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Linus Torvalds For Nobel Peace Prize?

Posted by kdawson on from the nice-step-towards-world-domination dept.

An anonymous reader writes "I'm as much of a Linux fanboy as anyone else, but I've never thought of anything in computing as being worth a Nobel Peace Prize. Apparently, there are those who take global collaboration seriously, though..." The suggestion has been bouncing around the Portland Linux community, where Torvalds lives. Is it worthy of wider attention and discussion?

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  1. He deserves it by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I come from 2051, in a timeline where Linux didn't exist. You don't want to hear about the Microsoft vs Apple netwar.

    1. Re:He deserves it by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny

      I come from 2051, in a timeline where Linux didn't exist. You don't want to hear about the Microsoft vs Apple netwar.

      Yes, it was terrible, all those Windows machines loaded with malware, all trying and failing to attack anything non-Microsoft, until Apple ended it by buying what was left of Microsoft in 2018 in an all-stock deal of 100 Microsoft shares for 1 Apple share, plus the lint in Steve Jobs' bellybutton.

      Now people's Windows machines work perfectly. Microsoft Windows - a product of Apple, Inc.

    2. Re:He deserves it by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I tend to agree, though I wouldn't discount Linus that much. He wrote the first versions of the kernel and has been its guiding force ever since, so it's not just a matter of being some random guy in an age long gone. Still, the whole movement in which Linux blossomed was by and large Stallman's creation and initiative, and even though he's a bit loopy and can be a major prick, if anyone deserves it, it's Stallman.

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    3. Re:He deserves it by PitaBred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...they work perfectly? So why are Apple products only #4 in reliability in this universe?

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    4. Re:He deserves it by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If anyone, it should be Stallman, for writing the GPL, for starting the free software movement and spreading knowlege of the existence of free software and for explicitly backing a public cause, and basically dedicating his life to it. In comparison, Torvalds is just an above average software engineer/project manager, who doesn't care about the public good so much as writing good code and getting the credit.

      That is the point. Stallman founded a religion, and Torvalds gave us a tool. Yes, you needed the religion first, but a lot more people were willing to work on the tool. That was the real tipping point for FOSS.

    5. Re:He deserves it by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now people's Windows machines work perfectly. Microsoft Windows - a product of Apple, Inc.

      ...but they now cost 1000x more than they should and they only do what robot warlord Steve Jobs thinks you should be able to do.

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    6. Re:He deserves it by Ash+Vince · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that without Linus I have a feeling that Linux would now be where Hurd is. Sometimes the people who have the best ideas are not necessarily the best people to implement them.

      Is there any reason they can't just give it to both of them?

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    7. Re:He deserves it by hitnrunrambler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I come from 2051, in a timeline where Linux didn't exist. You don't want to hear about the Microsoft vs Apple netwar.

      Yes, it was terrible, all those Windows machines loaded with malware, all trying and failing to attack anything non-Microsoft, until Apple ended it by buying what was left of Microsoft in 2018 in an all-stock deal of 100 Microsoft shares for 1 Apple share, plus the lint in Steve Jobs' bellybutton.

      Now people's Windows machines work perfectly. Microsoft Windows - a product of Apple, Inc.

      I come from a present where it's hard to convince people that greedy capitalist corporations are ruining everything good in the world, thank you for sharing the future with us. Maybe we can act now and change it.

    8. Re:He deserves it by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 3, Informative

      Number 4 according to Squaretrade, a company that sells warranties on computers and is a direct competitor to Apple's Applecare.

      Just saying.

      fwiw, Consumer Reports consistently ranks Apple at the top or near the top in satisfaction, reliability, and tech support. I can't draw any overall conclusions of my own since most laptop failures I have seen among my friends (covering the gamut of manufacturers) have been a result of physical abuse. otoh a laptop's ability to take abuse without breaking is a big selling point for me.

      -b

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    9. Re:He deserves it by erko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is the point. Stallman founded a religion, and Torvalds gave us a tool.

      Really? Maybe you aren't aware of the tools Stallman wrote? Stallman wrote the first versions of gcc, gdb, emacs, etc.
      So if you still want to oversimplify it, this is more accurate: Stallman created tools and created open source. Torvalds created a tool.

    10. Re:He deserves it by Interoperable · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Linux deserves a Nobel Peace Prize but I don't think that Linus does. If he were to receive one, it would as a figure to represent the Linux community on the whole. While I think that GPL and Linux have done a great deal that is in line with the goals of equality and global freedoms, I think that it has been an effort by a huge number of people. Linus started that and represents that, but at the end of the day, what he did was write and maintain a UNIX-like kernel. I don't think that the act of releasing that kernel under a free license constitutes an act worthy of a Nobel Prize.

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    11. Re:He deserves it by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That is the point. Stallman founded a religion, and Torvalds gave us a tool.

      No. It was Stallman who gave us the tool; the GPL. This licence is the magic ingredient that makes open source software possible. Without it, without Stallman's contribution, we'd still be stuck with mostly BSD style licences. Private companies would be mooching off and appropriating the work of FOSS programmers, people would be cynical about writing software for nothing, and we wouldn't have a fraction of the fantastic array of software we all have running on our desktops, including the Linux kernel.

      We'd all be paying $500 per operating system, and our program suites would mostly consist of massively duplicated pay to use, single function programs or else expensively licensed monolithic program suites like MS Office. Programs provided by private companies with lots of scope to monopolise, little incentive to innovate, and with general contempt for their users. Ask yourself, how would you encode a CD in windows, how would you compile a program, what email client would you use if you couldn't use open source software?

      This is what Richard Stallman rescued us from. Restrictive, expensive, bug ridden and often vindictive closed source software. Perhaps you do not like stances. That's fine. But you had best acknowledge that the reason you have a modern web browser to read this site with is largely down to the efforts he made probably before you were even born.

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    12. Re:He deserves it by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're looking for reasons to justify your viewpoint. The GP is right. In the old days, before the GPL became popular, independent programmers went the shareware route, not the free route. You don't remember the magazine articles and opinions that came out as free software became more popular, quite skeptical that it could actually work, and that was when it was already working. Sometimes someone has to come up with the idea and prove its viability before others will latch onto it. It was RMS who pushed the vision of free software, and others who caught on to the idea.

      You are right (which I have to say, otherwise you will try to continue being argumentative) that the other developers deserve credit, too. Of course they do. RMS couldn't have done it alone. But there is a reason RMS is well recognized.

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    13. Re:He deserves it by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can you compile a Linux kernel without gcc?

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    14. Re:He deserves it by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not knocking Linus Torvalds' achievements, but I don't see the connection here.

      Stallman set out with a vision and objectives (freedom of expression) that are consistent with the merits associated with the Nobel Peace Prize.

      I'm not sure Linus' motivations were ever more than an itch to scratch to satisfy his own needs (the lack of a suitably available kernel). He has stated that if either the GNU or 386BSD kernels were available at the time, he likely would not have written his own. It just snowballed from there and he was a better project manager than Stallman in making it happen. The success of Linux may largely be attributed to Linus' technical skills as well as his dictatorial style, which may effective in managing a largely distributed open source project, but is hardly representative of the traits and merits of the Nobel Peace Prize.

  2. Why not? by Xebikr · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure that at some point in his tenure as King of Linux he will do things worthy of the Nobel Peace prize. Let's just give it to him now to get it out of the way.

    1. Re:Why not? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Linux would definitely be more deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize that a couple of the last recipients that come to mind....

      He actually has put something tangible together, and overseen it for years, as opposed to someone nominated recently before he had even done anything.

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    2. Re:Why not? by Kryptonian+Jor-El · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They'll give a Nobel Peace Prize to ANYBODY these days...just look at the last guy who got it... Don't flame, I like Obama a lot, but I'll be damned as to why he won a peace prize for stuff he is 'going' to do

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    3. Re:Why not? by drakaan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was hoping somebody would point that out. I'd just say that, if you can get an award for things that you're *going* to do, Linus should start telling people that he's going to work hard for world peace in version 3.8 of the kernel. It'd be a no-brainer!

      For that matter...I'm working on version 6.0 of the linux kernel, which will not only end hunger, but make fusion-based power a reality and cure cancer. Who's gonna nominate me?

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  3. Linux Peace Prize? by Reason58 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are real people making real change on this planet. While I like Linux as much as the next guy, this is not going to happen.

    1. Re:Linux Peace Prize? by Jaysyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe not the Peace Prize, but I can see him getting the Economic Prize for Linux's economic impact on the business world & Internet.

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    2. Re:Linux Peace Prize? by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not? I mean, sure Torvalds isn't exactly a Ghandi (who ironically never got one, IIRC)...

      ...but then again, look who else got one: Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, Barack Obama - not as if these three gents had really done too much to earn it (okay, Carter brokered the Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement back in the 1970's which later fell apart, and did a lot of post-presidential negotiation work, but really... not much done by any of 'em - esp. compared to the likes of Martin Luther King Jr, FFS...)

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    3. Re:Linux Peace Prize? by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "(okay, Carter brokered the Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement back in the 1970's which later fell apart, and did a lot of post-presidential negotiation work, but really..."

      Look, I loathe Carter as much as the next gut, but at least get your facts straight. Carter won the prize for brokering the Egypt/Israeli peace agreement which, last I checked, still holds. That puts him pretty high on the list of people who have done something to further peace in the world, and he deserved the prize.

      Now, if he had only spent more time and attention on the US, maybe his presidency wouldn't be viewed as a total failure.

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    4. Re:Linux Peace Prize? by 0racle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Less than 2 decades ago, a project like Linux was unheard of and essentially considered impossible

      First off, Linus didn't do anything but release some code out to the wild. What happened happened because of others, most of whom you'll never know the name of. Linus didn't do anything except keep hacking away at his tool.

      Secondly, the GNU Project would most likely like to have a word with you. Founded (not by Linus) in 1983. Created most of an OS using a distributed development model (sound familiar) and was at the point that all Linus had to do was put a kernel under it in 1991. The Free Software community you attribute to Linus already existed. Linus used the fruits of their labor. The BSD project also already existed and if it weren't for a lawsuit from AT&T, you probably never would have heard of Linus Torvalds or Linux.

      FOSS is *much* larger then just Linux, and was around before it existed.

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    5. Re:Linux Peace Prize? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is given specifically for improving relations between nations, reducing standing armies, and promoting peace congresses.

      That sounds really nice, but doesn't explain Al Gore receiving it. Even if you totally buy into global warming hysteria it still doesn't work. It also doesn't, if you are going to be honest, explain President Obama, who despite all the hype, has never accomplished anything of substance, leave alone improving international relations or anything promoting peace.

      The truth is that Nobel Peace Prize is given by 5 guys in Norway to whomever the hell they want for whatever damn reason they want. Lately, that reason has amounted to little more than "Not being George W. Bush". Now, to a lot of people, "Not being George W. Bush" is a laudable accomplishment, but the Nobel Committee cannot pretend they are anything other than another bully pulpit for promoting their preferred flavor of politics.

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  4. Well... by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't say he is less worthy than Obama. Obama's biggest claim to fame is that he is not George Bush. Linus isn't George Bush either, so I guess his qualifications are in order.

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    1. Re:Well... by royallthefourth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Political satire lost all meaning when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

    2. Re:Well... by scorp1us · · Score: 4, Funny

      Linus has though, fueled many thousands of flame-wars with his product.

      Obama just fuels just one Afgan war.

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  5. Re:List his peace initiatives... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lets see Obama's as well...

  6. Farcical by UbuntuniX · · Score: 3, Informative

    Linus has certainly done more to deserve it than Obama.

  7. Re:Well he's at least done more than Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linus didn't start a nuclear war with Iran either.

  8. You know...why not? by wandazulu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've always been interested in seeing how computers get used in the far-flung parts of the world, and between OLPC and websites showing off pics of tribemen using Linux on laptops to check prices, weather info, etc., it would seem that Linux has made a difference both in the "developed" world as well as the places where computers may not be as prevalent.

    Certainly it stands to reason that not everyone needs access to email, say, but everyone would like to know whether it's going to rain tomorrow, and there may not be a local radio or tv station to provide that info, but a computer with some sort of internet access could. So if I'm only going to use a computer once in a blue moon, or if I'm one who provides computers to folks who only need an extremely limited data set, why not be Linux? It's totally dependable and, most importantly, it's free. This is critical when the local economy may rely more on bartering and the exchange of physical goods for services; I can't imagine Microsoft would be willing to sell Windows for a few dozen eggs.

    So yes, I'd be behind such an honor; the whole point of the Nobel Peace prize is to award people who have made other lives better, and providing the platform on which anyone, anywhere can build upon to provide anything, at the most local level, I can't see how this *doesn't* qualify.

  9. Re:That's GNU/Linux, you insensitive clod! by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just give him a Gnubel Prize and call it good.

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  10. Re:List his peace initiatives... by MBCook · · Score: 4, Informative

    He created a multinational project of cooperation between tons of people all over the globe and made a project that has helped change the computer industry and lower costs, making computing more affordable for everyone. Sounds good to me.

    That's a lot better than saying you'll do things but not having done them yet.

    He'll never win. The prize is very political, and I doubt they would give it to someone who isn't in their group of admired people. As a PR tool, it could be much more valuable to give it to someone else.

    Are there better candidates? I'd certainly expect so. But look at the list of winners. While some are obviously good (Doctors Without Borders, The Dalai Llama) others are much more questionable.

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  11. Re:List his peace initiatives... by MrHanky · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since Obama got one for not being George W. Bush, Linus should get one for not being Theo de Raadt.

  12. Re:That's GNU/Linux, you insensitive clod! by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...he would refuse it anyway, on the grounds that it wasn't called the "GNU/Nobel Peace Prize".

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  13. Re:Well he's at least done more than Obama by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

    Linus didn't start a nuclear war with Iran either

    ...yet.

  14. Proof that Linux does NOT promote peace... by castironpigeon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everyone knows KDE is better than Gnome. And really, Ubuntu isn't even a real distro. It's just Debian gimped and preconfigured.

    run away! run away!

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    1. Re:Proof that Linux does NOT promote peace... by characterZer0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, Ubuntu is Debian de-gimped. Pay attention.

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  15. Richard M. Stallman is doing the real work by H4x0r+Jim+Duggan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stallman's working for social justice, freedom and equality. He gets chosen less often as a posterboy, but he's the one doing the really important work.

    Linus is only popular because his style is convenient for IBM and the other megacorps. He goes with the flow, let's those with power do what they want.

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  16. Re:Why Insult him with that? by Erbo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My thought exactly. I don't want to presume to speak for Linus, but I'd hope he'd be insulted by the thought of being awarded a Nobel Peace Prize, since the track record of its awardees (not just Obama, he's merely the most recent example) shows that the prize itself is meaningless at best.

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  17. Re:Well he's at least done more than Obama by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given that Obama got a nobel prize for doing NOTHING I don't see why not.

    Not starting a nuclear war with Iran is technically doing nothing, but I still think it's a very, very good idea.

    George W. Bush didn't start a nuclear war with Iran and he didn't get a Nobel Peace Prize.
    Also, keep in mind that Obama has a few more years in which he could start a nuclear war with Iran.

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  18. Re:Well he's at least done more than Obama by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

    Technically true, but you're forgetting Linus' herring genocide of 1997.

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  19. Bill Gates by Peregr1n · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know this is contentious, but I quite like being the devil's advocate. Isn't Bill Gates more suited to the Nobel Peace Prize?
    His philanthropy is unparalleled (by monetory value alone, anyway). His influence on the world of computing is undisputed. I'm not saying his influence has been good or bad... just that he's had influence. The world wouldn't be the same without Windows. Regardless of which operating system you favour (for me, it's a tie between OSX and Ubuntu), you cannot deny that Windows has been an important component in the spread of information and education across the world, and enabled all kinds of communication.
    A lot of this stuff would have happened anyway, without Windows... but then I could argue that the US civil rights movement would have happened at some point without Martin Luther King (a previous Nobel Peace Prize winner).

  20. Re:List his peace initiatives... by sixoh1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nobel laureate would certainly be a good way to reward a man who has done something far more extraordinary than anything BillG or the Steve's ever did - without the benefit of a corporation (note MS needed IBM to be where it is) or a formal product (the Steve's SOLD hardware) and created a world-class operating system.

    Not only that, he is still there, still writing code, corralling the cats and making progress in developing, instead of just cashing in.

    This is in my not so humble opinion the ultimate leadership by example - and it can and has been applied to thousands of other projects. Richard Stallman may have "invented" open source - Linus made it real for everyone, from greedy businessman to naive undergraduate CS student.

  21. Re:Can we stop with the Obama comparisons? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Obama peace prize meme is really annoying. I don't think it was a great idea to give the prize to him but it the idea that we don't give nobel peace prizes to people to encourage/support/recognize potential work is just wrong. For example, the 1935 prize went to Carl von Ossietsky for his journalism and peace activism against the Nazis. He had at that point done very little to stop the Nazis. And we all know how well he actually succeeded. Not at all. But that prize was completely reasonable. There's a long history of giving the prizes to people who promise future work.

    Carl von Ossietsky did not receive the peace prize for "potential work". he received the prize for the work he had done publicizing the German violations of the Treaty of Versailles and for speaking out against the Nazi Party. He received the prize for actions he had already taken, even if such actions had been ineffective. Please try again to provide an example of someone (other than Obama) who received the Nobel Peace Prize for actions they had promised to take at some indefinite time in the future.

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  22. No by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm a big fan of both Thorvalds and Obama, but I don't believe either of them deserves a Nobel Peace Prize... yet.

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  23. Re:List his peace initiatives... by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For normal humans that would be correct, but this Dali Lama is the reincarnation of the last 14 Dali Lamas.

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  24. I would proudly vote for RMS by MSG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd hate to see the guy who calls his co-opetition "masturbating monkeys" get a peace prize. :)

    That aside, I firmly believe that the GPL is the reason for the success of the Linux kernel and of GNU/Linux. Compare the success of Linux and GNU/Linux to other systems which are more stable and have better documentation (like OpenBSD). There are many reasons why this might be, but I think that there would have been far fewer contributions to the Linux kernel if its license did not provide equal access for all contributors. A substantial part of Linux was written by commercial entities who would undoubtedly not be willing to invest in a product which their competition could build upon without contributing likewise in return.

    We all owe a tremendous debt to RMS that I doubt will ever be repaid.

  25. Re:He deserves it (Stallman) by Physics+Dude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreed. Those were my thoughts as well. Stallman's insight to see what was coming and draft the GPL has contributed immeasurably to the freedom and variety in the current software landscape. I honestly think it was a stroke of genius to use Copyright law itself in such a way as to create a code base that cannot be bought-out/subverted by corporations. Stallman had the vision to make it possible.

  26. Re:Sure, why not? by bornyesterday · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Considering the amount of time and money that Gates has put into philanthropy, I think that someone could make a decent argument for Gates, or at least the Gates Foundation to receive the Peace Prize.

  27. Unfortunately Comp Sci isn't considered science by joeflies · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The example that Eric Schmidt stated to the New York Times was that Tim Berners Lee should have been given a Nobel Prize, but the Nobel community doesn't consider computer science to be in the same spectrum as other traditional life or physic sciences. I think both Tim is without question worthy of a Nobel, and there's a strong case for Linus as well, but it's questionable whether either has the political clout to win.

  28. the nobel peace prize should be discontinued by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the nobel peace prize has entered the realm of farce (arafat, kissinger, and obama for smiling nicely) and has destroyed its legitimacy

    of course, maybe the whole idea was doomed from the start as a flawed idea

    perhaps the prize should be reconstituted as a way to recognize truly deserving underappreciated efforts, such as microlending in poor areas or water purification projects. in other words: no matinee idols or celebrities need apply. this would rule out deserving celebrities like nelson mandela, but it would also rule out the likes of kissinger and arafat. no more stunt prizes like obama's

    a prize only for the truly anonymous makes a heck of a lot more sense actually in the realm of what it really means to labor for peace selflessly, which is true peacemaking anyways

    so if not discontinued, the prize should be reconsituted with strict guidelines as a prize for the truly anonymous

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  29. Re:Apple and Parallels Desktop by QuincyDurant · · Score: 4, Funny

    It was a serious question; I'm not technical enough to know the answer. I read Slashdot to try to wise myself up.

  30. Re:He deserves it (Stallman) by DieNadel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My thoughts exactly. I once saw Stallman talking about what he envisions for GPL and freedom of software in the future, and it really looks like he's aiming at a more collaborative and free society. Not only that, but he has taken positive and large steps in getting there, by turning copyright against itself and actively advocating free software and its benefits.

    Genius indeed.

    I see it as unfortunate that he doesn't get the recognition he deserves. If he were more "accepted", his ideas would probably have an even stronger impact.

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  31. Death Star by jDeepbeep · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...but they now cost 1000x more than they should and they only do what robot warlord Steve Jobs thinks you should be able to do.

    That is.... until the building of the great and powerful Death psyStar

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  32. Re:He deserves it (Stallman) by shirotakaaki · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I see it as unfortunate that he doesn't get the recognition he deserves. If he were more "accepted", his ideas would probably have an even stronger impact.

    A shave and a shower wouldn't hurt in this regard.