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Giant Ribbon Discovered At Edge of Solar System

beadwindow writes "NASA's IBEX (Interstellar Boundary Explorer) spacecraft has made the first all-sky maps of the heliosphere and the results have taken researchers by surprise. The maps are bisected by a bright, winding ribbon of unknown origin: 'This is a shocking new result,' says IBEX principal investigator Dave McComas of the Southwest Research Institute. 'We had no idea this ribbon existed — or what has created it. Our previous ideas about the outer heliosphere are going to have to be revised.' Another NASA scientist notes, '"This ribbon winds between the two Voyager spacecraft and was not observed by either of them.'"

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  1. Tag this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    startrekgenerations

    1. Re:Tag this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Negative. Tag this nexus!

    2. Re:Tag this by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Funny

      Babylon 5 nerd here, it's obviously The Worm.

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    3. Re:Tag this by Asclepius99 · · Score: 2, Funny

      So that's how they keep the universe from falling apart!

    4. Re:Tag this by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Negative. Tag this nexus!

      '"This ribbon winds between the two Voyager spacecraft and was not observed by either of them.'"

      Or the birth of V'ger

    5. Re:Tag this by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Funny

      First MS Office. Then Open Office. Now the whole damn solar system!

      Ribbons be damned!

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  2. Ribbon? by clone53421 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bill Gates thought that he was being innovative. Who'd have guessed that God came up with it first?

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    1. Re:Ribbon? by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait... If both statements are true. Bill Gates must be God! It would explain some of the weird things in DNA that don't seem to do anything but it doesn't work when you take them away....

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    2. Re:Ribbon? by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pioneer 10 & 11 did just fine with menus and tool-bars, you spoiled young wipper-snappers!
           

    3. Re:Ribbon? by superslacker87 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bill Gates must be God?

      We are witnessing the birth of a new dogma: the Holy Quaternity.

      You're late to the party, Bro.

      Catholics have been doing that with Mary for centuries now.

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    4. Re:Ribbon? by chemisus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wait... If both statements are true. Bill Gates must be God! It would explain some of the weird things in DNA that don't seem to do anything but it doesn't work when you take them away....

      It would also explain the cases where it doesnt work when you leave them in.

  3. Widespread Reach by cosm · · Score: 5, Funny

    The universe patched to 1.2, introducing Ribbon controls, because they collapse and expand in a visually appealing fashion. This helps the overlords better manage their multi-dimension MDI.

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  4. Bah, hack scientists by skornenicholas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We already KNEW about this, it is called the Great Galactic Barrier
    http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Galactic_barrier
    It's just the little one for each solar system, and these guys get federal grant money!

  5. Prediction by electricprof · · Score: 2, Funny

    I predict that further study will reveal the ribbon encircles a giant gift-wrapped present under an enormous Christmas tree. These were not discovered previously, since the present was hidden in the cosmic closet ...

    1. Re:Prediction by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Alternatively.... some Christian groups can claim (to the horror of others) that the Bible is not the Truth. Rather, the Truth is the Truth, and the Bible is a book about truth, and humanity's relationship to it. This key distinction lets said groups avoid fundamentalism, and also means that the accuracy of the timelines in question is relatively inconsequential to the religion's understanding of itself and of the world.

      Noticing this, one may even begin appreciate a few Religious Claims from time to time. For instance, the statement "Let there be light!" is really about the best summary of the beginning of the universe until the 1930s when Georges Lemaitre -- a Catholic priest, mind you -- refined it into modern Big Bang theory. (Yeah, and you thought the Catholics were all anti-science just because Pope Urban VIII was too much of a 17th-century Italian nobleman to let Galileo insult him in the Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems. Not so much. A tragedy, yeah, but it was more about politics and calling the pope's guy "Simplicio" and making him stupid than it was really about science.)

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    2. Re:Prediction by bvankuik · · Score: 2, Funny

      unless its a truly unknowable god being proposed in which case why even bother, its not like theres any proposed negative outcomes from not caring.

      What about Chtulhu? Wanna test that? Some face hugging love?

    3. Re:Prediction by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Informative

      We can pretty much rule out the biblical Judeo god (christianity, islam and judaism) because theres a LOT of claims about reality that contradict science (7 day creation, 6000 years old, giant wierd flood, space made of water, etc).

      Actually, when you read the Old Testament in the original Hebrew most of those contradictions disappear. They mostly came about in translations by trying to reuse existing Greek (then English) words (like water) for different concepts in the original. Ever heard about Moses' horns? Same phenomenon: inappropriate translation.

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    4. Re:Prediction by t_ban · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The hindu conception is a little more plausible in terms of time spans, but still makes claims that don't hold up under the microscope. No idea about the Sikh concept. Budhism? I think you'll find the same problems with hinduism, but possibly compounded by different schools of thought. Admittedly I dont know much about the specific claims of much outside the judeo-christian-muslim religions ,but its not the point.

      Hmmm. So you

      o tackle three world religions one by one

      o trash all of them

      o admit you don't know much about any of them

      o claim that your ignorance is not the point, your uninformed opinions are still correct

      and you have been modded insightful. Well done, slashdot.

      FYI, Buddhism (note the spelling) does not speak of a god.

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  6. be careful by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's good we discovered this early on. If we were already launching interstellar ships, there's a very real danger that at least one crew member's latent ESP abilities would start to run amok after their ship tried entering the ribbon. And, even worse, it'd probably be one of the ship captain's oldest friends.

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  7. galactic magnetic field by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FTA:

    One important clue: The ribbon runs perpendicular to the direction of the galactic magnetic field just outside the heliosphere,

    It looks like the ribbon is a side effect of the interaction between the galactic magnetic field and the heliosphere. It's possible that the interaction between the two causes particles to either collect in that region or direct those particles from that region toward Earth.

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    1. Re:galactic magnetic field by dhanson865 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's possible that the interaction between the two causes particles to either collect in that region or direct those particles from that region toward Earth

      Other than it's where you live what is your fixation with the Earth? I'm assuming you should have said towards the SUN since it happens to be the center point of the system as a whole. Or am I missing something technical that somehow shows that the earth is specifically effecting this interaction?

    2. Re:galactic magnetic field by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I disagree. The probability of the ribbon running perpindicular to the galactic magnetic field is pretty low if it's a coincidence and it's not implausible that there are interactions between the heliosphere and the magnetic field (given that the heliosphere is set by plasma interactions and all, especially). So to infer that the galactic magnetic field plays a role is perfectly reasonable.

      Perhaps you mean that it isn't *proof* that the galactic magnetic field is responsible? (Which is true. Granted, there is no proof in science, just sometimes strong evidence. Which this isn't, either.)

    3. Re:galactic magnetic field by ls671 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like the GP suggestion, in scientific thinking, you *need* to make hypothesis and try to validate them.

      What if the ribbons were just Galactic Northern Lights ? ;-))

      There is nothing wrong with trying to guess in science as long as you categorize your thoughts as hypothesis...

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    4. Re:galactic magnetic field by KillerBob · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The thing being... we have a 2D view of a 3D object. From our perspective it runs perpendicular to the axis of the magnetic field. But without a second observation point that's far enough away from the original observation point, we can't actually know that it actually *is* perpendicular to the axis, or whether it's an optical illusion and really going off at some oddball angle.

      Just playing devil's advocate here. It certainly does look as though it's related to the galactic magnetic field, and I liked the suggestion of another poster, that it's basically just the galactic equivalent of Aurora Borealis. But at this point, we just can't *know* that it's related to the magnetic field at all. We could be seeing that giant floating ribbon from Star Trek: Generations.

      And my first thought was to the 1992 video game, Star Control II... the documentation that came with that game said that access to hyperspace was impossible within large gravity wells (such as those around stars), and that there was a visible shimmer when you got to the region of space where the transition between dimensions was possible... :)

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    5. Re:galactic magnetic field by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The thing being... we have a 2D view of a 3D object. From our perspective it runs perpendicular to the axis of the magnetic field. But without a second observation point that's far enough away from the original observation point, we can't actually know that it actually *is* perpendicular to the axis, or whether it's an optical illusion and really going off at some oddball angle.

      Again, sure. But we got what we got. And, once again, what's being suggested isn't that we know that these two things are connected. Merely that it'd be a heckuva coincidence if they weren't. If I hear a scream and rush around the corner to see someone unconscious on the sidewalk, I'm going to assume that the two are connected until I get further information suggesting otherwise. Certainly as I try to figure out what happened, that's my starting position. And similarly, the good folks working on this ribbon mystery are going to start by looking for ways of connecting the ribbon to the galactic magnetic field. They might be wrong. That might get them nowhere. But you start where the initial set of clues lead you and work from there.

      So, once again: no one is saying that we know that the two are connected. It's just a reasonably strong hint in the initial stages of investigating a new phenomenon.

  8. Final Fantasy by White+Flame · · Score: 5, Funny

    At last, we now know why the solar system is immune to status effects.

  9. The Hindmost is pleased. by Megatog615 · · Score: 3, Funny

    And so begins Louis, Nessus, Teela, and Speaker's journey...

  10. A ribbon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    What, can't a solar system look cute for photo day?

  11. Have something written by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Don't open before christmas"

  12. Re:Easy... by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, it's a warning beacon advising more civilized species of interstellar travelers to keep away from from a star system inhabited by homo sapiens sapiens.

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  13. Re:Star Trek did it by BearRanger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sometimes literalists have a way of ruining the joke for everyone...

    Ribbon is to solar system as barrier is to galaxy. Simple as that. And if I were being literal I would have noted that V'ger was supposed to be Voyager 6, which of course doesn't (yet) exist. Then again I'm making jokes about Star Trek. None of it has any bearing on reality.

  14. Looking for the Right Thing by lousyd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This "ribbon" escaped detection by two former Voyager spacecraft, and is only now being detected by some new spacecraft that happened to be looking for something different. This "ribbon" is a ribbon by some specific property.

    It's amazing, to me, how what we see is influenced to a great extent by what we're looking for. The manifold possibilities the universe presents to us!

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    1. Re:Looking for the Right Thing by argent · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think they are only talking about the location of the Voyager spacecraft as a reference, I don't think there's any suggestion that they would have been expected to detect a large scale effect like this. It would be like expecting to determine the shape of the Mid Atlantic Ridge from two Bathyscaphe dives.

    2. Re:Looking for the Right Thing by hazem · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think they are only talking about the location of the Voyager spacecraft as a reference, I don't think there's any suggestion that they would have been expected to detect a large scale effect like this

      Plus, I suspect the Voyager craft were not equipped to detect this particular phenomena. However, if they were colliding with a lot more particles than expected, or got caught in a flow of particles, over a long period of time, that might impact their trajectories.

      I've read that the courses Pioneer craft have changed in slow and unexplainable ways. I can't find if the Voyager craft have experienced the same thing. But maybe this phenomena could be part of the explanation.

      I just love how we keep finding new things that challenge what we knew before.

  15. Long-delayed echoes by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Could this be the cause of the Long-delayed echoes?

    1. Re:Long-delayed echoes by nacturation · · Score: 3, Informative

      Long delayed echoes (LDEs) are radio echoes which return to the sender several seconds after a radio transmission has occurred.

      Unless someone has discovered faster than light communications, probably not.

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    2. Re:Long-delayed echoes by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Right, too far. We'd be looking for features closer to Earth's orbit. Never mind.

    3. Re:Long-delayed echoes by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 3, Informative

      Could this be the cause of the Long-delayed echoes?

      No, LDEs are are due to radio signals being trapped in an ionospheric/magnetospheric ionization duct. These are one to two kilometer diameter "tubes" of of low electron density that are aligned with the earth's magnetic field lines and extend from the F-region of the ionosphere in one hemisphere to the F-region in the opposite hemisphere. Radio signals originating in one hemisphere travel along one of these ducts and then are reflected off the top side of the ionosphere in the other hemisphere. They then travel back along the duct to the place of origin, resulting in the long-delayed echo.

      There's a pretty good article (from which I lifted most of this information) on this phenomenon in the November 2009 issue of QST magazine.

      KJ6BSO

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  16. Re:Cosmic caring by cthulu_mt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Some of us are aware of breast all year long.

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  17. All hail by Bysshe · · Score: 5, Funny

    All hail his noodly appendage.

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    1. Re:All hail by AniVisual · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why is this modded funny? This is more evidence that Pastafarianism is the One True Religion. While the theorists scramble to explain the FSM's Right Arm, us believers get angry at the blindness of the other humans. What sacrilege to explain away all the evidence smack before your face with mumbo jumbo and treat our religion as a joke!

  18. The Note by DynaSoar · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Please wear this ribbon on your planetary system in order to help us raise awareness. Awareness is such a precious commodity in galaxies of all colors, shapes and sizes, that we feel it only proper to honor the awareness that is within us all by taking this opportunity to mark those systems with nascent awarenesses with a ribbon. Hopefully by comparing our pre-aware planetary systems we can come to appreciate our own awareness and the source of that awareness, whatever form you may believe that it takes. Remember, it takes a spiral arm to raise a planetary system. Thank you again for raising awareness with this ribbon."

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  19. Gift by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It just means that life, the universe, and everything is a gift.

  20. Good by SleepyHappyDoc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now we have a good reason to send some more Voyager probes out. The last two were certainly worth the cost, and it'd probably be a lot cheaper to build and launch a comparable probe today than it was when the first two were launched.

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  21. Re:Easy... by grcumb · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, it's a warning beacon advising more civilized species of interstellar travelers to keep away from from a star system inhabited by homo sapiens sapiens.

    Actually, it's a banner. When we finally decipher it, we'll read, "Do Not Feed The Monkeys."

    Well, actually, ".syeknoM ehT deeF toN oD" If you know what I mean.

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  22. Northern Lights (sort of)? by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Would these possibly be some sort of 'northern lights' phenomena? If the earth's magnetic field generates a phenomena at a planetary scale, why not a solar system generating a similar field that interacts with galactic particles?

  23. Just Missed By Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I understand the article correctly, Voyager 1 passed right above the ribbon and Voyager 2 passed just below the ribbon. Years ago NASA used Jupiter's gravity to send Voyager 1 above the plane of the solar system and Neptune's gravity to send Voyager 2 below the plane of the solar system, leading to both spacecraft just missing the ribbon.

    Maybe it was a mistake to send both spacecraft out of the ecliptic plane. Does anyone know the benefit NASA saw from sending both spacecraft out of the solar plane?

    1. Re:Just Missed By Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 by osu-neko · · Score: 2, Informative

      The ribbon's orientation does not correspond to the ecliptic. There would have been no benefit to keeping either of the Voyagers in the ecliptic, and the disadvantage would be they'd both be given identical angles on the solar system, and one identical to the one we already have, rather than each having its own angle and one different from our own ecliptic-bound view. Also, the data we get regarding how gravity perturbs them as they move would be substantially less useful.

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  24. Re:interesting theory by osu-neko · · Score: 2, Informative

    o.O You're kidding, right?

    Just in case you're serious... No, that's not happening, and there's no need to "look into it", as we already know the distribution of the magnetic field of the Earth pretty well, and it's not doing what you describe. As to where things "get through and hit earth", it does happen and it's easily observable. Aurora are obvious, visible signs of such distortions of the magnetic field coming all the way down to intersect the Earth, which does happen... around the magnetic poles.

    Also, we understand fairly well what's going on in the Bermuda Triangle. It's factually well established that there are no more mysterious incidents within this area than within any other similarly sized area of the sea with similar traffic. However, incidents happening there get more hype because they happen there. It's a sociological phenomenon that requires no appeal to strange physics, geoscience, or the like. Indeed, if there was something strange going on there, one would expect a greater than average incidence of missing ships, airplanes, etc. But in fact, there are not. The only thing unusual about the Bermuda Triangle is the amount of stories that come out of it.

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  25. Re:Easy... by dkf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Actually, it's a banner. When we finally decipher it, we'll read, "Do Not Feed The Monkeys."

    I'd be happier if it said "Do Not Feed On The Monkeys" to be honest.

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  26. Re:completely miss the point about religion by SigmundFloyd · · Score: 2

    science tells you how
    religion tells you lies

    FTFY.

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