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Fear Detector To Sniff Out Terrorists
Hugh Pickens writes "Evidence that the smell of fear is real was uncovered by US scientists last year who studied the underarm secretions of 20 terrified novice skydivers and found that people appear to respond unconsciously to the sweat smell of a frightened person. Now the Telegraph reports that researchers hope a 'fear detector' will make it possible to identify individuals at check points who are up to no good. 'The challenge lies in the characterization and identification of the specific chemical that gives away the signature of human fear, especially the fear in relation to criminal acts,' says Professor Tong Tun at City University London, who leads the team developing security sensor systems that can detect the human fear pheromone. The project will look at potential obstacles to the device, such as the effects of perfume and the variances in pheromone production and if the initial 18-month feasibility study is successful, the first detectors could be developed in the next two to three years. 'I do not see any particular reason why similar sensor techniques cannot be expanded to identify human smells by race, age or gender to build a profile of a criminal during or after an incident,' Tong added."
... or people who are afraid of being suspected of terrorism
What if the fear they detect in you is the fear of missing your flight while you're held up trying to convince security that you aren't a threat?
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If you have a true religious fanatic, who is looking forward to dying for a cause he believes in -- and is looking forward to eternity in the paradise-of-his-choice for his actions, would he* still show physiological signs of fear?
* (I think statistically, "he" is a fair generalization here.)
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People that are afraid of flying (or more accurately, crashing) will not need to worry about being picked out of the line for 'smelling suspiscious'! Not at all...
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This is so true.
All a fear detector detects is fear. Not intent or cause. Once they realize how many people are afraid in airports, they will quickly scrap this stupid idea.
They're using their grammar skills there.
Now the Telegraph reports that researchers hope a 'fear detector'' will make it possible to identify individuals at check points who are up to no good.
What about us law abiding citizens who are only afraid that our governments checkpoint workers are up to no good?
It is already a very real possibility for one of those people to make up any type of claim they want and detail you without letting you speak to a lawyer nor involve any courts.
The reason given can be as ridiculous as 'He had terrorist looking hair' and still be valid. Plenty of legit reason to be afraid of those people.
Not to mention the fact I have no doubt at least a subset of these checkpoints will be at places where fear is natural (IE airports, fear of flying, or fear of falling out of the sky in a fireball)
Will deodorant and perfume be classified as a terrorist munition now?
The idea that there's a special chemical signal for "fear in relation to criminal acts" seems to come out of absolutely nowhere. Shouldn't there be some research into whether such a chemical signal exists before device development occurs? If it's not a magic detector of latent emotion or the cause of emotion so I'm not sure how much better it would be than noticing which people "look a bit afraid". It's going to be just as susceptible to picking up people who find flying difficult or are worried about being falsely accused of being a terrorist because they look funny.
No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
They decided people weren't taking FDR's warning seriously enough so they'd give us a damn good reason to fear fear itself.
Do scientist have nothing better to do nowadays. Fear is an emotiona that could be the result of hundreds of different causes. Fear from stress, fear of losing money, fear of an individual, fear of going to an intervew etc, etc. How do these scientist aim to differentiate fear of criminal activity from other causes. Waste of time.
Great, just what we need, more profiling in place of real security. And just how is this supposed to work with psychopaths who do not experience the emotion of fear?
All a fear detector detects is fear. Not intent or cause. Once they realize how many people are afraid in airports, they will quickly scrap this stupid idea.
Unfortunately that is probably exactly what they want.
This device is 'scientific proof' (AKA the computer said so) for arresting any one of 90% of the people there that they might want to arrest for some reason.
Think dousing rods here. It's an enforcement departments wet dream.
1: Develop System to detect when someone is "afraid"
2: Let citizens know that those who are "afraid" will be detected, detained and questioned for "citizen safety".
3: Citizens are now afraid to go through on the idea that maybe they will somehow set off the alarm.
Tons of false positives. After the first story of a false positive, some people become afraid of being a false positive as well. As more and more stories of false positives arise, more and more people become afraid and become more false positives.
Detect terrorists, that is.
Not while there are anti-anxiety drugs out there.
What you will detect is a bunch of false positives that will keep you busy "detecting" while trucks loaded with bags of ammonium-nitrate explosive merrily (but calmly) pass you by.
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Isn't this a step towards thought crime?
"He's scared, arrest him!"
Who said they'd be limited to airports?
will make it possible to identify individuals at check points
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If this is really put into use I guarantee you that pranksters will be doing exactly that. They don't even care about the Profit!!!! They'll do it just for the lulz.
And there are people who can be calm under any circumstance. If you're full of opiates you don't care about (or fear) anything. Then there's "liquid courage" at the airport bar.
This smells like failure.
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A number of false positives reported in the media, and everybody will fear that machine...
Almost everything.
Usually for these loss of freedom stories, we get the bleated "If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to be afraid of" response. Where is it? Wait, what's that I smell? Scared sheeple?
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It should stop the rogue unprepared school shooting type person.
Or cause them to shoot the guard manning it. I've never felt 'safer' in a building with a metal detector. I've certainly felt less free.
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Why is the terrorist supposed to be afraid? Many of them have trained for years to do the hijacking, and fear is not what those who survived described. Besides, many of the terrorists here in Europe have been taking drugs to ensure top performance. So what you are looking for is not somebody scared out of his pants. You are looking for a calm professional on benzedrine.
Basically, we just spent a bunch of money to get worse results and create more chaos.
Well then I'm sure somebody somewhere is wearing a satisfied smile and telling themselves "my work is done here!"
If libertarians are so opposed to effective government, why don't they all move to Somalia?
Being afraid isn't a crime, nor is it probable cause for a search.
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Nobody said they'd be limited to airports.
It's just that a fear of flying isn't normally a problem when the checkpoint is at the railway station or a border crossing. ;-)
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I just noticed this: "Your subject has negative warrants for arrest and negative prior history. He does have a valid oil land(?) that expires 2014." What the frak? They have a central computer to track all our history, even in foreign states that are 1000 miles away from where we live? Dang.
Other annoyances:
- "Why do you have this money?"
- "What's your occupation?"
- "It's not a matter of the law." - The Constitution is the law. It specifically forbids this type of detainment unless a judge okays it.
- "You're acting like a child." - No he's acting like a liberated person. Slavery ended 150 years ago. Liberated people have no masters and have the right to remain silent.
- "I don't have to let you travel." - The U.S. government official is violating the inalienable right to travel freely across the Union of states. (See SCOTUS cases.)
- "We'll have to take him down to the station and let the DEA and FBI question him..... we'll find out if you stole this money." - Wow. He's carrying lots of money, so suddenly he's an expected drug dealer or user? We have to involve the DEA??? I guess it's not safe to go on vacation anymore.
"What's Campaign for Liberty?" - that's something that doesn't exist anymore
Like I said before rather than play games with these goose-stepping thugs, I'd simply exercise my Miranda rights and shut up. That's what I did when I was detained in Texas. They wanted to search the trunk of my car. I refused. They held me in the cold night air for an hour asking questions and demanding the trunk be opened, and I refused to talk. Finally let me go. It's bullshit that officers think they can detain a guy on vacation and search his trunk without a warrant. (SCOTUS has confirmed they can not.)
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In away your right, from what I understand suicide bombers aren't even remotely afraid or even consider what they are doing to be anything but gods holy work.
They are people, too. Humans who their religion, peer pressure, status in society (you don't see wealthy businessmen blowing themselves up), etc. has forced to do something horrible. While they are doing something really bad, they are still humans and have emotions.
What do you think that a person thinks before blowing himself up in the middle of a crowd? Among people, some of whom might remind them of their own familymembers, for example? Maybe they have doubts about whether what they are doing is right or not (they have been told that it is right, but is it...). Maybe they are thinking of those family members who the'll never see again but who will be financially provided by the terrorist organization. Maybe they are thinking about surrendering to the officials while knowing that they will be no doubt thrown to jail for the rest of their life (with no fair trial) even if they do so (and their families might starve then). Maybe they are thinking what will happen if they get caught, can't push the button and certainly will neither get to heaven or get their families provided with...
Religious or not, these are humans we are talking about. They might do horrible things when the circumstances force them to but even then, they do have emotions.
A terrorist is going to be a LOT more afraid of getting on that plane and detonating a bomb on it,
And there is the fallacious assumption of your entire argument. You assume that there even are people trying to get on planes with bombs these days. Further more, you assume that there are enough of those people, in comparison to innocent travelers, to pose a significant risk. Honestly, how many airplane hijackings/terrorist acts have you heard of since 9/11? Any 'terrorist' (or activist or freedom fighter or whatever) that has any shred of intelligence whatsoever is not going to be trying to use airplanes for terror attacks after 9/11. It is unoriginal, and therefore risky. I would wager (no, its not fact, I know that) that the next significant report of terrorism (meaning X many people died) is going to come in some form of an attack that was completely unexpected and unaccounted for.
Beefing up airport security to extremely high levels (some security is necessary and should exist) is a very flashy attempt to close a barn door, lock it, nail-board it shut, and put a bomb shelter around it after the horse has already left.
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