purchase NBC Universal.

    Granted, this is Comcast who is most certainly looking for ways to expand its monopoly and further control what people watch, but for now, there is no deal for them to purchase NBC Universal.

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    1. Re:False report (according to Comcast) by will_die · · Score: 1

      The rumor that Comcast came out against is not that they are dealing but that a deal and are just finishing the last parts of it.
      The CNN report is just badly worded.

    2. Re:False report (according to Comcast) by game+kid · · Score: 1

      Comcast only said "While we do not normally comment on [mergers and acquisitions] rumors, the report that Comcast has a deal to purchase NBC Universal is inaccurate." The inaccuracy could've been in some details of the report, or whether such a deal would actually happen, but they didn't specify which (in that quote).

      PR guys love to reveal without revealing and lie without lying. A failure to do either leaves the company vulnerable.

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    3. Re:False report (according to Comcast) by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1

      Of course they denied it. If it got out that they were looking to buy NBC Universal, the stock price would rise thereby increasing the purchase price as speculators bought up stock in the hopes of a big payday when the buyout came around. That would be something they'd want to avoid.

    4. Re:False report (according to Comcast) by Basicx · · Score: 1

      "Comcast denied a report from industry website The Wrap that it had a deal to buy NBC Universal, but it declined to elaborate on any other talks it may be having with NBC Universal"

      It was stated in the linked article, but I do agree that this probably does not mean the end of Comcast's attempts at furthering their market dominance.

      Personally, I think they should be working on making their broadband internet more affordable and stable, than acquiring additional assets, but that may just be me.

    5. Re:False report (according to Comcast) by Comboman · · Score: 1

      Considering NBC Universal is a subsidiary of General Electric, one of the largest companies on the planet; my guess would be that the inaccuracy in the details of the report are that NBC is looking to buy Comcast rather than vise-versa.

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    6. Re:False report (according to Comcast) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't ever, ever, ever believe a word those idiots have to say about anything. These are the same assholes that swore up and down to the public that they weren't doing any kind of content filtering or blocking, only to be proven wrong later on. Their eventual response? "We weren't blocking in anything, we were practicing in reasonable network management."

      Seriously, don't believe anything Comcrap has to say about anything, ever. Lying assholes.

  5. Good news by rplst8 · · Score: 1

    Well that's just Comcastic!

  6. Cue Jack Dougnagy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean they've got _4 Million_ dollars laying around?

  7. More on media monopoly by MRe_nl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Critiques of media consolidation involve a number of issues and notions:
    That consolidation and globalization of media over the past decade have been massive.
    That media consolidation is served by government deregulation and subsidization of
    the airwaves.
    That media consolidation and globalization are viewed as predecessors of global
    capitalism.
    That the bottom line of corporate media is profit, not content.
    That media industries have become media oligopolies, that is, media conglomerates
    are not agents of a democratic citizenry, but of a business and state elite.
    That critiques of globalization and corporate power are marginalized.
    That media audiences are treated as consumers rather than citizens.
    That the traditional notion of media having a public interest obligation has
    disappeared.
    That democratically-based media outlets have expanded and while marginalized
    provide an alternative to corporate media messages.

    http://libr.org/amtf//bibliographies/bib.1.pdf

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  8. Comcast is evil by schwit1 · · Score: 1
    Imagine what your rates will be if they have control of more stations?

    Comcast is already playing hardball with DirecTV over Versus.

  9. Heh, rebranding... by Capsy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Syfy makes me think syphillis everytime I see it.

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  10. Great - I can see it now... by the+saltydog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When the deal is complete, Comcast will raise the rates to carry their newly acquired channels to DirecTV, to ridiculously insane levels, just like they did with the Versus channel... all in an effort to try putting DirecTV out of business. After the royal shafting they tried sticking those of us with their Internet service, but not their cable TV service* (which they referred to as "bundling", but which was, in reality, a "satellite tax"), I will never spend another cent with those greedy bastards. Fuck Comcast.**

    *I had AT&T Broadband, and when Comcast bought them out, they decided to modify their price structure to bring it in line with the rest of the country (their words). In doing so, my bill went from $32.95/mo., to $37.95, to $42.95, and then to $57.95/mo., in the span of less than 10 months. (No promotional rates were involved, either.) The last increase of FIFTEEN dollars a month was because I didn't have cable TV. Funny that I didn't have it at the beginning, and only paid $32.95 a month to AT&T, for the exact same level of speed and service. As far as I'm concerned, Comcast is even more evil and untrustworthy as Microsoft, which is really saying something. Stay classy, Comcast!

    **Come on already, Qwest - where's the FTTH that your commercials keep trying to pitch to me, but I STILL can't get, less than 5 miles from Downtown St. Paul?!?

    1. Re:Great - I can see it now... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>I had AT&T Broadband, and when Comcast bought them out,

      How is it legal for a single company to own BOTH the internet companies in your neighborhood (cable and dsl)? Sounds like a reason to file an antitrust lawsuit.

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    2. Re:Great - I can see it now... by pckl300 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As far as I'm concerned, Comcast is even more evil and untrustworthy as Microsoft, which is really saying something. Stay classy, Comcast!

      It figures your experience was horrible. In the American Customer Satisfaction Index, Comcast has received the lowest customer satisfaction rating of any organization in the US, including the IRS.

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    3. Re:Great - I can see it now... by u-235-sentinel · · Score: 1

      I know the feeling. To this day I won't go back to Concast. They are unethical at best IMO.

      At times I've teased my kids asking if they wanted faster internet and for that we'd need to go back to Concast. They all scream heck no!

      Concast screwed them over as well as me and my wife when they terminated our internet. Seems they were working on research papers for their science fairs at the time. Of course it didn't hurt to introduce them to the local library but the point is Concast needs to focus on fixing their screwed up customer service before they should branch out.

      They can't take care of what they already have!

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    4. Re:Great - I can see it now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comcast bought our local cable company a couple years ago. The local cable company was already fairly expensive, but they always had really good service whenever I had a problem. Since Comcast bought them, they have increased the rates a ridiculous amount over the span of about a year. My bill went from being $77 to over $110 -- for exactly the same service. When I called to cancel, they offered a much better rate (about $56), but I'm through with Comcast.

    5. Re:Great - I can see it now... by the+saltydog · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's incorrect - AT&T Broadband was via cable, and Comcast bought them out. Qwest (formerly US West) offers DSL in the area (Twin Cities, MN). That's what I have now... I ended up bitching about the "sat tax" to the consumer affairs reporter for KSTP-TV back then, and they interviewed me at my old workplace; the boss was cool with it, as long as I wore my work shirt with the logo prominently displayed... ;-) However, all it got me was another 6 months at the $42.95/mo. rate - after which I switched to DSL, never to look back.

    6. Re:Great - I can see it now... by spitzak · · Score: 2, Funny

      How is it legal for a single company to own BOTH the internet companies in your neighborhood (cable and dsl)? Sounds like a reason to file an antitrust lawsuit.

      OMG! Socialism! How dare you!

    7. Re:Great - I can see it now... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>Concast screwed them over as well as me and my wife when they terminated our internet

      What the hell? They just yanked your internet without any notice. Bastards. They did the same to me with TCM where I was taping the February Oscar movie marathon and Comcast pulled the channel in direction violation of the FCC rule that they must give two months notice. (Of course the FCC did nothing.) This is why I keep dialup access for backup in case the high-speed goes down.

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    8. Re:Great - I can see it now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FTTH is slowly coming to the area. I live in a suburb of St Paul and we just recently got FTTH. The trucks finished rolling it out a couple weeks ago and I think it's live now. Too bad I'm stuck in a contract with Comcast.

    9. Re:Great - I can see it now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would seem that way, but the many mergers occurring during that time caused some names to go through a game of musical chairs. At least where I lived at the time (South Florida) our cable provider was a company called MediaOne (they were the result of previous mergers around the time of analog cable TV). They rolled out the transition to digital cable which also allowed us to get broadband Internet access. After that, AT&T bought them and started using cable for their telephone service. At that time, the main Internet Services were AT&T Broadband and BellSouth FastAccess. When AT&T started to buy up the Baby Bells again, they had to sell their stake in the cable market. That's when Comcast took over AT&T Broadband, and AT&T took over BellSouth.

      apropos capcha: boggle. The corporate musical chairs game makes the mind boggle.

    10. Re:Great - I can see it now... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      I don't hate the idea of socialism. I just hate the results. I think we're better served by competing companies, and empowering the people with freedom of choice.

      SSI - runs out of money in 2016 (according to the CBO)
      Medicare - same
      Post Office - deep deep in debt
      Amtrak - deep deep in debt
      U.S. government - deep deep in debt; had to beg the rich Chinese for cash, or else collapse.

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    11. Re:Great - I can see it now... by spitzak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What I meant was making the government do anything is often dismissed as "socialism" even if in this case it is to force competition.

    12. Re:Great - I can see it now... by u-235-sentinel · · Score: 1

      they "claim" they called us a month before and told us to stop using it soo much. We thought it was a joke since we purchased "unlimited use for a flat monthly fee". So we called up their customer service and contacted them online as well.

      Both CSR's said it must have been a joke or something as they didn't know of any bandwidth limits with their internet service.

      so to this day we don't use Concast for anything. Dish is far cheaper than what we were paying for TV anyway and our internet is also cheaper. Our ISP is a local company with real people who know what the hell they are talking about when you call.

      Concast is a joke and I refuse to support their efforts to expand their monopoly. I also often write to the powers that be letting them know the laws are broken as this shouldn't be legal.

      The FCC and FTC are toothless. Look at this net neutrality stuff going on today. Basically you see them fighting companies like Concast to protect the people from their abusive monopolies.

      Very sad since we depend on the internet for so much these days and yet we can't depend on being free to use the service as we see fit (within the limits of the law of course).

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  11. Further comment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got a further comment...

    How about Comcast spend those billions of dollars in cash they they have collected from consumers to.. oh say... UPGRADE THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE!

    Build out their system to:
      - broadcast more HD cannels
      - decrease compression of channels so they are blue ray quality
      - SPEED UP MY NET CONNECTION
      - add technology so i can select what channels i pay for (i only want news, sports, and science channel, i dont want to pay for Bravo, or QVC, etc)
      - SPEED UP MY NET CONNECTION
      - etc, im sure you all have good ideas too

    Seriously, lets stop living in 2000. Why can't we have internet service (at least in dense metro areas) like Japan or South Korea at 100Mbps??

    1. Re:Further comment... by ElSupreme · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would simply happy with:
      - KEEPING my NET CONNECTION UP
      - KEEPING my NET CONNECTION AT AND ACCEPTABLE SPEED.

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    2. Re:Further comment... by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      "Why can't we have internet service (at least in dense metro areas) like Japan or South Korea at 100Mbps??" Because we're, in general, more spread out.

      Big cities should have 100Mbps, though. There's really no excuse.

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      Not a Twitter sockpuppet... but I wish I was.
    3. Re:Further comment... by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Funny
      Big cities should have 100Mbps, though. There's really no excuse.

      Big American cities, mostly built in the 30's and 40's, before cable, are built of brick and mortar.

      Big Japanese cities are built of ricepaper and bamboo.

      Have you compared how easy it is poking a cable through the wall in Japan to install 100Mbps vs. poking a cable through a brick? And don't EVEN compare how much easier WiMAX will pass through paper vs. steel-reinforced concrete.

      People who live in glass houses don't need sun porches. People who live in paper houses don't need drills.

  12. Lamest rebranding since BEFORE Spike by davidwr · · Score: 0

    (who might have the single lamest rebranding since well before Spike)

    There, fixed that for you.

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  13. Comcast has dening this rumer by ogiller · · Score: 1

    Typically Comcast does not comment on Mergers and Acquisition rumors. However, they have come out publicly and denied that there is a deal to acquire NBC. Comcast said, âoeWhile we do not normally comment on merger and acquisition rumors, the report that Comcast has a deal to acquire NBC Universal is inaccurate.â

    NBC has not made any comment.

    1. Re:Comcast has dening this rumer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What fucking language was your subject line written in? It sure as hell wasn't English!

    2. Re:Comcast has dening this rumer by ogiller · · Score: 1

      Don't be such a hater.

  14. Rebranding? by Blink+Tag · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Syfy has the single lamest rebranding since Spike?

    I think you're forgetting The Shack

    1. Re:Rebranding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Syfy has the single lamest rebranding since Spike?

      I think you're forgetting The Shack

      Well, we were all TRYING to forget it! Thank you so bloody much for reminding us!:P

    2. Re:Rebranding? by fhuglegads · · Score: 1

      Syfy has the single lamest rebranding since Spike?

      I think you're forgetting The Shack

      Spike at one point was The Nashville Network.. which was a metaphor for White Trash TV. Now as Spike it symbolizes "Low IQ, High Testosterone TV"
      Did anyone see Kimbo Slice on Spike last night?

  15. Comcast sucks....... by Watsonr8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Comcast sucks......... limited channels HD and standard, your bill is never what they say it will be my bill jumped from $69.99 a month to $150.00, and this week i order a new dv recorder box and they offered for a tech to come out and "install" the box for the small fee of $99. i had to laugh. Hate to see what they have in store for us with even more of a monopoly.....

    1. Re:Comcast sucks....... by roachdabug · · Score: 1

      Just yesterday I called to inquire about acquiring another HD cable box for a new TV in my home. They quoted me an approximate $5/mo. to lease the additional box. When I went to pick it up they told me the lease on the FIRST box is $5 and each additional is $15/mo. Then they told me I needed to have a technician come out and run a new cable because connecting to the same line that my cable modem is on wouldn't work.

      I explained to them that they weren't dealing with your average garden variety mindless idiot, and that I'd like to cancel my service. At that point they offered me the additional box at the $5/mo originally quoted, and knocked an additional $20/mo off my bill to keep me as a customer.

      I guess the moral of the story is that they love to prey on the stupid but are quick to change their tune when you call them out on it.

  16. What the hell is... by frogjimmy · · Score: 1

    this 'sif-fee' channel all about?

  17. I hope this means good things... by ronobot · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hope this means good things for my Sheinhardt Wig Company shares!

  18. In other news comcast also set to purchase... by maggotsforbreakfast · · Score: 3, Funny

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Telecom giant Comcast is buying privately held goatse.asia, a top web destination firm, for $3.1 billion in cash, the companies said Friday afternoon. Comcast is set to purchase goatse.asia from private equity firm Hellman & Friedman, which bought the website in 2005 for $1.1 billion in a deal that took the company private. For Comcast, the deal will likely help boost its presence in the area of Internet display advertising, ads on banners, videos and other non-text based types of ads. Goatse.asia specializes on placing and serving banners and other display ads on its prominent Web site. "Comcast is the 800-pound gorilla in online services. They were before this merger and they will be tomorrow so on one level this doesn't change anything," said Derek Brown, an analyst with Cantor Fitzgerald. "But at the same time, this deal clearly has the potential to ignite Comcast's efforts in the display ad market and down the road gives them the opportunity to create a platform that marries both their services and display ads in a way that it will be hard to fathom others imitating," Brown added.

    1. Re:In other news comcast also set to purchase... by sorak · · Score: 1

      When collapsed that reads as "In other news comcast also set to purchase...
      NEW YORK"

      If you thought your rent was high before, wait until Comcast is your landlord.

  19. Say good bye to Hulu by Glenstorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Fabulous, just when we have an alternative to the cable delivery system become viable. . . I am curious how much this plays into Comcast's desire for NBC. They see people making an end run around their monopoly and are implementing this plan to plug the gap.

  20. Another TechTV... by rwrife · · Score: 2, Funny

    **sarcasm** Don't see why not, they did such a good job with TechTV.

  21. Go back to dial-up? by tepples · · Score: 1

    but at the end of the day, no one has to sit there watching cable television. If Comcast is the big evil monopoly in your area, and you are anti-Comcast, then just don't watch cable*.

    Should people in Comcast areas who can't get DSL (for whatever reason) go back to dial-up?

    1. Re:Go back to dial-up? by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Yes they can go back to dialup." by donaggie03

      Okay that isn't fair but I suspect if he were here, and completely honest, that's exactly what he would say. He argues that Comcast is not a monopoly and people have other choices, but he forgets the alternative (50k dialup) is not really a valid choice. You can do a lot over dialup including bittorrent, but you can't watch hulu.com or nbc.com or other tv sites. ----- Also even in areas that have both cable and DSL, that's still just a duopoly... no better than our current political system.

      --
      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    2. Re:Go back to dial-up? by eleuthero · · Score: 1

      Given how much Comcast costs in my area, a good solution for me, if I didn't have decently price ATT uverse here, would be to use an iphone data plan (not limited to 5gb like the others) and use the sim card with a router. about 5 mbps on the new 3gs currently (slower than advertised, but really, what do you expect?). That is fast enough to stream from hulu et al.

  22. No ads? by Malc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So if the distributor owns the content creator, does that mean no ads? I grew up with paying the equivalent of $20/month for TV and getting no ads, so I found it highly irritating in N. America paying $40/month or more, and being bombarded with the most mindless of advertising.

    Dream on.

  23. Hulu by KuNgFo0 · · Score: 1

    I live in a state that Comcast doesn't service so I don't have to worry about them much. However I am a big fan of Hulu, which NBC owns a big stake of, right? Would anyone comment on Comcast's trend of business practices and what they might do with their share of Hulu?

  24. most annoying leno ever by 0110011001110101 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if nbc will be run anything like comcasts cable modem division, I assume I will get to watch about 10 minutes of jay lenos new show, then nbc will "go down", at which point I will call into nbc, ask them what the problem is, have them tell me they can see my tv just fine so the problem must be on my end. I'll restart my cable box, but no change. After another 20 minutes on the phone they will tell me more people in my area have reported an issue and that a technician is on the way to the main nbc studio. 45 minutes later nbc will start broadcasting again and the show will be over.

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    Don't anthropomorphize computers: they hate that.
  25. The Syphilis Channel by tepples · · Score: 1

    this 'sif-fee' channel all about?

    Sif-fee-liss.

  26. So this would be like AOL buying Time Warner? (I know it was the reverse). These kinds of odd combinations are the signs of executive minds run amock.

  27. comcast likely get fcc on them and lose CSN Philly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Syfy" is simply a lame attempt to justify having professional wrestling in their lineup.

    Isn't professional wrestling fantasy anyways?

    "Syfy" is simply a lame attempt to justify having professional wrestling in their lineup.

    Isn't professional wrestling fantasy anyways?

    comcast likely get fcc on them and lose CSN Philly from being cable only.

  28. Terrible idea, prepare for lock-ins... by Klinky · · Score: 1

    Recently Comcast's SportsNet took over my Portland Trail Blazers local NBA broadcasting, they've basically held the channel hostage and have failed to negotiate a deal with other providers to carry the channel. Most of the quibble is over cost. There are a ton of people who don't want to deal with Comcast or don't even have Comcast in their area who are blacked out. Communication & content companies need to remain separate. One should not control the other. Comcast should be split into Comcast Communications & Comcast Content if this is the road they want to head down.

  29. Re:comcast likely get fcc on them and lose CSN Phi by eleuthero · · Score: 1

    I think you are thinking ftc, since there is likely to be trouble merging companies that large with that much market share unless they burn certain parts of their network

  30. The big picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone stepped back and looked at the situation and asked: how the f. does a copper wire utility company grow to be so rich in so little time? Everyone knows it's a monopoly with too much influence over the govt. and regulations. But crap- it has gotten so out of hand! A good friend of mine thinks all utility wires, pipes, etc., should be publicly owned- non profit, and I agree. Think of all the good that money could do back in our hands. I'm proud to say I have not directly contributed $0.01 to Comcast's riches.

  31. The best answer is clear by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    How do you split up a cable line or fibre lines between multiple providers? The best way is to have a shared network where it is split fairly between the providers using the line. The maintainer is payed by the providers using it. This is already done with DSL, cable is not required to do so. Problem is, the DSL owner gets an unfair edge and bandwidth over the other providers despite being required to allow others to use it (and still pay them a use fee.)

    The solution should be obvious:
    A single maintainer handles the lines and spits them at a lower level (frames, packets, or physical bandwidth) and providers then pay a use fee and can all compete evenly with nobody owning the maintainer.

    Now some might think a private corp would be good for this-- even though it would still be a monopoly and could abuse the providers using it (who'd get more say than individuals due to our partially broken political system.) I would say the GOVERNMENT should run the monopoly and be accountable to the people. It would lower costs and could run at a loss (investment in local infrastructure to attract business.) This is conceptually the SAME as the roads, water, and sewage in most the USA already. The public right-of-way is what allows interconnections such as roads. Sure we could allow multiple cable wires, power wires, etc cluttering up our public lands but ultimately, that would result in MORE COST to consumers who'd have to pay for all the redundancy. So we grant monopolies and rarely allow multiple grids to be constructed. I've seen too often how government / private monopoly partnerships work; that is to say, they do not work well at all!

    I'm NOT saying government run internet (even though they have monitored it already-- being private doesn't help prevent anything.) Government merely becomes the FAIR middle man for others to use the infrastructure, just like the highway system. It would be far better than the DSL owners today who screw the 3rd party providers or cable which has no alternative providers.

    Yes, this reasoning can extended into health insurance; but your possible opposition to that sanity doesn't mean you have to attack the whole concept (and by extension water, sewer, power, roads, police, fire, air, etc -- which some fanatics DO already.)

    Oh, if your roads, water, sewer suck-- that is YOUR FAULT because you are in charge of it. Stop blaming government like you are not part of it. (assuming you have a democracy-- if your democracy is flawed or a farse, then that is your fault instead.)

    1. Re:The best answer is clear by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      (1) You can't multitask a cable TV line because it's already full. From 10 megahertz upto 2000+ megahertz, it's filled by TV, radio, and internet service. So there's just room for ONE company - you can't multiplex the cable with others.

      (2) Therefore the best solution IMHO is to just revoke Comcast's monopoly, and open the market for Cox, Time-Warner, and other companies to lay their own cable through the pipes underneath suburbs. Yes that's duplication but so what? Cables are cheap and take-up little room. Then the home-owner can simply decide which cable he wants to tap - Comcast's cable, Cox's cable, TW's cable, or XYZ's cable. That empowerment of the consumer makes it worthwhile.
      .

      >>>Government merely becomes the FAIR middle man for others to use the infrastructure, just like the highway system

      You mean with those collapsing bridges and bumpy roads?
      Your example was chosen poorly. I am not persuaded.

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      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
  32. In the end. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    "There can be only one"

    But in this case, no sword battles and cool lighting effects will be involved.

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  33. You think like a ReThuglican Jew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think like a ReThuglican Jew

    1. Re:You think like a ReThuglican Jew by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and I'm so far off-base right? Let's also not forget that unemployment numbers only measure the people currently receiving unemployment benefits, which is a subset of the total unemployed.

  34. A Toxic Mix! by EricTheO · · Score: 1

    Media consolidation is a bad idea. It delutes variety and competition. There are already two very large multi-media monopolies, Clearchannel and NewsCorp, that have shown how bad the market can become when Government is lobbied to change laws allowing these precedents. Content and distribution should be seperate.

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    -Eric
  35. Oh Yes you can! by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Cables for a CITY are NOT cheap. The big problem is LABOR and upkeep. BTW, they are on the phone posts not underground (the cost for underground now would be nuts.) Many people complain about the wires we have already. It takes many switching / hub stations to run these networks; they are not cheap or small.

    DSL shares the line to other ISPs already. Its not impossible.

    TV and radio will go digital; in my area there is talk of putting it inside a IP packet just so they can try to loophole around the local gov "tax" (they use the public's land for their wires, so they pay rent but the contract is vague in wording and might not cover "internet".) TV is now digital and the huge amount of old TV bandwidth is being wasted. anyhow:

    Cable is DEAD. DSL is dead. Both corps are fibre now and the phone corp is now getting to the last mile and replacing that copper too (only 4 miles away from my house now! I can't wait!) Comcast by now has all hubs (over here) copper free and will go the last mile after the phone company starts to hurt them with higher speeds. The old last mile is slowly fading out.

    Nothing prevents placing a low level of the network under government control; allowing IP packets to be split between ISPs on the network. Or having the switching stations decide which ISP to connect you to. The biggest cost is the last mile, so the gov could handle just the last mile.

    I was involved in the local cable commission so I actually know what I'm talking about.

    ---

    Bridges:
    Hey! I often drove down that bridge that fell! The public was cheap on funding roads until just that year WE voted to mandate funds for roads actually goto roads. FYI: The bridge was under construction at the time it fell. It also was a FEDERAL bridge so it wasn't entirely the states responsibility. That having been said, the public hasn't wanted proper upkeep and we get what we deserved (I actually was complaining years beforehand it would take a disaster before we'd fix the bridges.)

    Roads are EXPENSIVE especially when you have snow and allow too much weight trucked down it. We built too many fancy roads for what we are willing to maintain. Why? because of property value; upkeep is not sexy.

    That having been said, our highway system and roads are some of the best in the world for a nation this spacious.
    I said FAIR middle man; not perfect. DSL corps are not fair to those who share their lines. Duopolies are not great competition either.

    At least my mayor could get fired for screwing something up instead of a failure bonus or pay raise...
    Government is not some corp like Enron to hate-- government is WE THE PEOPLE.