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Colorado Newspaper Looking for Marijuana Reviewer

Westword, an "alternative" newspaper in Denver, has placed an ad for a medicinal marijuana reviewer. The paper has been running reviews by a staff writer, but the writer "wanted to return to the day job," opening up the position. Applicants must write a short essay on "What Marijuana Means To Me," and a MacGyver-like ability to make a bong out of common household objects is a plus.

171 comments

  1. If you're going to have idle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    please post something that hasn't been posted all over the internet for weeks now.

  2. Macgyver-like ability to make a bong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Macgyver would have built a vaporizer.

    1. Re: Macgyver-like ability to make a bong by spun · · Score: 3, Funny

      And then MacGuyver would build a fractionating column to distill hash oil to use in his vaporizer, so the quality of the marijuana would matter very little to MacGuyver, and he wouldn't need these reviews.

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    2. Re: Macgyver-like ability to make a bong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alright, that's it spun. after reading your informative posts:

      Here
      Here
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      Here

      and

      Here

      We're throwing a party at your house. I'll bring a roll of twenties and some pizza!

  3. Bong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just a FYI, the medical marijuana community normally encourages the use of vaporizers instead of smoking. This involves heating the plant material just enough to vaporize the active ingredients, but not enough to ignite it and cause smoke/ash. The result is a smoother, easier administration of your medicine (or recreational drug) without the tar and carcinigans associated with smoking. It also doesn't stink up the house.

    1. Re:Bong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can also re-vaporize the ash once you run out of money and your tolerance fades.

    2. Re:Bong? by spun · · Score: 4, Informative

      The medical marijuana community encourages the use of techniques including vaporizing, tinctures, hash oil and other concentrates, pot goodies like brownies, and other methods of reducing harm. People with severe HIV or cancer often can't even use a vaporizer, so edibles or tinctures are called for. People using marijuana as replacement therapy for harder drugs sometimes don't have the money for a vaporizer, and need a longer lasting high, so they are encouraged to try edibles.

      Remember, pipes and joints and even vaporizers spread hepatitis. Use a chillum when sharing.

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    3. Re:Bong? by natehoy · · Score: 1

      But doesn't that lead to a vicious cycle?

      Man, those brownies were some good stuff. But now I've got a case of the muchies. Oh, look, brownies!

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    4. Re:Bong? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      Use a chillum when sharing.

      Is the one in Maryland suitable for this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chillum,_Maryland

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    5. Re:Bong? by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      Remember, pipes and joints and even vaporizers spread hepatitis. Use a chillum when sharing.

      How does using a chillum differ from using a pipe? Perhaps "chillum" means something different to you and me--I hear the term in reference to a straight pipe; that is, the bowl is not at all angled and is directly opposite the mouthpiece.

      I would think a bong (properly used) would be the safest method of sharing, as at no point is any part of the piece in your mouth.

    6. Re:Bong? by smilnrt · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you are qualified for this position! :o)

    7. Re:Bong? by xanadu113 · · Score: 1

      This involves heating the plant material just enough to vaporize the active ingredients, but not enough to ignite it and cause smoke/ash.

      The temperature range for vaporizing cannabis Is 180 - 200 C (356 - 392 F). Now maybe someone can post in here how to build your own vaporizer?

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    8. Re:Bong? by spun · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are correct, a chillum is a straight pipe. It was designed to be held in a cupped hand, sticking up from between two fingers. Then suck from your cupped hand, rather than directly from the chillum. A bong must touch your mouth. Maybe not inside your mouth, but it must touch around your lips, so it isn't safe.

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    9. Re:Bong? by xanadu113 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I believe you mean a positive feedback loop... =)

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    10. Re:Bong? by King+Coopa · · Score: 1

      If you want to try the effects of a vaporizer without having to throw down the money, try looking up "knife hits"

    11. Re:Bong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the easiest ways is to adapt a heating element that is used for soldering. Not the soldering iron itself, but the thing (don't know the proper name) that is used to keep a small pool of the soldering alloy in the liquid state. The investment is around $70 and you can flick it on with a switch. Buying a better model or hacking the poor man's allows you to control the temperature. Put a glass top over it, with a pipe, small hose or a straw and you're ready.

    12. Re:Bong? by mikael_j · · Score: 2, Informative

      An even easier model is some kind of tube, a lightbulb and a lighter to heat it with. It does require some skill though and if you use it too many times the glass will most likely crack.

      All it takes is to plug "lightbulb vaporizer" into Google and you'll get all the info you need.

      /Mikael

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    13. Re:Bong? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      The problem with edibles is that it takes upwards of six times the amount you'd normally combust to get the same effect.

      Edibles don't even work on me for some reason. I can eat a whole pan of brownies and don't feel anything.

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    14. Re:Bong? by spun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My guess is, you aren't making them right. When I worked in the business, my roommate, a chef with quite a bit of baking experience, made them regularly to sell to the clubs. He would use leftover trimmings that aren't really fit to be sold for smoking. His recipe consisted of a lot of clarified butter, a little vodka, and a lot of trimmings, simmer gently for 24 hours. Then squeeze through a cheesecloth and use the butter in recipes.

      I'm a heavyweight when it comes to pot, but I wouldn't want to eat more than half a brownie or cookie of his. As they were made with leftover trimming that wouldn't get sold for smoking anyway, the large amount being used in each goody is a moot point.

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    15. Re:Bong? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      Just a FYI, the medical marijuana community normally encourages the use of vaporizers instead of smoking.

      Who is "the medical marijuana community"? Sure, there are many folks who advocate vaporizers, but there are also many fully satisfied with joints and bong hits, and the dispensaries will certainly dispense the medicine in any form. I'd bet that the overwhelming majority of medical pot is smoked in the usual ways, not vaporized or consumed in brownies.

    16. Re:Bong? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yeah and when you go to kiss someone, always kiss them through a large sheet of latex. Wear gloves whenever touching anything too. In fact, don't even look at anything!

    17. Re:Bong? by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      Well I'll be damned. I had no idea they were intended to be used that way. Looks like I have some research to attend to. Thanks for the info.

    18. Re:Bong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I personally take a lighter to the edge mouth piece of friends bong, hopefully that burns off the germs and than I wipe it with my shirt.

    19. Re:Bong? by abigor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed, the most stoned I have ever been is from eating pot in one form or another - as in, not being able to move or speak stoned.

      As a side benefit, I've always found after eating it that I take the most amazingly satisfying dump the following morning, and I walk away from the toilet feeling like I'm floating through the air.

    20. Re:Bong? by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      all right, that was a little more than we needed to know. :-)

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    21. Re:Bong? by Brian+Feldman · · Score: 1

      Gotta disagree with you there. They're not the right shape to allow you to create a vacuum between cupped fingers, and if you manage to contort your hand painfully in a way that allows you to actually get some positive pressure, the bowl is going to be too close to any bangs you might have for you to actually light it safely.

      Or so I've heard.

      (pics or gtfo)

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    22. Re:Bong? by spun · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there are YouTube videos demonstrating the proper method of using a chillum. That being said, most of them aren't really made right.

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    23. Re:Bong? by Ozlanthos · · Score: 1

      Vaporizors work alright, but I have always found that it kind of kills the uniqueness found in each strain. As many dispensaries prescribe specific strains for specific maladies, I would think that either water bongs or a straight glass piece would work just fine. I believe that vaporisors are like a security blanket for those who still believe you can get lung cancer from smoking weed. Bongs cut down a bit of the heavy stuff, making them ideal for those wanting a cleaner high, while not losing the "flavor".

      -Oz

    24. Re:Bong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck I miss those days.

      I really think my work/career would benefit from a 6-12 month binge. There is something that I'd really like to code up and pot is the thing that makes everything else boring and 14hrs/day coding fun.

      It's just too difficult for me to get hold of.

      Sorry for the anonymous ... I'm surrounded by too many purists and cannot risk some data mining software finding the link to my 'anonymous' Internet username

    25. Re:Bong? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      None have worked, not from clubs, not from homemade. What I make works on other people just fine, but it doesn't seem to work for me.

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    26. Re:Bong? by spun · · Score: 1

      Weird. Never met someone they just don't work on at all, but I have to take your word for it. It's too bad, I find the high from edibles to be great, long lasting fun.

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    27. Re:Bong? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Good pot only lasts about 1 1/2 hours before I have to toke up again. Even the melatonin supplements can only help out so much.

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    28. Re:Bong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an awesome feeling - being at work after a 'good' weekend - and the morning workplace crap leaves the bathroom smelling like a bong went off..

  4. Sign me up! by FoolishBluntman · · Score: 1

    Hey!, I'll volunteer.

    1. Re:Sign me up! by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Well, you certainly have an oddly appropriate name for a marijuana reviewer! It wouldn't be my first choice of names for someone I was seeking to hire for programming, however.

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    2. Re:Sign me up! by FoolishBluntman · · Score: 1

      Strange but true, I make over $200K/year writing software.
      I write amazing software but still smoke(vaporize) occasionally.
      Don't blame me, I'm a child of the 60's

  5. How is this a FRONT PAGE story? by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    C'mon Slashdot, you can do better than that.

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    1. Re:How is this a FRONT PAGE story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I don't wanna. Tomorrow maybe.

  6. Sounds like a great job by u4ya · · Score: 3, Funny

    But what would you do to relax after a long day's work?

    1. Re:Sounds like a great job by sanosuke001 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Morphine

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    2. Re:Sounds like a great job by amliebsch · · Score: 1

      Coffee?

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    3. Re:Sounds like a great job by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

      I did computer security for a major San Francisco medical marijuana club, a very well respected non-profit group that was instrumental in working with the city health department to craft guidelines and city card procedures, and with the police in sensitivity training. After a long day of product testing, I relaxed with some more product testing.

      All in all, you'd be surprised by the high quality of work that got done. And so would I, as I can't remember any of it.

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      - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
    4. Re:Sounds like a great job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to Pizza Hut.

    5. Re:Sounds like a great job by Danathar · · Score: 1

      Yes...but did your boobs get bigger :)

  7. Ironic use of a fertility idol... by Anonymous+Monkey · · Score: 0, Troll

    Am I the only one who thought the fertility idol icon was funny, considering cannabis is thought to cause...er...shrinkage.

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    1. Re:Ironic use of a fertility idol... by b0ttle · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, Bob Marley had 13 children...

    2. Re:Ironic use of a fertility idol... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      It doesn't cause shrinkage (that I know of at least). However, it has been proven to reduce sperm count. Then again, quite a few man-made drugs cause side effects with reproductive systems too.

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    3. Re:Ironic use of a fertility idol... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And his bassist had 52...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aston_Barrett

    4. Re:Ironic use of a fertility idol... by Fotograf · · Score: 1

      but none of them is his own...

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  8. I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder if you have to pass a drug test.

    1. Re:I wonder by spun · · Score: 1

      Sure, they test you to see how many drugs you can do and still write a comprehensible sentence in English. After finishing the test I can assure you that barn owl first window, uh, the sunshine, look at the colors, man, I can taste them!

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    2. Re:I wonder by natehoy · · Score: 1

      All this time, my parents were after me saying I'd never get a good job and be successful if I did drugs. Then I find out about this.

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    3. Re:I wonder by xanadu113 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The bad news is, you tested positive for marijuana metabolites.

      The good news, you've got the job.

      Can you start tomorrow at 4:20?

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    4. Re:I wonder by xanadu113 · · Score: 1

      You're thinking of hallucinogens... not cannabis...

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    5. Re:I wonder by spun · · Score: 1

      You're thinking I was serious, rather than making a joke. Did I say, "they test you to see how much pot you can smoke?" No, because that wasn't the phrase used in the post I replied to. I used the generic term drugs, which encompasses cannabis and other hallucinogens.

      But, trust me on this Myke, it is possible to eat enough cannabis baked goods to hallucinate pretty hard. Cannabis IS a hallucinogen, just a rather mild one.

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    6. Re:I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting anon because well, yeah.

      My experience is that cannabis doesn't really make you hallucinate in a way that resembles LSD, Psilocybin, DMT or other "real" hallucinogens. The thought patterns tend to be similar but the visual and auditory effects of cannabis aren't even comparable, 3 grams of soft smelly hashish (the most I've eaten at once) only resulted in an extremely "stoned" feeling with a massive body load and "bleeding" colors ,watching cartoons had the colors on the screen slowly seeping out in every direction from the screen and hard edges between dark and light surfaces as well as highly saturated colors showed some tracer-like characteristics while mostly acting "electric" (straight lines seemingly vibrating and acting a lot more jagged than they normally do).

      As for smoking cannabis, the worst I've managed there was when I was testing some freshly dried and cured, I smoked myself to a state where I was incapable of getting up from my chair without falling down and eventually fell asleep for a couple of hours, no hallucinations though.

    7. Re:I wonder by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Informative

      As for smoking cannabis, the worst I've managed there was when I was testing some freshly dried and cured, I smoked myself to a state where I was incapable of getting up from my chair without falling down and eventually fell asleep for a couple of hours, no hallucinations though.

      Try eating the stuff. Preferably on an empty stomach (eat a couple slabs of bacon or something else fatty shortly after your space cakes if you want to get on the fast train). If you want to trip even harder do this right after giving blood.

      Umm, or so I've heard.

    8. Re:I wonder by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      None of the classic psychedelics (LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, etc.) really produce true hallucinations, at least in the vast majority of users.

      To be considered an actual hallucination, the person needs to think that what they are perceiving is REAL. No matter how hard you trip on LSD, some part of your consciousness still remembers that you have taken a drug, and all the colors and patterns are simply the effects of that drug, and will wear off in a while.

      The only common drugs that produce true hallucinations would be stuff like Datura (Jimsonweed), scopolamine, or other atropine-like drugs. But for some twisted reason, "hallucinogen" is used for drugs that are properly termed "psychedelics", while the drugs that make you hallucinate are called "deliriants".

      Probably the same reasoning that classifies cocaine and amphetamines as "narcotics"...

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    9. Re:I wonder by hydroponx · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, I'll be occupied, will 4:21 be ok ?

    10. Re:I wonder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, if you believe what you are seeing and feeling is real, that is called a "delusion," making the user delirious.

    11. Re:I wonder by spun · · Score: 1

      Not to be a pedant, but cocaine and amphetamines are classified as stimulants. In the US, "narcotics" means opium derivatives.

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    12. Re:I wonder by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

      Pharmacologically, yes.

      Legally, crimes involving coke or amphetamines will be handled by the NARCOTICS division of your local police agency...

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    13. Re:I wonder by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      I wonder if you have to pass a drug test.

      You do, but its pretty simple: "Can you roll a tight one?"

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    14. Re:I wonder by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      Hm-m-m. I beg to differ, though this may be a case of semantics. Have you ever done acid? You can be quite aware that you have taken a drug, and still amazed at what your eyes appear to be showing you. Watching the side of a building melt onto the grass, or your friends face undulating into a throbbing pink oviod that pulses with the music can seem pretty real, even though you know you're buzzed.

      Of course, this is just what my casual acquaintences tell me has happened to friends of theirs.

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    15. Re:I wonder by spun · · Score: 1

      Yeah, in that sense any illegal drug is a narcotic. That's why I admitted to being a little bit pedantic about it. I'm not a linguistic prescriptivist or anything, but the root 'narco' does mean sleep, is all I'm saying, Mr. Tripp. :)

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  9. Weeding out the candidates by smitty777 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's a tough job, so let's get rolling.

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    1. Re:Weeding out the candidates by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 1

      You cannabis serious...

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    2. Re:Weeding out the candidates by dr_dank · · Score: 0

      If you don't apply soon, this opportunity will go up in smoke.

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    3. Re:Weeding out the candidates by smitty777 · · Score: 1

      Oh, it's serious. It's just a matter of hashing out the details.

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    4. Re:Weeding out the candidates by darthdavid · · Score: 1

      Yeah. You'd better get packing. You can take the company car, it's a blazer.

    5. Re:Weeding out the candidates by Slashdot+Suxxors · · Score: 1

      Dress nice and make sure your pants don't get ripped.

  10. Macgyver, MacGuyver by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    And then he'd go on a munchies-induced rampage killing and eating Zoanoids.

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  11. Why did the old reviewer quit? by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Did he run out of new and interesting ways to say, "This is some good shit!"

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    1. Re:Why did the old reviewer quit? by smellsofbikes · · Score: 3, Informative

      For what it's worth (since I live in Denver and read the Westword every week) the problem is that a reviewer should have a recognized medical condition for which a doctor has prescribed medical marijuana. The previous reviewer had an injured back for which he'd gotten a prescription but A: he was already writing other stuff for Westword, and B: he doesn't actually smoke, so he questioned whether he was a good fit long-term. As such, they're looking for someone who fits the job better.

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  12. Actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It DOES still stink up the house.

    1. Re:Actually by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 1

      Not really actually. I mean, it's not entirely odorless, but it's certainly better than lighting up a doober in the living room. Or so I've heard.

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    2. Re:Actually by elloGov · · Score: 1

      I concur this fact from experience :)

    3. Re:Actually by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      Why don't you just blow it toward a window fan, so it stinks up the outside for the neighbors?

    4. Re:Actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're doing it wrong

    5. Re:Actually by Conditioner · · Score: 1, Informative

      Build a spoofer, a cardboard roll with a few fabric softener cloths in it. when you exhale do it through the spoofer out a window. Doesn't kill all the smell but it get rid of a large amount of it.

  13. How to Get This Job by jayspec462 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The first person who both desires this job and a) has a resume, b) manages to find the motivation to print a copy of the resume, put it in an envelope, and send it to the HR department, and c) remembers to attend the interview gets the job automatically.

    I suspect the position will go unfilled for some time...

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    1. Re:How to Get This Job by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      It's kind of a catch-22 because the person who meets those qualifications probably doesn't actually have the requisite experience.

    2. Re:How to Get This Job by Afghanica · · Score: 1

      You evidently have met very few cannabis users, and are still stuck on the old stereotype that all cannabis users are lazy and unmotivated.
      Its understandable, since these lies have been drilled into the heads of school kids all over the world since the 1930s.

      I know you're joking, but the joke is old, and for someone who works with medical marijuana users all day, from all walks of life, whose lives are threatened by the laws in our country that result from ignorance like this, its tough to hear.

      I know more cannabis users that cant get a job because they ALL drug test, than users who aren't looking for work.

  14. Perks? by natehoy · · Score: 1

    Does the position include free munchies?

    I can imagine the first review.

    So, dude, like, I'm totally snarfed up on this good shiznet, and, oh, God there's a whole universe in my thumbnail man. Anyway. Just got back from scarfing another 5 pounds of free munchies. Wow, the cheetos are amazing. It's like life, in a little foil wrapper. You know I could make a few hats out of these, but hats are a sign of The Man. Oh, no, speaking of - there's The Man coming in and nattering something about deadlines on a review or something. Gotta go, he's asking me to submit it or something. Whatever. Anyway, corner of West Third and Ninth, see "Frank", rating: Excellente'. Time for some munchiesssss...

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  15. Does that mean by zannox · · Score: 3, Funny

    Staff meetings will be held at 4:20?

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    1. Re:Does that mean by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      I do believe the Salary for the position is $420/wk. It isn't much, but the benefits are great!

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    2. Re:Does that mean by Afghanica · · Score: 1

      Of course not!

      Staff meetings end at 4:19

  16. Sigh... by blhack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am a HUGE advocate for medical marijuana. It find it absurd that I have a bottle of hydrocodone (which is an opioid [like heroin or morphine]) in my cabinet and can take it whenever I need to, but if a doctor wanted to prescribe me marijuana, she couldn't.

    Guys, even if it's a placebo, even if it is really doing *NOTHING* to help people physically and it is all mental (although recent research suggests that placebos can produce physical results), it's still helping; it is still making somebody who might be in pain be able to feel just a little bit better.

    A major frown to those who oppose the idea of giving medicine to sick people

    Another major frown to this idiotic newspaper. Do you realize what you're doing? You're playing exactly into the fears that the people who oppose this drug have; that it's just a bunch of potheads that want it. Do you review xanax? Vicodin? Perkaset? No? Well then fuck off.

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    1. Re:Sigh... by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      Honestly dude, those drugs are provided by a pharmaceutical company and have precise amounts of drug and bonding agent. Medicinal Marijuana is grown at each of the clinics or by an authorized grower. Short growth years, different fertilizer, watering schedules all make up differences in taste and potency I'm sure.

      Someone has to test the differences between Wild Boulder, Longmont Green, Broomfield Gold, and Erie Black.

      Westword is actually a pretty good paper most of the time, much like DC's City Paper, the only other like paper I'm familiar with. I was glad to find it when we moved to Longmont from DC. I think reading reviews of the various clinics would be interesting.

      [John]

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    2. Re:Sigh... by xanadu113 · · Score: 1

      Do you review xanax? Vicodin? Perkaset?

      They only make one kind of each of those medicines... cannabis has hundreds of strains..

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    3. Re:Sigh... by anarchyboy · · Score: 1

      If it was just a placebo effect then why bother with the pot at all there would be much easier ways to administer it so really if it's being perscribed its almost certainly doing better than placebo in trials.

      As for reviewing it medicinal pot unlike a pill like vicodin is not allways going to be the same, it will come in different strengths, taste different, give different highs (side effects I guess) and this can not and is not tested and controlled in the same way that every vicodin pill is exactly the same. So in that respect reviewing is useful.

    4. Re:Sigh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another major frown to this idiotic newspaper. Do you realize what you're doing? You're playing exactly into the fears that the people who oppose this drug have; that it's just a bunch of potheads that want it. Do you review xanax? Vicodin? Perkaset? No? Well then fuck off.

      The westword is an alternative Denver magazine. It certainly is NOT a mainstream paper like the Denver Post. So I don't know what you're getting all excited about. Anyone who takes half the crap in the westword seriously is deluding themselves.

    5. Re:Sigh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mabey someone should review them, that way it can shed more light on the legalized drug cartel.

      housewives of OC?

    6. Re:Sigh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you review xanax? Vicodin? Perkaset?

      Wait, Rush Limbaugh quit too?

    7. Re:Sigh... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're playing exactly into the fears that the people who oppose this drug have; that it's just a bunch of potheads that want it.

      For every chronic pain or nausea victim, there are 20 stoners saying, "right on, dude!" Know what? More power to 'em. If you can go out and get staggering drunk legally, you should be able to go out and get staggeringly stoned legally. I'm not a stoner, but I believe in your right to be one. So stocking caps off to Westword for admitting what everyone else already knows: a big chung of the legalization movement consists of normal, otherwise law-abiding people who want to get stoned.

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    8. Re:Sigh... by blhack · · Score: 1

      If their goal is outright legalization, then their stated goal should also be outright legalization.

      Suggesting that pot should be something that you get from a pharmacy and with a prescription when, in reality, you believe that you should be able to grow and use it yourself is disingenuous and counterproductive.

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    9. Re:Sigh... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      I agree wholeheartedly, which is why I'm more supportive of outright legalization pushes than I am of some kid playing ultimate and claiming "it's for the sick people, wink-wink." Not that there aren't people legitimately calling for legal medical usage - and a lot of them! - but I still claim that far more people are using it as a means to different ends.

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    10. Re:Sigh... by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      If their goal is outright legalization, then their stated goal should also be outright legalization.

      Suggesting that pot should be something that you get from a pharmacy and with a prescription when, in reality, you believe that you should be able to grow and use it yourself is disingenuous and counterproductive.

      Not at all. One of the big obstacles to legalization is the populace's current misperceptions, which have been largely driven by US government propaganda. For example, common objections include, "Why would we want more incapacitated drivers" which implies the belief that pot impairs coordination and heightens risk taking like alcohol does, which is false. Or,"the pot these days is so much stronger, it's a different, more dangerous drug", which is a failure of reasoning (is wine less dangerous than brandy?) and a lack of knowledge of the ability of a smoker to titrate their own dose pretty easily.

      Getting pot into society via the medical use route increases everyone's available data, which proponents of legalization will ultimately result in an outbreak of rationality. And even if it didn't result in me being able again, as a geezer, to get some smoke once in a while, it would still benefit a bunch of sick, suffering people, which is hardly a bad outcome.

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    11. Re:Sigh... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      is wine less dangerous than brandy?

      Yes. It's much easier to drink so much you poison yourself with brandy compared to wine.

      This is part of the reason many European countries allow you to buy wine at age e.g. 16, but brandy only at age e.g. 18. It also means in countries without this distinction (e.g. UK) teenagers buy bottles of vodka to get drunk quickly, which increases the risk of harming themselves -- particularly if they're inexperienced.

      It's an easy problem to solve though: if cannabis is legalised, require clear labelling of the "strength", just like tobacco packaging (in Europe, anyway) lists the amount of nicotine. From what I've read, stronger cannabis isn't more enjoyable, but no doubt they'll be some demand for it, just like there's some demand for super-strength lager, but much more for normal-strength lager.

    12. Re:Sigh... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      If it si a placebo, the it shouldn't be prescribed due to ethics concerns.

      "(although recent research suggests that placebos can produce physical results"
      No, it doesn't, but I'd like to see your citation.

      What few actually studies there are of marijuana do indicate a real effect, and it's plain wrong that it can't be prescribed without a major fit.

      What this paper is doing is a good thing; they are making people aware that medical marijuana is out there, and what it's good for.
      It's just more religious right crap being shoved down our throats, and it's embarrassing.

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    13. Re:Sigh... by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      Well, I was speaking more to the dangers of alcoholism, liver damage, interaction with other drugs, etc. Pure alcohol poisoning is a relatively rare occurrence. For the more common negative effects of alcohol, there isn't much difference between beer, wine and liquor. Three beers is about like three glasses of wine, which is about like three shots of whiskey.

      In the case of pot, in the US there is much hue and cry over the reputedly greater strength of modern pot, and there are claims by the antis that this increase in strength makes pot much more dangerous now. Anyone who has smoked pot for 30 years or so (ahem) can tell you that this simply isn't so. There was plenty of quite strong pot available back then, and the effect is quite similar to the strong pot available today. Further, the claims made about the strength of the pot available today border on ludicrous. I have seen accounts of pot that claim it is 25% THC. THC is a clear, oily liquid. For this to be true, the material in the baggy would have to have the consistency of pudding. It tangibly does not. But I digress. Must be the pot...

      If pot were legalized, my suspicion is that products would be made available in a variety of strengths, as most people would prefer a medium strength to allow them to control the level of the effect. I further suspect that there would be little market for the strongest material. "One Hit" pot isn't as much fun as a milder blend. Or so I've been told. :-)

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    14. Re:Sigh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that xanax, vicodin, and perkaset don't get their own reviews is testiment to why they shouldn't even be medicines. Herb for everyone, that what I always say.

    15. Re:Sigh... by conureman · · Score: 1

      I dunno about Percocet, but Xanax has a strong correlation with suicides and Campanile/Rifle incidents, whilst Vicodin has some good therapeutic value, aside from the opportunity for total liver destruction from the toxin Acetaminophen. Too bad The People don't have any one medically qualified to protect them from their government.

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  17. And this is why medical pot has a hard time by dirk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This article pretty much covers why medical pot is having such a hard time. The cause has been co-opted by people trying to use it as a backdoor to get pot legalized. California is having a lot of problems and people are turning against medical pot because it is being abused so much. A lot of the prescriptions are handed out without an real medical exam for generic things like "chronic pain". Chronic pain is a real condition, but it is being used as an excuse for people to legally get pot.

    I'm all for medical pot, but it should be handled like any other medicine. It should be prescribed by a doctor for a legit condition and filled by a pharmacy, not by guys growing it in their back yard. If a doctor is prescribing it needless, he should be prosecuted the same as if he was handing out Ritalin or some other drug to people who don't need it. Unfortunately, many people are more interested in getting high than actually helping people who actually need ti for medicinal purposes.

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    1. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by spun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, it should be handled like alcohol and cigarettes, both much more harmful recreational drugs. Here's a news flash, medical marijuana was ALWAYS a back door to legalization because complete legalization, along with subsequent regulation and taxation, is the only legitimate action the government should take regarding such a harmless drug. No one has ever died from pot. No one gets high and starts fights. No one steals to pay for pot. About the worst you can say about it is that it makes dealing with boredom a little too easy.

      I challenge you to find one legitimate reason, backed up by published science, that pot should be illegal.

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    2. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      This article pretty much covers why medical pot is having such a hard time. The cause has been co-opted by people trying to use it as a backdoor to get pot legalized.... It should be prescribed by a doctor for a legit condition and filled by a pharmacy, not by guys growing it in their back yard....

      You have the dynamic exactly backwards. The medical cannabis has had a hard time because the law enforcement-prison industrial complex has refused to treat it according to law and science, seeking to keep it classified as the most dangerous drug in existence (more so that cocaine and heroin!) as a way to maintain criminalization for all uses.

      If federal law and its own regulations were actually followed by the DEA cannabis would be listed as a Schedule V drug (the least restrictive category) rather than Schedule I (the most restrictive) since a commercial preparation of pure THC (Marinol) is listed at only Schedule III. This error in logic, science and law has not, by the way, yet been corrected by the Obama Administration.

      A system of regulated access to cannabis could have been set up 35 years ago, treating it like any other pharmaceutical. But the hide-bound opposition of the happy drug warriors prevented that, leaving grass-root state-by-state initiatives the only option for gaining access. As a side effect of this process, overall acceptance of cannabis use has actually increased and resistance to legalization has decreased as more people have been exposed to this issue, as well as broadly disseminating cannabis cultivation experience among the population.

      The press coverage usually does not acknowledge, by the way, the degree to which the drug enforcement sector of the economy has attempted to circumvent the state initiatives. Despite very misleading claims the cannabis is "almost legal" in California, the fact is state and local prosecutors, and drug police at every level of government have spent years trying to pretend Prop. 215 never passed: declaring that acquiring cannabis according to the law did not protect you from arrest and confiscation of property (you just got to use it as a defense once on trial), arresting people of federal charges as if they were DEA agents, numerous counties refusing to issue the required ID cards etc., etc.

      The net effect of this unrelenting (and self-serving) war on medical cannabis has been to persuade a growing number to people that the only effective protection from harassment by lawless police forces and prosecutors is to go for outright legalization. The drug warriors have left no choice.

    3. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Medical pot has a hard time because it doesnt need to be prefixed with medical in the first place. Nobody says "medical alcohol." But you can bet your ass when I need a painkiller im not going to walk into walmart and get the tylenol - I'm going for a bottle of crown. All the OTC pain killers say "for minor aches and pains." wtf? If my pain was MINOR I wouldnt be in the drugstore looking for pain killers. I'd just deal with my scraped knee or bee sting or headache or whatever..

      Even for people who have chronic pain - there are better alternatives than pot (including alcohol) They go for the pot cuz it has the added benefit of making them feel good and relaxed, which I would argue IS a medical purpose - and everyone that needs to relax *should* be smoking it. Sorry but I'm naturally high strung and I'm at work all day, its fast paced and stressful, then when I get home its time to relax but my brain wont let me - it stays "in work mode." and just will not shut off. My mind races and races. The only thing that keeps me going all day is the fact I know when I get home I am gonna pack my peice and inhale instant relief. Yes, I could go see a doctor about it, but he cant do anything other than write a script for something thats going to cost me a fortune (no insurance) .. .and chances are whatever he gives me will be worse than the bud I was smoking already anyway and will possibly be less effective.

      Cigarettes otoh should be illegal. And better pain killers / muscle relaxers / stress releivers should be made available OTC. I'm in the states and lots of things otc in other places you cant get here. ghb/xanax/opiate-based pain killers to name a few. What would be the harm in having OTC hydrocodone? Because people might abuse it? What do you think people are doing with cough syrup RIGHT NOW? Also, if you wanted to abuse hydrocodone - you could attempt to but they intentionally put this poison in it called tylenol. the tylenol in it will KILL YOU before you ever come close to OD'ing on the hydrocodone itself. btw, google cold water extraction for simple way to remove said poison.

    4. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Co-opted or not, it should be legalized. It should have never been prohibited in the first place, just like alcohol should have never been prohibited in the 20s. It was a very large, costly, and deadly mistake. Everybody loses, except the architects of prohibition at the top of the power pyramid who cash in big time.

      The US now has the highest incarceration rate in the entire world -- even higher than totalitarian regimes such as china -- and this is largely the result of drug prohibition. A very large percentage of those inmates were convicted on non-violent marijuana-related offenses. To lock these people in a cage like animals isn't just inhumane, it's orwellian and reeks of self-interest, rather than community interest (which government claims to serve).

      And let's not turn a blind eye to the violent crime, widespread corruption of law enforcement, and giant misuse of public funding that is a direct result of prohibition.

      If medical marijuana provides the stepping stone to legalization, all the better. To think that you deserve a say in who has the right to use marijuana and who doesn't is just immature and self-centered beyond belief.

    5. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Isn't that challenge akin to proving a negative? Regardless... if a study came out that absolutely gave a reason, would you really believe it? I would bet dollars to doughnuts you wouldn't. It would be waved off as "bogus man".

      The real reason is IMO, they (gov) wouldn't get their cut as any pothead with a grow-light can produce. And since them not getting their cut is PLENTY reason, it is illegal. Note, that would be filed under "Economic Science". You know, the class you skipped so you could go toke in the car. :)

      Ta-da! I'll take my 3 Krispy Kremes now.

    6. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by Da_Biz · · Score: 1

      I realize you may have been staying this to make a point, but "no one" is a bit of an exaggeration.

      That said, it's pretty telling when things like pot are way down on the list of what causes impaired driving. Of course, the top five includes things like lack of sleep, prescription drugs and (shocker) alcohol.

      I don't even recall pot making it into the top 10.

    7. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by spun · · Score: 1

      All I'm looking for is one study showing that pot produces significantly more damage, either personal or social or both, than alcohol. That is nothing like proving a negative.

      As I have seen a number of studies showing the exact opposite, you are right. With just one study, the evidence would still be on my side.

      You can grow tobacco. You can brew beer. A few people do those things as a hobby, but not enough to make any sort of economic impact. And for the record, I've forgotten more about economics than you'll ever know. If your argument is, "it's illegal because everyone can grow it," then you really don't know much about the subject at all.

      Please, for the love of God, send me some of those Krispy Kremes. They closed every single Krispy Kreme in my town.

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    8. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by melikamp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When you're high, you can do everything you normally do just as well – you just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort.

      -Bill Hicks

    9. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by spun · · Score: 1

      Damnit I miss Bill Hicks.

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    10. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by sponga · · Score: 1

      Yep that is 100% correct and I can contest to that.

      Even during our senior year in high school all of us seemed to have our medical marijuana cards even though we couldn't even buy alcohol/cigarettes. Although fake ID's were a lot easier to get back than before 9/11.

      It is bad in Los Angeles County in some areas, you have all these gangsters who see these places as a huge lottery if they get in there. Not only do you get the weed but also lots of cash moving through these places, guys showing up drunk to these places and just general abuse. Far cry from when they first opened and everything was not behind bars like it is these days with the security guard strapped as soon as you walk in.

      I contest I pulled the old *chronic back pain* to get mine, but I didn't renew my card after seeing how much abuse was going on and the real marijuana patients were still getting harassed by the feds.

      If you live in L.A., we are currently at the epicenter(get it?) of the Marijuana controversy. You see the state of California is at odds with the Feds and the District Attorney of Los Angeles, they have been hounding to shut these places down. Well Obama just told the Feds to "cool it" on cracking down on the dispenseries and to respect *STATE LAWS*, the L.A. D.A. still has not cooled off and is trying to take this through the courts.

      Additionally I can get just as good stuff as the dispenseries with 30% less tax on it.

    11. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even for people who have chronic pain - there are better alternatives than pot(including alcohol) They go for the pot cuz it has the added benefit of making them feel good and relaxed, which I would argue IS a medical purpose - and everyone that needs to relax *should* be smoking it.

      Such as? Because opiates aren't a good thing to take all the time, and they can have the same "feel good" side effect. Others get no effect from OTC painkillers such as paracetamol.

    12. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by P0ltergeist333 · · Score: 1

      Anyone ever stop to consider that there might be many more people with chronic pain than anyone realized? Or that many of those people don't go to the doctor for their pain because they know they're going to get an opiate, which does more harm than good? Since pot was decriminalized and made legal for medical purposes in my area, there has been ONE case of someone doing stupid things (and he likely had other issues). On the other hand, EVERY DAY you can look at the police notes in the paper and see idiots doing stupid things while under the influence of alcohol. History has proven that prohibition of widely popular substances does not work. As long as they are not giving cards to juveniles without good reason, (most of whom have not lived long enough to experience the type or amount of injuries that can create a state of chronic pain, which largely limits MM to those that are undergoing chemo or have some other chronic or fatal condition) who cares?

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    13. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have heard this claim before and so I decided to do some research. At this pdf: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p07.pdf page 21 table 10 it lists the incarcerations year end 2005. There were ~1.3 million in state prisons of which ~0.25 million were convicted of drug offenses. Even if we add in ALL burglary then that goes to ~0.38 million or a little less than a 1/3. Now I am not certain what percentage you would consider "very large" but by and large the worst is violent crimes which are just over 1/2. I admit that I have just shown the state populations which are not eveything. The fed statistics are on page 22 table 12. They show an additional ~0.1 million drug offenses. I guess before I wrote this I should have asked what "very large" meant. None the less at least now others might see what the numbers are.

    14. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by masmullin · · Score: 1

      Whether you are going to listen to me or not. The fact is that people get addicted to Marijuana, and the addiction has a negative impact on their lives. It is addictive, the addiction is on par with junk food addiction.

      However, that said,
      1) legalization would lessen the negative impact faced by people.
      2) the addiction is nothing like nicotine/alcohol.
      3) the illegal sale of marijuana has caused crime including murders to occur, legalization would stop the criminal element.
      4) just because some people abuse a substance doesn't mean the substance should be banned from everyone.

      I am pro-legalization of ALL drugs (the worst part of drugs are the dealers), but most especially MJ.

    15. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by spun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hey, I can tell you all about pot addiction. I'm an addict. I also smoke cigarettes and drink coffee. I've also, at one point or another in my life, given up all three for at least a year in each case, so I can compare withdrawal symptoms, and negative versus positive effects.

      You say it's on a par with a junk food addiction. I'd guess that's about right. Comparing it to cigarettes, quitting cold turkey, you will get a lot of the same symptoms. Irritable and maybe some cold like symptoms for three days or so.

      As for the physical harm associated with the addiction, it's probably less than cigarettes or junk food, but more than coffee. Lung damage is the major thing, but cigarettes are far worse in that respect.

      The major negative effect of pot is amotivational syndrome: it makes it far easier to deal with boredom, and therefore one is less likely to get up off one's ass and do something interesting. However, most people, including myself, who turn to pot already have some sort of motivational problems, so it's kind of hard to properly judge cause and effect.

      As far as your bullet points go, I agree. But, and maybe I'm just lucky in this, I've never had to deal with thuggish dealers. They've all been fine, upstanding individuals.

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    16. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by Azheim · · Score: 1

      All I'm looking for is one study showing that pot produces significantly more damage, either personal or social or both, than alcohol.

      http://journals.lww.com/jrnldbp/Abstract/1990/04000/36__and_48_Month_Neurobehavioral_Follow_up_of.3.aspx

      Took me 5 minutes on Google Scholar. Maybe not what you're looking for, but it meets the criteria you've outlined. If I wasn't supposed to be studying Biochem right now I'd try to find you a better one.

    17. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by khayman80 · · Score: 1

      All I'm looking for is one study showing that pot produces significantly more damage, either personal or social or both, than alcohol.

      Took me 5 minutes on Google Scholar. Maybe not what you're looking for, but it meets the criteria you've outlined. If I wasn't supposed to be studying Biochem right now I'd try to find you a better one.

      I don't think anyone's suggesting that pregnant women should smoke pot. Also, studies in Jamaica and elsewhere have long shown that marijuana's effects are less severe than alcohol's.

      Again, I'm in favor of legalization but I don't think pregnant women should drink or smoke pot. But if every drink, intoxicant, food and activity that pregnant women should abstain from was illegal like cannabis is, our laws would be even more ridiculous than they already are...

    18. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by ajlisows · · Score: 1

      As opposed to the amount of Opiods being handed out without a real medical exam for generic things like "Chronic Pain"? Prescription Painkiller abuse is really rampant right now. Hydrocodone/APAP is by far the most prescribed drug in America right now, and I imagine that a great deal of those 127 Million Scripts are not being taken as directed. Oxycodone is also on the list at #20. Hydrocodone is more popular because it is only schedule 3 and refills can be written, but there is still a ton of Percocet out there. I'd much rather see people abusing medical marijuana. Maybe it is possible to get addicted to Marijuana. Maybe there are some mild withdrawal symptoms, but they are nothing compared to withdrawal from Opiate derivitives. And safety? If you aren't getting the really strong stuff like Oxycontin, you are getting a mixture of opioid goodness and toxic acetominophen. A pretty common blend of Hydrocodone/APAP is 7.5mg/750mg. Six of those in a day puts a person over the maximum daily recommended dose of 4000mg of APAP. Constant dosing can be very hard on the liver......and that is the "Safer" part of the Vicodin tablet.

    19. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by unwastaken · · Score: 1

      Co-opted or not, it should be legalized. It should have never been prohibited in the first place, just like alcohol should have never been prohibited in the 20s. It was a very large, costly, and deadly mistake...

      Speaking of alcohol prohibition. Can anyone give a response as to why alcohol prohibition required an amendment, and pot (or any other drug, available by prescription or not) can be prohibited with a simple law?

    20. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by Shihar · · Score: 1

      No, it should be handled like alcohol. It is laughably absurd that a drug like alcohol can be bought anywhere in the US, but pot is illegal. There is no one who can, with a straight face, claim that alcohol is a safer drug than pot. People don't OD on pot, but they sure as shit do in alcohol. Pot does not induce violent rage, but alcohol certainly can. The amount of alcohol it takes to incapacitate a persons judgement is trivial. The physical damage alcohol inflicts upon the body is high. If you do very long term studies on pot, you might find some marginal, slightly elevated, non-lethal health risk. The damage alcohol inflicts on the other hand can be extreme and completely lethal.

      It is absurd beyond all reason that we, as a society, give thumbs up to alcohol consumption, but have to fight a war over pot, which is a clearly lesser drug. All this is coming from a guy who smokes no pot, but certainly enjoys alcohol. You don't have to be a pot head to realize that our estimations of risk are completely fucked up.

    21. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cannabis is not amotivational. Using the wrong strain of cannabis is amotivational.

      Before you think about 'schooling' people on cannabis, get some experience with a large variety of strains. Use each one for about a week to 3 weeks. Some you'll be able to tell in minutes that it's not right for you, others it takes a few weeks.

      Most people should be using Sativa strains. Most Sativa strains take longer to grow than Indica strains. Indica strains also yield heavier. Prohibition makes indicas a good 70% more readily available than sativas.

      Think about it. You have 1 space to grow and it holds 2 plants. What are you going to grow if you're doing it for money on the black market? Obviously you want 2 plants that will produce the most amount of sellable product in the shortest amount of time. That's Indica. Dumb you down, numb your ass out and make you do nothing Indica. Thanks DEA.....

      In my experience.... I have YET to come across anyone that wouldn't benefit from cannabis in one way or another so for those of you who think doctors are 'too frivilous' with their recommendations, I'd say you're seriously undereducated and you probably need to be 'medicated' yourself.

    22. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      Most real stoners eat it not smoke it. Atleast my old friends are that way, Once you cancel out the damage done from smoking it is just mildly detrimental to one's health.

    23. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 1

      Whatever, keep telling yourself that. The statement "No one steals to pay for pot." is fully ridiculous. I have had plenty of potheads steal from me. I am not sure exactly what they used the money for but buying pot seems a likely possibility.

      I am not sure whether pot should be legalised. But one thing I am sure of is that the dumbass potheads that are abusing the medical marijuana laws are making a lot of people in California regret they ever voted for those laws. In fact these potheads have very clearly proven the detractors of the law correct. So yes, good luck with those legalization efforts, but your own dumbass behaviour is your own worst enemy.

      By the way, you should be careful what you are saying. If you say medical marijuana was always a back door for legalization, then people will refuse to vote for the medical merijuana laws and the few people that actually need marijuana for medical purposes will suffer. But then again you are a pot smoker, so obviously you cannot think that far ahead.

    24. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 1

      The argument that alcohol causes much more damage than illegal drugs is faulty. The reason that alcohol is documented to cause damage is that it is very easily detected in the blood. It is much trickier and more expensive to detect other drugs. For that reason the police test every person involved in a car accident (even the dead ones) for alcohol but they do not do that for other drugs. I bet that a lot of those alcohol related accidents were also related to other drugs.

    25. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by conureman · · Score: 1

      Acetaminophen always made me queasy, then I looked it up in the P.D.R; I can't believe that shit is legal. Avoid it. Really. And DON'T Take it when you have a hangover. It WILL destroy you. As our chickenshit doctors kowtow to our Evil Overlords, I dread my next week's root-canal experience, knowing that, once again, I will be forced to endure days of needless pain. I am going to experiment with grapefruit, so that I just might be able to ingest a useful dose of the opiate without suffering a lethal dose of Acetaminophen. Wish me luck.

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    26. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by spun · · Score: 1

      Why so angry?

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    27. Re:And this is why medical pot has a hard time by conureman · · Score: 1

      My friend, Bob (Unix, not MS), was forbidden by the judge to mention his medical condition or doctor's recommendation when he was tried in Sacramento for cultivating his personal garden. My observation is that people in the "criminal justice" careers have a much lower per-capita level of law compliance and observance than average human-types. Also if you read the text of Prop. 215, you may notice that it does not lend itself to legal interpretation as much as a common-sense one, hence the courts have had a field day re-defining the meanings of the words.

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  18. Ghetto bong by Tibia1 · · Score: 1

    A bong made out of household items (such as water bottle and makeshift bowlpiece), or "ghetto bong" can create unwanted smoke that could be bad for you and is unnecessary in getting high. My friend once smoked a ghetto bong with a foil bowl piece and got thick yellow smoke, which after inhaling resulted in vomiting and probably other bad things. Therefore it is not recommended to use ghetto bongs unless in dire circumstances. Sure, my friend was laughing through his tears he was so baked, but I don't think it was very good for him.

    1. Re:Ghetto bong by iamhigh · · Score: 1

      Well, you were doing it wrong. I don't know how, but you were. Also, use an apple next time... might get some vitamins with it!

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    2. Re:Ghetto bong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it really helps to have a cone piece. the screw pieces from a pipe work fine. find some garden hose, a bottle sized to personal preference, and thats it. i guess the alfoil cone was causing heating of the stem and that might have been making the toxic gases which caused your friend to spew.

  19. Think you might have... by Petersko · · Score: 3, Informative

    "oh, God there's a whole universe in my thumbnail man."

    Think you might have mistaken marijuana for mushrooms.

    Now if you were staring at your thumbnail, and suddenly realized you didn't know WHY you were staring at said thumbnail... now THAT'S marijuana.

    1. Re:Think you might have... by natehoy · · Score: 1

      My bad. Never tried either. :)

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    2. Re:Think you might have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now if you were staring at your thumbnail, and suddenly realized you didn't know WHY you were staring at said thumbnail... now THAT'S marijuana.

      Mushrooms would be more like staring at your thumbnail and not CARING why you're staring at it, just knowing that, at that moment, it's the single funniest thing you've ever set eyes on.

      At least that's been my experience. I've never understand the "hallucinogen" thing. Mushrooms just make everything unbelievably, gut-wrenchingly, ROFLMAOingly funny.

    3. Re:Think you might have... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One night I may have had WAYYY too much pot for my experience level at the time (zero). This was a newbie mistake I haven't yet repeated BUT:

      I swear, no lies, I watched my one buddy's face MELT OFF. At that point I decided this was going to be a baaad evening and got away from all human contact until the next day. I did have a couple more hallucinations before it was over.... the next day I had thee worst motherfucking hangover I've ever had, and I suspect I may have still been slightly high while at work. Longest day of my life.

      Anyway, I have hallucinated on weed, which, from what I can gather, is extremely rare. However, I have been able to read up (erowid.org) a couple of similair nightmare pot trips.

      Some have suggested it was laced. But the others who had also smoked, said it was fine.

    4. Re:Think you might have... by rbrander · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's your sig I'm going to argue about. The Holocaust body count exceeds Jonestown by some four orders of magnitude. (918 vs nearly 9 million - or more than 9 million if you just blame them for all deaths in WW2).

      Arguably, there ARE some IT projects that hold more than 918 lives in their digital fingers. But I have to admit, "drinking the kool-aid" is no more likely to come up in a discussion of aircraft or nuclear plant control systems than it is for a web development environment.

    5. Re:Think you might have... by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 1

      Get off my lawn, punk.

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  20. Missing an opportunity for synergy... by MiniMike · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They should also make this person the restaurant critic!

    1. Re:Missing an opportunity for synergy... by DeskLazer · · Score: 1

      s/he would then say every restaurant was absolutely amazing, but couldn't tell you why. or they'd say "it's like the french fries are like, partying in my mouth, but it's like a birthday party, maaaan." not so good for reviews.

  21. agreed,with an addendum by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    there's nothing placebo going on with marijuana's proven ability to stimluate appetite. for many wasting diseases, such as cancer, this is a godsend. and of course marijuana relieves stress, which is an issue for anyone facing a major disease

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    1. Re:agreed,with an addendum by blhack · · Score: 1

      Like I said, I'm a huge medical marijuana advocate. My point with the placebo thing was that the argument about marijuana providing any measurable, predictable, beneficial effects is moot; it's helping people and at no cost to anyone else. That is all that matters.

      My point is that people fighting to have marijuana treated as a medical substance should not be reviewing it as if it is a recreational one.

      If this was a laboratory study that sought to find the specific THC concentration of each strain, that would be fine; what this sounds like is a bunch of recreational marijuana users reviewing their plant. It is counterproductive.

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  22. Hi I wanted to apply for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... the hookers and blow Reviewer position.

    Heres my essay :
    What hookers and blow mean to me and how they changed my life.

    I just wanna party, which naturally only works with blow and women. Since hookers are not considered human I can have sex with em in front of a mirror and try to hunt 'em down with a chainsaw.

    So In conclusion I have to say that I love hookers and blow.

    I do not know how to build bongs BUT i can make lines on any surface.

  23. Schedule 1 Status by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 2, Informative

    The root of the problem is that pot is still a schedule 1 drug.

    This means it is "highly addictive with no medicinal value".

    Until you get it reclassified, nothing can be done on the federal level in the US.

    The British removed it from their equivalent scale last year.

    Mexico recently changed their possession laws to match those of Amsterdam.

    Bet you didn't hear that on the 6 O'clock news.

    1. Re:Schedule 1 Status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The British (well the ones in the political tree) put it back in to the scale. The problem... one of the problems.... one of the many problems I see is the consistant view that cannabis has consistantly the same effect on individuals and that that effect is consistant across the different species of cannabis plant. The effects of cannabis sativa is a world away from cannabis indica as are the addictive properties..

    2. Re:Schedule 1 Status by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love marijuana, even though I've been forced to take extremely harmful anti-psychotic drugs by the government for years because I used to smoke it. I dream of the day I can get high without being condemned by family and friends and abused by government institutions. I live in Australia. I read on www.reuters.com that if things keep going the way they are it will be legal in 10 years in the US. I can only hope and pray!

  24. yeah, right by aepervius · · Score: 1

    exactly like other legal drug, ethanol and nicotine are administrated ?

    The simple matter of fact is that THC is as dangerous as the other aforementionned poison. But it is culturally OK to poison yourself with alcohol (a bit less accepted for smoking) but less or downright not culturally accepted to smoke pot. There is NO REASON whatsoever to have one prescribed and the other free for sale in supermarket.

    That said, I do not consume either of those 3. But I dislike the hypocrysis people show when they want to forbid one but allow the others.

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  25. Drugs are bad, mmkay? by Golddess · · Score: 1

    Anyone else (of the few who don't use adblock or the likes) happen to see an anti-drug ad just below the story?

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  26. Two Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    REEFER MADNESS!!!!!!!!!

  27. Learn how to distill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do a search and just spend the $50 for a properly designed vaporizer where the stuff stays at room temperature until right before it's in your lungs, as you inhale heated air through it at the business end of 3 foot tube with a knob to modulate current. Basically the setup should be a tube, with a heating element at the intake, just below the green stuff, which is at the bottom of the part of the tube (the whip) that you briefly connect. Required current varies by strain, somewhat annoying.... well not really.... come to think of it.

    A light bulb would be useful only if you could break the glass and inhale air directly heated by the filament to draw out your *ahem* distillate. Maybe a tungsten filament can survive operating at a steady state temp far above 200 C with an occasional blast of 20% oxygen cooling it down; but it would have to at least be visibly glowing a bit. Usually the air is heated by hot ceramic. Don't make the mistake of baking the stuff, and collecting it onto a cooler surface as a brown gooey mess. That film of goo should have gone straight into your lungs.... well not really.... come to think of it.

  28. Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Dave's not here, man."

  29. Entrapment!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news, the FBI recently caught thousands of potheads in a fake job posting for the same job.

  30. Introducing the programme in the UK by thestjohn · · Score: 1

    I'm UK based, and our only medical marijuana programme is the use of the synthetic variants such as Marinol, which doesn't do anywhere near as good a job of relieving pain. It's a Class-B drug here, so it's not technically illegal to prescibe it as a doctor as it does have medicinal value, but I imagine there are other regulatory roadblocks to doing that. Which is a shame, because I know people who have tried Marinol for their pain and found it wanting, but when introduced to a vaporiser and some good bud they can get a few hours relief. When you can see a cancer patient smile because they've attenuated their pain without having to reach for the opiates, it just beggars belief that the UK government won't try something like the approach they use in some US states. Hell, the UK government even admits they grow some good shit for research purposes.

  31. The need for reviews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This user works at a medical cannabis dispensary in California. I understand how it may seem ridiculous that cannabis needs "reviewers", considering what we already all know about recreational use. The fact is however, that the types of cannabis vary immensely, and the effects of the different strains vary as well. It becomes a big deal when you're working with patients to target and relieve a specific symptom, while providing them the maximum functionality of their normal lives, a minimum of unwanted side effects. The technical knowledge of the plant goes pretty deep too, and new crosses are created every day so its something you have to keep up with. The plant varies genetically and chemically, with quite significant differences. The effects of cannabis are due to not one, but hundreds of different compounds called cannabinoids, and some are found only in one plant or another, in varying quantities, and these change the effects. For example, the genetic type sativa is of a stimulating nature, rarely provides significant pain relief, stimulates rather than sedates, and can cause anxiety in people prone to it (and it can get severe- panic attacks etc). Pain/insomnia/anxiety patients avoid sativas, depression/fibromyalgia/add/social disorder patients find help from sativas. The Indica genetic type is generally more potent than sativa, usually provides strong pain relief, is sedative- this is the couchlock stoned stuff, a sativa smoker who smokes at work/during the day (yeah people smoke at work, its quite common, you probably have stoned coworkers you dont notice) could not focus and would feel sleepy with an indica. On top of that, each patient is affected slightly differently and has their own preferences and dislikes, and the same strain can vary in potency, taste, and slight differences in effect depending on how it was grown. Thats touching lightly on the differences. Combine that with the fact that most patients dont know these things, and your average dispensary stocks 20+ different types with undescriptive names, and you have a real need for people to test these and inform the patients about them before they buy and are dissapointed. I dont condone putting out ads in the paper for things like this though- we like to be discreet, it avoids problems in the long run, and ensures the real sick patients still have access to what helps them. The cannabis community has established very effective ways of getting that help online, where its not in the middle of what Joe the plumber is reading over breakfast.

    1. Re:The need for reviews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im sorry for the brick of text, my formatting disappeared.
      I also feel compelled to post anonymously, as recently the wonderful city I live in has threatened to raid my business and home. The Los Angeles city attorney is threatening to shut down all dispensaries as I type, on grounds that our product is imported from Mexico.
      The irony, is that if they informed the community about a dispensary selling mexican cartel crapweed, the community would be all over it with protests and force them to leave. Much easier to point fingers than to actually go after the cartels.

  32. California Cannabis Initiative dot ORG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are a registered california voter or are able to register as a voter in California.... PLEASE head on over to http://californiacannabisinitiative.org so you can download, print and sign the petition and mail it in.

    If you can.... PLEASE VOLUNTEER as this initiative will offer the most freedoms but doesn't have the funding the wrong initiatives do. This initiative will release cannabis prisoners and create new jobs and industries around hemp/cannabis.

    By the way..... If you're in any way negative about cannabis or hemp you need to check your facts. Chances are you'll find you don't have any to back up your opinions. Please do the research on a subject before 'talking' about it to other people or 'forming an opinion' on it.

  33. I crave that .... id! by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    Want to trade your id with mine for a bag of exotic spices ? ... apparantly ID's are going on the market lately ... I could earn a lot of money with an ID like yours ;)

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    1. Re:I crave that .... id! by spun · · Score: 1

      It is when I post in stories like this that certain people think, "oh, THAT'S what he means by spun." And then they giggle to themselves. Of course, they are wrong. Spun stands for 'Seth: Perfect Unix Nerd.' Really. I'm totally serious.

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  34. Now I see the need .. by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    Unix

    Now I see the need of using marijuana ;)

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  35. Marijuana v. Mushrooms by Cassander · · Score: 1

    "oh, God there's a whole universe in my thumbnail man."

    Think you might have mistaken marijuana for mushrooms.

    Now if you were staring at your thumbnail, and suddenly realized you didn't know WHY you were staring at said thumbnail... now THAT'S marijuana.

    You know, a small subset of the population actually does react to marijuana that strongly. My wife is one of them (and yes, she has experience with stronger stuff like mushrooms too, so she knows what she's talking about).

    Personally, I'm rather disappointed by most illicit drugs. Hollywood told me they would have a much stronger effect. I've tried alcohol, marijuana, mushrooms, acid, opium, ecstasy, cocaine, speed, and DMT, and not one of them made me actually lose control of myself or hallucinate in such a way that I couldn't easily differentiate it from reality. I still haven't tried some of the more exotic hallucinogens (like peyote), but I strongly suspect they won't be much different from mushrooms/acid.

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  37. Re:going places by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't Datura considered Entheogenic? I'm not into that stuff, but I did happen to try some of that Salvia that the kids are abusing. The visual effects were most interesting! Going to meet the Goddess is not high on my to-do list, I won't be going back there soon.

  38. Bezerkley Daze by conureman · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I used to get that, especially the one about "no-one's going to get you out of bed in the morning to go to work." One of my favorite old bosses would come by every morning with a steaming cup of Peet's, to see if I was busy.

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  39. Re:going places by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

    Just about anything could be considered "entheogenic" if you are using it for a religious/spiritual purpose. A function of intended use, rather than the properties of the drug itself...

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  40. Good God you 4-digit Methuselah!!! by Xaedalus · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This is the fifth time today I've seen you posting today. What awful purpose could possibly have driven you out from your dark hoary crypt? The stars aren't even right yet!

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    1. Re:Good God you 4-digit Methuselah!!! by spun · · Score: 1

      This is the fifth time today I've seen you posting today. What awful purpose could possibly have driven you out from your dark hoary crypt? The stars aren't even right yet!

      I've run out of munchies. RAAAH! Stoner needs food, badly!

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