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Wikipedia In Your Pocket, $99

An anonymous reader notes the announcement by Sean Moss-Pultz (Openmoko, Inc.) of a new geek device: The $99 WikiReader. All of Wikipedia in your pocket with no Internet connection required. Works in bright sunlight. 3-button interface. You can update the information in the WikiReader either by mail (they ship a microSD card) or by downloading a 4+ GB file.

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  1. Hitch Hiker's Guide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally we have a hitch hiker's guide to Earth!

    1. Re:Hitch Hiker's Guide by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

      Finally we have a hitch hiker's guide to Earth!

      WTF are you talking about? Everything important to say about Earth can be summed up in two words.

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    2. Re:Hitch Hiker's Guide by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Funny

      Everything important to say about Earth can be summed up in two words.

      Is 'manbearpig' three words, one word or two halves of a word? ;)

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    3. Re:Hitch Hiker's Guide by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      101010. Light side (something) and dark side (nothing). Three of each, like the sides of a triangle. Like two triforces, one good and one evil, balancing each other, Yin and Yang.

      The Universe is at peace with itself.

    4. Re:Hitch Hiker's Guide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Finally we have a hitch hiker's guide to Earth!

      Oddly enough the local version says "Panic!" in big frightening letters on the cover.

    5. Re:Hitch Hiker's Guide by Thinboy00 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, don't use threes, use fours!

      (Note to kooks and overzealous mods: Yes, this post is in fact a joke.)

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    6. Re:Hitch Hiker's Guide by quantumphaze · · Score: 2, Funny

      But if it doesn't have three corners it wouldn't be my hat

  2. Solution looking for a problem by pv2b · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With ubiquitous cellular broadband practically everywhere (that matters) and phones with good web browsers in them, this is a solution looking for a problem.

    1. Re:Solution looking for a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Three points to consider:

      - It's openmoko based, so it's extremely hackable.
      - It uses standard AAA batteries. I can't overstate how important this is to me.
      - No contract, hard copy of reference information, safe to give to a kid.

      This seems like a good gift solution for

      a. hackers
      b. travelers
      c. parents

    2. Re:Solution looking for a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      it strikes me as a good solution for people who don't (and don't want to) pay $150/mo in phone plan charges.

      or for people for whom battery life is a concern.

    3. Re:Solution looking for a problem by Doctor+Faustus · · Score: 4, Informative

      We don't all want to pay for data plans.

    4. Re:Solution looking for a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well it found a problem. Specifically, my problem.

      I was reflecting on how I would like to throw some money their way, but don't really want to donate and don't really need CD's.

      I don't have a dataplan on my phone and don't want one.

      This device is perfect. I will own one.

    5. Re:Solution looking for a problem by FlyingBishop · · Score: 5, Insightful

      yeah, there's no use for an encyclopedia with detailed information on all edible plants out in the middle of nowhere where there's no cell access.

      and you couldn't possibly find yourself in a situation where you need information but can't access your wireless, despite being in a 'covered' area, cell phone coverage is, practically, perfect.

      Oh, also, power outages. Infrastructure is all well and good, but having all the knowledge you need about the world around you at your fingertips regardless of the state of the outside world is great.

      I'd say the places that matter the most are precisely the places that don't have cell access.

    6. Re:Solution looking for a problem by graphicsguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      yeah, there's no use for an encyclopedia with detailed information on all edible plants out in the middle of nowhere where there's no cell access.

      Might not be as useful without pictures, though.

    7. Re:Solution looking for a problem by Karlt1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      it strikes me as a good solution for people who don't (and don't want to) pay $150/mo in phone plan charges.

      http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/

      http://collison.ie/wikipedia-iphone/

    8. Re:Solution looking for a problem by xaxa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No contract, hard copy of reference information, safe to give to a kid.

      I'm actually wondering about this part. Their website seems to be clearly positioning it at children, and yet Wikipedia is quite deliberately not censored for children. I smell a lawsuit there once some 7yro Johnny, driven by curiosity, starts with anime, and ends up diving into the depth of interlinked mesh of articles on yuri and lolicon...

      Read the site, rather than just looking at the pictures ;-)

      For Parents: WikiReader offers an easy way to protect your child from adult-oriented content.

      <flamebait>I wonder if there's "American mode" (hiding all the articles about sex) and "European mode" (hiding all the articles about guns).</flamebait>

    9. Re:Solution looking for a problem by mmontour · · Score: 4, Informative

      Three points to consider:
      - It's openmoko based, so it's extremely hackable.

      [citation needed]

      It's produced by some of the Openmoko people but it's a very different software stack that shares little (if any) code with their phones. It doesn't run Linux.

      Source code is available (seems to be at http://code.google.com/p/wikipediardware/) so there is some potential for hacking and community development, but so far I haven't thought of any interesting applications except for an e-book reader. It doesn't have any of the interesting peripherals that come with the Freerunner (WiFi, GPS, accelerometer, USB, etc).

      I do appreciate the AAA batteries and the sunlight-readable screen. Those are the reason that I'm still using my Palm III to read science-fiction magazines.

    10. Re:Solution looking for a problem by Ragzouken · · Score: 2

      Every hemlock plant article I found on wikipedia describes them as poisonous in the introduction.

    11. Re:Solution looking for a problem by Shikaku · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or Chinese mode where everything about China is censored to be bad but it's good.

      Wait what?

    12. Re:Solution looking for a problem by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd love to know what that 'easy' way is. Have they gone through all of en.wp's 3,060,827 articles (as of today) and flagged those appropriate? Or just the main ones? Have they got vore? Yiffing? Frottage? Yaoi? Teabagging? Dirty Sanchez? Have they got the Virgin Killers album? All of these, and thousands more are probably candidates for 'parental control' - I'd love to know how they think they've got them all, as opposed to just the most common.

    13. Re:Solution looking for a problem by prozaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      if you are in a life and death situation, i think trusting in something other than your own knowledge is "something" at least.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choking

    14. Re:Solution looking for a problem by smoker2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which language is it presented in again ? Oh, English. Where is it sold ? Oh, the US and Canada. While it's not a useless device, it's hardly a godsend to the native tribes of equatorial New Guinea. Most people who buy it will be geeks with money to burn on gadgets, who coincidentally live in cities and towns with cell phone access. The inaccuracy of some of the entries and overall complexity of most the entries makes it useless for simple and fast access to useful knowledge. The entry on the internal combustion engine does a good job of telling you about its history and basic principles, but doesn't tell you the plug gap for a 98 Ford. Which are you more likely to need to know as you go about your daily business ? A useful fact or a treatise on the history of engines in general ? Now if they made it so that you could add data to the dbase as you go along through life, then upload that data periodically for possible inclusion in the main site, I think you would get better and more in depth and useful data overall.

    15. Re:Solution looking for a problem by Zeussy · · Score: 2, Funny

      This seems like a good gift solution for

      a. hackers
      b. travelers
      c. parents

      d. Trivia Night husslers

    16. Re:Solution looking for a problem by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wikipedia vs Choosing Randomly.

      hmmmmm

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    17. Re:Solution looking for a problem by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      http://www.thewikireader.com/media/pictures/wr_hand1_small.jpg

      Oh, that's funny. I see something on that page that doesn't look anything like a latin character set.

      The databases are the same, I don't see why this wouldn't be able to read a non-english wikipedia dump.

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  3. Sophists Dream by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great! Now I can regale and browbeat others with authoritative sounding misinformation wherever I go. Cafe discourses and dinner discussions will never be the same again!

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  4. I've got wikipedia reader in my pocket by tylersoze · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's called an iPhone. :)

    1. Re:I've got wikipedia reader in my pocket by sowth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How much did your iphone cost? Does it run on batteries you can buy anywhere for cheap? According to the website this device runs on AAAs.

      This sounds like a great little cheap device. If I can make and load my own articles (the site said something about updating with a flash card), then it could be useful for me. If this is programmable (open source mentioned) and has a touch screen like it appeared (video had someone typing search in a touch-screen keyboard), then it could have all sorts of uses. If you are rich enough to buy an iPhone, then obviously this device is not for you.

  5. citation please by jDeepbeep · · Score: 4, Funny

    [citation required]

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    1. Re:citation please by Rockoon · · Score: 2, Funny

      [citation mostly harmless]

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    2. Re:citation please by Tacvek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is just as good a place as any to ask about the support of templates in this device. Important components of some articles are generate by templates. One example is the infamous [citation needed] text, which is generated by the "{{cn}}" template. Other times, important words in a sentence are used as a argument for a template, to produce some from of link automatically.

      Some other mobile Wikipedia solutions, such as one I saw for the iPhone, just ignore templates. That means that important words in a sentence could potentially be omitted. In some cases, entire sections of an article may be omitted. I consider that extremely problematic.

      Assuming they are properly supported, are references supported? In few articles I've seen the feature used for general footnotes in addition to references, and having those disappear could be problematic.

      What about the LaTeX math equations? A lot of mathematical and Computer Science articles become completely worthless if those are omitted, but including them means included quite a few generated images for some of the more complex ones that cannot be rendered as html.

      And what about the ez-timeline extention. Are the images that it generates included?

      What about the hieroglyphics that articles may include by way of the wikihiro extention?

      I would not be willing to use a static mobile Wikipedia that did not support templates, references, tables, external links, LaTeX equations.

      Other people might insist that the categories pages be included, and that time lines and hieroglyphics be supported.

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  6. So this is ... by CannonballHead · · Score: 3, Interesting

    An encyclopedia in the form of an e-book for $99. Sorry if I'm not too excited...

    1. Re:So this is ... by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was using it very loosely... as in a non-paper book. :)

      IMO, not only is the hardware somewhat lacking, I'm not sure I even want a wikipedia reference. Why not something somewhat authoritative? Wikipedia is alright and all, but there are definite issues with it once you get outside of certain to pics. Not that other encyclopedia's are perfect, but at least they have trained/educated editors and researchers that are presumably paid to be good at it.

      When I wrote research papers in college, it seems to me that peer-reviewed (not just some guy saying they reviewed it) papers were the only accepted sources for a research paper. Original research was ok (as opposed to WP's position on it) but had to be extremely well documented. Of course, this was a music history research paper, so...

    2. Re:So this is ... by oh2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is a lot of research about wikipedia and its veracity going on. You can look at Episteme for instance that did a themed issue about the social web where Wikipedia figures prominently. I have also read research papers where they establish that the information in Wikipedia generally is as good as or better than encyclopedica brittannica. Dont knock the wikis.

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    3. Re:So this is ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To chime in with oh2's point, you dont use Wikipedia as a source, but instead as a summary and reference to sources supporting the summary. Dont trust anything not sited, and check the sited sources.

      If you use this for your term paper / research / etc, the information shouldnt be sited to Wikipedia (which can change) but instead to the original source.

  7. Which Search Software Does This Employ? by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Love the idea but I'm a little cautious of Wikipedia's search engine. Not sure if they're rendering the php the same way and using MediaWiki's built in search engine but I have problems with that if they are. For instance if I search for hottest pepper the answer is the seventh result. On Google, it's the second result but also found in the first (being on the page for Scoville scale on Wikipedia).

    The time this would be really useful to me is when I get into arguments at bars or restaurants with friends. I'm a bit concerned about how well the search part of this device will work for that, I'd probably need to rethink a lot of my searches to start at an obvious Wikipedia page and then lead me to my answer.

    Probably wonderful for just reading through Wikipedia on a bus or plane though, too bad it doesn't seem to have the images, videos or audio.

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    1. Re:Which Search Software Does This Employ? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can guarantee you they're not actually running MediaWiki on PHP. It would make no sense to run a web browser and a web server and a database server just for one embedded device. It's probably just some basic firmware reading data off a flash chip.

  8. a 4G+ file? by loftwyr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Have these people never heard of a diff? How about just letting me download the changes! The Wiki can tell them what they are.

    That's worse than useless if I have to redownload all of wikipedia to keep it up to date.

    Luckily I have a smart phone with internet access.

    1. Re:a 4G+ file? by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The file on the device is probably compressed in a way that makes a diff impractical.

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    2. Re:a 4G+ file? by PCM2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That still sounds like a design flaw. In the worst-case scenario, the problem should be that the device doesn't have enough CPU and extra storage space to uncompress the archive and apply the diffs. Even in that case, I should be able to offload the current archive version to my PC, apply the diffs there, and then load it back onto the device.

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    3. Re:a 4G+ file? by Abstrackt · · Score: 3, Informative

      A compressed image of Wikipedia is about 4 gigs (last time I downloaded one anyway). That's just the text of the articles though. From what I hear, the pictures add about 600-700 gigs. Now, if you include revision history, discussion, etc. then you'll get into the terabytes, but if you're just building a local mirror you can fit the whole thing on one drive.

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    4. Re:a 4G+ file? by Abstrackt · · Score: 3, Informative

      Any instructions on how to build a local mirror?

      Here's enough to get you started. They also link to a program (Wikix) that builds scripts to download images should you desire them.

      I've found that in most cases just the text is good enough, but if I had the hard drive space and bandwidth I'd download the images too.

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  9. Don't Panic by lothos · · Score: 3, Funny

    Finally, the HHGG in your pocket.

    Does it come with a towel, or do I need to provide my own?

  10. Is this a derivative work? by popo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    According to the rules of open source... all derivative works must also be open source.

    This is hardware. Does that mean that the design, specifications and technology used are also open source?

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    1. Re:Is this a derivative work? by mpoulton · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to the rules of open source... all derivative works must also be open source.

      This is hardware. Does that mean that the design, specifications and technology used are also open source?

      That's an easy question! Answer: No.

      First, the hardware is not derived from Wikipedia. That's just silly. Second, even if it were "derivative" in some sense of the word, hardware itself is not copyrightable, and thus not subject to the GPL in any meaningful sense.

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  11. Re:trick you into thinking I'm educated by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination. - Einstein

  12. Discussed this earlier with some peeps by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    The form factor is a bit wonky. Adding just a little more functionality would have made it worth twice as much. Right now it looks like you have to depend on the community to provide delta-updates, they want you to dump 4GB. There are numerous tools for gathering your own wiki subset.

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  13. Updates by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Their website is going to host 4GB update files for this gizmo. I can imagine them crawling under bandwidth costs shortly. Why not use bittorrent?

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  14. Re:optional firmware for GPS ? by Smidge204 · · Score: 2, Funny

    > Is there any sort of open form factor that vendors could use to be EITHER a GPS, a WikiReader, MP3 player, etc? Stop the gadget proliferation !!

    Good news! You can get one gadget that's all that PLUS a phone!

    =Smidge=

  15. Funny that... by denzacar · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mine's called k700i... But I often refer to it as Bob.

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  16. Obligatory xkcd by lobiusmoop · · Score: 3, Funny
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  17. Its called an iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have an iPhone. I already have Wikipedia in my pocket.

    Of course, thanks to AT&T, its more like "I usually have Wikipedia in my pocket." :-)

  18. The Website by oahazmatt · · Score: 3, Funny

    The website looks like it was put together in a matter of minutes. I'm having "Netscape Composer" flashbacks.

    I clicked "Media". I stopped looking for information when I saw the picture of the old man "researching" Megan Fox.

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  19. Got a Kindle already by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wikipedia online plus Google, the interwebs, and books too.

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    1. Re:Got a Kindle already by Inda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, they still let you surf the web on a Kindle? How cute.

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  20. Re:Mostly Harmless by Aphoxema · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/

    Not exactly what you asked for but it's good stuff and it predates Wikipedia.

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  21. lame joke by Daimanta · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is that the largest encyclopedia in the world for just $99 in your pants or are you just happy to see me?

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  22. Aaah... too bad... by denzacar · · Score: 2, Funny

    You should have stayed there for just a bit longer.

    Then you would have also noticed the white, bespectacled woman in her 50s "researching" Snoop Dog.
    And that 6-year-old WikiReader poster child reading about string theory.

    I did not click on the links to see the videos though.
    I prefer the version I got in my head, where Will Smith bursts in and shoots that kid before it starts some shit.

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  23. Re:trick you into thinking I'm educated by eln · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure, but the true secret to appearing intelligent is quick and accurate Googling.

  24. Re:So... by lordandmaker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And many of those same people probably enjoy Wikipedia because they can modify articles as they choose (for good, bad and/or ugly), something this does not sound like it would allow them to do as it only transfers data internet-to-device. So I guess their market is toward that segment who believes that The Great Wiki is made up entirely of articles free from all forms of bias and subjectivity thus making it unconditionally gospel, and who have never heard of a "wireless connection" before.

    Most people I can think of who'd like this, or have some other form of access to The Great Wiki in their pocket don't see it as unconditionally gospel. It's like the rest of the internet - about right, most of the time. I don't recall ever having been wrongly informed through getting information from wikipedia - it can be (and more often than not is) ambiguous, over-complicated or over-simplified, lacking in detail, but it's very rarely wrong - there's too many anally retentive pedants on it.

  25. Re:optional firmware for GPS ? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good news! You can get one gadget that's all that PLUS a phone!

    =Smidge=

    Great! What is is? The only thing I know of that comes close is the iPhone, but that fails the first item on his list.

  26. Project Gutenberg by vlm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Somebody please hack it to contain the complete works of Project Gutenberg, or at least a worthwhile subset.

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  27. Why isn't this an iPhone App? by Tekfactory · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, my iPod touch has the capacity to store the 4GB data file and render the content just fine.

    So why can't I have an offline copy of Wikipedia AND take Diff files of the changes and updates when I am near a Wifi hotspot? Its got the capabilities to do play music, video, and display images so why isn't this the better form factor?

    Also a refurbed iPod touch is $149 with a color screen and rechargeable batteries and it does more than just read Wikipedia.

  28. Translation: by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

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  29. It's a postapocalyptic civilization rebuilder! by 7Ghent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1) Huge compendium of human knowledge.
    2) Runs off of commonly available, easily stockpiled batteries
    3) Runs for a whole year off of one set of batteries (swap Lithium for alkaline, it should run for a decade)
    4) Sunlight-readable
    5) Compact, sturdy and durable

    Hell, at those kind of power usage levels, you could hack a small solar cell into it and it should work anywhere you've got sunlight. Imagine a complete breakdown of civilization as we know it. Books are heavy and inconvenient and make good kindling. Without electricity, compact digital forms of information retrieval become impossible. What do we use to rebuild civilization after a couple generations of this send us back to the dark ages? This thing! It's PERFECT.

  30. Needs pictures. by Starlet+Monroe · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'll buy it when it includes images. The text is wonderful, but there are definitely some things that require a picture, or at least a diagram.

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  31. Get It for Free by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anyone with an Internet connection can download the complete Wikipedia in a compressed file about 5GB (decompresses to about 3TB), or even as SQL or XML. You could probably delete all the non-text content (eg. rm -R /*.jpg) to get something small enough to put on a 4GB Flash card for any smartphone.

    And you could get the updated snapsot a lot more frequently than with this subscription.

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  32. Re:optional firmware for GPS ? by dissy · · Score: 2, Funny

    But it is the iPhone. Not the jesusPhone.

    At least not until you install the jesusPhone theme...