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Easing the Job of Family Tech Support?

DarkDevil writes "Ever since I was introduced to computers at a very young age, I've been the resident tech support for a household of 7 users. I've been in a cycle for the last ~8 years where something happens to my parents' computer, I spend a week or two trying to non-destructively fix the problem (and try to explain to the users what caused it and how to avoid it), and then if it's not easily fixed I'll reformat and start from scratch. Most often, the level of infection warrants a reformat, which usually ends up taking even more time to get the computer back to how my parents know how to use it. 4-8 months later, it happens again. Recently, I found ~380 instances of malware and 6 viruses. I only realized something was wrong with their computer after it slowed down the entire network whenever anyone used it. My question for Slashdot is: are there any resources out there that explain computer viruses, malware, adware, and general safe computer practices to non-technical people in an easy-to-digest format? The security flaws in my house are 9, 26, and ~50 years old, with no technical background aside from surfing the internet. Something in video format would be ideal as they are perfectly happy with our current arrangement and so it'll be hard to get them reading pages and pages of technical papers."

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  1. MS SteadyState by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Try MS SteadyState

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/sharedaccess/default.mspx

    1. Re:MS SteadyState by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know? It's pretty damned sad that OS stability and security has to be offered as a separate frickin' package to the OS itself.

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  2. Install Ubuntu by HalifaxRage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > no technical background aside from surfing the internet Sounds like a perfect audience for an OS with fewer security flaws.

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    1. Re:Install Ubuntu by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ... and if it has to be Windows for some strange reason. Give them Limited User accounts. You'll be the sole Admin (and you won't use it yourself... just User for day to day tasks) and because of that you'll have to approve or disapprove all software that has to be installed.

      I have this modus operandi with my family and it works very well. Technically, you have to see a family as a small business operation where you are the IT guy.

    2. Re:Install Ubuntu by dargaud · · Score: 5, Interesting

      no technical background aside from surfing the internet. Sounds like a perfect audience for an OS with fewer security flaws.

      In the same situation, let me relate my story: Over at my parents' for the WE almost a year ago I had yet again to reinstall the whole shebang after a hardware improvement was 'refused' by XP. After a day and a half installing XP, downloading SPs and updates, downloading all apps, configuring them, etc, it crashed during the XP3 install. Wouldn't boot. I had 2 hours left.

      As an experiment and a last minute move, I installed Kubuntu. 10 minutes for the install, 20 minutes to configure custom icons on the desktop links to firefox, kmail, dolphin, Xsane and a SD card image transfer script. I didn't even show them the result, just as an experiment. And I left. They called only once after 2 weeks: "Yeah it works fine, but we don't have skype anymore", which I promptly remotely installed. I consider this experiment a great success.

      On the other hand, in order to escape Linux, my sister bought a Mac.

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  3. Correct User Access by jeffy210 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've found the best thing is to treat them like a corporation. Make sure their accounts are only user level, and either hold on to the Administrator password or make sure they know the real reason to use it. Done that with a few family friends I do work for and the amount of trouble i've had has dropped drastically.

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  4. The butterfly Parable by Martin+Spamer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An insight into Mentoring & coaching

    One day a man finds a cocoon for a butterfly with a small opening, he sits and watches the butterfly for several hours as it struggled to force its body through the little hole. Then it seemed to stop making any progress. It appeared stuck.

    The man decided to help the butterfly and with a pair of scissors he cut open the cocoon. The butterfly emerges easily, but something was strange. The butterfly had a swollen body and shrivelled wings. The man watched the butterfly expecting it to take on its correct proportions. But nothing changed.

    The butterfly stayed the same. It was never able to fly. In his kindness and haste the man did not realise that the butterfly's struggle to get through the small opening of the cocoon is nature's way of forcing fluid from the body of the butterfly into its wings so that it would be ready for flight.

    Like the sapling which grows strong from being buffeted by the wind, in life we all need to struggle sometimes to make us strong.

    When we coach others it is helpful to recognize when people need to do things for themselves.

  5. Re:Buy them a Mac by Dynedain · · Score: 5, Informative

    I completely agree. I did the exact same thing.

    The most beautiful part? When I was convincing them to pick up a Mini to replace their dying PC, my dad's first question was (I kid you not): "But will it run Firefox and OpenOffice?"

    I almost cried.

    And if I do need to give them support? 99% of the time I can just have them fire up iChat and share their desktop with me. Quick and easy for them, and doesn't require messing with opening ports in any firewalls or NATs.

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  6. You can't teach people who don't want to learn by celest · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In my experience, it is not an issue of easy-to-digest material, and explanations that they understand. It's a hard mental block. I've been in the same cycle for 10+ years, and my parents have said, flat out, they they "just can't learn". I've tried written, step-by-step instructions; I've tried demonstrating; I've tried tutorials. It's not the information or how it is presented. It's a mental block about learning new things.

    "Why can't it just work?", and the fact that it doesn't is put on my shoulders as the "tech" generation. And that's that.

    What really gets me angry is that they are helpless to do anything in their daily lives without their computer, and blame me for that fact (Cause *I* created all malware and put it on their computer, clearly), while simultaneously ridiculing my choice of career as worthless, because "technology is not important". The irony is lost on them. Completely.

    The war you are facing is a cultural one, not a technical, or information/communication one. It's one better asked to a psychologist than Slashdot. Best of luck.

    1. Re:You can't teach people who don't want to learn by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      parents have said, flat out, they they "just can't learn".

      Proper response: If you can't learn, I can't help. Sorry.

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  7. The last time I had this problem... by orsty3001 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had an old man that had trouble using computers, always getting viruses and what not. I installed Ubuntu to head off a lot of these problem but he refused to use it. He wouldn't even let it boot all the way up. He saw the splash screen and just turned it off. Next thing I know I got a request to appear in court in the mail and had to defend my actions to a judge that was just as ignorant of computers. I actually lost the law suit but was able to get the court to agree that my punishment was going to be to set the machine back like it was. In my book that's not a loss. It's what I wanted to do from the start if he didn't like it. After that I refuse to do anything for anyone that isn't paying me. No more favors, if any friends, neighbors or family want their computers fixed they can take it to a shop and pay to have it fixed. Something a lot of computer techs need to learn to do. When someone asks of you can fix their problem recite, "I really don't know that much about computers." I say this in the mirror from time to time.

  8. Oblig. XKCD by Kadagan+AU · · Score: 5, Informative

    Give them all this

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  9. Re:Give Up by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mod parent up. You failed at this back when you were at "a young age". What you should have done is fake some sort learning development problem, (eg dyslexia), and saved yourself a lot of hassle.

    (No, I couldn't find a link to that PA comic. Somebody else will have to do that.)

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  10. The 9-year-old is the key by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like it's time to transition your support job to the next generation.

  11. Re:here's where we get to hear someone spew by ColoBikerDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's what I did, and have been stress free for years. :)

  12. Re:Only every 8 months? Lucky. by IrrepressibleMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    I took a similar route and convinced my father, mother and both my brothers to buy Apple Macs.
    And before anyone starts bleating "but Macs can have problems too..." I'll tell you what I tell my family now when they call me with problems: "So what? I don't support Macs."

  13. Re:here's where we get to hear someone spew by coopaq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Same here. Please mod parent up. Its the damn truth!

    Unsure what all the hating of Apple hardware is on /. lately.
    Solid Unix based OS that your parents would never know about. Google developers use them.
    It's actually not about being hip. It's about getting work done.

  14. Re:here's where we get to hear someone spew by InsaneProcessor · · Score: 5, Funny

    My neighbor did that and now he doesn't have any maintenance issues but he is broke.

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  15. Re:Get a Mac by fahrvergnugen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This. My 60-year-old father can tell the make and model of any car manufactured before the catalytic converter, just by hearing the sound of an engine. As a career veterinarian with 30+ years of experience and an interest in staying abreast, he is intimately familiar with the latest in small animal medicine. But when it comes to anything with transistors, he knows only the basics. He's always found them frustrating and irritating, and only started using email about 6 years ago when forced into it by an extended vacation my mother took alone. He only got a cell phone 2 years ago. I used to spend hours each month helping him maintain his slow-because-he-bought-a-P4-with-SDRAM Windows computer.

    After being fed up with years of parental support, I convinced him with much prodding this past spring that instead of an HP, he should spend a bit more to buy a refurbished aluminum iMac with a full extended warranty and a Time Capsule. I was done with limited Windows profiles, spyware,Firefox with IE skins and changed icons, and all the rest. The Mac was a great decision. He's in love with it, and my Mom is now plotting her own mac purchase.

    I spent the largest part of the two hours of setup copying files via thumb drive, configuring his Safari Top Sites page, and getting Skype turned on so he can talk to my brother in Italy. Haven't really thought about it since, but after years as a reluctant computer user, he's blossomed with the Mac. The iPod he never used to use is suddenly full of podcasts and music, and we'll talk about the Writer's Almanac show a couple of times a week. His digital camera no longer stores all of his photos for viewing on the little screen, and he doesn't go to Walgreen's to get help make prints anymore. - instead, they're in iPhoto with face tags, organized into events, and he uses his own inkjet with photo paper now. He never has to futz with the mic or camera when he's doing a video call with my siblings. He's an avid skier, so we put the snow reports for his season ticket resorts on his Dashboard, as well as the weather reports and clocks for various places around the world where we have family.

    This is turning into a Mac ad, and I didn't mean that. Clearly all of these things can be done with Windows/Linux. My point is that the right combination of technology, in my case an iMac, managed to excite my father into an interest in my own passions, while simultaneously opening up all the really cool parts of the internet to him. And in the process, I no longer have to do any tech support for him. I don't have to worry about backups, I don't have to worry about viruses, I don't have to worry about email attachments, I don't have to worry about "How do I..." phone calls.

    Instead, we have more things to talk about, and he's able to finally use these fantastic tools from which I've made my career. So: if the technology your family is using doesn't work for them, whether they're currently on Apple, Linux, or Microsoft OS's, try a different one. It's made all the difference for me.

    Caveat: I really can't recommend buying a computer without a user-serviceable hard disk unless you also buy the extended warranty. Apple wants $450 to replace the 320GB hard disk on an out-of-warranty iMac with another 320GB. I found out the hard way on my own iMac. To replace the disk in an iMac you have to remove the glass and the screen. Get dust between those two during the repair, and it's game over. This is the rare case where the warranty is money well spent.

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