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Developing Nations Crippled By Broadband Costs

eldavojohn writes "If you live in the EU, you probably enjoy low broadband costs. If you live in Finland, it's even a legal right. If you live in the US, you probably pay a moderate cost. But if you live in the developing world, a UNCTAD report paints your picture pretty grim. Ridiculously high bandwidth costs are inhibiting developing nations from enjoying productive use of the internet — like online banking and market tools."

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  1. Development crippled by what? by CraftyJack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Broadband access, of course. I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.

    1. Re:Development crippled by what? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Yeah..don't forget food and shelter too.

      "Hey, Unbooboo....I'm starving, naked and wet....but, man, I'm getting like 10 Mbit download speeds!!"

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    2. Re:Development crippled by what? by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Broadband access, of course. I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.

      Like many information technologies, broadband access reduces the cost and increases the usefulness of basic utilities: Online security with encryption and properly-designed systems can be faster, more tamper-proof, and has better fraud-prevention than traditional security practices (such as checks). Access to medical care is also improved by Broadband access, allowing doctors to telecommute, and rapidly research and connect with collegues who may be in remote locations. Clean drinking water, even, can be helped by broadband access -- the distribution of knowledge on how to build low-cost water purification systems. For example... a clear glass bottle and a cotton filter can clean water from many sources because UV light can sanitize the water.

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    3. Re:Development crippled by what? by vlm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For example... a clear glass bottle and a cotton filter can clean water from many sources because UV light can sanitize the water.

      Yes, for example, given wikipedia access, they could learn that regular window glass blocks pretty much all UV below 300 nm. You'd be better off simply placing an uncovered tray in the sunlight... Probably in a decade or two, solar powered hard-UV "flashlights" will revolutionize water purification, but just not quite yet.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet#Natural_sources_of_UV

      This discussion is a good example of how the average user spends most of their time online discussing urban legends and porn surfing, frankly, primarily the latter.

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    4. Re:Development crippled by what? by vertinox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Broadband access, of course. I'd imagine that narrowly edged out security, stability, access to medical care, and clean drinking water.

      Strangely enough, Somalia is touted to have one of the most advanced telecommunications industry in Africa.

      Apparently when there is no corrupt government (or any government worth mentioning) or regulatory body (FCC) then people just put up their own cell phone towers and wireless networks with little regard to the previous system.

      Of course during the anarchy most of the copper why was torn down and sold as scrap by looters so wireless was the only alternative and many of the warlords and pirates were keen on having cell phone access to speak with people internationally so they had some high bankroll early adopters.

      That said... Between the angry warlords and Islamic militias... I wouldn't move there for the wireless and broad band systems.

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    5. Re:Development crippled by what? by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stories about developing nations always invite these silly comments. The fact is, economic development is always very closely tied to the ability to communicate. Always has been. And developing nations are not going to go through every obsolete technology (pony express, telegraph, manually switched copper network...) that we did; there is no economic basis for doing so. You could argue they should get a cellphone network before Internet, but these days they are one in the same.

    6. Re:Development crippled by what? by Neoprofin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's silly unless you've ever been to a developing nation (let's take India) that has an absolutely incredible cell phone network, cheap internet access, and frequently undrinkable water and large families living in homes pieced together from old sheet metal. Yes I think everyone should be able to enjoy Youtube, but I think they should be able to enjoy a stable electrical grid and drinkable water first.

    7. Re:Development crippled by what? by TheSync · · Score: 2, Informative

      The solution to hunger, as I am aware of, has never been to give them a computer. It's typically been to give them food and a source to make/grow/manufacture/whatever their own food.

      Or perhaps get rid of the lame government (which may mean getting rid of the lame culture that supports the lame government).

      As Amartya Sen pointed out "No famine has ever taken place in the history of the world in a functioning democracy."

    8. Re:Development crippled by what? by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wait a minute, India is the model you don't want to emulate in other countries? Their economic growth has been incredible, and competition from India strikes fear into the hearts of many slashdotters. Nothing is going to solve poverty in a huge country like India overnight, but they are on the right track.

    9. Re:Development crippled by what? by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      At the end of a gun barrel/tip of a sword is how most legitimate governments have established themselves. That's how we did it.

    10. Re:Development crippled by what? by pkphilip · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The OP has a point though.

      I am an Indian and I reside in India.

      Yes, you are right in that India's growth has been incredible - by purchasing power parity, India's GDP is the 4th largest in the world ahead of Germany, Russia, UK etc.. And even now the GDP growth rate is very strong.

      But let us look at some other statistics - though we are listed 4th in the world in GDP (by PPP), our per capita income is listed 142nd in the world. That means though India has grown so much, the majority of the population is still very poor. This goes to mean that the rich in India have gotten incredibly rich while the poor have remained very poor or have actually become poorer.

      So while we have Rolls Royce, Ferrari and Lamborghini showrooms in India, there are poor people who live just a block away who don't even have access to clean water or basic sanitation.

      This leads me to think that there are some serious problems with the Indian approach to economic growth - and so I wouldn't exactly be thrilled with other countries trying to emulate our model of growth.

      Having said that - I must say that the Indian government has done a lot over the past decade or so to address the problems faced by the poor. But it is a huge problem - and not something that can be addressed or resolved quickly.

      Coming to the whole point of this slashdot post - about whether broadband access will turn things around in developing nations - well, the whole premise behind that statement is that it is the lack of adequately advanced technology/science which is leading to poverty. I don't think that assertion is valid.

      We can access all sorts of technology in India, but that is not removing the poverty here. So the problem lies elsewhere and broadband is most likely not the solution.

  2. The solution... by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Pigeon net. Apparently a carrier pigeon is faster as well.

    1. Re:The solution... by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wouldn't really call it faster for anything mentioned in TFS because of the fact that while you can get a lot of data really fast via pigeon there is terrible latency.

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  3. Heres the thing... by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here is the thing, in developing and third-world nations the infrastructure simply isn't there. Most of the time their countries are located in hostile terrain, either they are isolated by mountains, the sea, have extreme climates, have a corrupt government that doesn't want to help its people, or the people simply live in remote areas. Just look at rural America, there are lots of places where the best you can get is cell phone internet speeds, and a lot of these people live just a mile or two outside of a town. Think of how bigger of a challenge this is where you have people who live many miles from any major town, are dirt poor, and you have to cross hostile terrain. Thats how its like in most of these countries.

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  4. 'cause what the developing world desperately needs by nuckfuts · · Score: 3, Interesting

    is online banking.

  5. This is undertandable... by bogaboga · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...You know why? Because for most developing nations, entire major cities are unplanned (read unmapped).

    All they do when one is looking for directions is to say something to the effect..."Just near that big tower...behind the "Kofeko" market.

    And I know because I am originally from one of those developing nations. The concept of an address does not exist. In fact, I had to think hard and ask my family what I should put on the visa application forms as an address before coming to these United States.

    Nuff said.

  6. Developing Nations Crippled by Road Costs by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is news? Basic transport is a more important aspect to everyday life in these places. They are not going to have well-planned highway systems or electrical grids. And you want broadband? Build roads, water pipelines, sewer systems and power lines first. Then you can focus on broadband.

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  7. The term you are looking for is. . . by JSBiff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the term you are looking for is Economy of Scale.

    In this case, in the African nations, the cost of Infrastructure and transport to other Internet connected companies is both relatively large (because of a large geographical area that infrastructure has to be deployed to), and has to be shared by a fairly small population of customers. Even if you tried to 'scale up' in Africa, by lowering the cost, there are many people so utterly poor they could not even afford the equivalent of $5/mo for Internet access. That's not to say African nations don't have wealthy people, but as a friend of mine from Nigeria described it to me, there is essentially no middle class in Nigeria (and I think that might be fairly typical of most of Africa) - you have people who are well connected with the government, oil companies, etc, and are rich, and then you have destitute poor people who are exploited by the rich.

    Without a middle class, there's no way the ISP's in Africa can get the economies of scale necessary to make broadband cheaper (and, you know, if the only people who can afford your product are the rich, what is your business incentive to make it cheaper? To a rich person, making hundreds of thousands (or millions) of dollars a year, $500/mo is 'affordable', and to the poor, $20/mo is 'unaffordable', so why *try* to get broadband down to $20 or $30/mo? In 1st world nations, the pressure to get the price down is that, even though you might reduce your price by, say, 10 percent per month per subscriber, you have a possibility that you might increase the total number of subscribers by 20 percent oor 30 percent, meaning you actually make more money. Not so in Africa.

  8. cellphones replace much of this in Africa... by kj_kabaje · · Score: 2, Informative

    That'd be why telecos are gearing up for big business including cellular banking in Africa http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0826/p07s01-woaf.html.

  9. Don't have banking? News to me. by quietwalker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I write software for banks for a living. Web, mobile, voice, atm, teller, whatever. As far as my industry has indicated, these developing nations rely on cell phones for the majority of their banking, and anyone with enough money to care about banking will likely use a cell phone for that purpose - at least for common daily usage. There are people out there who have to rely on a hand-crank generator or pay a vendor to charge their phone - they have no access to electricity, but you'll note, they STILL have a cell phone.

    Even in developing nations, cell phones are incredibly pervasive.

  10. Re:'cause what the developing world desperately ne by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Informative

    Once you've got the basic stuff covered

    Let's let them get that covered first, then, shall we? Can you give me an example of a "developing nation" that has the basics covered adequately?

    I think it's kinda funny that the wikipedia entry mentions that many "developing" countries don't like the term "developing nation" because it implies they aren't "developed." Hmmm. I wonder who in the country doesn't like that - the poor that are starving to death, or the rich that seemingly are keeping the country poor by their greed and careless attitude towards the people.

    Or that "Cuba" (the nation?) has decided not to follow the "Western model." Yeah, no kidding. I'm sure the entire country is happy with their model and Castro is in power because the people/nation as a whole like him there...

  11. Re:'cause what the developing world desperately ne by ap7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Being dismissive is easy. But online banking improves productivity, especially in rural areas where banks cannot afford to set up branches to serve a few customers. Online banking also eliminates the need to go to the bank. Simply visit the cybercafe and conduct transactions. It is not the luxury that people make it out to be, once they realize how useful it can be.

    It is the same with cellphones - they were a luxury earlier. But now, they are necessities in rural areas too. Run a search for Reuters Market Light to see how they have made the cellphone a way of helping farmers earn more money and improve crop production.

    Better availability of broadband can open up a new world for rural communities, give them better access to information. There is nothing wrong with striving for better broadband. Other basic needs and the internet are not mutually exclusive.

  12. Re:Came to say this by tabrnaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    um, aren't there still poor people who don't get food or basic medical services in 'developed' nations like the USA? One thing that all nations have in common is that if you have the money, you'll have access to those luxuries. Though i do have to say that in canada you can get food and medical services for free, hell in vancouver you can get your junk for free.

  13. In Thailand by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the phone and stringing wire and cable costs more because of the climate, the ground tends to flood a lot and won't hold the poles, and the economy is so bad that the technology costs a lot.

    My Thai in-laws had ISDN 128K BPS speed but paid a lot for it, and only had the USB interface to it. I wondered why they didn't have DSL or Cable modems, but it seems ISDN is cheaper and uses the ordinary phone lines.

    Most Thai people have cell phones because the land near them won't take on ordinary phone lines and cell phones are cheaper than the land based phone. But something like an iPhone or Blackberry costs them like $900USD or almost 30,000 Thai Bhat. Not because they are being price gouged, but because the economy is so bad that technology costs more there. The cost of computers, game consoles, cell phones, DVD players, TV sets, etc are all high because of that. But food and clothes are cheap because they are not technology based and produced by native farms and companies. The technology made by native companies is usually cheaper than technology from foreign companies, but the iPhone, Blackberry, etc are all foreign made.

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    1. Re:In Thailand by Hadlock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You pay less for your Texas made beer, pasta, and bread because it cost less to ship it to the store than say beer, pasta, and bread made in Missouri out of state because of shipping costs added to the price.

      What? no. I pay 50% MORE for locally produced foods. Due to the completely out of whack ideals, local food is considered gourmet, and is therefore more expensive. Also the cost of labor is something like 5x as high, making it more expensive to produce than food harvested by what is essentially indentured servitude slaves in 3rd world countries.

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  14. Content Bloat Management by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just get rid of unnecessary graphics on their webpages and they don't really need "full" broadband. Most of the stuff moving over the web is useless eye-candy or gimmicky JavaScript junk. To do basic stuff requires very little bandwidth (by today's standards) if they simply design web-pages right.

    True, international commerce-related info may still be bloated. I've been pondering the idea of a graphics-off-friendly browser addon. Most pages can be browsed with the graphics off if one could choose which graphics to keep activated, such as "image" buttons. Once you mark a page appropriately, then it either only loads those graphics you previously selected as necessary (usually for navigation), or gets them from cache.
         

  15. Key word: "Productive" by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The point here isn't the irony of delivering broadband to lost pygmy tribes with no indoor plumbing.

    Hasn't anyone noticed that to use the internet efficiently for even mundane tasks it requires more and more processing power and bandwith? I wouldn't pay for broadband either, since I rarely use the web for video, gaming or large image downloads -- I could easily get by with dial-up and my PowerBook G4. Heck, I was using a circa 1998 Thinkpad two years ago. But both machines became an increasing hassle to use even for basic browsing of primarily text sites due to the ton of gimmicky overhead in the form of useless bells and whistles and un-optimized content.

    I agree that people in the 3rd world probably have larger priorities than high-speed internet. But certainly the internet is a tool that they could benefit from, and the sad fact of the matter is that without high-speed, an increasing portion of the internet is functionally inaccessible. That is a legitimately dire state of affairs, IMO.

  16. Re:Kleptocracy and Western Do-Goodism by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    its very nearly as bad to overpopulate the countryside, forcing unemployed & landless citizens to hang around shantytowns, living in poverty, getting AIDS, joining a criminal gang and/or whatever the local revolutionary militia is this month.

    Africa has a smaller population than Europe, and a larger land area than Europe.

    In other words, it's not overpopulated by a long way.

    The poverty in Africa has many causes, mostly to do with what passes for government in much of Africa. But overpopulation isn't the issue.

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