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Warez Moving From BitTorrent to Conventional Hosting Services

ericatcw writes "Driven by increased crackdowns on BitTorrent sites such as The Pirate Bay, software pirates are fast moving their warez to file-hosting Web sites like RapidShare, reports Computerworld. According to anti-piracy vendor V.I. Labs, 100% of the warez in its survey were available on RapidShare, which, according to Alexa, is already one of the 20 largest sites in the world. V.I. Labs' CEO predicts file-hosting sites such as RapidShare will supplant BitTorrent, as the former appear better protected legally."

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  1. captain obvious by MoFoQ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this one needs a "no sh*t sherlock" tag...

    obviously, when u stamp out one source....and not the demand, a new source will come to existence to fill in that demand.

    Rapidshare, Megaupload, netload, etc. have been around for a while and do have legitimate uses (some times, trying to send to a 20MB PDF or Illustrator (.ai) advertising file can wreak havoc on email, especially with some of the free email ones or if your client is a small business).

    Some opensource apps also use the services to host mirrors to their downloads to lighten the load on their own servers.

    1. Re:captain obvious by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, moving to paid services is one of those short-sighted, brain-dead lemming moves the general public gets involved in periodically. This is simply so because most such sites need actual payment to download (unless you want to download 1 file per 24 hours at something like 10k/s in the "free", "oh how much faster it would go if you only gave us your Credit Card number", "trial" mode - and never you mind horrid java-script hells of a "web page" all of these "services" feature).

      The end result is that there is a complete trail of uploaders, their IP Addresses, their emails, but what's even better, there is a complete trail of all downloaders, including their IP Addresses, emails, user ids and, the Holy Grail of RIAA, MPAA and BSA snooping campaigns: actual financial transactions of these donwloaders which immediately yield their identities and bonus preculde any possible defense of "sharing between friends" as there is actual money changing hands.

      In short: stupidity squared on the part of any people who use RapidShare, MegaUpload and a bunch of similar scams, people who have no clue about the implications of their actions and were, due to their ignorance of technology driven into arms of these scams by the PR campaigns against P2P, people who got brainwashed into believing that the direct-download sites are "safer". All it will take is one of them getting sued and happily forking over all the logs and financial records. Than again, odds are that some of them are already controlled by MPAA etc as a result of some behind-the-scenes settlements.

      No such thing was possible with BitTorrent as a vast majority of tracker sites are anonymous. The snobs participating in "private trackers" had more elevated levels of exposure because of their "registration" process offered additional levels of forensic evidence. In fact most P2P systems offer as the only point of identification the IP Address, which does not immediately translate into a personal identification (unlike your MasterCard with which you paid RapidShare) due to dynapmic IP assignments, possible WiFi holes, access by other people to your computer and what not.

      In short, it will take only a series of mega-busts of MegaUpload users, followed by rapid (due to excellent and undeniable forensic evidence) convictions, until the lemmings will run back to more anonymous and thus more sane methods of file-sharing.

    2. Re:captain obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You talk about Bit torrent use like it's in the past, however it's very much a live and kicking.

    3. Re:captain obvious by MoFoQ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      never heard of jdownloader?

      it doesn't have to use a "paid/premium" account to access those files and it automates a lot of the tedious aspects of the free versions of the services.
      plus there are services out there meant for uploading to those file hosting services, anonymously and automatically, as well as payment services from various countries that don't share the bed with the lobbyists like the US/UK/France that handle the payment services as well as proxy services...

      yes...I can go on and on.
      It's a cat-and-mouse game, where the mouse usually is more savy and has a head-start.

    4. Re:captain obvious by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In fact most P2P systems offer as the only point of identification the IP Address, which does not immediately translate into a personal identification

      Apparently you've not been following the RIAA lawsuit mill. According to them (and the majority of courts which have bought into it) an IP address is unquestionable proof of identity. The fact that it's not doesn't matter if you've been screwed into the ground by a frivolous lawsuit.

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    5. Re:captain obvious by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dude, you do not seem to understand. Prepaid cards are a money laundering loophole, far more serious to the powers-that-be than some nerds downloading pilfered porn off of RapidShare. You are thinking: "merry mouse-and-cat chases with the RIAA", they are thinking: "Osama Bin Laden agents paying for communications and bomb components". It doesn't take a genius to figure out what is going to happen in this case.

    6. Re:captain obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are aware that it's not actually illegal to download warez, right?

    7. Re:captain obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stop calling these sites a scam. Bandwidth is not free (nor cheap) and the amount of gigabytes transferred on these sites daily is huge. They don't limit download speed for free users to be mean, or force you to pay for the service; there are physical limits to these things, and that translates into free users getting the blunt end of the stick. These sites provide a legitimate service, whether you think it is worth it or not is up to you, obviously a lot of people seem to think the service is worth it. There is no way they could afford the amount of bandwidth they use with ads alone.

      I am happy to pay 10 dollars every once in a while (I tend not to keep up my subscription, but there are some months with a lot of stuff coming out that I pay) for really good speeds downloading mirrors of demos or installers etc. A lot of people have files that they simply cannot afford to host anywhere, and the amount of not annoying download services that are free are pretty slim.

    8. Re:captain obvious by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not it's not, it's DYING!

      <whisper>(shut up!)</whisper>

    9. Re:captain obvious by HungryHobo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      since when has downloading been illegal?
      If I listen to pirate radio am I breaking the law?
      If my local newspaper isn't paying the fees for using the strips in it's comic section am I liable?
      If I click on a youtube video and the uploader doesn't own the rights to distribute it in what way have I violated copyright law?
      If sky movies hasn't paid it's bills can the rights holders come after me?

      I pay a subscription, it's the uploaders/hosting companies responsibility to make sure they have the right to distribute the material. I have no control of how they spend the money I pay any more than I can control how sky movies does spends the money I give them.

      Please. Explain it to me.

  2. xIAA loses by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    with things moving away from p2p and back to the client-server model, the number of people open to lawsuits drops dramatically. downloaders are no longer forced to upload, so they're no longer "making available", the the most they can be realistically charged with is making one copy.

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    1. Re:xIAA loses by jez9999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Erm, but the whole weakness of the client-server model is that there's a single point of failure - the server. Napster got taken down easily. I don't care if these sites are hosting other fiels amongst illegal torrents, you better believe the MAFIAA will sue the fuck out of Rapidshare and/or they'll just remove these torrents as much as they can.

  3. That's not new by jeffasselin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A lot of warez stuff has been hosted on such services for a while now, it's only more noticeable because other services are being used less.

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  4. The future of piracy... by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They'll continue to make more and more draconian laws. In twenty years, they'll be threatening people with fifty years in the electric chair with a gerbil up their arse, and it will have done nothing to solve the problem. And between websites, new protocols, new control methods, demands to the ISPs, and all of that, the community will survive on shifting sands, always staying one step ahead of their pursuers because it takes time to legislate and administrate a response to what is inherently a social movement without any defined leaders or organizational structure. They cannot beat the economics of the situation, no matter how much technology or social control, or legal action they take: Which is that the cost of reproduction is effectively zero.

    They will do everything they can to make distribution as expensive as possible, enforcing ludicrous bandwidth caps and trying to control the internet as much as they can. Eventually, it'll reach a critical point where the cost of forming a new decentralized network will become cheaper than continuing to use the old methods of communication, and the community will give birth to the successor to the internet. It's something of an irony that the internet was created on the ideas of free information exchange and ensuring that an open line of communication would always be possible between its participants turning into a profit-orientated tool by greedy corporations. But while they may someday succeed in control of the network, they will have done nothing to attack the ideals upon which it was originally built, and so long as those ideals live, it will continue to rematerialize like the goddamned phoenix, generation after generation, even as society claims to have no use for it.

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    1. Re:The future of piracy... by DentInYourHead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know, I'm fine with this future. A return to live experiences may be best.

    2. Re:The future of piracy... by rohan972 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      User generated content? All crap, all the time. No, that isn't going to be the future of entertainment.

      It won't be the whole future but it's here to stay whether you like it or not. User generated content is being used as the entire basis for mainstream media content sometimes now, such as in this news story about the "wedding dance video". You are way off base if you think this type of content isn't going to have a place in mainstream entertainment.

      What most people don't understand is we've grown an entire generation that believes it all should be free and will never, ever pay.

      Like with free to air TV and radio? Free content is hardly a new thing, for many people a significant portion of their entertainment has been free (ad supported) content for decades.

      The idea that people aren't willing to pay is a lie anyway and everyone who promotes the idea knows it. iTunes proved that. If you provide the product or service people want they will pay for it. Make paid for DRM free downloads available at the right price and most people won't bother with "pirate" sites with even minimal risk of getting caught. Just having predictable quality movie and music files will win people over on convenience over illegal downloads.

  5. This makes perfect sense by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2, Insightful
    RapidShare will supplant BitTorrent, as the former appear better protected legally.

    RS et al is more than happy to take down anything determined to be a violation of copyright. PirateBay et al stood up and said "fuck off". This doesn't jive with the workflow IP capital demands under the DMCA. Yes, the DMCA is a parochial piece of shit that is only enforceable in the states, but given the size and power of the USA system and its networks, it only makes sense to appease the DMCA as it is the more restrictive of the nationalist bullshit rules re: IP copyright.

    RS, mediafire, and others will take down stuff when someone complains. Hence, by "killing its own" it becomes much more resilient, as one gets the whack-a-mole effect, but with this major structural difference: with pirate Bay / napster etc. when the system is brought down, resurrecting or building a new network is very time consuming and difficult. with the RS/megaupload/mediafire/etc. model, they own they field on which whack-a-mole is played. So by letting the rights holders chase the pirates, RS et al get to profit on the churn.

    The next thing will be blogs dedicated to software with links to DLs of the stuff in RS et al, similar to music blogs now, and then a master system to search it all, similar to chewbone.

    RS

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  6. Newsgroups by Frogbert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To preempt any discussion about newsgroups please read the following before posting:

    Do not talk about fucking newsgroups, we have a good thing going here, don't fuck it up.

    1. Re:Newsgroups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're kidding right? The FBI, BSA, RIAA, and anyone else who cares about copyright infringement has known about binaries on Usenet for at least a decade.

      It's the low volume of users that prevents lawsuits.

    2. Re:Newsgroups by RoboRay · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "It's the low volume of users that prevents lawsuits."

      Actually, I'm pretty sure it's the inability to monitor downloads and the ease of forging headers for the uploaders.

  7. Re:Usenet anyone? by mister_playboy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Usenet is not particularly useful unless you spend money. File hosting services are generally quite usable for free (granted, I don't have a big download pipe, so I can still max it out with the free options.) Bittorrent is 100% usable without spending money.

    I understand the arguments in favor of Usenet, but the truth is the competing services are way better when your main goal is to spend no money at all.

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  8. Re:List of warez ftp sites... regularly updated by ultimad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Also, simple PC's with Wind0wz are also totally off the limits. Go to your shell account and use a real operating systems. L4m3rs without multitasking can't get in.

    That gave me today's dose of laugh! Considering 90% of warez are applications and games designed for Windows, it's amusing that users with that OS are not allowed!

  9. Sucks to be American sometimes by Langfat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    sorry to be rude, but not all countries adhere to the crazy copyright laws that the USA does. according to my interpretation of current Canadian law (which could very well be incorrect) the levies i pay on blank media go to the riaa/mpaa/canadian equivalents and i am allowed to download as much as i want. this doesn't mean i'm allowed to distribute as much as i want, but with a centralized server which is download only, that's not the problem that it would be with bittorrent, in which you're required to both send and receive.

    not too mention that rapidshare et. al have an air of legitimacy, as they take down any files which are reported to contain content they aren't legally allowed to distribute. of course, "they don't have the resources to check every single file that is uploaded to their servers," only the ones that are reported. And the only reason rapidshare does that is because they are a German-owned company (if i recall correctly). some countries, like Colombia and Egypt don't adhere to any copyright law. presumably a company owned and operated in a place like that would be virtually immune to any information requests from the MAFIAA and their ilk.

    it surprises me, given the invention and popularity of the internet, how many americans still struggle to think globally, and still assume that the rest of the world on their terms. this is not intended to be a troll or flamebait or personal insult, it's merely my own stated opinion.

    1. Re:Sucks to be American sometimes by Artemis3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually the law is not like that in US, thats why its crazy. If ONLY the author were the copyright holder and the only one with those rights, it would made some sense. However, the US system allows "transfer of ownership", thats the death trap. The original US copyrights lasted 14 years, and were meant to put a stop to perpetual rights of printer guilds in UK. Today, these "printer guilds" (corporations) have restored their hereditary powers. For this reason, if you are not going to fix it, we are going to ignore it, or even better, legalize non-profit sharing and put an end to the abuse.

      You keep your US only Hulu and your DRMed iTunes, i keep my worldwide p2p file sharing sites and my anonymous p2p networks. If artists want money, they better start touring or taking direct donations, i don't believe in third parties "owning" content and exploiting said artists beyond their lives. Or the corporate state imposing their rule to the world.

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    2. Re:Sucks to be American sometimes by jim_v2000 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Are you kidding me? Most of the stuff being "shared" on p2p networks IS NOT 14 years old...it's movies, music, and software that just came out. If it was about some ideal of what copyright law *should* be, you and people like you would still be respecting copyright within the timeframe that you think it should be. But you don't, and it's hilarious to see you try to justify it as something noble when it's really slightly less than theft.

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  10. Re:Can we stop calling it "piracy" already? by brit74 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Piracy" is a clever term coined by the music and file industry to associate file copying directly with stealing.

    You may be interested to know that "piracy" is also a term used by the cable and satellite-TV companies to refer to using their signal without paying them. Do you really think companies are going to spend $50 million or $100 million dollars putting satellites up into the sky if the whole world says, "I don't have to pay you; but I get all the channels for free"?

    Existing information is replicated or copied nothing more and nothing less.

    And if everyone treats cable piracy (or music piracy, or software piracy) as a non-crime, then why shouldn't everyone do it? The ultimate end-point of "companies provide a service + you won't pay them for it" is "you don't get the service anymore".

    That may not be legal by current law, and there might be an "opportunity loss" for the content owner, but that is not "piracy" nor is it "stealing".

    It's as much stealing as not paying your doctor or your plumber for work performed. Sure, you can claim "I didn't take anything physical from you, therefore, you aren't actually losing anything when I don't pay you", but work needs to be done, you want the benefits of that work, but you balk at paying for it. Piracy creates an unsustainable situation which results in people not getting paid for their work, even though you want the benefits of that work. How long do you think people are going to "volunteer" their time and effort just so you can benefit without giving anything back?

  11. Tough noogie by poptones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We can only accept so much "protection" before we delve into "revolution" once the people realize they are being "protected" right out of their ability to participate in society. Gift cards might be a "loophole" for them mean and evil "terrists" but the fact is those folks are gonna get money no matter what - but without the ability for POOR PEOPLE who have zero credit and no bank accounts to participate in society the folks on Pennsylvania Ave would end up with way more to worry about than a handful of radical nutcases.

    We have become a culture of plastic money. Financially deprived people need access to that plastic as well.

  12. Its Computerworld... (nuf said) by warncke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now, who should be surprised that they don't exactly have their finger on the pulse of the "warez" scene?

    More likely than not, VI Labs slipped them a little cash to run this story so that they can pimp some new b.s. product designed to "fight piracy" on direct download sites.

    As others have pointed out, this is just about data being copied. Data is going to be copied using whatever means are available, depending on the tastes and technical abilities of the users doing the copying. Since installing a single standalone helper app still exceeds the technical capabilities of a large segment of the user population, there is always going to be some market for direct downloads, but that is a long way from saying that direct downloads will replace BT.

    What is more important than where users happen to be copying data, is where data is initially being distributed. BT has now become a major network for initial distribution, at least for movies, tv, and music, which has nothing to do with the technology but with the people who are using the network.

    As long as new content is being distributed on BT, it will be the preeminent P2P network. FTP networks are still major sources of original content, and as long as they are, they will continue to be a major factor in file sharing.

    Direct download sites are still very much downstream, because they are only copying data from FTP or BT. They are also unlikely to attract people who distribute original content for a variety of reasons, including their commercial nature, lack of security, availability of superior technological alternatives, etc.

    If RS captures a large segment of the "sucker" market by reselling what other people give away for free, good for them, but that doesn't mean they are going to replace the people who actually distribute the content in the first place.