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Modern Tech Versus the Past

CNETNate writes "Most of us assume modern life is the peak of human achievement, but is it really? CNET decided to take a look at the major technologies of the modern world and compare them to their closest equivalent of pre-digital mankind — Facebook vs. dinner parties, World of Warcraft vs. actual war craft, iPhones vs. hills on fire — and the results are surprising. And slightly dumb, so laugh."

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  1. not always quite so by PizzaAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    As you can see, ancient life beats modern life in all respects. Modern life doesn't even come close, scoring a rather embarrassing nought out of ten.

    I would have to disagree. Sure you can pick a few things which outcome is that, but you really have to look at the larger picture.

    As an example, if you think about the medieval era and how you moved around, there we're basically two options:
    1) by horse
    2) by walking

    This meant that every business had to own a horse and feed it to move around. For a real world example, it also created problems for pizzeria's home delivery, because the horse would eat the pizza.

    But one must also note that some things actually were better on older times. When you ordered a pizza, you knew it would be baked for you with love and it would be delicious to eat. Now someone justs sends me a pizza gift on Facebook. Thanks for the mockery, I say.

    Basically what I am saying is that technology makes things less personal. The same way that salad is shit compared to Pizza Hut's delicious pan pizza, e-card is shit compared to a real postcard because it just doesn't have the same feeling.

    1. Re:not always quite so by gnick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Basically what I am saying is that technology makes things less personal. ...it just doesn't have the same feeling.

      I think you just summarized every analysis in TFA. "The old stuff is better 'cuz it has an old-timey feel to it." Personally, I appreciate being able to communicate half-way across the country w/o having to run to the telegraph station and blow a half-day's pay even if it's less personal. I like that Swine Flu is less deadly than the Plague, even if that's not as scary. I like that I can re-spawn after dying in some game rather than getting my head lopped off in battle, even if it's less manly.

      But that's just me... Now, I'm off to take a leak in the street because that's more neighborly than "modern" sanitation.

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    2. Re:not always quite so by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 3, Funny

      As an example, if you think about the medieval era and how you moved around, there we're basically two options:
      1) by horse


      Not only that, but if you were pulling a wagon and heading toward Oregon, you were likely to be killed by a bout of dysentery.

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    3. Re:not always quite so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let the older times be in the past. People don't realize how smelly and unsanitary streets were when horses and carriages were the mainstay of transportation. There was no fire, police, or EMS. If you came down with something, hopefully your immune system could take care of it, because there was no penicillin or other medicines to clear up even the basic infections. Most of America at that time was living in hovels or tenements and barely making a sustainable living. Any police protection were for the businesses like banks. If you were an individual, you packed heat or you were dead.

      Even those smelly, slow diesel cars that foreign automakers want to push on the US again (anyone above 20 remembers the Mercedes turbo diesels that people ended up passing on the wrong side of the road or breakdown lanes due to their sulphur belching stench and multi minute 0-60 times.) are far better than what horses were like in cities. Horses needed fed, they had to be rested, they were often stolen, turned streets slick with manure if the weather was wet at all.

      Going further back, war in the Middle Ages sucked. There were no medics back then, so if you got a good nick, you ended up dying of blood loss right there, or an infection before a week.

      As for the plague, people don't realize that it was the massive die-off due to the plague that got Europe out of the groaning slavery it was in for almost a millennium. The loose systems of dukedoms that used to have peasants to spare now actually had to seek people out, and forced warring mini-kingdoms to band together. Fields which had to be used to provide the bare necessities for an overpopulated Europe could be used for things like olives, grapes, hops, and niceties.

      Yes, modern life is boring, but compared to how life was before refrigeration, basic sanitation, running water, clothes washers, literacy, fire/police/EMS presence, modern medicine, I'll take it over any time in the past.

    4. Re:not always quite so by westlake · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As an example, if you think about the medieval era and how you moved around, there we're basically two options:1) by horse
      2) by walking
      This meant that every business had to own a horse and feed it to move around.

      It meant that you had a tight little monopoly in your own neighborhood .

      The handsome brick structure on on our village main street was originally a three story department store that served a population of less than 1000. The alternative, if you wanted to shop for a set of dishes, a mattress or sofa, would be to take a train into Buffalo and pay the freight back.

  2. They Missed One by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We Have: Putting one page of data on one page
    They Had: Dividing data up into eight pages to maximize pageviews

    Thanks for finally filing this CNet Crave UK stuff in Idle/Entertainment!

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  3. No... WoW vs pretend warfair with sticks for guns. by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sorry. We geeks playing World of Warcraft would not be engaged in killing each other if not for the game. WoW is the low tech equivalent of jumping out from behind a rock with a stick and shouting "bang bang!". And the WoW forums are the equivalent of "I shot you your dead! Am not!" arguments.

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  4. telegraph 419.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    i represent the duke of america and recently a $25,000 sum of pirate spanish gold seized off the coast has been placed in our care.....

  5. Better comparisons by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 3, Funny

    MP3s vs. 1 Man Bands
    Twitter vs. Bathroom Walls
    Science vs. Mad Science

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    1. Re:Better comparisons by petes_PoV · · Score: 3, Funny

      We have the RIAA, they had religious persecution (I was going to say "The Spanish Inquisition", but you'd expect that)

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    2. Re:Better comparisons by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Science vs. Mad Science

      Wait, which one is the "modern" side? ;-)

    3. Re:Better comparisons by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Informative

      Digital camera vs. film -> except that it costs more, film, though at about 21MP i might start leaning the other way.

      The professional photographers that I know have been quite happy with their digital cameras since 8MP was the level no one could afford. They're up in the 12MP and 15MP levels now, but they produce prints for their customers, and they're indistinguishable to all but the trained eye from what would have been done on film. Even an 8x12 at 8MP makes for 83,000 dots per square inch, or 1/288 of an inch (.088mm) across. Given that the same lenses are being used in many cases (Nikon lenses from a decade or more past fit on current Nikon SLRs), it comes down to the sensor, and the difference just isn't there.

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  6. You don't have to go that far back... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here are some more recent tech most of you have spurned for all the wrong reasons but which I'll never give up and you can pry from my cold dead hands (but you won't want to!!)

    We have: Washed out LCD monitors, rubbish refresh rates, pale colours, all reds are orange.
    I Have: My 21" newsroom Trinitrons, three of, for a combined resolution of 4800x1200 at 85Hz. Perfect colours, wide viewing angles, annoying bezels. Windows 7 really likes them...

    We have: Computer speakers, tiny badly-designed amplifiers, built-in speakers on TV's, plastic "hifi" speakers with metal cones, etc. Plenty of bass, fair enough, but just whisper "dynamic range" and "signal-to-noise ratio" to these people and you might just cause a flamewar.
    I Have: Wharfedale Modus Twos and a Rotel RSX-03 amplifier with 6 discrete channels (RSX-03), FLAC, Cds. And yes, decent speaker wire (4mm) I found! I'm not a hifi snob, but I know mine sounds better and with wise buying cost less!

    Not all progress is good, only good progress :-)

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    1. Re:You don't have to go that far back... by webmistressrachel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, they're not. In the case of the monitors, it's an established fact that CRT viewing angles, especially Trinitrons, are better than any flat tech we have today. Also, the orange pigment issue is also a real one, solved only by OLEDs, and you know have much they cost. As for the second example, any hifi snob from the 90s is going to agree all day that the posh rig posted will sound better than a "couple of hundred bucks" setup. I've listened to, set up, and performed through lots of different equipment using different recording formats all my life. You can't buy a hifi anymore that sounds as rich and perfect as those speakers - that was the whole point of the post, and comparing them to modern crap without even doing some research on the subject shows your ignorance. Modern speakers, even from Wharfedale (now a "big box" co, as you call it over the pond), suck, as you say in the Good ol' US of A!

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  7. 2fer - Zombies that run vs zombies that shuffle by KharmaWidow · · Score: 4, Funny

    Endless useless meetings and reports vs forging and basic survival

  8. One Thing I Miss by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I miss the days before cell phones. Don't get me wrong, cell phones are convenient and allow me to stalk any number of girls that I like, but still..

    I remember before cell phones became mainstream, if you wanted to spend time with your friends, you had to tell them where to meet you and when and they had to be there or else you just wouldn't catch up. It didn't matter if you had anything planned or not. There was much less of the, "Well, I might come out, what did you have in mind?" cruft. During lunch at school you would say, "Meet at the pool around 4:00 and we'll figure something out." Then, the evening was yours for adventure or mischief or what have you. Not always having a plan was half the fun. It meant you would all get together and just start talking or walking or going somewhere seeking something to do until someone had a brilliant...or at least intriguing...idea.

    I remember how, for the weekend, you and all your friends would be sure to meet Friday night somewhere then spend the whole weekend sleeping on each others' floors and couches because if anyone skipped out you wouldn't be able to find them for the rest of the weekend. I remember girls writing their numbers on my hand in pink gel ink and walking around, intentionally holding my hand turned just out slightly so as to subversively brag about my score. I remember setting up dates and saying, "I'll pick you up at..." and not having the crutch of cell phones to be able to work out the details when the time came.

    Yep part of me misses those days. I am only 23 and I feel old writing about that kind of thing....the worst part is I don't even have a lawn yet....

    1. Re:One Thing I Miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      When you do get a lawn, I for one will be proud to get off it. /salute

    2. Re:One Thing I Miss by jez9999 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You, sir, have had a VERY different childhood to me. :-)

    3. Re:One Thing I Miss by Bazer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yep part of me misses those days. I am only 23 and I feel old writing about that kind of thing....the worst part is I don't even have a lawn yet....

      No worries, you can get off mine.

    4. Re:One Thing I Miss by hey! · · Score: 5, Funny

      During lunch at school you would say "Meet at the pool around 4:00 and we'll figure something out."

      OK, speaking as an old-timer of 48, I have to second this. That was how we did did "meet-ups" back in the day. Of course, it was "the cracker barrel at the general store", not "the pool". And what we usually settled on doing was some variation of rolling the an old barrel hoop down the dirt road with a stick. But that was mainly to take our minds of the folksy banjo music that accompanied us wherever we went.

      Still, we were happy although we didn't have much. Folks weren't so jaded back then. People had solid *values*, like patriotism, racism and exflunctication.

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    5. Re:One Thing I Miss by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I grew up in a California foothill town with a total population of 5,000. There was one high school for the whole county and even today most of the county doesn't have access to anything better than dial up. I know for a fact we were behind the times, but I kinda enjoyed that. Sure, I wasn't texting when I was 9 years old, but I was wandering through the Cedar forests with a knife in my boot and rifle in my hand shooting at birds just for the shits of it. By 14 my friends and I had built ourselves a halfpipe for skateboarding and biking on. By 16 we had all been driving our dad's 4 WD pickups for 2 - 3 years. We paintballed in the woods every weekend. We went fishing every couple weeks or so. We went swimming when it was warm. We started snowboarding at 8 years old and were doing 360's and 720's before we got out of our parent's houses. That's why the meeting up thing was so important. If you missed catching up with your friends on the weekend, you would be shit out of luck on stuff to do for a few days.

      So yeah, sure, I guess I grew up under a rock, but there were some really cool things to do under that rock...far cooler than texting each other back and forth for hours saying, "I don't know what to do," "Me neither," "LOL this sucks," "LOL yeah," "=P," "fag lol." ..... and so on ad infinitum.

    6. Re:One Thing I Miss by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to mention the days when being face to face with people meant talking to them rather than watching them take an endless series of phone calls for "just a second" each.

      The people who do that are inevitably befuddled as to why I walked away to do something more useful/interesting (once they notice that is).

  9. Re:Age is the way to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Alcohol.

  10. WoW does not equal War by Nidi62 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but just because WoW has "war" in the title does not mean it can be equated to actual war. In real war, you dont run around fighting monsters with other people, buying and selling stuff so you can make that shiny new armor or buy the coolest new mount. If it were like real Middle Aged warfare, you would be running around with a small axe and whatever implement you had on your farm that could do the most damage. You're also probably wearing whatever rags you happened to be wearing at the time, much less plate or mail armor. You have people sitting at home yelling at each other over vent, as compared to people who have either trained for it their wholes lives, or were forced into battle by a lord who just wants more land, so he can get more tax money, so he can live even nicer. Not to mention the fact that the only thing close to someone spewing fireballs is an archer with an arrow covered with pitch and ignited.

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  11. So what was the Slashdot of the past . . . ? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Craftsmen's Guilds come to mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild. "They were organized in a manner something between a trade union, a cartel and a secret society . . . tended to form associations based on their trades . . . each of whom controlled secrets of traditionally imparted technology, the "arts" or "mysteries" of their crafts."

    They had bizarre initiation rituals, We have goatse.

    They had secret phrases. We have, "in Soviet . . . X, Y's you!"

    They had a monopoly on their trade. We get outsourced.

    Oh, I guess they won.

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  12. I say late 1960's - early 1970's was the peak. by Nick+Driver · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Apollo program and moon landings were surely the peak of the USA.

  13. Re:Poisoning people with cancer... by paiute · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...which is what much of modern chemotherapy amounts too will be looked back on like we look on bloodletting to keep your humors in order.

    Except for the little fact that, as much as chemo sucks and as much as it closely resembles taking just enough arsenic mixed with mercury topped with cyanide to wish you were dead, it is backed up by clinical studies and has been found to work.

    Chemo: sucks but works
    Leeches: suck and don't work except in special cases as temporary therapy for reattachment of fingers and toes

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  14. nostalgia by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Telegraph vs internet: If you wanted to, you could use VOIP to send the right audio dots and dashes in morse code only this time there's nothing stopping you. The major draw for the author seems to be the scarcity of such communication back in the time period when telegraphs were the big thing.
      Twitter vs gossip: gossip isn't dead. There's no evidence that Twitter destroyed gossip, it just went online. A far more efficient means of spreading rumors.
      Facebook vs Dinner party: Same as above. The author seems to pine for a time when the world was very disconnected.
      World of Warcraft vs Actual war craft: Iraq? War isn't anything to be pinning for.
    Swine flu mass-panic vs The plague: not a very good comparison. Try AIDS and the plague.
      Iphone vs fire on a hill: Same scarcity makes it cool argument.
      Viruses vs the Trojan horse: not really a fair comparison. There's tons of military strategies that put that horse to shame.
      MP3s vs Tribal chants: We still have those. Heck, my friends and I went to Denver just to see a few.
      Post-Enlightenment scientific rigour vs Superstition and quack doctors: Yeah that living to the old age of 30 sounds great. Get me a piece of that action... We've still got voodoo nonsense and you're free to go get "treated" by one if you wish.

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  15. Re:this is a joke? by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can I use all of my moderator points to rate this article as -10 extremely stupid.

  16. Re:Poisoning people with cancer... by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One day we will consider modern chemo to be just a step above savagery and will also say that unlike ancient chemo, our modern remedies work. We'll say that because there won't be questions of survival rates over 5 years or so, just which one will cause complete remission the fastest and keep it from coming back.

    Notably, some of the big medications and surgical procedures out there today have an effect, but evidence is growing that the effect they have is useless. One day we'll see those as no better than bloodletting for a broken leg. It's easy to make fun of the old state of the art in hindsight, sorta like all that advice to just relax, drink milk and perhaps see a shrink to treat a simple H. Pylori infection looks kinda silly now.

    Our modern state of the art psychiatry won't likely fare much better than the mid-20th century use of insulin coma and lobotomy. We'll likely look back on ECT and wonder why the doctor didn't just break a 2x4 over the patient's head.

  17. Re:this is a joke? by selven · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We have: use your wimpy moderation points to bury it.
    They had: kill it with fire.