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Lawmakers Caught Again By File-Sharing Software

An anonymous reader writes "A document, apparently a 'confidential House ethics committee report,' was recently leaked through file-sharing software to the Washington Post. According to the article, 'The committee's review of investigations became available on file-sharing networks because of a junior staff member's use of the software while working from home.' Of course, P2P software is entirely at fault for this incident. If you begin seeing more interest in DRM from Congress, you now know why." Reader GranTuring points out that the RIAA took the opportunity to make a ridiculous statement of their own. They said, "the disclosure was evidence of a need for controls on peer-to-peer software to block the improper or illegal exchange of music."

203 comments

  1. So... by XPeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't blame the person who actually leaked it, blame the damned software!

    Ahh...I love politics.

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    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To their defense, we do have safety bottles today because at some point a baby died eating pills thinking they were candies. It's all about protecting the incompetent from themselves.

    2. Re:So... by buchner.johannes · · Score: 0

      Ahh...I love politics.

      You mean 'people'

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    3. Re:So... by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 3, Funny

      "I crashed my car because I was texting while driving. #*%?@! car...! "

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    4. Re:So... by causality · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To their defense, we do have safety bottles today because at some point a baby died eating pills thinking they were candies. It's all about protecting the incompetent from themselves.

      I wouldn't blame the pill bottle for that. Instead, I'd ask "where were the parents when this happened?"

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    5. Re:So... by TheRealMike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wouldn't blame the pill bottle for that. Instead, I'd ask "where were the parents when this happened?"

      The question is: Why/How could the kid get access to the pill bottle? Substitute pill bottle with knife/weapon/dangerous stuff/ and use the result when needed. Is the safety bottle unbreakable? If not i don't care how hard it is to open it. If the kid get's it hands on it bad things can happen. Mike

    6. Re:So... by genericpoweruser · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, there have been more accidental overdoses in that manner since the safety bottles were mandated. And, anecdotally, I recall that when my sister was three she had no problem breaking the lid off a bottle of Tylenol PM, and eating all the "candy".

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    7. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And its a strong possibility this was a fake stunt to make P2P software a sort of scape goat to satisfy companies like RIAA or even some ISP's their wishes for a heavily controlled internet without net neutrality.

    8. Re:So... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Don't blame the person who actually leaked it, blame the damned software! Ahh...I love politics.

      Trust me ... that particular telecommuter is getting his share of blame. It just won't be public because he probably didn't do anything criminal. Of course, he's still an idiot.

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    9. Re:So... by mpe · · Score: 1

      To their defense, we do have safety bottles today because at some point a baby died eating pills thinking they were candies. It's all about protecting the incompetent from themselves.

      It's not always easy to come up with a design which will resist children whilst being easily operated by adults though. I also recall that in one experiment a child was able to bite through a plastic bottle.

    10. Re:So... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "I crashed my car because I was texting while driving. #*%?@! car...! "

      Most accident reports I've ever read are worded more like:

      "The driver was injured when his car left the road and hit a tree."

      So, yes, it usually is worded in such a way as to mean "#*%?@! car...!". :-\

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    11. Re:So... by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      Who still uses "share folder" based p2p programs?

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    12. Re:So... by noundi · · Score: 3, Funny

      "I crashed my car because I was texting while driving. #*%?@! car...! "

      That's completely absurd -- obviously your phone is to blame here.

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    13. Re:So... by McGuirk · · Score: 1

      Lots and lots and lots of people.

      The computer-not-quite-literate want their "free music", but don't care to learn about how torrents work. The stuff about finding a tracker, downloading a torrent file, and then opening that new file is a bit to complicated for them. They opt for search and double click. Therefore, there's still a lot of LimeWire use around.

    14. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most accident reports I've ever read are worded more like:

      "The driver was injured when his car left the road and hit a tree."

      Well, because investigations take time, and it is an objective fact that the car left the road and hit a tree.

      The question is why did the car leave the road. Many possibilities:

      - driver had a heart attack
      - driver is a moron and can't drive
      - another car collided with the car and pushed it off the road
      - car drove over many sharp objects, blew all 4 tires, and the driver lost control
      - car suffered a severe mechanical failure
      - driver was severely intoxicated

    15. Re:So... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      To their defense, we do have safety bottles today because at some point a baby died eating pills thinking they were candies. It's all about protecting the incompetent from themselves.

      /golfclap. Not true, however. Safety bottles and tamper-evident packaging came about because some dill poisoned a number of packages of Tylenol in an extortion scheme. This wasn't protecting people against themselves, this was protecting people against a malicious idiot, may he be reborn as a cockroach.

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    16. Re:So... by cawpin · · Score: 1

      Don't blame the person who actually leaked it, blame the damned software! Ahh...I love politics.

      Now you know how law abiding gun owners, like me, feel. You cannot blame an inanimate object.

    17. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn candy companies making their candy look like pills! They're evil I tell you!

    18. Re:So... by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well you do have to remember we are dealing with a march of the morons situation where you have to put "open can first stupid" to keep the retards from sticking the WHOLE CAN into boiling water and making a soup hand grenade.

      But personally I think it is more likely a nice ruse cooked up to make the pill easier to swallow to those same morons when they make P2P illegal. Kinda like the same way they trot out child molesters every time they want to spy on you when you are on the Internet, even those study after study has proven that it is nearly always a family member or 'family friend' that is molesting little Suzy, not some Internet bogeyman. And when there are talks about net neutrality and suddenly we are getting all the stories about how everything from the presidents ride on down has been released on 'teh evil P2Ps!" I smell some fish.

      Of course we will have our proof if they trot out Nancy Grace to scream "P2P is full of pervert kiddie fiddlers!" as she seems to be the go to gal for anything that restricts us as long as you can find some way to add the word perverts. So if you see Nancy grace screaming about "P2P sickos!" you'll know the whole things is BS.

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    19. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we also need to get rid of freedom. if people weren't free, to do as they pleased, they would be safe.

    20. Re:So... by quanticle · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the fact that little children have enough strength and manual dexterity to open "safety bottles" more quickly than adults in most instances. These bottles present a dangerous illusion of safety.

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    21. Re:So... by DustyShadow · · Score: 1

      the obvious solution is to ban pills

    22. Re:So... by dissy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      the obvious solution is to ban pills

      or ban children

    23. Re:So... by Tuoqui · · Score: 1

      Yeah too bad it wasnt ACTA Treaty that was leaked.

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    24. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "#*%?@! tree...!" Let's remove all trees :)

    25. Re:So... by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't blame the pill bottle for that. Instead, I'd ask "where were the parents when this happened?"

      Probably allowing their child a bit of independence, like all the parental experts on Slashdot keep telling them to. ;)

    26. Re:So... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      I find that sharing /var/cache/apt/archives works well :)

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    27. Re:So... by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      Don't blame the person who actually leaked it, blame the damned software! Ahh...I love politics.

      Trust me ... that particular telecommuter is getting his share of blame. It just won't be public because he probably didn't do anything criminal. Of course, he's still an idiot.

      Actually, if it truly was 'confidential' then yes it is a criminal act to share it; such an act would carry jail time. Whether or not they decide to press charges, etc. is a different matter. But it could potentially be a criminal act. It all depends on the Security Classification of the document. Basic principle behind the Security Classification and distribution: Need to know only; break that, and you can face criminal charges. Doesn't matter if the material was already public information either; it's just a matter of whether it was classified and you broke the classification contract you signed when you got the job. (Same goes for gov't personnel, civil servants, contractors, etc.)

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    28. Re:So... by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Apparently the people who write our laws. The Washington Post does seem to get more than their fair share of these "p2p leaks", I wouldn't be surprised if they know the system of how congress names files and actively searches the p2p networks for them. Seems reasonable if the Post can do this, that others with more nefarious purposes can also.

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    29. Re:So... by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      You don't have to 'learn' to use bittorrent. You install a client, go to tpb, click "download." The .torrent file automagically opens with your client and downloads.

      I've gotten literally a dozen 40+ year olds set up with bittorrent.

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    30. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To their defense, we do have safety bottles today because at some point a baby died eating pills thinking they were candies. It's all about protecting the incompetent from themselves.

      /golfclap. Not true, however. Safety bottles and tamper-evident packaging came about because some dill poisoned a number of packages of Tylenol in an extortion scheme. This wasn't protecting people against themselves, this was protecting people against a malicious idiot, may he be reborn as a cockroach.

      A cockroach has too much karma

    31. Re:So... by Aradiel · · Score: 1

      Personally, I blame the rap music.

    32. Re:So... by kalirion · · Score: 1

      I'd support that.

    33. Re:So... by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1

      I thought the pill did ban children!

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    34. Re:So... by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1

      Based upon my own personal experience (as an ex-child myself), there is very little a parent can do to stop a determined, curious kid.

      Statistically, you lose a few. Most of the dangerous things kids get into are treatable after the fact, or will only leave some scarring.

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    35. Re:So... by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1

      I always like it when at the scene of an accident, the officer is asking "What happened here?" and the driver is saying "I don't know ... all of a sudden, this car just appeared ..."

      Huh? You're piloting a ton or more of steel at 60km/h, and you don't know? Did it ever occur that you might want to know what's going on around you?

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    36. Re:So... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Sounds good. Now gimme pills! :P

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    37. Re:So... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Not before they can read the... I'm too drunk to remember how you call the papers in the pill package, but you know what I'm talking about.
      <slashdotter type="parenting expert">

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    38. Re:So... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Gahhhh... XML FAIL. That should have been a self-closing tag. Too much alcohol...

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  2. Connections by Wowsers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So long as two computers can communicate with each other, so you will have P2P.

    Luckily, we have politicians who's only education is in English, law, history, politics, art. So it's easy to push any techno-babble on them because they are dangerously uneducated fools.

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    1. Re:Connections by rxmd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Luckily, we have politicians who's only education is in English...

      By corollary, given that they do seem to have an advantage in that area, a solid grasp of English seems like a good idea if you want to convince them of anything.

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    2. Re:Connections by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So long as two computers can communicate with each other, so you will have P2P.

      Luckily, we have politicians who's only education is in English, law, history, politics, art. So it's easy to push any techno-babble on them because they are dangerously uneducated fools.

      They're dangerous because they are unaware of what they don't know, so they feel qualified (authorized) to make decisions about what they do not really understand.

      When the Oracle at Delphi pronounced Socrates the wisest man in all of Greece, Socrates gave a response beyond reproach. He said, "If I am the wisest man, it is because I alone know that I know nothing."

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    3. Re:Connections by nomadic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So long as two computers can communicate with each other, so you will have P2P.

      Luckily, we have politicians who's only education is in English, law, history, politics, art. So it's easy to push any techno-babble on them because they are dangerously uneducated fools.


      The committee released a statement on the issue, saying "[o]ur initial review suggests that this unlawful access to confidential information involved the use of peer-to-peer file sharing software on the personal computer of a junior staffer, who is no longer employed by the Committee, while working from home."

      Please tell me what technical error or incorrect terminology she used, because I can't see it.

    4. Re:Connections by nomadic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They're dangerous because they are unaware of what they don't know, so they feel qualified (authorized) to make decisions about what they do not really understand.

      In my experience, politicans are a lot more likely to seek out expert advice in an area outside their realm than techie are.

    5. Re:Connections by 4D6963 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Luckily, we have politicians who's only education is in English,

      So, very little overlap with your own education I presume? ;-)

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    6. Re:Connections by nevillethedevil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In my experience, politicians are a lot more likely to seek out expert advice in an area contributing to their campaign than techie are.

      Fixed that for you.

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    7. Re:Connections by causality · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They're dangerous because they are unaware of what they don't know, so they feel qualified (authorized) to make decisions about what they do not really understand. In my experience, politicans are a lot more likely to seek out expert advice in an area outside their realm than techie are.

      There's one big problem with that. If they are thinking about, say, a law concerning file-sharing, the expert advice is going to come from someone who works in the IT industry, likely from an ISP. The interests of the ISP can differ from the interests of its users. So once again it's about authority and not knowledge, in this case the authority being credentials gained by having an institution or a company behind you. It's one reason why the law is so often biased in favor of corporations and other large organizations.

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    8. Re:Connections by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "When the Oracle at Delphi pronounced Socrates the wisest man in all of Greece"

      Oracle at Delphi? Where? When? It's more Borland at Micro Focus, these days.

      In the other hand, knowing Oracle, it probably wouldn't say nothing about Socrates at Greece but would pronounce Ellison wisest man over Sun.

    9. Re:Connections by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 1

      Advice from the RIAA..

      Mitch Bainwol, the group's chairman and chief executive officer, said, "It's now happening (in) Congress' backyard, and that should be a powerful catalyst to enact real reforms to protect consumers."

      protect consumers! Ha!

    10. Re:Connections by hitmark · · Score: 1

      in the same manner as a farmer protects his livestock...

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    11. Re:Connections by hitmark · · Score: 1

      and that's why journalists backed by newspapers gets freedom of the press, while individual bloggers gets court orders and/or sentences...

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    12. Re:Connections by hitmark · · Score: 1

      not sure if the interest rate example in that article is the best one tho.

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    13. Re:Connections by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>we have politicians who's only education is in English, law, history, politics, art.

      Therefore more of us engineers and programmers need to run for office. At the state level it's fairly easy - you just need to stand by a highway, hold a sign with your name in bold letters, wave and smile. Once we get enough geeks we can start making sane, logical laws regarding technology.

      Alternatively we could bombard our government employees with emails explaining why P2P is not evil. And ultimately even if you banned, we will invent new ones to connect to one another (like direct-dialing).

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    14. Re:Connections by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is more subtle than that. They will talk to someone that they perceive as being an expert. Lobbyists working for the relevant industries are probably the only people who they know who are close to being experts (or able to put them in touch with experts). Political think tanks are another source of expert opinions. The end result is that the politicians get a very skewed view of what experts actually believe. There is no good mechanism in place for politicians to get impartial expert opinions. This ought to be the job of the civil service, but they haven't done it well for a good few decades.

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    15. Re:Connections by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful
      That's all too true.

      and that's why journalists backed by newspapers gets freedom of the press, while individual bloggers gets court orders and/or sentences...

      ... by people who have no idea what "the press" was when the 1st Amendment was written. Much of it was not large and institutional. It was often as simple as a concerned citizen distributing pamphlets or starting his own local editorial. The individual bloggers are true to this spirit in a way that the media conglomerates could never hope to be.

      More importantly, it was better understood that when you read such materials, you were reading the perspective of the author. It was not taken as the "final word" the way professional news is too-often regarded.

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    16. Re:Connections by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 1

      So long as two computers can communicate with each other, so you will have P2P.

      So long as two people can communicate with each other, so you will have leaked documents.

    17. Re:Connections by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Earlier this week, he professor used a lecture at King's College, London, to say that smoking cannabis created only a "relatively small risk" of psychotic illness and it was actually less harmful than nicotine or alcohol. But on Friday he was forced to quit after receiving a letter from Home Secretary Alan Johnson who said his comments had undermined the scientific independence of the council.

      The professor told the BBC..... "Gordon Brown comes into office and soon after that he starts saying absurd things like cannabis is lethal... it has to be a Class B drug. He has made his mind up. We went back, we looked at the evidence, we said, 'No, no, there is no extra evidence of harm, it's still a Class C drug.' He said, 'Tough, it's going to be Class B.'" Prof Nutt said drug laws should not be influenced "petty party politics" and compared them to interest rates, which are set by the Bank of England not the government.

      Sounds like a perfectly good example to me. It's not about science and what the evidence shows (marijuana is not particularly dangerous), but about what one man named the prime minister BELIEVES and his power to force his belief on others (make marijuana a class B restricted substance). It's not different than a monarchy in that respect.

      Personally this is why I don't think a central government should be making decisions about what citizens can or can not ingest. If I want to smoke marijuana or drink alcohol until I kill myself, and someone finds my rotting body in my home, so be it. That's freedom. It includes not just the right to life, but also the right to end your life, if that's what you choose to do.

      Without that right, you're not liberated. You're a serf..... under somebody else's control.

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    18. Re:Connections by MeNeXT · · Score: 1

      Sir your mistake is to assume that they are educated.

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    19. Re:Connections by lyml · · Score: 1

      Seeing as politicians are plural you should use the term are instead of is, turning the sentence to:

      we have politician who'res

      Which explains everything.

    20. Re:Connections by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "By corollary, given that they do seem to have an advantage in that area, a solid grasp of English seems like a good idea if you want to convince them of anything."

      Do they really? Being inarticulate is no barrier to being elected President.

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    21. Re:Connections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think we shoudl get all of you educated people and make some world wide agency to fix spelling ad grammar errors on Internet. I bet you would do it for free.... it piss you off...
      Moto of Agency would be: "Its not important what you say, but how you say it"

      Oh we alredy have that... they are government & politicians... ahh

    22. Re:Connections by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Socrates gave a response beyond reproach. He said, "If I am the wisest man, it is because I alone know that I know nothing."

      A self-deprecating remark that not only expressed his own humility, but simultaneously bitchslapped everyone else. Wish I could have been there.

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    23. Re:Connections by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      I have never understood why saxon genitives cannot be used with pronouns. I don't buy the "but then they would get confused with contractions!" argument, since when do we make grammatical exceptions for contractions?

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    24. Re:Connections by smoker2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The technical error is that they forgot the words "incorrectly configured" before P2P software. If you omit those 2 words, it tars any P2P software ever, with the brush of dangerous. Not to mention that the documents shouldn't have been on a private computer. Would they be concerned that the documents had been contaminated by filth if there had been donkey porn on there too ? Should the main target in a libel case be MS Word 2003 ?

    25. Re:Connections by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Please tell me what technical error or incorrect terminology she used, because I can't see it.

      Well, the immediate blame on a junior staffer seems suspect to me. Although it's not technically a technical error, whenever something goes wrong in government that results in a potential scandal, it always seems to be a junior staffer that's at fault, according to the government office involved.

      I find it difficult to believe that a prime minister, president, premier, high ranking minister, congressman, or what have you, is never involved in something stupid like this.

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    26. Re:Connections by noundi · · Score: 1

      Or as a pimp protects his whores.

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    27. Re:Connections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think we shoudl get all of you educated people and make some world wide agency to fix spelling ad grammar errors on Internet. I bet you would do it for free.... it piss you off...
      Moto of Agency would be: "Its not important what you say, but how you say it"

      Oh we alredy have that... they are government & politicians... ahh

      English, motherfucker. Do you speak it?

    28. Re:Connections by UltraAyla · · Score: 3, Informative

      You bring up a very good point - Lobbyists are one of the primary sources of information, but it is their job to be biased. While Congress (for us US people) has many agencies to give them expert analyses of important legislation, this analysis comes after a bill is written, and the agencies don't generally make recommendations for how to make changes that are good for the country. Additionally, these agencies are frequently limited by their mandates in how broad their analysis can be, so they are often incomplete or one-sided.

    29. Re:Connections by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      I see what you did there.

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    30. Re:Connections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, you're just breakin' the law and skinning up a fatty. :)

    31. Re:Connections by KORfan · · Score: 1

      The politician attends meetings and makes decisions; the junior staffer types up the meeting notes and the proposed plans. Junior staff is doing the computer work, and has the misconfigured P2P software.

    32. Re:Connections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's true, they only really ever listen to pedantic douchebags like themselves. It's a wonder they're not more internet savvy :/

    33. Re:Connections by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not just talking about this P2P incident.

      I mean ones where contracts are awarded without tenders, or advertising flyers go out with completely tasteless and possibly illegal slams against the opposing parties, or any other political BS that you can think of.

      It's never the people at the top that are the problem. It's always some staff flunkie.

      That means one of two things to me:

      - the big shots lie about not being responsible.
      - the big shots never actually _do_ anything at all, so what do we pay them for?

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    34. Re:Connections by quanticle · · Score: 1

      To be fair, though, the adviser's name was David Nutt. I'm not sure about you, but I sure don't take advice from nuts.

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    35. Re:Connections by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Perhaps that is true, but the politicians:

      1) Seek out lobbyists, rather than experts
      2) Tend to ignore the expert advice if it is not politically correct.

      Many times they merely pick the experts who reinforce their party line. For a recent example, various congress people have recently said something along the lines of "We cannot allow network neutrality since it will stifle the progress that made the internet grow so quickly." They don't understand that all that growth happened while we actually had network neutrality, and we are trying to restore it. To someone familiar with the issue, they sound like a moron. Obviously, they either didn't get expert advice, or it came from Comcast.

    36. Re:Connections by FallinWithStyle · · Score: 1

      Well, last time I checked, Wowsers has not been trying to pass laws or regulations on grammatical issues which he may or may not understand... So your point is kind of moot.

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    37. Re:Connections by moortak · · Score: 1

      There are a lot more people at the bottom than at the top.

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    38. Re:Connections by infinitelink · · Score: 1

      Sir, your logic is correct. : ) It's just bull shoved on us all, like the distinctions between 'it's' and 'its', which roles originally were reversed, and just before their present assignments were used interchangeably (i.e. 'determine from context you buffoons!'). It's not that Saxon genitives can't be used, it's that pedants, people who wanted to arbitrarily (often against both history, use, and reason--yes I did just use 'both' like that: examine English use, people do it all the time) dictate rules which aren't genuinely necessary or reasonable...want to dictate rules that aren't genuinely necessary or reasonable.

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    39. Re:Connections by Aradiel · · Score: 1

      Or a squirrel its nuts. Hmmm, maybe when he said "consumers" he didn't mean "customers" but rather "those who will consume the purchasers of our products" (i.e. themselves.)

    40. Re:Connections by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      There are many sites where techies can, and often do, seek information on things outside their realm, like girls.

    41. Re:Connections by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1

      We pedants use it as a shortcut method for figuring out whether or not a person is a blithering idiot. Grammar errors don't trigger an irrevocable condemnation, but they sure provide a good first indicator.

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  3. Oops!... I Did It Again by TimeElf1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The government is starting to sound like Britney Spears.

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    1. Re:Oops!... I Did It Again by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      The government is starting to sound like Britney Spears.

      Problem is, we can ignore Britney Spears by refusing to torrent her 'music'. Ignore the government? Not so much...

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  4. The sadest part of this is.. by rjgill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why should our government even have ethics documents that are confidential?

    1. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by nomadic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why should our government even have ethics documents that are confidential?

      Guess they figure it's unfair to publicly announce someone's being investigated if there are no merits to the claim. Want to run for congress? Get someone to accuse your opponent of something bad, then publicize the resulting investigation.

    2. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by Compholio · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why should our government even have ethics documents that are confidential?

      Guess they figure it's unfair to publicly announce someone's being investigated if there are no merits to the claim. ...

      Then why does congress get this kind of protection when private citizens suspected of a crime do not?

    3. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by noidentity · · Score: 1

      National insecurity. Serious stuff.

    4. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Because there are things that need to remain secret, yet still remain ethical. For example, wiretaps. You don't want your local crimelord/mob boss being able to tell which of his lines are tapped by going down to the ministry and filling out a freedom of information form, do you?

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    5. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by dragonsomnolent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I concur, if you've ever been accused, or know someone who is accused of a crime, should it be serious enough to report, the media will say allegedly or accused once (so that they can say they said accused and didn't taint a potential jury pool), and then go about reporting the accusations by the police as if it were 100% undisputed fact that the accused did, in fact, commit the crime. Whether the person accused is guilty or not, (in the US at least), there is no hope for them once the press gets their hands on the story (just look at the whole story behind that Duke rape case here while back). Sometimes I think we in the US should adopt the policy they have in England with regards to press coverage of crimes.

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    6. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by lawpoop · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Then why does congress get this kind of protection when private citizens suspected of a crime do not?

      This is not a crime per se, but a house ethics violation. It's an internal, private matter, as if your company was investigating you, not for a crime, but going against company policy. Congress policing itself, basically.

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    7. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by nomadic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then why does congress get this kind of protection when private citizens suspected of a crime do not?

      Wish I knew. I do, however, think the answer is "protect private citizens too," not "take away congress' protection."

    8. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by bertoelcon · · Score: 1

      You don't want your local crimelord/mob boss being able to tell which of his lines are tapped by going down to the ministry and filling out a freedom of information form, do you?

      Sounds fair enough to me.

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    9. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are by definition public personalities, so it's more probable for news agencies to report accusations against them, and reasonable to limit the amount of possible defamation.

      If you aren't a public personality, you sue for libel and get awarded millions. Isn't that enough protection?

    10. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by danlip · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then why does congress get this kind of protection when private citizens suspected of a crime do not?

      Juveniles usually get this protection as well. And since congress usually behaves like a bunch of spoiled children, I guess this makes sense.

    11. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by TwilightXaos · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why should our government even have ethics documents that are confidential?

      That information is contained in confidential ethics documents.

    12. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by Entropius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except if my boss is investigating me, *his* boss gets to know about it.

      In this case, Congress' boss is the citizenry.

    13. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by jim_v2000 · · Score: 1

      Since these investigations appear to be common, it seems to me that the public would become indifferent to them after awhile.

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    14. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by shentino · · Score: 1

      And any mob boss worth his salt will have already gotten tipped off by a well-bribed techie at the telco long before the cops ever get the wiretap in place.

    15. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by Arguendo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then why does congress get this kind of protection when private citizens suspected of a crime do not?

      They do. It's called a Grand Jury. Although sometimes the media gets the information anyway, like in this case.

    16. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Informative

      Then why does congress get this kind of protection when private citizens suspected of a crime do not?

      It's an internal investigation. I recall one woman was accused of stealing a cell phone at her company. She refused to hand it over when someone saw her with it. The next morning, she had been fired and a notice was posted on every floor saying that she had been fired for theft of corporate property.

      Later on, the woman sued for wrongful dismissal, won, and got some extra award for punitive damages. The cell phone she was using was indeed the exact same make and model the Corporation had purchased, but she had no trouble proving that she had indeed purchased the cell phone herself and been using it for quite a while.

      So if your company starts accusing you of a crime, they're certainly free to tell everyone about it, not just their HR/legal personnel, but they better sure follow a process and be damn sure that you did commit such a crime -- otherwise -- that might get them in trouble otherwise.

    17. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by AlamedaStone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except if my boss is investigating me, *his* boss gets to know about it.

      In this case, Congress' boss is the citizenry.

      Try telling them that.

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    18. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I find it disturbing that just because an adult is accused of a crime, they release their names in the media. I feel it should be kept secret until the result of the jury trial.

    19. Re:The sadest part of this is.. by camperdave · · Score: 1

      After the investigation is over... sure. During the course of an investigation, no. That could taint any evidence gathered.

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  5. Keep leak mechanics quiet. by NoYob · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I wish the mechanics of the leaks: how, software, etc... would be kept quiet. That way, they can keep happening - meaning, I want these leaks to occur because that's the only way to get honest information about our Government. It's not like the media is doing a good job. If it weren't for this leak, would we know anything about this? I dont' think so. Those politicians* would keep doing business as usual.

    Now that the politicians know how it's happening, they'll plug this leak. Our only hope is another one opens up.

    * - I think "politician" is the most derogatory name you can call someone.

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    1. Re:Keep leak mechanics quiet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think "politician" is the most derogatory name you can call someone.

      I always thought it was 'nigger'.

    2. Re:Keep leak mechanics quiet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I always thought it was 'nigger'.

      Even the blacks don't call each other "politician".

    3. Re:Keep leak mechanics quiet. by magarity · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think "politician" is the most derogatory name you can call someone.

      I always thought it was 'nigger'.

      I always thought it was 'anonymous coward'

    4. Re:Keep leak mechanics quiet. by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>I always thought it was 'nigger'.

      Yes that is a highly-charged word. You can't even say "niggardly" anymore, and that word is perfectly innocent.

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    5. Re:Keep leak mechanics quiet. by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      "Leaking" information is standard practice in government to spread even more lies and confusion, though occasionally an unpleasant truth about a political enemy is released. Certainly some real information dribbles out to foreign agents, but they take your advice and keep things quiet.

    6. Re:Keep leak mechanics quiet. by bertoelcon · · Score: 1

      I think "politician" is the most derogatory name you can call someone.

      I always thought it was 'nigger'.

      Even the blacks don't call each other "politician".

      Its an odd day you find a honestly funny post on here containing the word nigger.

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    7. Re:Keep leak mechanics quiet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "meaning, I want these leaks to occur because that's the only way to get honest information about our Government."

      There are plenty of leaks that appear accidental but are actually staged. No reason to believe this channel is any more honest or dishonest than their press releases.

    8. Re:Keep leak mechanics quiet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor Obama. Imagine him posting as an AC...

    9. Re:Keep leak mechanics quiet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those politicians* would keep doing business as usual.

      You think that now they won't keep doing business as usual?

    10. Re:Keep leak mechanics quiet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you want less transparency because you want more transparency? Got it.

      Just as a side question...Have you ever considered running for office?

  6. Lawmakers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Lawmakers?" Is the word "legislators" really so hard to use that everyone in the media makes a careful, conscious effort to avoid it? Or do they all just mindlessly parrot one another and this perchance happened to be the word that was chosen?

    1. Re:Lawmakers? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Lawmaker sound cooler. Legislators draft, debate, and then pass legislation. Lawmakers make the law. The former sound like dull bureaucrats but the latter sound like they probably have superpowers.

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    2. Re:Lawmakers? by Macthorpe · · Score: 2, Funny

      That, or large handcannon-style guns. "Let me introduce you... to the Lawmaker." *BOOM*

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    3. Re:Lawmakers? by TheMuon · · Score: 1

      "Or do they all just mindlessly parrot one another"

      Judging by the way me-mes tend to spread throughout the media, even if they are shown to be false, I'm going with the latter.

    4. Re:Lawmakers? by patiodragon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or do they all just mindlessly parrot one another
      Or do they all just mindlessly parrot one another
      Or do they all just mindlessly parrot one another

    5. Re:Lawmakers? by mpe · · Score: 1

      That, or large handcannon-style guns. "Let me introduce you... to the Lawmaker." *BOOM*

      Isn't that a lawGIVER?

    6. Re:Lawmakers? by gmagill · · Score: 1

      Just like Important People have attorneys, the rest of us use lawyers...

    7. Re:Lawmakers? by Mystra_x64 · · Score: 1

      Then they combine and here we have Judges.

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    8. Re:Lawmakers? by uuddlrlrab · · Score: 1

      "I AM THE LAW!"

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    9. Re:Lawmakers? by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      do they all just mindlessly parrot one another...?

      (Squawk, WEE-ooo) Equating legislators with parrots is an insult to parrots everywhere. Now, give me a cracker before I bite the ever-lovin' crap outta you.

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    10. Re:Lawmakers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What is the law?"
      "No spill blood!"

  7. No. by wizardforce · · Score: 0

    Of course, P2P software is entirely at fault for this incident

    No it isn't. Any document of importance should be encrypted. Anyone who has access to sensitive files is responsible for securing those files. That includes making sure that the system they are accessing these files on does not share these files because of a setting in file sharing software.

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    1. Re:No. by TheUni · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe change your sig to: Error 451: Sarcasm not detected...

    2. Re:No. by oracleguy01 · · Score: 1

      I think that was sarcasm in the summary. But you aren't wrong about encrypting the files.

    3. Re:No. by meerling · · Score: 1

      Yes, the moron that leaked it was, without a doubt, in violation of numerous standard security policies the government has in place.
      Yet the lying scum want to blame anything and everything except the buffoon that screwed up.

      Twenty years ago, they'd have been blaming the Xerox machine instead of the person that accidentally left copies at Kinkos after making unauthorized copies on an unsecured Xerox machine.

    4. Re:No. by nomadic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yet the lying scum want to blame anything and everything except the buffoon that screwed up.

      And considering they fired the staffer responsible for the leak, how on earth can you say they're not blaming the person? I really don't understand your interpretation of the events.

      Twenty years ago, they'd have been blaming the Xerox machine instead of the person that accidentally left copies at Kinkos after making unauthorized copies on an unsecured Xerox machine.

      The committee released a statement explaining how the document was leaked. They didn't "blame" P2P, they simply detailed how the document got where it is. If they had said that someone smuggled the document outside in their briefcase, would you interpret it as them attacking briefcases?

    5. Re:No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know his post wasn't sarcasm also?

    6. Re:No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of private businesses use some sort of IRM system. Microsoft has their IRM/RMS, and there are third party products such like Locklizard or Adobe LiveCycle which have the same functionality.

      Yes, IRM is a subset of DRM, but this is one of the few cases where it is put to good use. A good IRM system ensures that a document that is left on an unencrypted USB flash drive is not readable by unauthorized users.

      Of course, P2P software is being blamed here, but all it is, is a vehicle, not the culprit. The same exact thing could be said about iPods, USB flash drives, removable hard disks, and an upload... button on a website. Laws won't do anything to help this. If P2P software gets outright banned (and good luck defining P2P, as World of Warcraft uses BitTorrent), people won't care and will just encrypt their traffic to an offshore VPN or use encrypted networks (making one of the few open sources for law enforcement to passively watch go forever dark). This cat and mouse game can be escalated with laws forcing OS makers to actively disallow P2P stuff, but that can be gotten around somehow.

      If the lawmakers want an actual fix, they would do four things:

      User education. Limewire is as gimp as a quadriplegic in a vacuum bed. People need to be taught to use other P2P software, perhaps BitTorrent clients. Or perhaps buy the software or media in question.

      Router configurations. Most enterprise routers can block P2P software fairly easily making users to have to make it look like HTTP/HTTPS traffic or force the user to tunnel using a VPN. Both solve the problem, and with a good monitoring system, users who deliberately evade policy can be replaced by users that don't.

      IT Policies. Windows 7 has AppLocker if an organization wants to do the white list/default deny route. There is also the default permit, and blacklist LimeWire, Kazaa, and other clients. Couple this with an obvious clause in the employee handbook of using P2P on a confidential machine means getting fired and this will go a long way.

      An enterprise IRM system. This ships with Windows Server 2008 and Windows Server 2008 R2 as a part of Active Directory. Turn it on, configure Word to use it, call it done.

    7. Re:No. by causality · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The committee released a statement explaining how the document was leaked. They didn't "blame" P2P, they simply detailed how the document got where it is. If they had said that someone smuggled the document outside in their briefcase, would you interpret it as them attacking briefcases?

      I agree with your clarification. This isn't intended to argue against what you said about that perception, but rather to highlight where that perception comes from.

      The RIAA stated that "the disclosure was evidence of a need for controls on peer-to-peer software to block the improper or illegal exchange of music".

      To answer your example, let's say that there is a wealthy, politically active group with a great deal of sympathy in Washington. This group is well-known for its hatred of briefcases because it finds them to be, shall we say, economically inconvenient. If the group said that such a smuggling is evidence that we need (i.e. government) control of briefcases, it might create that impression.

      That's particularly true of the RIAA's statement since the document that was leaked has nothing to do with music. They are merely demonstrating that they're desperate for any excuse to demogogue anything related to P2P software, to the point that they will obviously clutch at straws like this. If they were really interested in security, they'd ask the same question another Slashdotter has already asked: why did they allow this person to work on secure documents with an unsecured computer? Only that wouldn't represent an opportunity to raise their pet issue, hence their problem with it.

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    8. Re:No. by smoker2 · · Score: 1

      Why mention the software at all ? It's obvious that the press will leap onto it as the cause, however wrongly. They could have said "it was made available for sharing" instead they go for P2P software, like sharing the root of C is advisable even without P2P. And as for your last quip, I'm not aware of a very public battle between briefcases and the media industry. If there were, then ill advised mentions of briefcases should be avoided too. Stick to the facts, staffer took confidential stuff home ,put it on their computer and gave access to the world. Whether it was knowingly or otherwise is irrelevant, as is the method of access. Maybe he had an anon ftp server running on that machine too.

    9. Re:No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IT Policies. Windows 7 has AppLocker if an organization wants to do the white list/default deny route.

      Actually, that function has been present since windows 2000. You can set policies in active directory to do that.

  8. Don't need P2P for these problems by originalhack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The amazing thing about these "Information Security Awareness Monthly" postings is that they blame P2P and then cite the example of a user using a P2P network to download an executable that contains a trojan. I guess that executables taken from regular webservers are fine, then.

    1. Re:Don't need P2P for these problems by Myrcutio · · Score: 1

      As if anyone even remotely computer literate uses windows for secure documents. Instead of security awareness, i propose we try to promote "Ignorance Awareness" (hey it's an oxymoron!) month, and hopefully shame the politicians into learning that net neutrality won't eat their babies.

  9. They shouldn't even have the Internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any sort of malware can be picked up by browsing the Web if the browser or its plugins are exploitable.

    And with litigious entities able to pry into any computer or data storage you own entirely on the basis of an IP address given them by people they employ or contract, I just don't feel it's an acceptable risk to allow any computer with government information to be anywhere near a device capable of using an IP address. Even if said device is a laser printer.

  10. Why not get rid of the 'net? by muppetman462 · · Score: 1

    This is completely insane. Blaming P2P for the leak instead of having control over the documents. I know with the NMCI system, anything that is transferred to a external hard drive is encrypted. If the US Government wants to stop these types of leaks, maybe they should ask Al Gore how to stop his wonderful invention.

  11. Doesn't this actually show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...the need for more ethical members of Congress?

  12. Terrible P2P Regulation Bill Will Be Fast-Tracked by wufpak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For months now, some RIAA-influenced Congressmen have been working on a crazily overbroad P2P regulation bill, H.R. 1319: The Informed P2P User Act. It just passed out of committee last month.

    I would expect Congressmen to be falling all over each other to bring this to a vote now. After all, it's they're no longer just doing it for the RIAA/MPAA "campaign contributions." Now, it's personal.

  13. DRM here is good by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

    No, I'm not blaming P2P for anything, but rather I am saying this is the exact situation where DRM could be useful. A proper document management system would have prevent an information leak, even if the document itself had leaked.

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    1. Re:DRM here is good by CSMatt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't confuse DRM with security. DRM exists for stuff that is supposed to be generally available for everyone, but has locks and restrictions on its use, even after the transaction or exchange of money. Security is for confidential stuff that is not designed to be accessed by everyone, even if they can pay. Those who use DRM may still want the public to use their stuff, but only on their terms. This is a case where those who wrote the document did not intend for it to become public at all.

    2. Re:DRM here is good by symbolset · · Score: 1

      A proper document management system would have prevent an information leak, even if the document itself had leaked.

      A proper documet management system with confidential information would have never been connected to the Internet.

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    3. Re:DRM here is good by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, a proper document management system would almost HAVE to be on the internet ( dependent on the organization in question of course ). The centralized server which controls access will need to be accessible somehow, and depending on the number of external entities involved I see no efficient method to grant them access other than to chat with the central server.

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    4. Re:DRM here is good by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      DRM stands for Digital Rights Management, which is exactly what we're talking about here. The term has been sullied by the RIAA/MPAA, but ignoring their attempts that's exactly what they should have done with this document; managed rights on the document.

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    5. Re:DRM here is good by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the phrase "digital rights management" was invented to describe the kind of thing the RIAA/MPAA/BSA pushes, after people got wise to the fact that "copy protection" meant there was a very good chance that legitimately purchased music, movies, or software wouldn't work on their home machines. I certainly can't remember a case when "DRM" has been used to describe a legitimate computer security practice. And for things like not sharing confidential documents over P2P, "computer security" (or in context, just plain "security") is a perfectly adequate description.

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    6. Re:DRM here is good by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      The purpose for it's invention is immaterial, the concept exists, as well as a need, and it has a name. Like it or not, DRM is it.

      Or are we back to calling things by fluffy names because we can't handle the associations anymore? Freedom fries anyone?

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  14. SOME p2p software by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2, Funny

    How unfortunate for the RIAA that their biggest target can't leak information like that.

    1. Re:SOME p2p software by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Most of the information leak and inadvertent downloading of malware arguments are appropriate for Gnutella-like networks. As you point out, it's very unlikely to accidentally leak information over BitTorrent. It's also quite unlikely to accidentally download malware when downloading music or movies over BitTorrent.

    2. Re:SOME p2p software by daveime · · Score: 1

      Which begs the question, did the person holding the document intentionally create a .torrent file of it, and where exactly did he submit it to, seeing as how piratebay.org seems to be down more than up these days ?

      As you say, it'll be one of those scumware BearShare type things that not only installs all kinds of spyware on your machine, but opens up your entire C: drive to the world unless you stop it.

      I think the government needs an internal IT policy that if you must work on confidential documents and home, AND download the latest pr0n movies at the same time, at least use a more "secure" protocol (in terms of what you are actually sharing), like BitTorrent for example.

    3. Re:SOME p2p software by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 3, Informative

      I disagree, it is entirely possible to get malware when downloading music or movies. Use caution when retrieving torrent files from sites you do not trust. This includes indexing engines. BitTorrent is very safe when used with torrents from trustworthy sites; ubuntu.com, openoffice.org, no problem.

  15. Dear RIAA by seeker_1us · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "the ridiculous statement was evidence of a need for controls on corporate media conglomorates to block the improper or illegal control of distribution channels to maintain a monopoly over content distribution."

    There, fixed that for you.

  16. Accidents do happen but ..... by Usagi_yo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you seriously think that this was inadvertent, they you should probably read more Machiavelli

    1. Re:Accidents do happen but ..... by PPH · · Score: 1

      Good point. The P2P excuse, "inadvertently" placing sensitive documents in a shared folder is indicative of either a moron for a staffer. Or more likely setting up plausible deniability. There is no provable intent, so there's no criminal liability.

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  17. Yep, networks are awful things by gilesjuk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The RIAA would love for networks and the Internet to vanish. Sharing information electronically obviously upsets them.

    Which cave did they crawl out of?

    Many files have been copied and accessed due to Windows file sharing mistakenly enabled on a public LAN, should it be banned too?

    1. Re:Yep, networks are awful things by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      The RIAA would love for networks and the Internet to vanish. Sharing information electronically obviously upsets them.

      Not quite. They want money out of everything on the Internet. Problem is, they haven't figured out how to pull that off in a way to maximise their own profits. They just want to roll back technology to something they can control and charge out the ass for.

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  18. A potent force for destabilization. by MarkvW · · Score: 1

    The computer and the internet are potent forces for destablization, but they are also potent forces for control. We're fortunate to live in an age where we can watch people grapple over their initial implementation.

    1. Re:A potent force for destabilization. by hitmark · · Score: 1

      may i suggest we do more then watch?

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  19. P2P = "Open Information Network" by presidenteloco · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any time you read "peer to peer software" in a RIAA statement or legal proposal, you should
    substitute "open information networks", because there is no essential difference between those
    concepts.

    So what the RIAA is saying is:
    "the disclosure was evidence of a need for controls on open information networks to block the improper or illegal exchange of music."

    That allows us to frame the debate properly.

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  20. RIAA Bullsh*t by PPH · · Score: 1

    The problem was the leak, not the subsequent distribution. DRM, applied at the source (the Legislature's offices) would have stopped the leak. Or at least provided a trail to its source. But once information is out there in the wild, its too late.

    From the RIAA's point of view, stopping most of the distribution of copied content is good enough. But for leaks like this, one or two copies forwarded to the right people is sufficient to do damage. For example, the Pentagon papers didn't need widespread distribution to cause a stink.

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    1. Re:RIAA Bullsh*t by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      They absolutely should be using DRM -- on the secret document. Trying to get everyone to stop using P2P software may be the least efficient way to tackle this problem.

  21. What we really need by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

    We don't need any more file sharing, or file sharing rules. We really need politician sharing! Let's start sharing politicians with the Moon, Mars, Jupiter, and especially with Uranus. Oh - wait - that last would be redundant, wouldn't it?

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  22. Re:Terrible P2P Regulation Bill Will Be Fast-Track by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

    On sheer technicals alone, that bill would outlaw the internet. Viewing a webpage is a peer to peer event involving downloading files (html code, images, javascript, etc) to another computer.

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  23. More Please by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    a 'confidential House ethics committee report,' was recently leaked through file-sharing software to the Washington Post.

    Hi Government,

    I like when the government tells me, even unintentionally, about things that it is doing to investigate allegations of wrongdoing. I would like you to do more investigations and to loop us (your employers) in on the details of the process and the outcomes. Some people will misinterpret such investigations in both directions. That is not cause to shield us from the information, it is cause to shed more daylight on the process so we, your employers, can understand what you are up to each day. This is much like my boss asking me to keep him in the loop on the projects I work on, and is commonly referred to as "accountability."

    In short: More disclosures, please -- accidental, intentional, and malicious alike.

    Sincerely,

    Your Boss

    1. Re:More Please by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

      And another thing:

      How many column inches did your corporation dedicate to Balloon Boy? If the answer is more than "1", then I submit that your corporation is part of the problem, not part of the solution. That is an example of what is wrong with for-profit journalism, and the very reason that many of us would be happy to see it die its rightful death.

      You want to be a journalist? I applaud you, for we have very few of those left outside of YouTube and the blogosphere (though those media, of course, comprise also the typical rabble of any crowd) -- it might be refreshing to have a member of the traditional media who cared first, last, and always for journalism over sales. If that is you, then may I kindly suggest that you discard the shackles of that sensationalist rag-shadow of a once noble institution, and do what you claim to believe in. Show me your ethics, then perhaps I shall consider your message to have some principled weight.

  24. SSSSHHHHH!!!!!! Dont let them know!!!! by Majestix · · Score: 1

    ...now they'll stop using P2P software and we'll never find anything out.

    So i guess this means that P2P software would be a lot more stealthy so things like this dont happen ;)

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  25. Should have called the Bush IT people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Should have called some of Bush's old IT people - not only did they avoid leaks, they were fans of destroying incriminating evidence *before* it leaked!

  26. Nothing to do with P2P!! by cdn-programmer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This has NOTHING to do with P2P. They might not even be able to show P2P software had anything to do with it. The issue is that ANYONE who is stupid enough to hook a machine dealing with confidential information to the net is a bleeding fool and this includes all my lawyers' secretaries who had their word processing machines on the net - the lawyer who sent me his complete client list, a certain accountant who dropped off at a pawn shop (for $25 bux) all her clients income tax returns along with her DLT7000 (70 GB folks & the tape was in the $3500++ drive!). She used it to backup what ultimately would fit on a couple CD's! She _could_ have simply copied each years tax return to a floppy disk for the specific client! The list also includes a company that had their accounting staff re-input months of work because they picked up a virus in their key machines.

    Computers are so cheap that it makes no sense what so ever to take chances like this.

  27. To all legislators by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    You should had read better our latest memo. Our company proposal targets exactly the source of the current information leaking problem. By using stealth technology, disguising as one of the culprit software, it infiltrate in their networks and kill those pesky PEBCAK softwares that are giving so much headaches lately. Give our company full freedom to act and that problem will be terminated.

    Yours Truly
    John Connor III
    Cyberdyne Systems

  28. Re:Terrible P2P Regulation Bill Will Be Fast-Track by Renraku · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That bill is there so that someone has to fry.

    No longer can you say, "I didn't know it had installed itself and started downloading all the new movies in music, and then saved them to my 'Movies' folder." and have a reasonable doubt. Now you'll have to prove that the software in question didn't tell you that it was installing, and if it's true, the company will get nailed to the wall for it.

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  29. Re:Terrible P2P Regulation Bill Will Be Fast-Track by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    That bill you linked to qualifies as "mostly harmless" - the keywords and tricky phrases you should be paying attention to are "owner or authorized user".

    Note that it's all about what people who are NOT the "owner or authorized user" are allowed to inflict upon the "owner or authorized user".

    Note that since you are, presumably, the "owner or authorized user" of your personal computer, nothing in this bill would have any effect whatsoever on what you can do with your own computer.

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    "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
  30. blame spellcheck by Myrcutio · · Score: 1

    It wasn't the parent! Spellcheck "fixed" his proper grammar incorrectly. Damn you spellcheck!

  31. Re:Terrible P2P Regulation Bill Will Be Fast-Track by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

    I don't think it's a big deal. It just means that a program must tell a user, "Your files you send via this program will be visible to other people." Most P2P programs, and even web browsers, already do this so nothing's going to change.

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  32. Why is this wrong? by njfuzzy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't think it's crazy to say that a piece of software that 90% of people think of as being for downloading, but that also shares your files automagically in a non-transparent way, is a bad idea. Any file-sharing should be opt-in, not automatically and quietly sharing an unspecified are of your drive.

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    1. Re:Why is this wrong? by smoker2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You must be american. Sharing is usually at least 2 way.

    2. Re:Why is this wrong? by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which P2P sharing program are you referring to? The ones I've seen or tried have always made it fairly clear what they're sharing on your drive. LimeWire for example, displays a big list on your screen of the files it's marking for sharing if you click the "Share" button under "My Library" and try to share all your media. It has filters, as well, to make it easy to only share files with certain extensions (like MP3 or AVI).

      I don't get how someone could overlook the fact it shares their material, even IF the default happens to be enabling the sharing functionality? If you're purposely ignoring a "What I'm sharing" link right at the top of the screen, and so forth - then I'd say it's the USER'S fault.

    3. Re:Why is this wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But it doesn't share an "unspecified area" ... it shares a clearly defined area. Just because you don't see the stop sign doesn't mean it isn't there when you run it. We simply have a large percentage of monkeys pushing buttons on these things. Most of them failed to attend the monolith meetings...

  33. Wow... who knew.... by rickb928 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ....that P2P software would 'used' as a tool of democracy and open government?

    Didn't see that coming.

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    deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
  34. can't blame p2p software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This mistake kind of seems similar to accidentally clicking "Reply All" for an email message.
    It figures the RIAA would use this to their advantage, even though illegal music downloads have nothing whatsoever to do with a house ethics committee report.

  35. And you believe that??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    And you believe that???

    DRM is about selling you a movie that you can watch but not sell it to you so you can read it.

    ENCRYPTION is about keeping something secret.

    1. Re:And you believe that??? by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      You don't have DRM without some form of encryption.

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  36. Re:Terrible P2P Regulation Bill Will Be Fast-Track by wufpak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    IANAL, but I'd never before heard of a law that explicitly required software to behave in a very specific way, and display very specific warnings. That alone tips this bill into the "big deal" category for me.

    Add to this the tendency of prosecutors to misuse Federal statutes in ways that clearly exceed the legislative intent, and this law seems to open the door for prosecution of any government-targeted "bad guy" who also happens to have such 'illegal' network software.

    And, of course, the original reason for this bill also stinks: it's almost certainly an RIAA-bought-and-paid-for law clearly designed to eliminate the "I didn't know" defense when suing file-sharers.

  37. Government shold censor mail!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Government shold censor mail to prevent exchange of book parts and base64ed music!

  38. Re:Terrible P2P Regulation Bill Will Be Fast-Track by shentino · · Score: 1

    Which is where selective enforcement would happily come into place...unless you actually RTFB.

  39. Re:Terrible P2P Regulation Bill Will Be Fast-Track by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My issue with it is that it specifically requires apps to change. If the app doesn't change, it's illegal. I'm not sure though what I can do to block it from being passed. Any ideas?

  40. Re:Terrible P2P Regulation Bill Will Be Fast-Track by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Want to defeat the law? Easy! Just bring more cash to the table than the **AA.

    Also: This law protects America against leaking National Security information. Why do you hate America?

  41. I blame copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we're going to blame P2P software, we might as well blame the reason they were even invented - copyright and censorship.

    If it wasn't for laws impeding the free flow of information, there wouldn't be a need for tools that try to keep the flow of information below the radar. Everything you could possibly want would be available as a direct HTTP or FTP download. It would probably even be mirrored by ISPs to cut bandwidth costs.

  42. How "convenient". by oDDmON+oUT · · Score: 1

    Need a motive to craft censoring legislation?

    Induse some "junior staffer" to have a brain fart, placing a confidential file where it can be vampired off and forwarded as a "leak" to a rag in dire need of boosting its readership.

    Has anyone thought to ask who this junior staffer was, and why they had this document at home in an insecure setting?

    No, of course not.

    --
    Some days it's just not worth
    chewing through my restraints.
  43. Um, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are a fucking idiot.

  44. Illicit Activities... by hackus · · Score: 1

    and other such things our government engages in, could ultimately be exposed on a P2P network rather easily.

    I can see why lawmakers...excuse me, corporations are rather in a hurry to pass laws to make software of any kind, not approved by the government...(sorry...there I go again....I mean corporations of course....living in the past I guess...) illegal, punishable by long prison sentences, hard labour or both.

    -Hack

    --
    Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
  45. Peer to peer by AniVisual · · Score: 1

    Look, this kind of stuff is only possible because it all exists in an abstract world called the Internet. In real life, such a bill would be ridiculous. By banning P2P, the only way you can communicate with a friend would be through centralized mass media, which analogue online are service providers like gmail. No possibility of gossip without a Big Brother eavesdropping. I sure as hell do not entertain there being no possibility to not let a third-party through my communications. After restricting torrents, I'm certain e-mail will be the next to be DRM'd.

  46. Blaming the software? by rnturn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why the heck isn't someone reaming out the employee/staffer who used his government computer system for personal use? A screw-up like this in the private sector would get him/her fired from many companies for violating company policy regarding the allowed use of the computer system. If that member of congress's office didn't have an acceptable use policy, I'll bet they have one by Monday. It may not be popular to write this on Slashdot but if your employer provides you with a PC for use in your work, it's not really a "personal" computer and you really shouldn't be placing anything on it more personal than, say, a favorite wallpaper.

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    1. Re:Blaming the software? by harryjohnston · · Score: 1

      Why the heck isn't someone reaming out the employee/staffer who used his government computer system for personal use?

      They fired him, does that count?

  47. I've got a real problem with this article by uuddlrlrab · · Score: 1
    ...in the assertion that p2p software is maliciously allowing files not intended for distribution by the user to be shared. I don't doubt there are some bad apps out there that contain stuff that should never be allowed on any decent persons hard drive, but I've yet to see any explanation about how exactly this sharing is going on against the users wishes. Is there evidence of any rootkits? Any malware setting up connections that don't seem to match the p2p program? I noticed that little linked writeup blasting how a particular program, KaZaA, I believe, didn't accurately show what was shared was actually written in 2002. Nice to see how a seven year old piece is suddenly 'evidence'. If the only real issue is these bright gentlemen not knowing...
    • The My Documents folder is a special folder that, by default, is located on the C:\ drive
    • That most software, Explorer.exe itself included, by default, will recurse subdirectories
    • Most of the things discussed here can be changed, like what folders you are sharing, and even where My Docs points can be changed too...like to a different drive
    • If you have anything above retard level intelligence, you'd know to keep sensitive material anywhere but a default, commonly trolled, and (lacking proper security) easily exploitable folder like My Docs...
    • ...Like, say, in an encrypted, password-protected archive on a flash drive you never let out of your sight? Or better yet, said archive on a fully encrypted portable hard drive that you make sure not to leave plugged in...
    • Best solution, don't run your p2p on the same system as for super secret government work; you could maybe try running the p2p under a restricted linux virtual machine? At bare minimum, create a separate special user account specifically for either accessing the sensitive files, or else a restricted one for p2p activities

    ...then I'm inclined to think they're speaking as security experts, seeing as to how they've most certainly passed their advanced computer science classes. This isn't Soviet Russia, I'll skip the propaganda, thank you very much.

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  48. File sharing software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would be software with a name like copy, or cp. Dangerous, deadly stuff that. Computers seem to be full of software like this, be it copy, cp, memcpy, backup, sync, etc. ATROCIOUS! Surely the recorded music industry can charge a fee for every time data is duplicated. Doesn't matter if its music or not.

  49. http://www.kapindir.com by lale · · Score: 0, Troll
  50. Surely.. by mr_lizard13 · · Score: 1

    The solution is to put child-safety locks on weapons.

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  51. Probable... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    >Why the heck isn't someone reaming out the employee/staffer who used his government computer system for personal use
    Because, like most politicians, he was good at covering his ass, and in this case, probably said something to the effect of, I had no control over it, it just started downloading on its own, when we all KNOW that you can configure your limewire, or utorrent to only include certain folders to share. People like this give p2p a bad name, and yet linux and m$ both have been using it to improve their downloads for patches and updates. P2P is not the enemy, misguided users are.

    Of course though, people use this to catapult into a debate about P2P and torrent technology, not knowing how it works, and
    plan to ban the use of these apps....what non sense!!