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Ubuntu Reaching Out To 16,000 Anime Lovers

shadowmage13 writes "After months of planning, I am happy to announce finally that the Ubuntu Massachusetts Local Community Team will be preparing a booth at the upcoming 2010 Anime Boston convention. We need support from the community to secure a booth and print materials, including copies of the Ubunchu! manga. I really believe the Anime fandom is a perfect match for Ubuntu, as they are by nature very much in line with open source and remix culture."

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  1. There is one problem, though by Enleth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Neither Tux, nor any Ubuntu release mascott I know of has tentacles.

    OTOH, one of the protagonists in NGE was a penguin, so there's still hope for acceptance...

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    1. Re:There is one problem, though by tonycheese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, let me just say that I'm glad the first reaction by the linux side is to boil down the immensely diverse and interesting anime culture here to equal hentai tentacle porn. Yup, great start.

    2. Re:There is one problem, though by Enleth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, well, I'm glad that most of the anime culture has one thing in common, despite the (impressive, indeed) diversity - a sense of humor. Humor, which is present in all but the most serious and gloomy works, and often expressed in making fun of the work itself

      Besides, if you bothered to read the second sentence of my post, you could've even realized that it doesn't belong strictly on the "linux side".

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    3. Re:There is one problem, though by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ubuntu has dropped the GIMP to bring the distro into mainstream eyes, and you want to associate it with anime?

      The fact that the first comment was about hentai and tentacles just shows you how daft of an idea that is. I'm all for exposing Ubuntu to a wider audience, but association with non-mainstream media is what they're trying to avoid.

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    4. Re:There is one problem, though by suisui · · Score: 3, Funny

      GIMP was dropped so they could make room for Comix and the non-free video codecs. Lucid Lynx will be shipped with the first 20 volumes of One Piece, and a torrent for the Love Hina DVD-rip.

    5. Re:There is one problem, though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "immensely diverse and interesting anime culture"
      Oh man, my sides...

      TRANSLATOR'S NOTE: "kawaii" means "cute".

    6. Re:There is one problem, though by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Better secure your ports...

    7. Re:There is one problem, though by vadim_t · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fact that the first comment was about hentai and tentacles just shows you how daft of an idea that is.

      I think that's probably just the typical stupid joke.

      I mean, these days, who hasn't heard of Naruto, One Piece, DBZ or Pokemon? That makes for most of the anime people see. It's not particularly deep, but that's the mainstream kind of it. There are much more interesting things to watch, but they're very niche in comparison to what I listed.

    8. Re:There is one problem, though by vadim_t · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The only one I've heard of is Pokemon. That is mainstream anime. I've seen bits of others on adult swim, but none that I've liked.

      Whether you like it or not doesn't have to do with whether it's mainstream.

      I agree, the one way to get people to avoid Linux like the plague is to associate it with weird Japanese adult cartoons.

      If you think Pokemon is adult, you sure have low standards for what adult is.

      Really, this obsession with adult anime people have is odd. It's like trying to reject the entire cinema medium based on the existence of porn movies. I've got friends that have bookcases full with hundreds of anime DVDs, and there's no porn in there.

    9. Re:There is one problem, though by initialE · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Let me introduce you to Madobe Nanami, the official mascot of Windows 7 Japanese edition. Voiced by a popular voice actress even. Microsoft feels anime is good enough for mainstream.

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  2. Seems like by mxh83 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it would be more productive to fix 9.10 first

    1. Re:Seems like by migla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it would be more productive to fix 9.10 first

      Ok. So, what would Ubuntu Massachusetts Local Community Team do in he mean time that would be more productive? I'm sure there are plenty others more qualified to do the fixing of 9.10.

      I disagree that stopping the evangelizing would be more productive than evangelizing at this point, even if 9.10 is buggy. (I.e. I don't think it's buggy enough to hide from the public completely.)

      Maybe I just got lucky with my installs on my hardware.

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    2. Re:Seems like by mxh83 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's bad enough that I would no longer recommend that anyone switch to it. Because if they have a crappy experience, they'll never try linux again.

    3. Re:Seems like by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hello. Anime fan here.

      They need to fix SOUND in general in Linux, so it, like, just works. I have a dual boot system (WinXP64 and Kumubtu 9.10), and if there's one thing I'm having trouble with it's getting sound working on any video player. Regular system sound is fine, Amarok can play, too. But I haven't been able to get a video player that has a good interface, decent playback abilities for the latest codecs and subtitle formats, and sound working all at the same time. Some of this has to do with mplayer waiting forever to release a new "official version" so distributors would update their packages. Maybe some of it has to do with me using a USB audio device, but in general it's application and the O/S not working together on working with the "default" audio output setting in preferences and not supporting other methods (ALSA/PulseAudio/etc.) without config tweaking.

      I can download and run VLC for Windows and it works as soon as it's installed, it should be the same on Linux, especially since all the VLC developers are Linux developers and not really focused on Windows.

      Getting sound to work in video players (or audio players, web browsers, etc) has been a trial for me going back years.

    4. Re:Seems like by gzipped_tar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Lennart Poettering, the pulseaudio lead, is an Red Hat employee. Jaroslav Kysela and Takashi Iwai, the only two persons in the world who get paid for their work in ALSA, are hired by Red Hat and Novell respectively.

      So where is Mark (and his money) when we need him?

      And Ubuntu is known to have done a great deal of damage to PulseAudio's reputation by royally fsck up Poettering's work.

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  3. Yeah, right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because another 16.000 clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals is EXACTLY what the Ubuntu community needs.

    1. Re:Yeah, right! by migla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because another 16.000 clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals is EXACTLY what the Ubuntu community needs.

      Well, total world domination, or even some sort of world domination would have to include some clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals too. Besides, maybe some of the clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals will show their newly found OS to some not so clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals. Sure, the clueless, facebooking, twittering and oh-so-creative metrosexuals aren't the most important movers and shakers, but you do what you can. Any convert could send ripples of Freedom through our culture.

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    2. Re:Yeah, right! by tonycheese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I'm sure that's exactly the attitude Linux needs to gain market share: bigotry and elitism. Keep it up guys, year of the Linux is coming any day now.

    3. Re:Yeah, right! by Velex · · Score: 3, Funny

      We called them "yuppies" - would that term be demeaning enough?

      But that word doesn't have "sex" in it, and it doesn't sound like the words "homosexual" or "transsexual." As we know, sex is dirty enough, but homosexuals and transsexuals are all disease-ridden, AIDS-infested, sex-crazed, godless, hedonistic, er..., I'm sure there are a few more words I could use along those lines but I haven't had my tea^H^H^Hcoffee yet (of course I'm a real man! tea is for girls!). At any rate, no, "yuppie" wasn't demeaning enough.

      Besides, someone who's young and upper class might just be well-connected and a hard worker. Homosexuals, transsexuals, and their newest effiminate (nothing worse than being feminine, a fate worse than death) sexual deviant might be well-connected, but hard-working, even deserving? Pfft. </troll>

      Cheers

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    4. Re:Yeah, right! by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As a member of the unwashed masses, i would like to think that some of us eventually goon to become developers and generally help out when we can. Personally i've not done much other than help even newer users out with even simpler problems than my own, but a group of 16000 largely teenage geeks, will likely produce at least one developer, probably a few competent bug reporters and dozens people who will spend time on forums/irc to help out new users. So Canonical and the ubuntu community tend to think that more users = better, if you disagree your welcome to use fedora (or another distro that has a similar philosophy).

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    5. Re:Yeah, right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      bigotry != racism. and elitism refers to /his/ attitude, not the people he's referring to. as in, "wow he uses twitter, he's too lowly to use /my/ operating system."

    6. Re:Yeah, right! by lxs · · Score: 4, Funny

      I believe it's "Apple users"

    7. Re:Yeah, right! by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 2, Funny

      Aye! n I'd shut yer face, unless yous want a Glasgow kiss!

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    8. Re:Yeah, right! by 0racle · · Score: 3, Funny

      Bigotry and elitism got Linux this far, don't knock what works.

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    9. Re:Yeah, right! by realityimpaired · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it could be more the implication that because you have Facebook, you must have, at some point, had friends who'd want to keep in touch with you, thus disqualified as a true Slashdot Geek/Geekette.... Because we all know that everybody on slashdot is a basement-dwelling, never-bathing, man child who subsists on Sarah Michelle Gellar porn... that's just not compatible with the kind of person who's got friends, or might not actually be male...

      Signed, a Facebook-using, "oh-so-creative" person who enjoys writing and drawing in her spare time... to my credit, I avoid Twitter like the plague, and it's kinda hard to be "metrosexual" when you're actually gay....

  4. I Had to Read This 5 Times... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but now I think I get it: You're asking us to donate money so that your local Linux User Group can have a booth at your local anime convention.

    Did I get that right? If so, props for chutzpah, my brother...

    1. Re:I Had to Read This 5 Times... by Maguscrowley · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well otakon is 3 days ... My lappy is done X and xfce with me being away most the day way before then. If he tries KDE4? I'll have a dedicated page in his Death Note ... written in blood.

  5. Re:Whisky Tango Foxtrot by SharpFang · · Score: 5, Informative

    A booth.
    Some news.

    Every year Ubuntu reaches out to 450,000 fans of various alternative music - punk rock, folk and many others, at Woodstock Stop in Poland.
    (they have a small tent where they give out CDs and leaflets, and talk about the system.)

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  6. The next distrobution is going to be called ... by DeadDecoy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Touchy Tentacle. It will feature advanced social networking services that will allow people to finger their friends over Twitter, Facebook, Pidgin, etc and see what they're up to. Their new motto will be: "Linux for Human Beings and their noodly appendages.".

  7. Re:News? by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The "for nerds" part. That lowers the threshold for trivia related to anime or Linux; both together means bonus points.

    If Star Trek was involved as well there'd be a lot of monitors in need of wiping down...

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  8. The English translation of Ubunchu is still flawed by Shin-LaC · · Score: 5, Funny

    I sent the maintainer some corrections back in April, but he thought my criticisms were too harsh and chose to ignore them.

    Sometimes the translators simply failed to grasp the meaning of the original text. In panel 3, the girl says "Yokenna, kono!" ("Why you, don't dodge!") and the boy replies "Maji iteendazo!" ("Those really hurt, you know!"; they are both referring to the CDs she's throwing), but in the English translation it turns into "Stop messing around! It can't be any good!". The third girl's line, "Hamori nagara kenka shinaidee!", is not so easy to render in English, but it definitely doesn't mean "Stop talking at the same time!": it means "You were speaking in unison a minute ago [panel 2], so don't fight now!"

    Other times, the translation is clumsy. In panel 1, "Saikin ninki no desktop na Linux desu!" ("It's the most popular desktop Linux these days!" - or, more literally, "It's a desktop Linux that is popular these days") becomes "It is very popular with the users, and it is the hottest desktop Linux distribution available."
    And that's just the first page.

    I reported these and more flaws months ago, but since the maintainer took offense to my harsh but polite comment ("the translation should be redone", I said), he simply rejected the "patch". It's hard not to crack wise that this is just like a real open source project. :-)
    (Actually, I know most maintainers aren't like that, so hold those Flamebait mods. :P)

  9. Re:I'm an Anime fan... by clickclickdrone · · Score: 3, Funny

    >and I think Ubuntu is fucking stupid.
    Sums it up nicely. This has to be the dumbest combination of two random things since someone tried to sell Windows 95 at a double glazing exhibition. Hey, we all like the word window, right? Don't we?

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  10. Problems for anime fans with Linux by abigsmurf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are some big problems anime fans will have with using Linux: Windows boxes are more capable media players. I generally prefer Zoomplayer and MPC-HC to stuff like VLC (although this is naturally personal preference) but a big issue is the lack of Blu Ray playing capability under Linux.

    There's also gaming, with the exception of Onscript based games, very few visual novels play well with Linux and most Tohou/doujin shooters are Windows only.

    1. Re:Problems for anime fans with Linux by Virak · · Score: 2, Informative

      Windows boxes are more capable media players.

      Not really.

      I generally prefer Zoomplayer and MPC-HC to stuff like VLC

      See, here's your problem. You're comparing competent players to an incompetent player. One that in particular has terrible support for ASS, by far the most popular subtitle format for fansubs. Try mplayer (or a GUI frontend if that's your thing) sometime.

      but a big issue is the lack of Blu Ray playing capability under Linux.

      For you, maybe. For most people it is a tiny, tiny issue though. And anyways, that's certainly not the case anyway.

      There's also gaming, with the exception of Onscript based games, very few visual novels play well with Linux

      Plenty of them run well with Wine, but the amount that manage to make something as simple as a VN not work at all under Wine is certainly impressive.

      and most Tohou/doujin shooters are Windows only.

      The Touhou games all work fine under Wine, minus the occasional minor graphical glitch.

    2. Re:Problems for anime fans with Linux by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Informative

      [blockquote]See, here's your problem. You're comparing competent players to an incompetent player. One that in particular has terrible support for ASS, by far the most popular subtitle format for fansubs. Try mplayer (or a GUI frontend if that's your thing) sometime.[/blockquote]

      VLC gets it's SSA/ASS subtitle rendering support from the mplayer project. So except for being a step behind MPlayer's they are using the same code. Implementation, however, may be making a difference.

      At least I can get sound to work on VLC.

    3. Re:Problems for anime fans with Linux by Qzukk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Doesn't bluray have region coding enforced?

      It does, but they abandoned the DVD regions for "zones", and Japan and the US now share a zone.

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    4. Re:Problems for anime fans with Linux by abigsmurf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can download CCCP and after 30 seconds, I can play almost any video file with no configuration required. Another 20 seconds in MPC-HC and I can completely eliminate screen tearing in TV Out. Then I never have to worry about deciding on a GUI, worrying about certain combinations of container and subtitle format not playing together and any sound issues at all.

      To say ripping and playing a blu ray at the moment is a bit inelegant is an understatement. It simply doesn't compare to popping a disc in and having the disc play almost instantly.

      Using Linux as a HTPC box involves lots of little extra hurdles or putting up with minor glitches. With Windows I can sit down and enjoy a game or film without needing to worry about 'preparing' them beforehand.

    5. Re:Problems for anime fans with Linux by Virak · · Score: 2, Funny

      VLC gets it's SSA/ASS subtitle rendering support from the mplayer project. So except for being a step behind MPlayer's they are using the same code. Implementation, however, may be making a difference.

      I just went and downloaded a more recent VLC version and played something with it and surprisingly it wasn't hilariously broken. It's like I'm really using a player developed in the 21st century. I suppose I must tentatively (only tentatively because I didn't do a thorough test of its capabilities) retract my jab at VLC's subtitle support, but maintain my vague assertions about its general quality as a video player and the frequency with which it kicks defenseless little puppies.

    6. Re:Problems for anime fans with Linux by Kizeh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I played for weeks trying to get Ubuntu to work as a HTPC. All the media players I found in the repository either had horrid tearing problems, jerky motion, no audio, crashed constantly, or could not display the subtitles in a sane size on my plasma TV -- either tiny scribble or humongous letters, despite changing the settings I could find for the subtitle font. (Not to mention that the SB card defaulted to digital out and no peep on analog, and good luck finding that switch in the GUI...) Put Vista on it, downloaded CCCP, everything works fine -- it even had native drivers for my ATI Remote Wonder II, which never worked under Ubuntu either. Also, setting up SMB workgroup in Ubuntu is akin to waterboarding -- there needs to be a decent GUI or even text-based setup for that, and integration into system accounts and passwords. All of this can presumably be fixed, but when someone who uses CentOS for a living at work gives up after two weeks it can't be much easier for the average teen who just wants to watch anime. Okay, done ranting ;-)

  11. Re:Hooray for Anime! by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2, Funny

    >Would love to see a distro geared towards anime fans!
    And I want an OS based around gardening, sericulture and possibly quality headphones but then I've got my head stuck my ass and no life.

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  12. This is great! by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Funny

    This will give Ubuntu the mainstream credibility we've been seeking!

  13. Re:Ubuntu and anime? by Talderas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What it means is that the video playing problems of Ubuntu, and other *nix distros in general, is acting as a barrier to bringing in the one group that relies heavily on video players. These users utilize more complex video (even if they don't know it). By bringing them in and getting a good solid player that works for them, you would -in theory- improve the video player for all users.

    What bothers me is that a lot of slashdotters hold an elitist attitude about linux and it trickles down into an elitist attitude about who uses it.

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  14. Anime on Ubuntu? Seriously?? by ThePhilips · · Score: 4, Informative

    I really believe the Anime fandom is a perfect match for Ubuntu, as they are by nature very much in line with open source and remix culture.

    That is getting stupider over time - considering that out of box Ubuntu can't play 99% of anime found on say mininova.

    And even after installing all possible drivers, applications and codecs, Linux video playback - especially as anime concerned - is still eons behind of CCCP on Windows.

    And what about the "remix culture" reference? Manga and anime fandom is interesting because there are more people who do new/original stuff - and few who rehash the old stuff. And even if they "remix" (what a stupid word lessig came up with) they still do it their own way, not some dumb copy paste like what many CC-lovers do.

    Ubunchu!

    That is manga, not anime.

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    1. Re:Anime on Ubuntu? Seriously?? by shish · · Score: 3, Informative

      considering that out of box Ubuntu can't play 99% of anime found on say mininova.

      I clicked a .mkv, it said "I don't have a codec installed, shall I find one?", I clicked "yes", and it did, then it played. Not "out of the box" in the literal sense, but pretty close, and better than googling for codecs...

      (Though after checking that it worked, I still went back to mplayer, which has so far played 100% of things I've thrown at it, and with hardware accelerated decoding now too :-P )

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    2. Re:Anime on Ubuntu? Seriously?? by ThePhilips · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You sound like you never heard of mplayer. I have been watching anime on Linux weekly for years, in several formats like mpeg, divx, realmedia and mkv!

      B.S.

      Softsubs were relatively recently properly implemented in Mplayer. (Though "couple of years" technically is "for years" too.)

      Likewise, proper MKV support is also very young. Before Mplayer wasn't demuxing the files properly nor could switch between audio/subtitle channels on the file. Due to bogus demuxing audio skips were also common.

      I'm not an Ubuntu user, I love the simplicity of elden distros like Debian and Slackware. Maybe it's just that Ubuntu doesn't have an mplayer package, or has its very own "Super Cool Ubuntu Media Player" that overshines it. Could anybody enlight me?

      Getting Mplayer never was a problem. In past I was often even compiling it myself. No big deal.

      The problem is getting the rest of it to work: audio and video.

      Audio on Linux is a total mess, unless of course you are lucky to have single sound card in your PC (and distro of your choice hasn't succumbed to PulseAudio madness). Many have at least two, since modern MBs have some primitive card always on-board. Managing two sound cards under Linux is still a must, since most applications (Mplayer included) do not integrate with KDE or Gnome and bypass most of the configuration.

      Video and video acceleration is much cleaner on Linux. In sense that it is completely absent. And to smoothly playback H.264 files of 720p/bigger resolutions one need either H/W accelerated video playback (which is mostly absent) or properly optimized H.264 decoder (and forked ffmpeg of Mplayer isn't).

      If you would limit you statement that you have watched DivX/XViD anime for years then I might believe you. Otherwise - B.S.

      Next on Slashdot: Linux is way too hard to develop on, it doesn't have a Visual Studio alternative!

      Don't be idiot. I develop for *NIX and my WS is a Linux. For past 10 years (I have started on SuSE 6.2 in 1999). The problem is that kernel team refuses to manage kernel related libraries and interfaces and in Linux scape there not a single entity dealing with multimedia issues. Thus the chaos and frustration - due to lack of organization. Developer are there. But with distros being openly anti-multimedia not much can be done about it.

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  15. Well this was the best damn Fedora ad all week by nikanj · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I really believe the Anime fandom is a perfect match for Ubuntu" I've come to the same conclusion and ran away from both!

  16. Re:What? Why? Huh? by Maguscrowley · · Score: 4, Informative

    "children's cartoon shows"

    Granted their intentions are dubious, there's no need to illegitimate a fandom because you don't appreciate it. Anime is marketed for ages up to 35 and covers a wide range of genres not appropriate for children for reasons ranging from violence and sexual content (hentai gore etc) to slow moving plots and novel based stories which children would find boring or would not understand. I doubt that Grave of the Firefly's could be classified as a children's cartoon show, neither could Monster, Mushishi, and the Ghost in the Shell is really marketed at older teens to those in their late 20's.

    You may not have even heard of most of these and that is probably because US TV doesn't think they should bother showing anime that is more for an older crowd that can appreciate serious themes. Part of that is because they know that people like you will turn on the tv, see animation, and immediately classify it as a children's show and switch. I'm going to guess that you're either someone in their late 20's or above and that you've only been exposed to things like Naruto, Sailor moon, Pokemon, etc and had an entire childhood of cartoons for kids.

    I am not going to ask you to research or explore this beyond your exposure, but I will ask that you please not make an uninformed generalisation about a whole medium based on maybe filtered exposure to one of it's genres. It would also be nice for you not to be a dick.

    Now get off my lawn kudasai

  17. Oblig XKCD by Lemming+Mark · · Score: 5, Funny

    Guys, I'm disappointed you haven't got here already. http://xkcd.com/178/

  18. Yay! Stereotypes! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most anime fans tend to have above-average computer skills, and I'd say the clueless are a clear minority - but you don't ever see the intelligent ones making Youtube comments, shitty fan sites / fanfic / fan art or abusing facebook/twitter. In fact most of the anime friends I've met face-to-face have well above average intelligence - I have a relative who is a very successful game developer (has worked on a who's who list of awesome games), a huge hit with the ladies (top models have given him their phone numbers), speaks many different languages, and he's a huge anime fan. But he's artsy and metro and even uses social networking sites! You don't want his kind in the Linux community, right?

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  19. Re:News? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 2

    Man the nerd label is watered down these days. Back in My day it would have been Slackware floppies given away at recreational math conventions. Ubuntu Pah. Moving pictures with color and sound, Double Pah!

    Now would all of you juvenile self-adjoint operators get off my hilbert space!

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