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Samsung Sponsors the Development of Enlightenment

An anonymous reader writes "The Enlightenment window manager project has shared on its website that it now has the backing of a major (top-five) electronics manufacturer that will be actively sponsoring the project and using Enlightenment on its devices. No manufacturer was named, but Phoronix has dug deeper and found out that Samsung is sponsoring Enlightenment. Phoronix provides independent confirmation along with citing a new Enlightenment program that Samsung sponsored and then released under the LGPL-3. They also have videos of some of the new work to this window manager that Samsung funded."

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  1. Wow! by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

    Samsung Sponsors the Development of Enlightenment

    That's pretty ambitious. ;-)

    So, a Buddhist walks up to a hot dog vendor, and says "make me one with everything". :-P

    Cheers

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    1. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Samsung Sponsors the Development of Enlightenment

      That's pretty ambitious. ;-)

      So, a Buddhist walks up to a hot dog vendor, and says "make me one with everything". :-P

      Cheers

      The vendor hands him a fully loaded hot dog, and the Buddhist hands him a $20.
      After a few moments, the Buddhist asks for his change, and the hot dog vendor replies, "change must come from within".

    2. Re:Wow! by roystgnr · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's pretty ambitious.

      No, no, Samsung isn't funding an attempt to develop the attainment of a blessed state in which their customers can transcend desire and suffering and achieve Nirvana. That would be nearly impossible.

      Samsung is funding an attempt to develop for their customers a completed version of the Enlightenment Window Manager. That will be completely impossible.

  2. Seems Obvious by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Samsung is awesome, so is enlightenment.

    It's like Fluxbox in terms of resource use (and unfortunately on flashy little GUI indicators) but looks amazing!

    Kudos on this! Let's get windows management handled! It's been so many years of updates on something that should have been handled by now!

    1. Re:Seems Obvious by cptnapalm · · Score: 3, Informative

      Enlightenment is not Awesome.

      Awesome is awesome.

    2. Re:Seems Obvious by junglee_iitk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lets hope that Samsung manages to get e17 out of door in 2010.

      Wow, I was trying it out 5 years ago and it still hasn't seen a release.

    3. Re:Seems Obvious by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Informative

      They're terrible movies. Yes, even the first one.

      *sigh* Why do people insist in this lie? The Matrix had no sequels or video games.

  3. LGPL-3? by Kartoffel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Enlightment is BSD licensed. You can't just change it to LGPL-3.

    1. Re:LGPL-3? by yet-another-lobbyist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think he means that the new program (=application) that Samsung created was LGPL-3 licensed (and not Enlightenment itself). Shouldn't that be possible despite Enlightenment being BSD licensed?

    2. Re:LGPL-3? by Disgruntled+Goats · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, being BSD licensed, you can release a fork under a new license I believe since BSD is a permissive license.

      The reverse, however, would not be true.

      What you believe is wrong. The BSD doesn't let you change the license terms of the source code at your will. You must have permission from the copyright holder(s) to do so.

    3. Re:LGPL-3? by Disgruntled+Goats · · Score: 4, Informative

      To further add you may be confusing this with the fact that you can include BSD code inside other code that is licensed under another license, but this doesn't change the license that the BSD code is under.

    4. Re:LGPL-3? by Kartoffel · · Score: 3, Informative

      That is true. However, Samsung != the copyright holders. Samsung could, however, fork it and create their own thing, which would not be the same as Samsung developing the original unforked e.

    5. Re:LGPL-3? by Minwee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Samsung could, of course, hand over a fist full of dollars to the copyright holders and walk away with a copy of the code under whatever license they ask for.

      Or maybe I'm just making this up.

    6. Re:LGPL-3? by plasticsquirrel · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Actually, I believe that the terms of the BSD license do not restrict a developer from adding another license such as the GPL, to a software project. This would not remove the BSD license, but still effectively change the terms of subsequent modifications. In the words of Theo de Raadt:

      GPL fans said the great problem we would face is that companies would take our BSD code, modify it, and not give back. Nope -- the great problem we face is that people would wrap the GPL around our code, and lock us out in the same way that these supposed companies would lock us out. Just like the Linux community, we have many companies giving us code back, all the time. But once the code is GPL'd, we cannot get it back.

      Personally, I think this is one weakness of relying on "do whatever you want" licenses like BSD and MIT. Linux can always use BSD and GPL'd code, but the BSD devs want to stick with BSD for their kernels and other projects whenever possible.

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  4. Scooped by d34dluk3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Enlightenment already developed by Rousseau, Diderot, and Voltaire, among others.

  5. v2.0? by MonsterTrimble · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This can only be considered a good thing - another well funded GUI to go against Gnome, KDE & XCFE. Myself I have been looking over OpenGEU for a while (even ran it for a week) and while I really like some of the features it's not ready for prime time. I partially blame the integration of GTK pieces into Enlightenment but I feel that is a necessity at this moment. If funding from Samsung can improve Enlightenment to where it has a stable, 100% native suite then only good things can happen.

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  6. E17 is pretty stable now by jlowe · · Score: 5, Informative
    While news on the site may have been sparse, quite a lot of work has been going on with E17 development. The developers had released a roadmap showing that perhaps it would be ready for a Christmas release. While I doubt that milestone will be achieved, it has made significant progress.

    I've been using it for months as my desktop at home and on my laptop. It is quite usable and I've had zero crashes for a while now. Rasterman has always had a focus on small-screen devices, so this development doesn't surprise me. But if you haven't checked it out in a while, you should.

    1. Re:E17 is pretty stable now by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The developers had released a roadmap showing that perhaps it would be ready for a Christmas release.

      Did they mention the year? Or at least the decade?

      I remember waiting for E17. That was about two years before I switched to OS X, so it must be what, five years now?

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    2. Re:E17 is pretty stable now by jlowe · · Score: 3, Informative

      I will not argue that it's been a long time. I've been waiting a long time, too. I gave up on it years ago before recently trying again due to some positive things I was hearing.

      But I follow the commits pretty regularly, and many of the component software and libraries are reaching a 1.0 and mature status. They have a very clear roadmap to reach a stable release. As I said, I'm not saying they will make a Christmas release. But to go from years of, "it will be done when it's done" to "possibly release by Christmas," that's a pretty major shift in thinking.

      But I'm not taking the developers' word for it, nor should you take mine. Try it out. I think you will be impressed with the progress. It truly is already in a workable state for day-to-day use.

  7. Excellent! by Jerrry · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now maybe we'll see the final release of E17 before the 22nd century. Who knows, it may even come out before Duke Nukem Forever.

    1. Re:Excellent! by kwiqsilver · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now maybe we'll see the final release of E17 before the 22nd century. Who knows, it may even come out before Duke Nukem Forever.
      I'm sure the first thing Rasterman will do with this new funding is begin a complete rewrite of e from scratch. So once Mitsubishi starts sponsoring Duke Nukem, it'll be a tight race.

    2. Re:Excellent! by MrHanky · · Score: 3, Funny

      First they would have to re-implement Duke Nukem Forever. From scratch. DNF has always been the main dependency of Enlightenment. Remember when Rasterman ditched his entire EVAS library and starter again? It coincided with DNF's switch from the Quake engine to Unreal Engine. Every setback in E17's development has coincided with similar setbacks in DNF.

  8. I've always liked enlightenment. by QJimbo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I used it back in the days of SuSE 6.3 and really liked it then. It had the most eye candy and "slickness" at the time (1999 or so), blowing other WMs and Win98 out the water, I mean who couldn't love the semi-transparent "eTerm" windows?

    Other WMs have caught up now with the eye candy, but enlightenment is and was one of the few window managers that actually displayed innovation instead of simply tailing after windows and mac. It's nice to see it getting recognition.

  9. Very interesting by Lemming+Mark · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Enlightenment generally seems reckoned to be very nice technology. I've been repeatedly surprised to see Enlightenment popping up in commercial products here and there; Edje-based wallpapers can even be loaded in KDE now. Evidently it's a strong piece of work and it'll be really interesting to see where this sponsorship gets them. It certainly seems an enlightened approach.

  10. Windowmaker and GNUstep by argent · · Score: 4, Informative

    I wish someone would do the same with Windowmaker and GNUstep, but I suspect the licensing has closed off that path.

  11. Re:Kill the X Boondoggle Already by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Funny how this argument mostly comes from people who know virtually nothing about X. Most importantly, not the difference between the concept, the protocol and the implementation.

    And just because it's 20 years old doesn't mean it sucks. How old is TCP/IP? The mouse? The binary system?

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  12. Re:Used E again recently.... by rwa2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Are you talking about e16 ? Compositing and GL work fine in it (I'm using the release packaged in Debian). I'm actually quite surprised that people don't list it as one of the compositing window managers like Beryl / Compiz.

    It doesn't have as many extra features as Beryl / Compiz, but it has the few I care about... namely - composited drop shadows, true-translucent backgrounds in gnome-terminal, translucent window movement, and composited miniature windows in the pager.

    It's actually been much more stable than Beryl on my system... eventually Beryl seems to exhaust the video memory and I get lots of video corruption, which seldom happens under the e16 compositor. It's also pretty easy to turn compositing on and off when I want more GPU resources dedicated to an OpenGL app or game.

  13. Re:Some explain the Linux GUI thing? by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Informative

    They're different layers.

    X is the graphics system. It provides the video driver and makes pretty pictures show up on your screen.

    Enlightenment is a window manager, it gives those pretty pictures borders so that you can drag them around.

    Gnome is a Desktop Environment, which is a couple hundred programs that are designed to work together and work the same way. This includes a window manager, menus for launching programs and a place to hold minimized programs and icons, a file manager, network configuration tools, a terminal, calculator, scanning software, music player, cd ripper, graphics editors, etc etc.

    X is always there.

    The features that Enlightenment provides works using X.

    The features that Gnome provides works using a window manager and X. Gnome provides Metacity as its window manager by default, but you can use others like Enlightenment.

    This is highly consistent.

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  14. Re:Kill the X Boondoggle Already by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem with PulseAudio isn't PulseAudio. The problem is that the presently known-to-be-unstable PulseAudio/ALSA/apps combo is pushed to "stable" desktop distros. It's like KDE 4.0 "stable beta" release, only it's taking longer, and people are understandingly getting more impatient.

    Some guy out there simply knows that if he has PulseAudio, his sound is crap, and if he removes it using his package manager (which could well be Ubuntu "Add/Remove Software" or something similarly easy), it starts working.