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Man Pleads Guilty To Selling Fake Chips To US Navy

itwbennett writes "Neil Felahy of Newport Coast, California, has pleaded guilty to conspiracy and counterfeit-goods trafficking for his role in a chip-counterfeiting scam. Felahy, along with his wife and her brother, operated several microchip brokerage companies under a variety of names, including MVP Micro, Red Hat Distributors, Force-One Electronics and Pentagon Components. 'They would buy counterfeit chips from China or else take legitimate chips, sand off the brand markings and melt the plastic casings with acid to make them appear to be of higher quality or a different brand,' the US Department of Justice said in a press release. The chips were then sold to Naval Sea Systems Command, the Washington, DC group responsible for maintaining the US Navy's ships and systems, as well as to an unnamed vacuum-cleaner manufacturer in the Midwest."

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  1. we still make vacumm cleaners? by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Funny

    That sucks ;)

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    1. Re:we still make vacumm cleaners? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not only that, I read it as an unarmed vacumm manufacturer...

    2. Re:we still make vacumm cleaners? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Funny

      The chips were then sold to Naval Sea Systems Command, the Washington, D.C., group responsible for maintaining the US Navy's ships and systems, as well as an unnamed vacuum-cleaner manufacturer in the Midwest.

      Wait wait wait...

      Were the chips sold to both the NSSC and a Vacuum-cleaner manufacturer -

      Or is the NSSC responsible for maintaining the US Navy's ships, as well as a Vacuum-cleaner manufacturer?

      I think the ambiguity is amusing.

    3. Re:we still make vacumm cleaners? by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wasn't there a President named Hoover? ...

    4. Re:we still make vacumm cleaners? by Naturalis+Philosopho · · Score: 3, Funny

      At least a vacuum cleaner that dies won't kill anybody.

      Yeah, if our targeting information was off and missile fell into the sea instead of hitting a house somewhere...oh, wait.

      Really, how many did the Navy buy? When we take deliveries we don't pay until we've tested that we've gotten what we've paid for and that's written into our purchase contracts.

    5. Re:we still make vacumm cleaners? by nomorecwrd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So... nobody else thought that the so called "Midwest vacuum cleaner manufacturer" could be a cover for the CIA or NHS?

    6. Re:we still make vacumm cleaners? by trentblase · · Score: 4, Funny

      The vacuum cleaner manufacturer is actually named Noiseless Sucking Appliances.

    7. Re:we still make vacumm cleaners? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problem is that the chips will work, but they won't work as well.

      Let's look at two amplifiers, a 741 and a 5534. They are both pin-compatible op-amps that do the same job. The LM is $0.56 ($0.13 in bulk) and the 5534 is $1.73 ($0.80 in bulk). The 5534 is a high-performance, low-noise amplifier.

      Now, these are both CONSUMER grade chips and two that I just happened to know off the top of my head. Frankly, chips don't get much cheaper than that but you can already see a large price discrepancy. ($670 per 1000 chips.)

      Performance under ideal conditions isn't the biggest issue here. They aren't subject to the military or aerospace standards for robustness. Hell, they're probably not even "industrial" grade. Will they withstand a 200G shock? How about extreme temperatures or humidity? Are these chips RoHS or not and marked differently?

      Systems using these fraudulent chips would be plagued by problems and would cause the vendors, contractors, and the Navy a huge amount of anguish. It puts people at risk, and the motherfucker should be tried for sedition.

      I have to ask, "why bother"? It's not like they wouldn't be making tons of cash from the contract in the first place.

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    8. Re:we still make vacumm cleaners? by bxbaser · · Score: 2, Funny

      I work there, the chips where for our model BGM-109 Tomahawk

      Its our newest long-range, all-weather, subsonic Vacuum cleaner.
      It was designed as a medium- to long-range, low-altitude vacuum cleaner that could be launched from a submerged submarine.

    9. Re:we still make vacumm cleaners? by danlip · · Score: 4, Informative

      It puts people at risk, and the motherfucker should be tried for sedition.

      I think you mean treason. Sedition is encouraging insurrection. Treason is acts of disloyalty to one's nation. But in the US treason is narrowly defined by the constitution (to prevent abuses), so unfortunately they probably can't be prosecuted for treason.

  2. Amusement du jour: by migla · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm imagining someone selling the Navy fake ships.

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    1. Re:Amusement du jour: by Tired+and+Emotional · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its worse than that. We've been firing vacuum cleaners at enemy aircraft.

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    2. Re:Amusement du jour: by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm imagining someone selling the Navy fake ships.

      I was thinking that someone had sold them Pringles.

    3. Re:Amusement du jour: by hrimhari · · Score: 4, Funny

      Latest US Navy project: Mega Maid.

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    4. Re:Amusement du jour: by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Funny

      This sounds like "Our Man in Havana"

      come on guys, it had Obi Wan it it!!!

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    5. Re:Amusement du jour: by Tuoqui · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep I suppose we're gonna get a whole bunch of these 'Counterfeit Goods' stories hitting the media in the next year or so to make people think we absolutely positively must pass the ACTA treaty the RIAA/MPAA have been working on in secret.

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  3. Treason by koan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know the penalty.

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    1. Re:Treason by NiceGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article03/

      "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort"

      Ripping them off isn't treason.

    2. Re:Treason by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't know. Knowing selling the Navy computer components you KNOW would fail, to me, would fall into "giving aid to the enemy". We could argue intention/motivation, but a crime is a crime, regardless what you meant.

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    3. Re:Treason by NiceGeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What "enemy"?

    4. Re:Treason by couchslug · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Selling fake/incorrect components should be prosecuted as sabotage, because defective components can degrade vital systems and cause casualties.

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    5. Re:Treason by hrimhari · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why, all of them, whoever they are!

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    6. Re:Treason by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For one, you didn't know that it was going to fail. This would be equivalent to me selling a VIA C7 as a Celeron D. Fraud, yes. But a VIA CPU is not more likely to fail than an Intel CPU. Its a cheaper, lower performance CPU, but I wouldn't call it treason to sell to the Navy.

      And for the other, who is the "enemy"? It doesn't give aid to the non-existent "enemy", it simply gives you more money. They should be prosecuted for fraud, not treason.

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    7. Re:Treason by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We could argue intention/motivation, but a crime is a crime, regardless what you meant.

      You are aware that laws are based on intention, right? Like how manslaughter and murder are different based on intention?

    8. Re:Treason by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Old destroyer man here. Nature and the elements are one enemy that sailors battle every day. Not to mention Al Queda and assorted terrorists such as the ones who attacked the USS Cole. Pointing out that Iran is already geared up for war in the Strait of Hormuz, The Persian Guf, and the Sea of Oman is probably redundant.

      No, treason is probably not an appropriate charge against these idiots, but I felt it necessary to point out that the US Navy is never at "peace". There are always operations taking place in which men's lives are in peril. Some of the most dangerous things pulled of by destroyers and small craft never make the news at all. Shipboard equipment is tested to it's limits daily, and lives depend on that equipment operating properly.

      Care to step aboard an aircraft carrier? During flight operations, no matter how peaceful, there is more danger in one 24 hour day than most people can imagine.

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    9. Re:Treason by QuoteMstr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First of all, the charge of treason is obviously inappropriate. Fraud it is.

      But to your other point, using a low-spec chip can certainly lead to lower reliability. What if the ersatz chip has less forgiving temperature than the real thing? What if the software running on it assumes it can respond within 50us to an external input, but because the ersatz chip is running at a lower clock speed, the response time is 100us? That could be the difference between your anti-ship-killer-missile cannon hitting the target and you surviving, or it missing and you dying.

      This is serious.

    10. Re:Treason by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is a ridiculous comparison. Manslaughter, IMO, should not be a crime. Either it was murder or it was an accident, and accidents shouldn't be punished.

      Note that I consider accidents to be those things that you could not control, ie someone jumps in front of your car. Not your fault. If you were drunk and hit someone, however, then you made the intentional choice to get drunk. The consequences of getting drunk involved killing someone. You might not have intended to kill them, but you intended to get yourself into a state where you couldn't control your actions and thereby pose a threat.

      Sell bad hardware to the Navy, well you intended to commit fraud. The results of that fraud might not be intentional, ie failure of mission critical systems and death, but you started the chain reaction. I'm not saying it is treason either, but any damage as a result of his fraud is still his fault, intended or not.

    11. Re:Treason by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Knowing selling the Navy computer components you KNOW would fail, to me, would fall into "giving aid to the enemy"

      Unless he acquired chips specifically designed to fail in combat, no, it's just a ripoff.

      We could argue intention/motivation, but a crime is a crime, regardless what you meant.

      The consequences are measured by motivation. Trust me, you do not want the definition of treason to get fuzzy, unless you want to fear what you post on public forums.

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    12. Re:Treason by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      don't know. Knowing selling the Navy computer components you KNOW would fail, to me, would fall into "giving aid to the enemy". We could argue intention/motivation, but a crime is a crime, regardless what you meant.

      No, actually, its not. Crimes general have a required mental state, and "what you meant" specifically is very often an essential component of the crime. What you meant (and when and why you came to mean it) can make the difference between Murder, Voluntary Manslaughter, Involuntary Manslaughter, and a non-criminal accident in which someone happens to have died.

      "a crime is a crime, regardless what you meant" would suggest that if, hypothetically, a group of passengers attempted to seize control of a commercial aircraft from hijackers attempting to use the plane as a weapon in a mass casualty attack aimed at a populated area, but caused the plane to crash in the process, and everyone on the plane was killed except for one of the passengers who tried to seize control of the plane back from the hijackers, that passenger would be as guilty of murdering everyone on the plane as he would have been if, instead, he had hijacked the plane and deliberately crashed it for the purpose of killing everyone on the plane. Intent, indeed, matters, both legally and morally.

    13. Re:Treason by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Industrial setting. Alright, if you say so, I won't argue that comparison.

      But, I have yet to see the industrial setting that I experienced in the winter of 1978 in the North Atlantic, the North Sea, and various bodies of water in and around Ireland, Scotland, Norway, etc. Everything was lashed down, to prevent it from becoming a missile hazard. Even a navsup pub can be hazardous, when the ship is tossing, bucking, and rolling violently in stormy seas. We lashed ourselves into our bunks, because being thrown from the top bunk could be fatal. In this kind of environment, dropping the load is likely to mean being capsized, and losing all hands aboard.

      Not everything aboard a destroyer is a combat system, true. But, there is nothing aboard ship that can't cost your life, or save your life, when the shit hits the fan.

      Maybe you accepted a career of tedium while you were in. Personally, I volunteered for anything and everything, and I intentionally chose commands that were most likely to see action. You'll probably admit there is considerable difference between tender duty, and duty aboard a leading desron's flagship.

      USS Richard E. Byrd DDG-23, DesRon 2

      I'm less proud of the USS Koelsch FF-1049. That was the tedium you seem to have in mind. The most exciting thing on that tub was when they asked the landing party to go ashore to verify some satellite intelligence. Dropping the load was almost routine, so it was never sent into the North Atlantic, and certainly not during the winter months.

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    14. Re:Treason by Nyall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      huh?

      I do embedded real time programming and guess what? lower performance = fail. e.g. if a system is spec'd to be able to track/extrapolate position of 100 moving objects and it only tracks 80 because someone slapped in a lower performing cpu then you are failing to track 20.

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  4. Can someone please explain the crossover here? by xpuppykickerx · · Score: 5, Funny

    The chips were then sold to Naval Sea Systems Command, the Washington, D.C., group responsible for maintaining the US Navy's ships and systems, as well as an unnamed vacuum-cleaner manufacturer in the Midwest.

    Has our Navy gone from suck to blow?

    1. Re:Can someone please explain the crossover here? by chord.wav · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's a typo. I'm sure they've meant "UNMANNED vacuum-cleaner" like the Roomba.

  5. Balls by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Scamming someone who can answer the question, "you and what army". Oh okay, so their answer is "not army, marines" but still. Takes guts.

    And with the US being involved in two wars, I think the sentence for this might actually be a cigarette, against a nice sunny wall. Blindfold optional.

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  6. Re:Seriously? by elzurawka · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can get away with fraud when dealing with the government. It's the Vacuum company that got them in trouble. The government would have probably went on for a few more years buying them if it wasn't for these people getting greedy and going after the lucrative vacuum market.

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  7. Chips..? by Burning1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Chips? Chips!?

    Common, this is Slashdot. Chips? The technical jargon in the summary is horribly confusing.

    For clarity, could we please use a more generic term, such as 'computer thingamajiggy?'

  8. Re:uuuh by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative

    whats wrong with sony, samsung, or intel. I'm sure they could produce chips for government related applications, not some shady business no ones heard of before.

    Are you familiar with efforts to foster American small businesses in the United States by the government (note this is nothing specific to Obama)? If you want to get into government contracts, I suggest you start a small business owned by a woman who is a minority. You'd be amazed at how easily you can land contracts and subcontracts as the government and big contractors strive to make quotas.

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  9. Re:Ron Paul!!! by Duradin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because it was the free market and private enterprise that was doing the scamming?

    And if they are willing to pull this on the gov't then it really doesn't bode well for the rest of us peons.

  10. Re:Unconstitutional by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In other words the right to regulate chip counterfeiting belongs to your local State government, until you expand the Constitution with an amendment

    Wrong. This is actually a proper use of the Interstate Commerce Clause. Now arresting some poor bastard for growing pot for his own personal use on the other hand.......

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  11. Re:Ron Paul!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't there some confusion here? This is the free market at work; if it wasn't, the Navy would have their own fabs and employ wafer process techs as well as sailors and airplane mechanics. This is outside the brief of the government, especially the Navy, hence the government buying the fake chips from a private contractor. They didn't do enough due diligence and got burned -- isn't that what's supposed to happen when there's an information imbalance in a market?

  12. HOW??? by frozentier · · Score: 5, Interesting

    HOW does a man and his family sell ANYTHING to the Navy? Is the Navy getting their parts from eBay or Craig's List?

    1. Re:HOW??? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's how. All government procurement has special programs for buying from small business, and in fact are required to spend a certain percentage at small businesses. Congress mandates it, 'cause it makes good press with the voters.

    2. Re:HOW??? by Artraze · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You seem to be assuming that these parts are readily available. Most likely, they have been long obsolete are almost impossible to find, if not truly so. As replacing legacy systems is often very expensive (esp. for the military, where it often isn't an option), such chips can easily go for hundreds of dollars, if not thousands and are only purchased in small quantities. I worked for a small business that needed such replacements for maintenance on a military project, and we got fakes for approx $350 each. Luckily we knew about these scams, tested them, and then got the credit card company to do a charge back.

      So, this is rather unsurprising to me, at least for the Navy. Why a vacuum cleaner manufacturer would need such parts I don't know. However, I'm fairly certain these weren't $10 chips that are currently available by the thousand from the manufacturer

    3. Re:HOW??? by Eil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yep, I have experience with this. I did autopilot repair in the Air Force and most of the systems I worked on were decades old. Most airplanes have a few non-essential parts that fail literally every few weeks because the manufacturing run was contracted out to some company that did a godawful job at re-engineering and manufacturing the part which was originally designed sometime in the 60's.

      Around 2000, we had a navigation system test bench that was controlled by a rackmount IBM 8086 PC. (The navigation system was considered "state of the art" then, if that tells you anything.) Well, we all know that hard drives die eventually but this thing lasted an incredible 25 years before a significant number of sectors started to become unreadable. Because the million-dollar bench was mostly useless without the PC, I took it upon myself to find a replacement disk. What a mistake that was... I managed to find one at GREAT expense to American taxpayers and it turned out that the replacement disk was in ever worse shape than the original. Produced another, same result. You just can't buy a new hard disk that old anymore and swapping out whole computer for something a little newer was non-trivial and was against many, many regulations. I finally managed to find one that was advertised as "never used," but I tell you I tried to stay as far away from that bench as possible after that. I sometimes wonder whether its still in use or if the system maintenance was simply contracted out.

  13. Re:uuuh by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suggest you start a small business owned by a woman who is a minority.

    Why is it (properly, IMHO) called racism and/or sexism if someone gives favoritism to a white male but doing the inverse is just fine and dandy?

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  14. Why does the military buy from minor distributors? by reporter · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This story is surprising. Why does the military buy critical electronic components from minor distributors?

    The military spends billions of dollars and has the money to buy directly from known, reputable firms like AMD, Siemens, Mitsubishi, NEC, Toshiba, etc. Doing so would ensure the quality of the electronic components.

    Why is the military dealing with relatively unknown distributors of suspicious origin? This story is fishy.

    The military probably did not intend to use anything "purchased" from unknown distributors. This "purchase", from the onset, was intended to be a honey pot attracting unscrupulous businesses connected to hostile governments like Beijing. The purchased components were never intended to be used. The aim was to find such unscrupulous businesses, to determine the network that Beijing has established in the USA, and to shutdown American traitors who participate in such a network.

  15. Value Added Reseller by pavon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Government procurement is a bureaucratic mess, and a royal pain in the ass for both buyers and sellers. Because of this (and because of rules preferring "small" and "minority-owned" businesses), it is very common for government entities to buy though a middle man that knows how their procurement systems work, rather than getting product directly from a manufacturer, especially for low-cost COTS products.

    1. Re:Value Added Reseller by pavon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except the only people that it helps are worthless middlemen that know how to game the system.

      In my experience I would split the companies into a few groups. First there are the ones that provide services - printing PCBs, building custom cables, assembling and testing racks of equipment, etc. These folks do good work and we would use them regardless of the rules - custom jobs are best done my small companies and even if there were only chains/franchises doing this sort of stuff, we would still choose between them based on the aptitude of whoever was running the local branch, rather than brand. All the rules do is make more hoops for us to jump through, and add cost to the contracting process.

      Next there are genuinely small shops/retailers that know their product well, and often offer better prices than the big box shops (like on standard computer cables etc). And of course there are inexpensive online retailers that we all know about. I would very much prefer to use the online sites when I have time to wait for shipping, and then these small local shops when I need something that day, or need to talk to someone.

      But the procurement rules make it too much of a damn hassle to use either. Instead we have to use these middle-men who don't know jack-shit about their product, but they know procurement process. I don't consider them to be either small or local either. They have zero local inventory. They only have a couple employees in town, and that is all they need because their entire job is to take our order and then place it with the manufacturer, often screwing it up in the process. So they are small in the sense that they have few employees, but process a huge amount revenue each year. Their sole purpose in existing is to fill the role of a middle man for the government procurement in town - they have no business with anyone else.

      These rules don't prevent/discourage anyone from buying from large companies, they just make you put a shim company in the middle when the best/only option is to purchase from big companies.

  16. Wait! by Shrike82 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fuck the Navy, you mean my vacuum cleaner might have sub-standard chips in it?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

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    1. Re:Wait! by AioKits · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fuck the Navy, you mean my vacuum cleaner might have sub-standard chips in it?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

      Are you a vacuum cleaner overclocker as well? Oh man, I thought I was the only one! I'm going to go home right this moment and make sure my Nortech N552BC-NED Dual Venturi 55G doesn't have these chips on it! And after all the time I spent adding that extra fine filtration with carbon and pin striping to it... Damnit all...

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  17. since the summary was a little vague by Z1NG · · Score: 5, Funny

    apparently the fake chips are made with less than 50% potato, have a weird taste and are sold in a can.

    1. Re:since the summary was a little vague by Jello+B. · · Score: 3, Funny

      you forgot anal leakage.

    2. Re:since the summary was a little vague by snspdaarf · · Score: 5, Funny

      you forgot anal leakage.

      No, but God knows, I have tried.

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  18. Re:uuuh by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is Slashdot damnit! Logic has no reason here.

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  19. Horrible Food by murpium · · Score: 2, Funny

    I knew those couldn't have been real Doritos

  20. Re:Ron Paul!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What happened is that they went with the cheapest (lowest bid) contractor. The other guys who bid on the contract probably had legit chips to sell and couldn't compete with the cheaters.

    This is why the government's practice of having to accept the lowest bid is just fucking dumb. They always get ripped off.

    Look at any of your local construction projects. The lowest bidder got that job. Now the job is over budget and behind schedule.

    They rarely go with the best, most qualified bidder.

  21. Must be one hell of a vacuum cleaner... by ewhenn · · Score: 2, Funny

    because the only chips in my vacuum cleaner are doritos that fell on the floor.

  22. I wonder how many of these quasi-mil spec... by AmazingRuss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... devices found themselves in things like reactor control systems, missile systems, and other catastrophically lethal stuff?

    Maybe the military should be making it's OWN components, instead of buying them from the people they have their guns pointed at.

    1. Re:I wonder how many of these quasi-mil spec... by NecroPuppy · · Score: 4, Informative

      They can't, unless certain, very specific criteria are met.

      And even if they are, it's usually cheaper to have purchased the data rights to an end of line product, and turn around and find another vendor who will make them to those specs.

      The US Military doesn't own large scale fabrication plants to "just make" whatever they need. And even if they did, Congress wouldn't let them use them, because it would be taking money away from US corporations.

      Let me give an example: There's a base that has SEABEE units. Naval Construction Battalions (CB -> SeaBee). It is not unknown that such a navy base might need, at some point, a new pier. This is the sort of thing that, when the SeaBees are sent overseas, that they build. But they can't do this at the base, even if they label it a "training exercise", because statutorally, the money has to go to contracted construction companies.

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  23. Re:uuuh by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is it (properly, IMHO) called racism and/or sexism if someone gives favoritism to a white male but doing the inverse is just fine and dandy?

    2 generations ago: negros were riding on the back of the bus (1949)
    3 generations ago: women hadn't yet been given the right to vote (1919)

    The short version is: because we say so.
    The full version might have something to do with the long and storied
    history of racism, sexism, and exploitation throughout human history.

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  24. Re:Ron Paul!!! by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The government is not at fault. The owner of those businesses is. The government looked for a seller within our free market, and that seller conspired to fool the government.

    If anything, this says more negative about the free market, and the willingness of people to do illegal things out of selfish greed.

    The government is the people. It is for the people, by the people. If the government is so "fucked up" as you say it is, than perhaps its just a reflection of our citizens.

    We need to be BETTER PEOPLE for ourselves, and our fellow Americans.

  25. Re:Ron Paul!!! by CTalkobt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Huh?

    I don't think this is an issue of Due Diligence - blame the goverment blah blah blah - it's an issue of THEY LIED. They stated the chips were one thing / one grade and turned out they were another grade entirely.

    It's reasonable to expect regular consumers in the marketplace to perform due diligence but when a person claims the product is the product and it appears that way then the person has performed due deligence. Requiring the person to inspect fab plants and everything else for every manufacturer is not due diligence - it's a hassle.

    Let's get out of this blame the government mantra - the politico talking heads are having enough fun as it is. This is a criminal issue for which the company should be nailed pretty harshly. The goverment should get it's retribution through whatever means are most expedient.

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  26. Re:uuuh by inhuman_4 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The full version might have something to do with the long and storied
    history of racism, sexism, and exploitation throughout human history.

    I see, so this is just history repeating itself.

    For a moment there I thought two wrongs don't make a right.

  27. Re:uuuh by dasunt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    2 generations ago: negros were riding on the back of the bus (1949)
    3 generations ago: women hadn't yet been given the right to vote (1919)

    What were white men doing two or three generations ago?

    While some of them were probably benefiting greatly from institutionalized sexism and racism, others were part of the poor, downtrodden masses.

    Even today, there are places that are very white and very poor, where there is little opportunity, and crime and poverty runs rampant.

    So why do we assume all white men don't need any additional help?

    Is it because of the color of their skin and their gender?

  28. Re:Why does the military buy from minor distributo by geekoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The military doesn't call people up and buy things. They announce a need and people bid. UIf a company doesn't bid then there isn't much they can do about it.

    Some larger companies won't deal with smaller contracts.

    This story isn't fishy, nore is the use of small companies unusual.

    It would be cool if it's a honeyu pot, but the odds of that is really low, and it would need to involve other agencies.

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  29. Re:What does counterfeit mean? by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is this like "counterfeit" copies of MS Windows? Where these chips that acted and functioned the same (shadow shift production runs)? Seems like we need a better word as counterfeit implies that it looks the same but does not act the same.

    No, it doesn't. A counterfeit is something that has been made or altered to appear to be something other than what it is, it may well act the same (indeed, "acting" the same under various tests is a key part of counterfeiting some things.)

    A counterfeit chip may well be one designed to perform the same function (e.g., in terms of logic), at least under normal conditions, but with different origins, QC, and/or range of designed operating conditions from the brand it is passed off as. Indeed, it would pretty much have to be not be noticed as soon as it was used.

    Maybe we should just be saying "copies produced without authorization?"

    "Copies produced without authorization" is quite a mouthful. If only there was an adjective that means that already, so the same idea could be expressed more concisely.

    Or, in short, in response to "what does counterfeit mean?" -- RTFDictionary.

  30. Mission Accomplished by fluidbyte · · Score: 5, Funny

    What about that guy that sold them the fake "Mission Accomplished" banner for their aircraft carrier?

  31. Re:Military spec vs commercial by soundhack · · Score: 2, Informative

    I would suspect that for certain chips, manufacturers do the same thing Intel/AMD do in terms of speed ratings. They make the chip, then test it at different conditions, and whichever chip passes the more stringent requirements gets labeled milspec. So the same silicon design could be designated different things.

  32. Unnamed vacuum maker? by mollog · · Score: 2, Funny

    I immediately thought of the quote about Microsoft; "the only time Microsoft will make something that doesn't suck is when they make a vacuum."

    Did anybody else catch the reference to NCIS? Life imitates art.

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    1. Re:Unnamed vacuum maker? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2, Informative

      Microsoft didn't invent that: it was invented by Goldtouch Technologies, from whom Microsoft simply ripped off the design which Goldtouch had shown them under a non-disclosure agreement to get Microsoft to license the mouse design. I actually used to have one of the old Goldtouch mice: the design was very similar. Check out http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,2070243,00.htm to see my point.

  33. Re:uuuh by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The full version might have something to do with the long and storied history of racism, sexism, and exploitation throughout human history.

    Interesting. So I'm being punished because of the crimes of my fathers.

    Actually, scratch that. My family came to the states from Germany in the 1930s and laid down roots in the Northeast. So they had nothing to do with slavery, Jim Crow or the lack of female voting rights. So, I'm actually being punished for the crimes of dead people just because I have roughly the same melanin levels that they did.

    Yeah, that's totally fair and just.

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  34. Re:Military spec vs commercial by epine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The funny thing is that the chip manufacturers commit this same fraud daily.

    This is the strangest definition of fraud. Smacks of a mail order degree in popular economics with hand typed training materials.

    What a company is selling is a chip that conforms to its spec. sheet. If the military version has a different spec. sheet, they can charge any price they like for putting into effect the QC process which allows them to stand behind those claims.

    It's not even in the military's interest to squeeze these vendors on price. That would only result in niche products the military depends upon being discontinued faster than ever. There's real cost here. You've got to keep some old guy around who remembers details about products you rarely sell, in case the military comes calling. If a company fails to maintain this courtesy, it won't long find itself on the preferred vendor list for new designs.

    The way out of this price trap is for the military to toss their aircraft carriers onto the landfill at the same rate consumers dispose of their cell phones. Then they can quote for volume on parts rated for a short rough-and-tumble service life and only pay twice as much as the common man.

  35. We were burnt as well by aspelling · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In 2006-2007 it was a problem to get many parts in the reasonable quality - flash, op-amps, multiplexors.
    So we bought a few reels from the second-hand distributor.
    As a result flash marked as 32Mb was 2Mb inside, op-amps weren't up to the specs (manufacturer confirm that they were made of written-off dyes), multiplexors were sold as a particular brand with advanced features while indeed were jelly beans for $0.10 a piece.
    Thankfully we were able to rework boards before products hit the consumer market.
    That was a good lesson for us to never use Chinese distributors for parts

  36. Re:Military spec vs commercial by viking80 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Argumentum ad hominem abusive does not belong in civilized discussion. I thought this was taught in elementary school. Since you bring up, I am curious as to where you got your education? It appears you neither understand my comment, and you also do not understand the marketplace.

    It is common, and well documented that early production of ICs often have few chips in the highest performance bin. These chips are then sold at a high premium. Later the process matures, and often all chips go into the highest performance bin. To still get the premium price this bin used to command, many of these are now derated. There are also many other reasons manufacturers sell the same silicon with different rating printed on the part.

    BTW, I have negotiated and sold products for military and aerospace use for decades. This includes ASICs and other in-house developed silicon.

    Can you give any examples of any of your claims?

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