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Google Apologizes For "Michelle Obama" Results

theodp writes "CNN reports that for most of the past week, when someone did a Google image search for 'Michelle Obama,' one of the first images that came up was a picture of the First Lady altered to resemble a monkey. After being hit with a firestorm of criticism over the episode, Google first banned the site that posted the photo, saying it could spread malware. Then, when the image appeared on another site, Google displayed the photo in its search results, but displayed an apologetic Google ad above it. On Wednesday morning, the racially offensive image appeared to have been removed from any Google Image searches for 'Michelle Obama.' Google officials could not immediately be reached for comment." Update — 15:38 GMT by SS: A reader pointed out that this article from the Guardian says the image was de-listed simply because it was removed from the blog where it was hosted rather than by any "deliberate" action from Google.

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  1. Good Job guys by AnonGCB · · Score: 5, Informative

    At the moment it suggests searching for "Michelle Obama monkey" when you search for "Michelle Obama"

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    1. Re:Good Job guys by olivier69 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The first suggestion is "michelle obama monkey" even when I only type "miche" in the search field !

    2. Re:Good Job guys by swarsron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But where's the picture? "Michelle Obama monkey" doesn't find it. Why can't we link to it in the summary if it's clear that the whole discussion will be about a picture 99% didn't see?

    3. Re:Good Job guys by bistromath007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This would've been modded "funny" if this were three years ago and we were talking about a picture of W as a monkey.

      The irony is that the joke is boring no matter who it's pointed at.

    4. Re:Good Job guys by dintech · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're both racist slurs. One shows ignorance of African Americans and the other shows ignorance of Monkeys.

    5. Re:Good Job guys by watergeus · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/24/michelle-obama-photo-goog_n_368760.html

      The apology of Google. "Sometimes Google search results from the Internet can include disturbing content, even from innocuous queries. We assure you that the views expressed by such sites are not in any way endorsed by Google. [...] We apologize if you've had an upsetting experience using Google. We hope you understand our position regarding offensive results."

      Will we see more apologies in the future?

    6. Re:Good Job guys by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the racist overtones are the difference between the Michelle case and the Bush case. Because in the United States, racist people used to call Black people monkeys as a racial slur. If (they had used any animal other than a primate) and (they had used any word other than a racial slur), then there wouldn't be any difference between the Michelle case and the Bush case. I'm pretty sure if they had morphed her into a cat or a fish, there wouldn't have been an uproar.

  2. First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one complained when Bush was made to look a monkey

    1. Re:First post by tacarat · · Score: 5, Funny

      I know a few monkeys that did.

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    2. Re:First post by tacarat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Monkey jokes aside, why ban it? Why not just file the picture under the normal, changeable, filter? There's still freedom of speech and I can easily google the KKK website. Unpleasant for some, yes, but that's the flip side of avoiding censorship (as opposed to user enacted filtering).

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    3. Re:First post by mcvos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Monkey jokes aside, why ban it?

      My thoughts exactly. I fully agree the image is in bad taste, but Google can't be held responsible for it, and they shouldn't feel responsible for it. Go blame the guy who put it on his website.

    4. Re:First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Looks like they did. Searching with SafeSearch off, 'michelle obama' returns relatively normal stuff, 'michelle obama monkey' shows it as the second result, and with moderate SafeSearch, 'michelle obama ape', the query _linked from the cnn article_, shows it as the first result, so it's definitely still there on Google.

      The original blogger took it down. The first mirror that shot it right back in to 1st place took it down, and then it left google's page rank caching for the 'Michelle Obama' query. Are we actually sure that Google did ANYTHING here? They might have marked the image offensive, which would [I assume, I know nothing of google's search results rankings] hide it from people with strict safesearch on, and severely downrank it on moderate and no safesearch results.

    5. Re:First post by tacarat · · Score: 3, Informative

      Are we actually sure that Google did ANYTHING here? They might have marked the image offensive, which would [I assume, I know nothing of google's search results rankings] hide it from people with strict safesearch on, and severely downrank it on moderate and no safesearch results.

      Good point. Deserves a point or two from anybody slinging them around, AC or not.

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    6. Re:First post by Seumas · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, because comparing a president's intellect to that of a monkey is exactly the same as a racist comparison of the president's wife to the physical appearance of a monkey. I know it might be nice to live in a little vacuum world in which nothing has any context, but certain things in our society are very loaded, even if when broken down, they should not be.

      I think the truly sad thing here is how the first lady gets something like this wiped from the internet (more or less) while every other person who isn't rich or famous or powerful has to simply accept Google indexing (even prominently) very slanderous, libelous, offensive, repulsive, wrong, insulting things by other people (for example, see how Google is perhaps the only search engine to not only avoid hampering the Rip Off Report's libelous and unchecked content that the owner uses as a method of extortion against businesses and individuals under the guise of a consumer activist service, but actually prominently ranks and displays content) -- if you're not the president's wife, it's just tough shit for you. If you *are*, then boy howdy, we'll jump right on that!

    7. Re:First post by Kreigaffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I see, so we should change what we say and how we express ourselves depending on the racial composition of the group we are in.

      Sounds wonderfully progressive. Perhaps, some day, we may even set up separate facilities for those of different racial backgrounds, so that all may feel free and comfortable amongst those to whom they can express themselves freely!

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    8. Re:First post by Seumas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree that as incredibly offensive as it is, it is absolutely a protected form of political speech in as much as it is commentary (no matter how obscene and juvenile) about a celebrity, public figure, de facto political figure. Meanwhile, the every day person has to put up with actual libel on the internet that is not in any way merely a form of "free speech" or "political commentary" and there's no recourse for them - through Google or otherwise.

      It seems to me, then, that the best thing they could have done is left it alone. The algorithm essentially culls the pulse of the internet for good or bad and when you start tweaking that (for instance, to promote google affiliates to the top two or three results), then you are essentially devaluing the entire worth of your index.

    9. Re:First post by Homburg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Isn't it just as racist that some insults are ok towards whites and off-limits towards blacks?

      No, obviously not. Likening Michelle Obama to a monkey is insulting her because she is black, and is therefore racist. Likening Bush to a monkey is not insulting him because he is white, and so is not racist.

      If you see the need to take either side, you discriminate people by race.

      This is, of course, bullshit. Being aware that people are assigned to different races, and treated differently because of this, is not racism, it's the first step in getting rid of racism. Pretending race doesn't exist, on the other hand, is just a way of pretending that racism doesn't exist, and so will inevitably perpetuate it.

    10. Re:First post by qc_dk · · Score: 4, Funny

      I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

      Maybe we should also create separate areas where the different races could sit in public transport, so we don't risk the discomfort and mental anguish of not being able to express ourself freely.

      Oh oh oh, and we could also create these camps where special races could be relocated to for the safety of primarily, of course, themselves and secondarily the nation.

    11. Re:First post by mjkjedi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree completely. However, I'd guess it's just a political move. People are largely unable to distinguish Google from the internet at large (particularly when it's in the form of Google representing trends that aren't easily observable to anyone who doesn't, say, have an extra copy of the net kicking around). So they blame Google when the internet contains something they don't like, hence Google tries to avoid it. Just my $0.02.

    12. Re:First post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wow.

      Likening a person to a monkey is insulting, I don't care what race you are. Likening Bush to a monkey isn't racism, I'll agree to that, but likening Michelle Obama to a monkey isn't either. Likening Michelle Obama because she is black to a monkey because people think black people look like monkeys is racist. It's the intent of the portrayal, not the portrayal itself. This isn't uncommon in thought or in law. If I accidentally hit someone with my car and they die, I can be charged with manslaughter. If I intentionally stalk someone and wait for that person to cross the street just so I can hit them with my car, that's murder. Same thing here. I can portray anyone I choose as a monkey, if it's done because they look like a monkey, or I'm making a comparison to something overly simian in their character or actions. If Michelle Obama throws her arm over her head and scratches herself and goes 'ook ook', am I allowed to photoshop her as a monkey then? At what point does it go from immediately racist to people thinking "Wait, maybe everyone ISN'T as racist as I am, and not everything done with a minority as a subject is racist?"

      Your second statement is just utterly ridiculous. To paraphrase: "It's not racist to define different protections in the categories of freedom of speech based on people's skin color. Segregation of discrimination is the first step in getting rid of racism. Everyone getting along and realizing race doesn't matter at all will perpetuate racism forever." I wanted to put the word 'pretending' in the last sentence, but sarcasm-deficient people probably would pounce on me for it. Brilliant word there, imagine this sentence: "Pretending everyone can get along and race just doesn't matter at all will perpetuate racism forever." It's true, pretending that will keep racism around, since you're just pretending. Believing it and acting like it is really the final step to getting rid of racism. Perhaps some of us are doing better than you are at not lying to ourselves, and actually aren't racist, instead of your "first amendment separate but equal, segregated zones of thought and criticism" brand of "non-racism".

    13. Re:First post by garethwi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, obviously not. Likening Michelle Obama to a monkey is insulting her because she is black, and is therefore racist. Likening Bush to a monkey is not insulting him because he is white, and so is not racist.

      So, what you are saying is that because Michelle Obama is black, she is closer to being a monkey than a non-black? That in itself sounds quite racist.

    14. Re:First post by garethwi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Would these camps have a high concentration of people in them? I want to know, because I have marketing on the phone, and they're looking for a catchy name.

    15. Re:First post by ztransform · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is, of course, bullshit. Being aware that people are assigned to different races, and treated differently because of this, is not racism, it's the first step in getting rid of racism. Pretending race doesn't exist, on the other hand, is just a way of pretending that racism doesn't exist, and so will inevitably perpetuate it.

      Picking and choosing what racism is leads to situations whereby innocent people are attacked, lose their jobs, and are branded pariahs because of a popularist opinion. Intent doesn't matter.

      Let's consider the act of children. Often they tease one another. They tease about your funny-sounding last name. They tease about your father's profession. They tease about your weight or lack of weight. They tease about your private body parts or the way you move. They tease about your intelligence or lack thereof. They tease about your hair style. They tease about your skin colour (even when you're burnt or pale).

      Now let's consider the act of adults. They can tease about stupidity. They can tease about money. They can tease about weight. They can tease about accents and behaviour. They can tease about looks. They can tease about names. Except if that person is from a racial background that refuses to accept criticism.

      So what's the resulting behaviour? Avoid certain races in the workplace. They might sue you for racism regardless of the intent. Avoid certain races in the street. They might attack you then claim you incited racial hatred.

      At the end of the day anybody who says that one person is entitled to being treated differently to another on the base of race is a racist.

      There comes a time when society as a whole should become sick of popularist definitions of racism and just embrace the title.

    16. Re:First post by logixoul · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Monkey fur is closer in color to black human skin than to white human skin. If you don't realize that, well...

    17. Re:First post by aplusjimages · · Score: 2, Interesting

      don't just blame it on the guy who posted it, but also Google works on natural search. Blame the millions of people who searched for this picture using those keywords. This image coming up first just shows how racist americans still are. I say Google should have let it be. As disgusting as it is it represents a group of people in this period of history. You can't erase it like the Germans are trying to do with the Nazi history.

      And for those morons who are comparing this to George Bush's monkey, you all are idiots. George Bush's monkey was showing he was as dumb as a monkey. Michelle Obama's is just racist. There's a history of racist calling blacks monkeys in the US. And if you think they are the same then you most likely are a racist yourself. Its time for you to come out of the closet and be open about it.

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    18. Re:First post by mrsquid0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are joking, right? There were many complaints and objections to the various monkeyfied images of George W. Bush. I remember hearing one talk radio host saying that he wanted to charge the people responsible with treason.

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  3. Well, something *has* changed by Shin-LaC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They never did that for the "Bush chimp" pictures.

    1. Re:Well, something *has* changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course, that comparison wasn't racially charged.

    2. Re:Well, something *has* changed by AndGodSed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would a racially charged comparisson fall into a different category? And for that matter, IF a racially charged comparisson does fall into a special category why do Michele Obama images get removed and not the images that compare Robert Mugabe with a chimp?

      Are some people more equal than others?

      That said, I think stooping to doing something like this, or the Bush chimp images are in bad taste. The idiots who make images like these are the ones who should apologize, google is a gateway to the internet and not responsible for how other people use the internet.

      On that point, slippery slope time - will it be possible in future that "offensive" websites are removed from google search results on demand from groups such as governments in the future? I mean google does something similar for China wrt search results, how long before it spreads worldwide?

    3. Re:Well, something *has* changed by Lundse · · Score: 2, Informative

      What makes you so sure that this comparison is racially charged?

      Because likening black people to monkeys is a tried and true tactic of racist morons?

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    4. Re:Well, something *has* changed by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, Its called freedom of speech, and it looks like someone in the administration got buddy buddy with google and had it removed, stepping all over the creators freedom of speech.

      Yeah, it's called freedom of speech. It's the reason Google is allowed to filter its own speech, or Fox News is allowed to filter its own speech, or Walmart is allowed to filter its own speech/product lines. Besides, it's not like you can't pick a different search engine if you don't like it. Obviously, if they filter too much, they're bound to lose a significant part of their marketshare. The internet is incredibly self-regulating that way.

    5. Re:Well, something *has* changed by BitZtream · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, if you know anything about this history of racism in America, it was quite common to refer to blacks as monkeys, apes, chimps, ect. in the past.

      The whole racism thing is played WAY TO FUCKING MUCH now days, but you have to be completely ignorant of history in the US to not at least see how it could be viewed as a racial attack.

      If you're not American I can understand, if you are American then you're either 12, have lived in a box for all your life, or have experienced so much censorship in your life that you've never heard of it before, which is equally as sad.

      Never heard the phrase 'Porch Monkey' even?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6OselVRTsM
      Great scene ... but more on topic for the ignorant
      http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Porch+Monkey&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10

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    6. Re:Well, something *has* changed by thesandtiger · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You're ridiculous.

      The administration wouldn't have to lift a finger to get Google to remove this - market pressures would. Someone finds a race-baiting image of the First Lady is a top result on Google and sends word to everyone in their address book about it, and those people spread it, and so on. At some point you'd have tons of people contacting Google to demand that it be remedied, and Google would do it rather than suffer a pretty serious PR black eye.

      Why would the Obama administration bother swinging at a pitch in the dirt like this? People have been shown at protests with signs that insult the man's *children* by calling them all kinds of racist names, and he doesn't bother responding to it, but you think that a stupid caricature of his wife is somehow going to get him to say "Hey, I think I'll take an action that, if found out, would completely ruin my credibility and won't have any impact because the image will still be out there. That's a winning move!"

      It looks like you're a paranoid kook who doesn't have any clue how the real world actually works. The fact that some other mong modded you "insightful" should be frightening to people who actually have a functioning brain.

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    7. Re:Well, something *has* changed by bmo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because Robert Mugabe deserves it.

      He turned Zimbabwe from a large exporter of food to the rest of southern africa to a net importer. When you make people eat grass so you can line your own pockets and the pockets of your friends and give farms through "land reform" to people who don't know how to farm (train them? hogwash!), you deserve every bit of criticism aimed your way.

      In my heart of hearts, I believe Mugabe is guilty of crimes against humanity for what he's done to Zimbabwe.

      Michelle Obama on the other hand, does not deserve the same treatment.

      Yes, Google is *a* gateway (for some people). But they are also a private company. They can index what they wish. Don't like it? Use another index. You don't own their servers and they are not a branch of government. Use Bing if you want. Nobody's forcing you to type google.com into the address bar.

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    8. Re:Well, something *has* changed by mcvos · · Score: 2, Informative

      Didn't human beings EVOLVE from apes? Didn't blacks evolve BEFORE whites? Didn't whites evolve FROM blacks?

      Yes and no. White people didn't evolve from blacks in the same way we didn't evolve from chimps, but the distant ancestors of white people lived in Africa and were almost certainly black. Just like the distant ancestors of modern black people.

      Your implication that white skin is somehow more highly evolved than black skin is false, however. Neanderthals were very likely white, yet evolved before black Homo Sapiens did. It's just a matter of living in a different environment. Skin colour seems to be one of the easiest genetic traits to change through evolution.

    9. Re:Well, something *has* changed by HybridJeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It irritates me that "racist morons" can claim an entirely valid form of social commentary as their own and forever prevent a normal person from using similar devices to ridicule anyone with a certain ethnicity. There are a lot of reasons to compare people to monkeys while ridiculing them without their skin colour being at all relaxant.

    10. Re:Well, something *has* changed by mcvos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They never did that for the "Bush chimp" pictures.

      That's political satire - not racism.

      Racism won't be truly a thing of the past until we can make fun of black and white politicians alike.

    11. Re:Well, something *has* changed by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Michelle Obama on the other hand, does not deserve the same treatment.

      That's your political determination, then, and if comparing Mugabe to a chimp is not inherently racist then comparing any of the Obamas to a chimp is not necessarily racist by the same line of logic.

    12. Re:Well, something *has* changed by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would a racially charged comparisson fall into a different category?

      If some guy gets beaten up in an argument between those two people, it's between them.
      If some guy gets beat up over his race, it's also a warning/threat to all others of his race.

      Racism is more like terrorism light, trying to dehumanize them, segregate them, make them fear walking the street because they're not safe for "their kind", vandalizing and destroying property to scare them way. We don't all like each other, but the world has many, many bad experiences creating classes of people, be it masters and slaves, believers and heretics, über- and untermenschen and so on. Intent is crucial in many crimes, and "because he's not an equal human being" has been singled out as a very bad intent, worse then "I was mad at him". I tend to agree.

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    13. Re:Well, something *has* changed by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 3, Funny

      Here's a helpful list of more racial slurs for future reference, so you can avoid future faux pas:

      Ape, Aunt Jemima, Coon, Crow, Golliwogg, Jigaboo, Jungle Bunny, Macaca, Mammy, Monkey, Munt, Nig-nog, Nigger, Pickaninny, Porch Monkey, Quashie, Sambo, Sooty, Spade, Tar-baby, and Uncle Tom.

    14. Re:Well, something *has* changed by Vintermann · · Score: 2

      Tar baby is in the same category as "niggardly"

      1. Some guy uses the word in the original sense
      2. Some other person is offended by misunderstanding
      3. Racists are amused by the misunderstanding by person in 2, say it proves people like 2. are idiots, and start using the word because of it.

      So please don't assume anyone who uses that word is racist. They may have just missed 3 and possibly 2.

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    15. Re:Well, something *has* changed by HanzoSpam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Michelle Obama is not a politician. Attacking family members of a politician is a No-no.

      Tell that to Sarah Palin.

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    16. Re:Well, something *has* changed by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Informative

      You mean other than the fact that Google said they were contacted by the administration? It's on the "apology" page.. which is more like a "no actually, you can't sue us" information page.

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    17. Re:Well, something *has* changed by unix1 · · Score: 2

      You are right. The administration had probably nothing to do with censoring that picture.

      BUT... If I am Barack Obama, I am picking up my phone, calling Google and asking them to put the picture back. In fact, wasn't he in China just last week telling students there how back in the ol' US of A people can say all kinds of things about him, and how he loves freedom of speech?

      And now, an offensive picture of his wife mysteriously disappears from the #1 web search engine. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the world? Think of all the propaganda that Chinese and other governments can orchestrate from this!

    18. Re:Well, something *has* changed by 4D6963 · · Score: 2, Funny

      if you are American then you're either 12, have lived in a box for all your life

      It's called a basement, you insensitive clod!

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    19. Re:Well, something *has* changed by neoform · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They never did that for the "Bush chimp" pictures.

      That's political satire - not racism.

      Racism won't be truly a thing of the past until we can make fun of black and white politicians alike.

      Racism won't be truly a thing of the past until people stop being racist. The person who made that image of Michelle Obama, did so because he/she wanted to make a racist statement.

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    20. Re:Well, something *has* changed by Nqdiddles · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As someone who isn't American, thank you for explaining that. I couldn't figure out what people were so worked up over.

      I still think it's a steaming pile of horse shit. In bad taste, yes. Something to get excited over? I'm still not seeing it. Many people can be caricatured in various ways due to their looks, and sometimes it's even amusing. I don't see the need to declare a comparison "off limits" because of someone's race. A lot of the comments here seem to suggest it's fine for me to portray a white person as a monkey (even if we agree it's in bad taste), even if they happen to resemble one more than most of us do. But don't dare make that comparison of someone black.

      Be willing to call it like it is, even it's a crappy attempt at humour. That seems to more closely embody equality, at least to me. But yes, a lot of it depends on intent, and I wasn't around to hear the racial slurs of the past.

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    21. Re:Well, something *has* changed by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The person who made that image of Michelle Obama, did so because he/she wanted to make a racist statement

      And all of the pictures of white celebrities made to look like apes, on the same site, by the same person, were also racist? The same person has been making people of varying ethnicities look like apes since 2007 (according to archive.org; the earliest index they have of the site is December 16 2007, the earliest post visible on the front page from that copy is December 6). But now, suddenly, because it's Micelle Obama, receiving exactly the same treatment as several hundred other celebrities over the last two years it's a racist statement?

      Somehow, I get the feeling that you're projecting.

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  4. Bad move Google... by VShael · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Though not terribly surprising, I suppose.

    Google did not act when there were images of the prophet in its search results, or offensive images from shock sites, or when Bush was made to look like a chimp. Bowing to pressure like this only re-inforces the belief that "new" media, as well as "old" media, has a liberal bias.

    1. Re:Bad move Google... by thesandtiger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I totally agree. I'm sick of people on the Left trying to tell me that I need to be protected from people who want to burn flags. And it enrages me when those goddamn Lefties keep on pushing those constitutional amendments that ban gay marriage as if somehow I need to be protected from 2 adult men or 2 adult women expressing their commitment to each other! I also probably don't need to tell you about how it sickens me that people on the Left want to stop teaching sex education and safer sex practices that might help our kids not get pregnant or STIs! And you know, I actually hear that those goddamn Lefties want to keep out homosexuals from serving in the military because they think that somehow grown men and women - trained soldiers and people who've volunteered to put their country before themselves - can't handle it! Can you imagine?

      Stupid Lefties, with their attempts to protect us from things that aren't remotely dangerous! No wonder they're always going into churches to shoot up people who don't agree with them, amiright?

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    2. Re:Bad move Google... by Bill+Dog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with you on all your points except your implicit overall one, that nannyism on the Right makes nannyism on the Left less bad.

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  5. Responsible by Lord+Lode · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since when is Google responsible for the content on the Internet?? I thought it just showed what was there, no matter what.

    1. Re:Responsible by pmontra · · Score: 2, Informative
  6. Nice to hear... by bhunachchicken · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... that Google is now being held accountable to what is available on the internet. That should take them down a peg or two.

  7. RIDICULOUS... by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google *should* just index what it finds, and thats what originally happened here...

    There are thousands of sites out there hosting insulting pictures of george bush, some where he looks like a monkey or is compared to one and some where he's likened to adolf hitler... If you're going to do something that makes you famous, then you will attract a huge amount of attention and inevitably some of it will be bad. That is well known up front and you can't go crying about it when it happens. Noone forced obama to stand, and now that he's won there will be a lot of attention given to him and his family, if he doesn't like that he should have thought about it before.

    Incidentally, when i woke up this morning i had no plans whatsoever to look for pictures of michelle obama on the internet, but having read this story i went looking for the picture in question and i'm sure a lot of other people will do the same. Had i stumbled across such pictures by accident without having read this story i probably wouldn't have thought anything of it because there are countless other derogatory pictures of famous people out there.

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    1. Re:RIDICULOUS... by ediblespread · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are thousands of sites out there hosting insulting pictures of george bush, some where he looks like a monkey or is compared to one and some where he's likened to adolf hitler...

      ...because there are countless other derogatory pictures of famous people out there.

      And all of them are able to be taken down under Google's "offensive images" policy. Go to http://images.google.com/ and search for anything. Now scroll down to the bottom - note the "Report Offensive Image" button? This allows people to report images which they consider offensive - such as pictures of Michelle Obama as a monkey, or George Bush as Adolph Hitler.

      In all honesty, when I first saw this story I thought "What? How can they justify doing that - surely it's against free speech?". That was before I actually went to Google's site, saw their offensive images button and read the policy. Now I agree with their decision, but unfortunately it seems that this is one more issue that will be blown up beyond belief simply because it involves two famous 'people' - Michelle Obama, and Google.

  8. I side with Google by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When Google said that it wouldn't remove the picture I was quite annoyed with them, but then it suddenly dawned on me that if they removed that picture, the very next thing that would happen is that some bright spark would speak up and say "Great, now take this one down too, because it's just as bad" and before you know it, the whole situation's lost control.

    It wasn't particularly fair on Google and they had to make a tough decision and I think in this instance they made the right one.

  9. "racially offensive"? by AlgorithMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why is that picture "racially offensive"?
    because the portrayed person is black?
    what if it was made by a black person?
    do we know it wasn't made by a black person?
    would it be racially offensive it it portrayed a white person and was made by a black person?

    if we want to reach REAL equality between all races, this also means we mustn't go nuts about an insult to a person from one race while not caring about the same insult to a person from another race (remember the bush/chimpanzee pictures?)

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    1. Re:"racially offensive"? by julian67 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a)Why is that picture racially offensive?
      b)Would it be racially offensive it it portrayed a white person and was made by a black person?

      a) because black people have often *racially* abused in terms comparing them to monkeys. Examples: in UK until *relatively* recently people at soccer matches would wave bananas and shout 'monkey' at black players. This still happens a lot in eastern and some parts of southern Europe. In India and Pakistan black cricketers (i.e African/African-Carribean, usually those from UK, West Indies, South Africa, Zimbabwe) are routinely subjected to shouts of 'bandar' from the crowd, bandar being the Hindi word for monkey. Historically people have misrepresented Darwin's theory and presented Africans as being less evolved and closer to the apes than white people and used this to justify racial discrimination.

      b) No, it would just be offensive. There would not the *well known and widely understood* racial context.

      These points are so obvious as to be almost self evident. To claim not to be aware of them or to understand them is perverse.

    2. Re:"racially offensive"? by thesandtiger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know, right? It's really awful when just because there has been a history of comparing black people to monkeys in the US as a way of denying their intelligence and humanity that some oversensitive people leap to the absurd conclusion that a picture of a black person being portrayed as a monkey is somehow race-baiting.

      I'm sure it was probably drawn because the artist felt that monkeys are cute, Michelle Obama is cute, and a Michelle Obama monkey is probably even cuter, right? Because it's just stupid to imagine that there would be any racial component to it. This is the 21st century! We don't do that stuff any more!

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    3. Re:"racially offensive"? by diamondmagic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So being black protects you from certain insults even though the content is exactly the same? Isn't that in and of itself racist?

    4. Re:"racially offensive"? by AlgorithMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If that picture was made to insult black people in general (not michelle obama in particular), then why did the creator use a picture of her and not any other (non-famous) black person?

      I shrugged my shoulders when I saw that picture, just like I shrugged my shoulders when I saw the bush/chimpanzee pictures and you know why? because I deeply believe that we should get rid of discrimination. The meaning of that word is "making differences between races/genders/etc" in any way, but I think many people believe that "putting an end to discrimination" meant something like "taking revenge for what happened"

      When you tell me I should go nuts about that picture, but not about the bush/chimpanzee pictures, you are telling me to discriminate (agains white people). Its people like you, who just can't stop using the skincolor to classify a human being, that keep discrimination alive, so go and f... yourself!

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    5. Re:"racially offensive"? by AlgorithMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are differences between blacks and whites.

      I disagree... because I'm not a racist like you...
      I want discrimination to end, you are one of the people who keep it alive, because you just can't stop classifying people based on their skincolor...

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  10. This is disgusting by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and frightening.

    If you care about freedom of speech you have to be willing (and you should be proud) to let people say stuff you don't agree with.

    That includes racist bullshit too. Even if it is directed at the world's favorite US president's wife.

    Christ on a stick you guys are fail.

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  11. Re:In Soviet America, Google censors you. by gzipped_tar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No one forces you to use Google. If you don't like Google's exercising of free speech (of choosing what *not* do display) you may as well refrain from using its product.

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  12. To be fair here by Beelzebud · · Score: 2, Informative

    They have not censored this image, or blocked it from their search. They just removed it from the top pick when you do an image search of her name. One of their suggested searches points you directly to the image. If you google Michelle Obama Monkey it comes up.

  13. Understandable by anilg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Come on.. this is the just the Zeitgeist. There are more people searching for the picture in question rather than just her name. That would put the suggestion higher in the list (I'm guessing that's how the autocomplete algorithm works).

    Google isn't really to blame.. and them removing this item can be seen as censorship.

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    1. Re:Understandable by Aldenissin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Google isn't really to blame.. and them removing this item can be seen as censorship.

      I agree, while I find comparing a first lady to a monkey, or anyone for that matter beyond tasteless, if we don't have free speech then I am scared that I will not be able to say other things that have to be said. What if I called George Bush a monkey? Oh, so it is because Michelle is Black and a monkey is supposed to stand for a racist image against black people. Words only hold the power that you, give them. Some black (and white) people all of the time say, "What's up my nigga?" I realize it is not exactly the same as nigger, but it is close enough that everyone knows this. They have changed the word. If someone calls you a monkey, a whore, cannibal, or a witch, it is all about how you react to it. For example, if Michelle Obama believes in evolution, then she could say something like "Perhaps I do resemble a monkey, just like us all. I am proud of the results of evolution and where it has put this great nation." (I am a Christian and don't necessarily believe in all of the "mainstream" theory of evolution, but this is an example.) I am not saying this is what she should do, just a possibility of turning it around on her haters. Regardless, this is where she will show her true colors. What she says and how she reacts will demonstrate what she truly believes. This isn't directly tied to the President, but she is his wife.

      Here, Google is over reacting and getting political. This disturbs me with the power they are now welding and looking to hold in the future. The image may be hurtful, but it must be allowed. I had high hopes for Google, as they appeared to come close to the best solution in China, and perhaps they did. But we can't get emotional in this thing. That is exactly what the people who put out these images want. We must think logically, and dismiss those that are illogical and try to provoke us.

      So, suppose that President Obama or another black president, or any future president for that matter, happens to do some war crimes or worse, on the level done in Guantanamo Bay (See Taxi to the Dark Side )? Don't you think for a second if the precedents are set that they will not try to limit our speech. We can not allow exceptions for something clearly protected by the First Amendment.

      Look, no matter how much you like the guy, or his wife you shouldn't play into the hatred of others and become like them. You can be proud of your race sure, but we American's are people, and I want someone that will do everything in his power to protect me for being white, as much as protect another for being black. That is racial equality and required for civil peace. In conclusion, the best thing to do would be for Michelle or the President himself to ask Google to return the images. That would make me even more proud to be an American and have considerably more faith in my President about his confidence of his own actions and merits.

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    2. Re:Understandable by caluml · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also:

      Google is not the government, it is a private company with no legal or moral requirement to remove links to something that clearly offends some of its customers.

  14. Yes, "alike" by xant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the Google apology link was a good idea, since it explained to the uninitiated how Google works, rather than making Google responsible for everything on the Internet.

    Further, I agree with this statement: "Racism won't be truly a thing of the past until we can make fun of black and white politicians alike."

    However, this is not "alike". We make fun of white politicians--and their wives, at times--without reference to their race. That's not the same as dehumanizing Michelle Obama for being black.

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  15. Re:Special Treatment for Kenyan in the White House by Lundse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Voting on the basis of skin color is quite acceptable by today's moral standard.

    No. This is the "he hit first"-argument, and it doesn't work in kindergarten either.
    (Actually, it's the "he said some bad things back after I killed his brother and tortured him, so it's ok that I say bad things too"...)

    It is not OK to vote racist. No matter who you are. Voting based on skin colour is undermining the entire idea of egalitarianism and democracy - we cannot outlaw it, but we can definitely cry foul. So I find your post informative and interesting, but I do not agree with your conclusion (or was it just a provocation?)

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  16. Racist nonsense. by Beelzebud · · Score: 3, Informative

    African-Americans have voted in a much larger percentage for the Democratic party since the civil rights era. That whole time they were voting for white politicians.

    Frankly, your entire premise here is ignorant bullshit. Going by your logic every white person is a racist, if they've only voted for white politicians like John Sidney McCain.

  17. Stupidity is not color-blind. by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Humans are one species of ape, so of course there are clear similarities in appearance (and differences also, chiefly that humans are nearly bald over most of their bodies). For instance, we can recognize a wide range of facial expressions in apes, and associate them with comparable expressions in humans. These similarities are stronger or weaker depending on the moment, but exist for any human individual. Exploiting the similarity to parody a public figure as an ape or monkey is commonplace, and should be considered just another form of fair comment. This is not a race-specific issue - it applies equally across the board.

    Google's conduct in cowing to politically motivated whiners is reprehensible. It is apparently acceptable to compare George W Bush or Steve Ballmer to monkeys (or chimps, or whatever) in words or pictures as social or political comment. Tony Blair mostly got poodle comparisons, but there's probably a few monkey ones around also. RMS would be fair game as an ape, too, although he typically gets cave-man or neanderthal comparisons. The US cannot consider itself color-blind or non-racist until the same gamut of insults can be levelled at any public figure without fear of censorship or witch-hunting.

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    1. Re:Stupidity is not color-blind. by Chrisje · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can ignore America's shameful history of racism. Yours is a circle argument. We can't act normally because in the past people didn't act normally? Come on.

      The original poster was right. And even if these people are doing what they are doing because they are racists, I don't get what the Big Fucking Deal (TM) is. Let them be racist, it doesn't mean censorship is the answer. Censoring racism will force it underground and thus strengthen it.

      To answer Jon Stewart's question "Is blackface ever acceptable?": Hell yes. Just as whiteface, or any "face". It's only racist if we let it affect ourselves in that way. Otherwise it's just something to shrug your shoulders at, or potentially laugh.

    2. Re:Stupidity is not color-blind. by twostix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The hypocrisy and faux outrage of the left wing in the US is more than a little disturbing and starting to become a little overwhelming to the point that it's truly starting to taint my view of the entire movement. It's not like they don't remember 18 months ago when they were still doing the *exact same things* to the bush admin as is being done here. Calling them Nazi's, the underlying racism against Rice and Powell, calling Powell a pet, token black, etc (until he changed to their "side" that is), the photoshop fridays, etc.

      So where was this fake outrage and Googles swift action when the internet hoardes were photoshopping Condoleezza Rice to look like an http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&um=1&q=Condoleezza+Rice&sa=N&start=105&ndsp=21 african native ?

      Absolute hypocrites.

    3. Re:Stupidity is not color-blind. by 1s44c · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So racism is dead in America right? Until that happens of course it is still unacceptable to apply monkey parody to black public figures. You cannot ignore America's (or much of the West's) shameful history of racism. Do not imagine for a second that the people who create images of Michelle Obama that make her look more monkey like are doing it simply because they noticed the striking similarity between humans and monkeys. They are doing it because they are racists.

      So it's a sick hate crime to compare a black man or woman with a monkey. Yet it's fine to compare a white man to a monkey?

      If you don't like racism then you should start by treating all races identically. If you want one set of rules for whites and one set for blacks it's clear who is being the racist here.

    4. Re:Stupidity is not color-blind. by 1s44c · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Censoring racism will force it underground and thus strengthen it.

      Interesting. Can you elaborate further? This seems counter-intuitive to me.

      If you ban something you only attract a whole bunch of people who think it's banned because it's cool.

    5. Re:Stupidity is not color-blind. by jonbryce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They did it to George W Bush as well. That would suggest they are not racist - they do it to everyone regardless of race.

    6. Re:Stupidity is not color-blind. by DJRumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And yet we've gone from it being publicly acceptable to put blacks in the back of a bus and make them drink from a different water fountain, to an African American president.

      They essentially made overt racism illegal, at least in public.

    7. Re:Stupidity is not color-blind. by ObitMan · · Score: 2

      I wholeheartedly agree with this post.
      There was never this kind of outrage when Powell or Rice were made fun of.

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    8. Re:Stupidity is not color-blind. by LordKronos · · Score: 5, Informative

      Do not imagine for a second that the people who create images of Michelle Obama that make her look more monkey like are doing it simply because they noticed the striking similarity between humans and monkeys. They are doing it because they are racists.

      They are doing it because they are racists? It appears the photo came from celebrityapes.com, and they did this same treatment to a number of famous people. http://www.somethingawful.com/d/awful-links/celebrity-apes.php

      I suppose it was racism that drove them to turn the photo of Sara Palin into an ape, right? Yep...those fucking racists, always using derogatory terms like "monkey" whenever they see a white person.

      You did get one thing right....racism is still alive in this country/world, and unfortunately it will always be there, especially when people like you are right there to jump on the bandwagon and cry "racism" before you've even seen what has really happened. Good job stirring the pot up for no good reason.

    9. Re:Stupidity is not color-blind. by Cruciform · · Score: 2, Informative

      John Safran's Race Relations (2nd episode) had him not only in blackface but completely masquerading as a black person. People noticed he looked different, but everyone seemed to accept it because of what he was saying - transferring his outlook as a young jewish man and hip hop musician to the "black experience".

      It was both humorous and insightful, and done with no malice whatsoever.

    10. Re:Stupidity is not color-blind. by Xest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What has this got to do with the left wing?

      Hypocrisy is using something like this, which is really bipartisan in treatment and trying to blame it on a particular political movement and then inferring from that that they are somehow the hypocrits.

      The reason there was no uproar when it was done to Bush and Rice is because they were almost universally hated by the majority of the media at that point, whilst Michelle Obama has managed to maintain her place as a media darling just as many others have before her for some time.

      Really, the reason people like Michelle Obama become media sweathearts nearly always has fuck all to do with her political stance and more to do with how she's been growing lettuce in the Whitehouse garden and what dresses she wears and other dumb shit like that.

      I agree it stinks, why is it racist when they turn Michell Obama into a monkey and not George Bush? But blame media idiocy for creating Saint Michelle, partisan politics frankly has fuck all to do with it. It's little different to the media creating Saint Dianna after Princess Dianna died in a car crash despite the fact for months prior she'd been pointed out as a slut who had literally sworn at small children who ran up to her to get the chance to meet a real princess. If the media brings politics into it to defend their latest Saint then realise it for what it is- the media just using whatever it can to defend said Saint because it sells, don't stoop to their level of idiocy though and blame that whole political wing else you become the hypocrit.

      To put it in another, more simplistic way, if this had been about a black actress, would you still have brought political leaning into it?

    11. Re:Stupidity is not color-blind. by The+Moof · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What has this got to do with the left wing?

      Here's the left wing bias: We never saw anything like this when Condolezza Rice was photoshopped (any of the numerous times). Another example is the "Joker Face" images. Do it to Obama and it's some sort of crazy Racist propaganda. Do it to Bush, and you get published in magazines for clever political satire. The bias is obviously there, since it seems any time it happens to the left, there's some huge controversy and stuff gets censored.

    12. Re:Stupidity is not color-blind. by ozbird · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Charles Darwin was caricatured as an ape; I wonder if the "outrage" has more to do with creationism than racism? Pointing out the similarities between humans and simians is evidence of evolution: blasphemy! It reminds me of Blackadder's puritanical aunt that saw sin everywhere: "Don't call me 'Auntie.' Aunt is a relative and relatives are evidence of sex."

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    13. Re:Stupidity is not color-blind. by Myopic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So it's a sick hate crime to compare a black man or woman with a monkey. Yet it's fine to compare a white man to a monkey?

      Well, I don't know if it's "fine", but it's certainly not racist.

      The term that describes your argument is "false equivalence". Specifically, you said this:

      If you want one set of rules for whites and one set for blacks it's clear who is being the racist here.

      There aren't two sets of rules here, there is only one. The rule is: it's racist to use racial stereotypes against members of that race. It's not possible to make a racist depiction of Bush as a monkey, because Bush isn't a member of a race commonly stereotyped as monkeys. However, it is not impossible to make an offensive depiction of Bush as a monkey, with the offense based on something other than race. If you want racist images of Bush, you would have to use stereotypes of his race, perhaps with pictures of crackers or something.

      Really, that false equivalence is very, very common, and I often wonder whether or not the people making it believe it. I ask this seriously: do you honestly, really, deep down in your heart, think that a monkey-Bush picture is equivalent in all ways to a monkey-Obama picture? Do you also have trouble in other areas of your life making distinctions between two very different things that share a shallow commonality?

  18. Google vs Bing by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just did a Google vs Bing comparison on image search for michelle+obama+monkey.
    First comment: the images were displayed really slowly on Bing; many never appeared at all.
    Second comment: of the images displayed, Google's had more with a monkey theme of some sort.
    Third comment: neither search produced anything I'd refer to as offensive.

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  19. You Cannot Give Offense by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can only take it.

    Say what you want about the Right (and being an equal opportunity center-of-the-aisle kind of snark, I've said a lot...), they have much thicker skins than the Left, I've noticed. Every joke made about the current administration can never really be just a joke about the current administration, it's either borne of "racism" or a "disturbing indication of a growing violence and unrest." The recent SNL stuff is making my leftie friends apoplectic; when the same show skewered Bush and Cheney, my rightie friends were, like, "SNL? Is that still on?"

    Sure, it's all anecdotal, but you know I'm correct.

    I think that righties don't mind being un-hip. Many even carry it as a "badge of honor." (I am reminded here of bowtie-wearing Conservative pundit Tucker Carlson.) The lefties are mortified that they might somehow be un-cool, and that the Stewarts/Colberts/SNLs/Lettermans will turn on them. They need to be "in" on the joke, and not the butt of it, and if they ARE the butt of it, well, it can't really be a joke then, can it? It must be sedition and racism...

  20. double standard? by AaronPSU777 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I do a GIS for "Laura Bush" on the very first page is a photoshopped picture of her naked. If I do a GIS for "George Bush" on the very first page is a picture of him eating a kitten, three pictures of him giving the finger, one picture making him look like a monkey, one picture making him look like some kind of ogre and one picture of a bush impersonator being spanked on his bare bottom. I think some are being overly sensitive here. Michelle Obama is an intelligent and successful woman, I think she can handle a corny picture on the internet.

    1. Re:double standard? by prograde · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Excellent points. What was the search phrase that used to lead to GWB's White House page..."ignorant asshole" or "incompetent moron" or something?

  21. Re:Special Treatment for Kenyan in the White House by HanzoSpam · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And the constitution is entirely about democracy

    Really? Show me where the word is mentioned. I'm sure it must be in there somewhere.

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  22. Re:Special Treatment for Kenyan in the White House by mike2R · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Looking at US politics from the outside, one thing I simply can't understand is this.

    African-Americans have established that expressing "racial pride" by voting on the basis of skin color is 100% acceptable. Neither the "Wall Street Journal" nor the "New York Times" complained about this racist behavior. Therefore, in future elections, please feel free to express your racial pride by voting on the basis of skin color. Feel free to vote for the non-Black candidates and against the Black candidates if you are not African-American. You need not defend your actions in any way. Voting on the basis of skin color is quite acceptable by today's moral standard.

    You have an entire group of people who were brought to the country as slaves and even after slavery was abolished were terribly discriminated against (eg kept under control by lynching) within living memory. Even after reform you still have serious discrimination going on into the present day.

    Then you act surprised that they vote as a block for one of their own to be head of state the first time they have a real chance! Seriously what the fuck did you expect? That isn't racism, its human nature.

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  23. Indeed BUT it is NOT a thing of the past by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2

    How many republicans are against Obama's plans because they don't believe in them and how many because he is black? Like the "you lie" outcry that has not been done to any white president, this case is still to sensitive.

    The movie "white man can't jump" could also have been titled "black men can't shoot without trying to look good even it means missing", a point made in the movie itself. Both are racial slurs and yet... there is a difference.

    In a movie, writers typically show a bad guy is truly evil by having him kill an unarmed woman who is totally defenseless. Yet in "Apocalypse Now" the "hero" does exactly this while he is not treated as truly evil by either the writers or the audience for the rest of the movie. Because asian women are not truly human perhaps? American-japaense were interred during WW2, American-Italian and American-german were not. There were no neutralized japanese civilian spies. There were PLENTY of neutralized german and italian spies. So why was the loyal group rounded up?

    Racism exist, and might never be truly eliminated. Until that it does, we need to be careful claiming that all should be treated equal when this isn't happening.

    I don't know if this was unique to holland but there was a racism awareness event that tried to show how stupid racism was by claiming blue-eyed people were less intelligent. Fake docu's showing blue-eyed people being rounded up and put in special accommodations where there lower intelligence could be accounted for. Why blue-eyed? Because bigger noses or dark skin would not be clearly as idiotic perhaps?

    Think about it for second. If you had to come up with such a campaign and select a body characteristic that was clearly not linked with someones social value yet obvious to everyone, what would you pick? I would stick with a white characteristic. Else people MIGHT just believe your campaign. Same as people believed Archie Bunker and the actor who played him were for real, while his character was supposed to be a parody and the actor was a well known anti-racist (just played a racist on tv and a movie)

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    1. Re:Indeed BUT it is NOT a thing of the past by ObitMan · · Score: 2

      i agree with everything you say except for the bit about Germans not being interred during WW2.
      It happened. though not on the scale of the Japanese folks.

      just google "german internment camps"

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  24. Re:Special Treatment for Kenyan in the White House by ztransform · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is morally reprehensible to vote racist.

    But, clearly, not reprehensible in the United States of America to campaign on a platform of your ethnicity as was evidenced in the last major presidential election?

    If you are a racist, then you cannot, by definition, be a democrat

    Clearly your definition of racism is different from mine. I view racism as any act that distinguishes somebody on their race. By that definition I would say nearly all democrats are "racist" as they use race as one of their election platforms (a truly non-racist party would not need to promote equality legislation that distinguishes race as a factor). Neither would they feel the need to denigrate anyone in opposition to their candidate as "morally reprehensible racists". The fact is that if both Republicans and Democrats put up candidates of identical race there would still be votes for both. It is clear that Democrats, therefore, are an extremely racist party by any definition.

    As a foreign viewer of the American presidential race I was astounded to the extent that self-promotion based on race was a factor.

  25. Re:Special Treatment for Kenyan in the White House by somersault · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That isn't racism, its human nature.

    Just because something is part of human nature, does not mean it's not racist.. in fact it's the natural human "us/them" mentality that causes racism, sports related violence, religious wars and all that good stuff :/ I suppose it also drives things like capitalism.

    Basically we are social animals, and need to feel we belong. On top of that, a lot of people like to believe that what they belong to is better than everything else.

    It will be nice when everyone can think of "us" as the whole of humanity. Until we as a species have a more natural enemy (whether real or imagined) than other humans, things will probably continue to suck.

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    which is totally what she said
  26. No, but racism is stupid by theolein · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Calling Michelle Obama a monkey is more offensive than calling George Bush a monkey because in her case it is because of her race, not because of her person. In Bush's case it is a personal insult because of certain people's perception of him, personally, being clumsy and lacking intelligence.

    There is a difference

    1. Re:No, but racism is stupid by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Calling Michelle Obama a monkey is more offensive than calling George Bush a monkey because in her case it is because of her race, not because of her person. In Bush's case it is a personal insult because of certain people's perception of him, personally, being clumsy and lacking intelligence.

      There is a difference

      The difference is in your mind. You are claiming she is some special case due to her race and needs special protection. You are saying the rules that applied to Bush don't apply to her because Bush was a big strong white man and she is something less than that.

      This woman you are talking about has likely archived more in her life than you ever well so why is it you believe she needs your protection from people making photo shop mash-ups out of her face?

  27. Re:Special Treatment for Kenyan in the White House by HanzoSpam · · Score: 2

    Are you actually arguing that the constitution is not about democracy? Seriously?

    Yes, dead seriously. Try reading it some time, because anyone who would say such an idiotic thing obviously hasn't.

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  28. oh boy, did they just screw up.... by night_flyer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We've heard the argument before: "we are just a search engine, we arent responsible for child porn, warez, illegal mp3s or anythign like that that show up in our results"... unless its a picture of Michelle Obama... If you can flush that you have proved you can flush the other things as well. So whats next?

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  29. If this isn't censorship and racist by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know what is Where was this response when the 'bush monkey' pictures were all the rage? Oh, that's right, he's white.

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    1. Re:If this isn't censorship and racist by night_flyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and not a democrat

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  30. Bing and Pixsy by michaelmalak · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Of the eight or so image search engines I tried with "michelle obama monkey", only bing.com and pixsy.com come up with the image.

    Just trying to be prepared for when Tiananmen happens in the U.S.

  31. Bush & Clinton Monkey, Bush as Hitler etc?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I presume this means that Google will be removing the images - or at least apologizing for the images - that show Bush and Clinton as a monkey (e.g. among others http://doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/8130george-w-bush-monkey-posters.jpg, http://www.buttmonkeycentral.com/album/Funny%20Stuff/images/90576096af1be680a4643139f000e6db_11439207240/image.jpg), Bush as hitler etc.

  32. Re:Special Treatment for Kenyan in the White House by mikkelm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It absolutely /is/ racism. It's /the/ definition of racism. Regardless of whether or not you consider it human nature.

  33. Someone explain this to me by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Someone please explain to me how this is in any way a "racial slur". As far as I can tell, it's a political statement, and people are pulling the race card because they don't want to see the first lady criticized.

    The other comments all suggest that a monkey is somehow a racial slur, but I have never, ever heard it as a racial slur before today, so if it has been one in the past, it sure hasn't been very common. So yeah, someone please explain to me on what grounds people are calling this a racial slur, because it isn't and never has been as far as I've ever been aware.

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    1. Re:Someone explain this to me by east+coast · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Monkey is a racial slur. As in porch monkey, for instance.

      But part of me knows where you're going. The monkey has long been a symbol of foolery or incompetence too. So when we see a commercial with a bunch of monkeys dressed in suits running around trashing a board room are we suppose to assume that they mean that Africans can't run a business or is it simply a joke against all corporate idiots at large?

      That's the real shame about the race card; you can't make an honest statement about another person or group of people without feeling that something can be taken out of context and used to make you look like a racist.

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    2. Re:Someone explain this to me by ljgshkg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I actually find it quite funny. There're lots of these human to animal (include monkey) translation images or simply modified images around. And we just look at it for fun. The image itself is probably not very respectful, but I don't see it as a racial thing. People in all race have been played by this before. Recent example is, I guess George Bush? lol Anyway. All these human right group, female right group, or racial critics etc. always like to make a big deal out of something that no other people take it seriously. The problem is often not in the events or images they critize. It's in their imagination.

  34. Re:Special Treatment for Kenyan in the White House by Broken+scope · · Score: 2, Informative

    I believe in Act:9-12 talks about where followers of Jesus were first called "Christians".

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  35. I don't get it... by naasking · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is Google trying to censor its results? Presumably results are returned in page rank order, and sticking their fingers into this mess is going to open up a whole can of censorship/regulation woes.

  36. Why is this offensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is this offensive? Because certain viewers attach a negative connotation to it? Give me a break. Ask my 6yo son what the image 'means' and he will just think it is funny. The only reason this is offensive is because the race baiters of the world in concert with the criminal liberal media continue to educate the uneducated that an image of a monkey is (more correctly was) racist - at one time. Get over it and quit propagating your own hate and blaming others for it.

    Politics aside, I am against Google altering search results for most any reason. If it is a result and relevant, display it.

    On the other side, if the site was using a clever google bomb to bait malware - then he!! yeah shut em down!

  37. Did Google acted likewise with George Bush? by viraltus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember that I saw some pics resebling former President Bush to a monkey, even in the New Yorker Magazine!... Any actions then?

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  38. Oh those double standards. by deacon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everyone knows you can only do tasteless jokes about a black woman or man when they are a conservative.

    Remember Condoleezza Rice?

    http://images.google.com/images?gbv=1&sa=1&q=condoleezza+rice+monkey&btnG=Search+images

    Remember Michael Steele?

    http://images.google.com/images?gbv=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=1&q=michael+steele+blackface&btnG=Search+images

  39. What colour? by Steeltoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Racism is in YOUR head. The people making this picture have been making it for ALL public figures, white or black.

    Maybe it's bad taste, not funny. But perhaps some people even find it funny. It's not racism though, that is only your projection (which if you read the article, but this is /. after all ;-), you wouldn't make this mistake.

    Racism dies the day you decide it isn't real (and you can still fight for equal rights and opportunities for ALL people in society).

    1. Re:What colour? by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. There are how many monkey pictures of Bush out there? I recall seeing one in a newspaper's politics section once, and no one even bats an eye. then one comes out about Michelle Obama and suddenly it's horribly offensive and racist. No, it's a joke, the same one that's been made about dozens of presidents and other important people before her. Somehow just because her skin contains more melatonin the joke is now horribly offensive.

      Come on people, at least be consistent. If comparing people to monkeys is horribly offensive then where were you when Bush was getting this treatment? Probably sitting at home laughing about it.

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    2. Re:What colour? by Myopic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not more offensive because of the melanin in her skin, it's more offensive because of the historical context of comparing members of her race to monkeys -- a context which does not apply to members of other races.

      I hope that clears it all up for you. I'm actually a little surprised that you weren't aware of the deep history of racist monkey/negro comparisons.

  40. miserable failure by tomhath · · Score: 2, Informative

    Google left the "miserable failure" link to Bush's official bio at whitehouse.gov intact for years. When Obama took office they realized the link pointed to the new president's bio. After years of it being okay to link to Bush the google bomb was disabled within a matter of days.

    This shouldn't come as a surprise considering Eric Schmidt is a big supporter of Obama.

    So don't be surprised now when a fake picture of Michelle Obama is taken down within days, but fake pictures of Sarah Palin still make the top of the list.

  41. Re:Special Treatment for Kenyan in the White House by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You have no idea what you're talking about.

    Racism: "a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others."
    "hatred or intolerance of another race or other races."

    Any discrimination based on differences in race (which is kind of a silly concept anyways IMHO) is racism. Period.

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  42. Re:Special Treatment for Kenyan in the White House by Reverberant · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But, clearly, not reprehensible in the United States of America to campaign on a platform of your ethnicity as was evidenced in the last major presidential election?

    [..]

    As a foreign viewer of the American presidential race I was astounded to the extent that self-promotion based on race was a factor.

    Examples? Obama did everything possible to downplay ethnicity during the campaign and only brought it up when opponents tried to use his race/ethnicity (usually vis-à-vis his associations) to make political hay. There's a reason why "post-racial" was such a buzzword here last year.

  43. Re:Special Treatment for Kenyan in the White House by iserlohn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A republic (in the modern sense) is just a state without a monarch as head of state. There is nothing special about a republic, and you can have perfectly democratic and/or representative monarchies (ie. monarchies with powers bound by a constitution such as Great Britain) with a high amount of liberty for most citizens, and yet have have quite oppressive republics with little liberty for most citizens.

    What the US constitution (and others like it) really espouses is Liberty. Liberty is closely tied to Rights and how Rights are structured as to permit an individual to do anything according to his will as long as it does not infringe on the Rights of others. This idea is also related to the "pursuit of happiness", but be aware that Liberty is not to maximise happiness, but to enable its pursuit.

    Britain, instead of rejecting the Monarchy, bound the Crown by setting up, using legal and political means, a structure (the unwritten constitution) that enabled representation for the aristocracy and gentry through Parliament. This was gradually expanded to universal suffrage in the 20th century and correspondingly the power of the Crown gradually contracted to the ceremonial role it plays today.

    The reason I point this out is because in your post, you seem to have some sort of implicit admiration for anarchy. This I feel is misguided. Order is important in a society as it establishes what is acceptable and what is not (and how this is enforced). This threshold, however, is dynamic and multi-dimensional and there are many factors at play in any given society.

    Without order and a power structure, society will break down, and new forms of authority will fill the power vacuum and the cycle repeats ad infinitum. Most humans need order, whether because of genetics, social conditioning or individual experience. They need a society that can give them the framework for security and production as these are linked directly to the most primal human instinct - survival.

    The nature of power (in the human sense) is neither good or evil, it is just the measure of adherence of the Many to the will of the Few. A fundamental idea of the US constitution is the "balance of power" which was actually heavily influenced by the ideas of a Frenchman (Montesquieu) who admired the British system of checks on the power of the Crown through a legal framework and a body of elected representatives.

    In short, the balance of power is not to limit the amount of power, yet that may be a side effect that brings many benefits; the essence of the idea is to prevent the corruption of power through institutional vigilance within government. As such, it is not about big government or small government, it is about good government.

  44. Re:Special Treatment for Kenyan in the White House by Myopic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    95% of black Americans always vote for the Democrat. 19 out of 20 black Americans voted for John Kerry. That's not a racial issue directly, it's more of a racial issue indirectly, because Dems like to make government programs that help black people. In that way, it is really a simple matter of voting for the policies out of self interest.

    Moreover, affinity groups always gravitate toward their own representatives: Catholics liked Kennedy; Jews like Liberman. Considering this, it's surprising that more blacks didn't vote for Obama; but also, it's hard to improve on a base of 95%.

    Finally, despite you being wrong about all your facts, I think you are right about your conclusion: you can vote for or against candidates any way you want, even for racial reasons. If your conscience says that black people are in some way bad, then you should not vote for black people. The grand effort of a liberal society should be to convince racists, bigots, haters, and the ignorant to change their ways; and if that's not possible, to convince their children to be different, and wait for the bigots to die. So as much as I hate to do it, I give you my personal blessing to continue voting your conscience, even as I vainly encourage you to stop being a bigot.