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Why Charles Stross Hates Star Trek

daria42 writes "British sci-fi author Charles Stross has confessed that he has long hated the Star Trek franchise for its relegation of technology as irrelevant to plot and character development — and the same goes for similar shows such as Babylon Five. The problem, according to Stross, is that as Battlestar Galactica creator Ron Moore has described in a recent speech, the writers of Star Trek would simply 'insert' technology or science into the script whenever needed, without any real regard to its significance; 'then they'd have consultants fill in the appropriate words (aka technobabble) later.'"

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  1. Looking good in those tights by flahwho · · Score: 5, Funny

    Charles is NOT A MERRY MAN!

    1. Re:Looking good in those tights by Malfourmed · · Score: 2, Funny

      The above should not have been modded offtopic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ICpoWtFFzc

  2. Uh oh, trolls dead ahead... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Funny

    Cmdr Taco, more apply more tech to the tech!

    1. Re:Uh oh, trolls dead ahead... by ChefInnocent · · Score: 2, Funny

      He's given her all she's got Sponge. If KDawson applies any more, the site might explode.

  3. Re:hmmm by stoolpigeon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, anti-plot. Very dangerous stuff. It's red and even though it only takes a few drops of anti-plot to take out an entire world, Spock flew around in a ship with enough of it to take out just about every populated planet of significance. 'Cause you just never know when you'll need more anti-plot.

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  4. Re:Scalzi on Stross on ST by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    So essentially, he should repeat to himself "It's just a show, I should really just relax"?

  5. Re:Scalzi on Stross on ST by stoolpigeon · · Score: 4, Funny

    What the A-Team taught me was that all it takes to build an impregnable armored vehicle is a few empty 50 gallon drums. We'd have this Afghanistan thing wrapped up tomorrow if they could just ship a bunch of vans, empty 50 gal. drums and a welding torch or two over there.

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  6. Re:hmmm by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    What happens if you mix plot and anti-plot together?!

    Battlefield Earth.

  7. Let me get this straight by deathtopaulw · · Score: 5, Funny

    Extremely nerdy hard-science nerdy nerd kings are bitching about old TV shows because they were using almost made-up theoretical science as a plot device to advance the lives and drama of fictional characters for our entertainment...

    Here's an article for you: Slashdot member deathtopaulw hates hard science fiction writers because they have no concept of fun and their minds exist only to crunch numbers and dwell on what is and isn't possible in a finite and boring universe.

    Look at that, nobody cares either.

  8. Moore's approach was the opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Plot and character development as irrelevant to technology.

  9. Re:And ST is being picked on.... by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...why exactly? How is ST any different from any other sci-fi series like BSG or Firefly? It's not as if those show have any less technobabble or are any less characters-first-technology-second.

    It's simple, Stross is just annoyed that his talk at Mountain View about his book "Halting State" has received a mere 6,200 views while Leonard Nimoy's toe tapping dance number "Bilbo Baggins" has garnered more than a million views and taken the country by storm.

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  10. Re:And ST is being picked on.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'll give you a phrase to explain why - "distortion in the space/time continuum".

    I'll give you a word: "reconfigure". It was like the Enterprise was a giant Lego set.

  11. It's not restricted to sci-fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    That cancer of lazy fiction has even metastasized into the real world.

    I blame fire.

  12. Re:the magic ingredient by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    What the A-Team taught me was that all it takes to build an impregnable armored vehicle is a few empty 50 gallon drums. We'd have this Afghanistan thing wrapped up tomorrow if they could just ship a bunch of vans, empty 50 gal. drums and a welding torch or two over there.

    50 gallon drums... and Mr. T.

    Don't forget Murdock. Or rather Barclay.

    (See how I brought it back on topic? Slick, no?)

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  13. Re:the magic ingredient by thewils · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..and if they had McGuyver it'd be sorted in 10 minutes with his bootlaces.

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  14. Re:Scalzi on Stross on ST by Stormwatch · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, the head of the division...

    *puts on sunglasses*

    ...delivered a KILLER one-liner.

    *sound effect: YEEAAAAH*

  15. Re:Scalzi on Stross on ST by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh, Jesus. That was actually an episode? I remembered that story, but attributed it acute food poisoning and hallucinations.

  16. Re:utopian socialism by aix+tom · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now THAT would have been a Star Trek episode.

    The crew creating a spare part to save the day with the help of the replicator.

    Then they are being hunted down and sent to a penal colony, because they had to circumvent the DMCA to copy the part.

  17. Re:As opposed to Ron Moores method? by nyctopterus · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know, there's not a lot of rationale for saying someone's wrong on matters of preference, but man, you are just totally and completely wrong.

  18. Re:Seriously? by sorak · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, the TRUE one reason not to like Star Trek is the fact that they solve 95% of problems by reversing the polarity of something.

    Yeah. They reversed the polarity of capitalism 300 years ago.

  19. Re:Scalzi on Stross on ST by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ob. Futurama reference:

    And so, the Trek fans were killed in the manner most befitting virgins.

    [Guy on mountain throws a Trek fan into a volcano.]

    He's dead, Jim.

    [Repeat]

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  20. Re:Scalzi on Stross on ST by OakDragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh, Jesus. That was actually an episode? I remembered that story, but attributed it acute food poisoning and hallucinations.

    Feel the agony...

    SUMMARY: Tom Paris, navigator of the starship Voyager, discovers a way to travel at warp 10. Which, until now, was apparently a "theoretical impossibility", and means the same thing as achieving "infinite velocity". His test flight is a raging success, except for the part where he mutates and his body can no longer process oxygen or water, and his head expands to twice its normal size and various body parts fall off. The holographic Doctor races to find a cure, but not before Paris kidnaps Captain Janeway, subjects her to a warp 10 shuttle flight, and causes them both to mutate into... no, no, it's just too stupid. You'll never believe me if I just blurt it out like this. Read the whole recap, and just maybe you'll believe an ending this idiotic was actually scripted and filmed.

  21. Re:Scalzi on Stross on ST by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Funny

    The door knob's too slippery?

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  22. Re:Uh, B5 "technobabble"? Hardly... by nweaver · · Score: 2, Funny

    There was the one howler onetime however where 3 earth-ships, sections rotating, turned on a dime and ran.

    JMS got so much hell from the fans over that on.

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  23. Bzzzt. Wrong. Try again. by syousef · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's no money in them.

    If you literally weren't paid that's one thing. Otherwise it should be a matter of professionalism that you don't publicly denounce work you're actively still doing.

    I do them because, as Gore Vidal said: "Never pass up an opportunity for sex or to be on TV."

    Ah, in that case you have no professionalism or credibility. Are you married? Do you ever plan to be? I hope your current or future wife realises you plan to have sex with whomsoever provides the opportunity.

    You're the sort of person that can't tell the difference between Myth Buster's and good science television.

    Seriously, go read the book - The Elegant Universe, then watch the video again. You'll see the difference.

    I have read the book you arrogant little man. Have you? I've also got a masters degree in astronomy, which didn't come from watching documentaries, and which I did for myself without intention of making it my career.

    The point is it takes 3 hours to see the documentary, and longer to properly read and digest the book. The visuals in the TV program complimented the understanding I gained from the book very nicely. It also allows me to share the information with anyone willing to give me 3 hours, but who might not want to spend significant time reading. Still neither the book nor the documentary will make you a Quantum Dynamacist or an expert in String Theory. For that you need several years at University and an aptitude for higher level math and physics.

    Each level of education has it's place.

    Get some self respect and credibility, stop behaving opportunistically and then you might not be so cynical.

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  24. Re:Scalzi on Stross on ST by eln · · Score: 2, Funny

    That sounds like a wager to me!

  25. Re:Scalzi on Stross on ST by S.O.B. · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now we know why all the doors on Star Trek are "hands free".

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  26. Re:Scalzi on Stross on ST by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 2, Funny

    Dan who?

    But all seriousness aside I get your point - the general public couldn't deal with the fact filled, rigorously developed thought provoking discourse in something like like, well let's say /. for example.

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  27. Re:Scalzi on Stross on ST by Builder · · Score: 2, Funny

    Huh - you got bandwidth caps too? Sorry to hear that. :p