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Nintendo Announces DSi XL

lbalbalba writes "This morning, Nintendo announced the third upgrade to the DS family, the DSi LL (or DSi XL). It will be released in Japan on November 21, one year after the DSi debuted, for ¥20,000 (approx. $220). The LL's main improvement is the size of its screens, which have been increased from 3.25" to 4.2" with a moderate increase to the size of the chassis. The device also includes a much bigger stylus, which looks to be the size of a ballpoint pen, and battery life has reportedly been increased to five hours at maximum screen brightness."

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  1. After reading the tech specs I can see by MilesTails · · Score: 5, Funny

    It prints free money for nintendo.

    1. Re:After reading the tech specs I can see by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It prints free money for nintendo.

      You jest, but that's exactly right.

      The target market for this DS is big and growing. Older people (parents, etc) find the current DS line with screens that are too small - now Nintendo sees a huge market for large screens and less agile hands.

      Nintendo's no longer just a "kiddy" company - their products are aimed at everyone, particularly non-gamers. Nintendo might not win the console wars, but they'll infiltrate the homes of everyone else.

    2. Re:After reading the tech specs I can see by thule · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nintendo's no longer just a "kiddy" company - their products are aimed at everyone, particularly non-gamers. Nintendo might not win the console wars, but they'll infiltrate the homes of everyone else.

      I think their products have been aimed at everyone for a long time. Look how many NES' Nintendo shipped (over 60 million). Tetris on the Gameboy was HUGE! Nintendo sold over 100 million Gameboys. The original Mario Brothers was an arcade like game that worked with two players. Their products are not aimed at "non-gamers". Their products are designed to *create* gamers. Maybe not the gamers the "hardcore" or the "game industry" thinks of (M-rated of course), but gamers none-the-less.

    3. Re:After reading the tech specs I can see by node+3 · · Score: 3, Informative

      On the other hand, Nintendo's profits fell by over 50% last quarter over the same quarter last year. Additionally, the PS3 outsold the Wii in September in the US, taking the top spot in console sales.

      To read Slashdot, you'd think Nintendo is experiencing exponential profits growth, and the Xbox 360 outsells the PS3 10-to-1.

    4. Re:After reading the tech specs I can see by aussie_a · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, you're right. They are winning. As much as I dismiss the Wii (I like to play turn-based RPGs. Not that many/any on the Wii), it has surpassed both the Xbox360 and the PS3.

      I wonder what this means for the future of gaming.

    5. Re:After reading the tech specs I can see by Toonol · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The PS3 had a short-term spike due to the introduction of a new model. It has since dropped back down to below the Wii. The pertinent question is whether the new PS3 model will be able to continue outselling the 360.

      Not knocking the PS3, it's a great console; but neither Sony or MS come close to approaching Nintendo's success this gen.

    6. Re:After reading the tech specs I can see by BakaHoushi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Only due to a deliberate decision by Nintendo to *not* increase production."

      Which was a smart idea. To increase production would have required an additional factory. When they finally DO meet demand, they'd simply have an extra factory to maintain and lost money in building it. Their decision cost them an immediate access to the demand but secured a steady revenue stream for years.

      No matter how "hardcore" gamers view Nintendo, it's hard to not respect their business savvy.

    7. Re:After reading the tech specs I can see by Cornflake917 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To read Slashdot, you'd think Nintendo is experiencing exponential profits growth, and the Xbox 360 outsells the PS3 10-to-1.

      I thinking you must read a different slashdot than I do. There is a rather substantial anti-MS crowd here that talk down the 360 every chance they get. It's more like this:

      Wii: The Jesus of consoles.
      360: A machine that does nothing except RROD.
      PS3: Sony installs rootkits on your computer!!!

  2. Price by Ceiynt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When your portable costs more then your home system, something is wrong with your pricing path.

    1. Re:Price by SomeJoel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When your portable costs more then your home system, something is wrong with your pricing path.

      Yes, since laptops have never cost more than desktops.

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    2. Re:Price by Avalain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or maybe your portable is more popular than your home system?

    3. Re:Price by Ceiynt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Laptops are expected to be able to do the SAME thing as your desktop though(with the exception of high end current games), in portable form. Take the same tech and shrink it, it will cost more.

    4. Re:Price by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When your portable costs more then your home system, something is wrong with your pricing path.

      To be fair, the DSi is cheaper than a Wii. This is the 'premium' edition for those who want it to look a little nicer cosmetically.

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    5. Re:Price by Tarlus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that the DS is far from being capable of the same things as modern consoles. A laptop could be set up to run a 64-bit OS with 8 gigs of RAM, store a half terabyte of data and render DX11-level graphics smoothly at 1280x800 or higher, which is what many full-sized desktops are used for today. Expensive, yes.

      The DS, on the other hand, is running substantially weaker hardware than current consoles, with graphical capabilities roughly on-par with the Nintendo 64. From a technical perspective, that falls pretty far short of the major consoles.

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    6. Re:Price by Labcoat+Samurai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the Wii isn't exactly very powerful either. Even if the DS is only as powerful as the N64, it's still only one generation weaker than the Wii, which is basically a Gamecube with a fancy controller.

  3. Demand? by hansamurai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm wondering where the demand for this was? It's not like they're increasing the resolution and now the DS size history has gone from its original size, shrunk down to the Lite version, then the DSi came out which was comparable to the Lite, and now they're making it larger than the original DS with the XL.

    But Nintendo usually knows what they're doing, as long as they don't color it red and require it be strapped to your face, that is.

    1. Re:Demand? by Ceiynt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hope they realized that a large portion of gamers don't all have tiny Japanese school girl hands? Even with my original DS, it can be a hand cramper to hold when using the stylus and playing.

    2. Re:Demand? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's for the old people they introduced to gaming with the Wii. Now they have a handheld they can see with their aging eyes, and probably a larger stylus they can grasp with their arthritic hands. If you spend a lot of time in doctor's waiting rooms, these things come in handy.

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    3. Re:Demand? by Princeofcups · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not to mention that my old eyes are going. It's getting hard to tell a pikachu apart from an electabuzz.

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    4. Re:Demand? by Buelldozer · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'll get off your lawn Sir.

  4. Makes sense by Weedhopper · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The one person who uses his NDS Lite more than any other person I know is my 63 year old father. He likes to play all those brain games as well as card/puzzle games and those My Language Coach series. His only complaint - the size of the screen and the size of the stylus.

    Nintendo knows EXACTLY what they're doing. Giving "casual" gamers exactly what they want.

  5. Its a great option for geriatric gamers by grapeape · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nintendo has been trying to broaden its market with handhelds the same way that they have with the Wii. Games like brain age, professor layton and the Personal Trainer series appeal to and older crowd but the small screen size can make it rather limited. My mother for instance loves her DS but constantly complains about the text being too small or icons being indistinguishable, a larger screen size would be great for her. Based on the included bundle that appears to be the audience they are going for...smart idea IMHO.

  6. Larger screen but same resolution? by Avalain · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the comments that came out from people reviewing the PSP Go was that the screen looked "sharper" because it was smaller with the same resolution as the PSP 3000. Wouldn't this just have the opposite effect for the DSi? As it is the DSi has a rather low resolution and I'd be worried that increasing the screen size will just make games "bigger and uglier". I'm skeptical that this is going to do anything but highlight the shortfalls of the system; it being both the oldest and the slowest architecture on the market.

    1. Re:Larger screen but same resolution? by Toonol · · Score: 2, Informative

      16 megs instead of 4 megs ram, clock speed is about doubled. Still no powerhorse, but enough to make a noticeable difference in games... except nobody's made games for it, yet. It mainly perked my interest in emulation and modding, though; the web browser that barely worked in 4mb might do a pretty good job in 16mb.

  7. It's obvious... by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Funny

    Technology from a couple years ago, larger fonts for older eyes...they're clearly targeting the Korean market.

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    1. Re:It's obvious... by PayPaI · · Score: 3, Funny

      Only if it includes an email client.

  8. Re:Nintendo's Niche by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not really though. Backwards compatibility is key for portable games. For example the Game Boy Advance SP had perhaps the largest library for any portable game console. The GBA SP (along with the first GBA) could play games from 1989 to 2007. Few consoles can play 18 years of games without any emulation. And when the games are cheap ($30 when they were new, and you can get them for $10 max used) that gives the average person a huge game library without much initial investment. Even though Super Mario Land wasn't exactly the most advanced games, no was it that long but it still was fun. Now Nintendo has the DS (and Lite) that can play games from 2001-present and the DSi that can play physical games from 2004-present along with downloadable games. A major new console would more than likely change the hardware in a radical way, if you don't have either 2 screens or don't have one as a touch screen the DS games are nearly unplayable. Without a large back catalog they probably won't gain much traction (just look at how much of a failure the PSP Go is since it doesn't have a UMD drive).

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  9. Re:Maybe this time by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the idea of two screens the way it's setup is kind of annoying to me, I like having one big screen rather than multiple screens

    Can't say I agree. I play GBA games on mine (one screen only) and it annoys me that I have to stop the game to see things like maps or inventory. Give me two screens any-day.

    My main gripe is that only one of the screens is touch sensitive.

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  10. It doesn't cost more than Wii by joeflies · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's the same price (in Japan). The Wii is ¥20,000 in Japan, and apparently so is the DSi LL. It looks like you're converting the price of the DSi LL against the weak dollar and using the $220 price, and comparing that against the US price of the Wii ($199).

  11. Re:I'm confused.... by siddesu · · Score: 2, Funny

    DD XXL

  12. Maybe this one will support WPA? by wandazulu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I kept wep on my router longer than I should have because I just liked playing Mario Kart just that much. I lost my dslite and thought to buy the new model, but it still doesn't support wpa, just wep. I decided I wasn't going to switch back just for one game, and opted instead to buy nothing. Maybe I'll get the new one if it can do wpa, but if not, no sale.

    1. Re:Maybe this one will support WPA? by captjc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My guess would be because it is easier and more secure to keep the actual network stack in the game code. If it is in the game (as in on cartridge rather than in a ROM on the DS) it can be upgraded and modified by the developer as needed. For instance, say a vulnerability were found that allowed Mario Kart to connect to a rogue server for the purpose of cheating or piracy or any other damn reason. You could easily fix the vulnerability and include it newer versions of the game. It will also be patched in any other games that use the network code. Yes, you have some bad games out in the wild, but that can be contained. On the other hand, if it is in the DS as a ROM, every DS made to this point is a hacking hazard. Add to the fact that the DS was not made to have its firmware updated.

      Now, is it the best idea? I can't say. I would love to play Mario Kart, or Metroid Prime or any of the other Wifi enabled game I own on my WPA2 encrypted router. However security is more important to me then occasionally getting getting 'pwned' by some kid in South Korea with too much time on his hands.

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  13. Nintendo's Kindle killer? by rivercityrandom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Larger screens, more legible text, better wifi features... perhaps Nintendo is trying to break into the e-book reader market with this device. After all, e-book readers are popular in the DS homebrew scene, which Nintendo is not totally unaware of, and a company with Nintendo's clout could arrange a deal with Amazon for a Kindle app. I have limited pocket space, and when I'm on the go, I know I'd rather carry around a sightly larger DS than a DS and a Kindle...

  14. Re:Anonymous Coward by Toonol · · Score: 2, Informative

    You're not supposed to switch, any more than you should buy a new DS because they introduce a new color. This is just a different variant of the DSi. They've kept all specs except for physical size the same.

    There's no reason for anybody to get this if they are satisfied with the size of the standard DS screen... and if they AREN'T satisfied, this is a good option to have.

  15. i think i figured it out.... by garynuman · · Score: 3, Funny

    anyone else think its possible- nay probable- that Nintendo and Apple are locked in a vicious Trading Places-esque gentleman's wager over who can most rapidly refresh their product lines