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LHC Knocked Out By Another Power Failure

known_ID writes "The Large Hadron Collider — the most puissant particle-punisher ever assembled by the human race — has suffered another major power failure, knocking not only the atom smasher itself but even its associated websites offline."

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  1. I'm writing this comment from 2017 by mantis2009 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The power outage was my idea. You're welcome.

    1. Re:I'm writing this comment from 2017 by Bombcar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Then why does your user name have 2009 in it?

    2. Re:I'm writing this comment from 2017 by cpu_fusion · · Score: 4, Funny

      We are unable to transmit through conscious neural interference. You are receiving this broadcast as a dream. We are transmitting from the year two zero one seven.

    3. Re:I'm writing this comment from 2017 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because his communication method is via Slashdot. He's creating a series of profiles, one for every year, that allow him to access and communicate with Slashdot in that time period. Duh.

    4. Re:I'm writing this comment from 2017 by amazeofdeath · · Score: 5, Funny

      Because there were 2008 mantises registered before him?

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    5. Re:I'm writing this comment from 2017 by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's the year he was born.

    6. Re:I'm writing this comment from 2017 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's the year he was born.

      Darned 8 year old think they know everything.

    7. Re:I'm writing this comment from 2017 by LordAndrewSama · · Score: 5, Funny

      Due to retroactive copyright legislation, the dream you were about to have has been blocked. Please pay £2500 to view this dream. Attempt to view this dream again and you will be prosecuted for premature copyright violation(Under article 554455456 of the DMCA(2017)).
      Your corporate overlord
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    8. Re:I'm writing this comment from 2017 by OakDragon · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's the year he was born.

      Darned 8 year old think they know everything.

      In 2017, they do!

    9. Re:I'm writing this comment from 2017 by MikeDirnt69 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ur saing that we can still kill him and save the Large Hadron Cheerleader?

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    10. Re:I'm writing this comment from 2017 by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ahem ... you insensitive clod.

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    11. Re:I'm writing this comment from 2017 by Ipeunipig · · Score: 2, Funny

      He must be new here!

    12. Re:I'm writing this comment from 2017 by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      One universe down, an infinite number to go!

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    13. Re:I'm writing this comment from 2017 by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Then why does your user name have 2009 in it?

      He had to register after he traveled back to 2009 because Slashdot ends in 2012, triggered by a server meltdown from flamewars over an article about debunking 2012 paranoia.
                 

  2. video of the event by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Luckily some other website managed to capture a video of the event from the webcam's: http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

    1. Re:video of the event by BeardedChimp · · Score: 3, Informative

      And yet no one gives it the credit it deserves. See b3ta for the newsletter it starred in. All hail b3ta (and this b3tan), forever spreading virals without acknowledgement.

  3. And once again, the world is safe by Abreu · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thanks to the efforts of nameless heroes, the evil LHC has been foiled again, ensuring the survival of earth...

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    1. Re:And once again, the world is safe by Bakkster · · Score: 2, Informative

      And Lead. Don't forget about ALICE.

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    2. Re:And once again, the world is safe by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well if that were the case, I am sure that you would be safe, as it is the Large Hardon Collider.

      Zing! Thank you, I'll be here all week.

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  4. Future doesn't want to be discovered? by vvaduva · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone remember this?

    1. Re:Future doesn't want to be discovered? by zippthorne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, but that was BS. Fact is, collisions of higher energies occur in the upper atmosphere with a much higher frequency than they will in the LHC, and have been for billions of years. The LHC iself is only expected to operate for a few tens of years by comparison.

      Hard science is hard. There is a lot that needs to go right for this to work, and any of apparently dozens upon dozens of things can make it hiccup. No spooky explanations necessary.

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    2. Re:Future doesn't want to be discovered? by oGMo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As far as I know, the major difference with the LHC is scale.

      I'm not a physicist or whatever sort of engineer one is to build a giant collider. However, this strikes me the same as saying "company X has 10 servers and they manage to keep them working fine, why does Google have problems? the only major difference is scale!" Well, yes, yes it is.

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    3. Re:Future doesn't want to be discovered? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fact is, collisions of higher energies occur in the upper atmosphere with a much higher frequency than they will in the LHC, and have been for billions of years.

      Well why don't they just build a cloud chamber up in the atmosphere then?

      Wow, that sounded a lot better in my head. :-) Never mind.

    4. Re:Future doesn't want to be discovered? by dido · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, extremely high-energy collisions, of the order of 100 million TeV, have been directly observed. Such events involve particles eight orders of magnitude more energetic than any produced by the LHC at its maximum design potential. The first such ultra-high energy event was observed at a cosmic ray observatory at New Mexico in 1962, and there have been a few since, but they are understandably rare. More information here. So no, I don't think there is any other explanation why the LHC appears to be getting hit by so many problems other than the fact that it is among the most complex devices ever built by humankind. Natural processes already make particles with vastly higher energies than the LHC could even dream of reaching, so if a planet-destroying event was possible at the levels of energy it can achieve, then we wouldn't be here to build the LHC to begin with.

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    5. Re:Future doesn't want to be discovered? by smoker2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I totally agree with your comment, but you didn't answer the question. The reason we have had to build the LHC is because we don't have control over observations. With the LHC, we can time it to the picosecond, and observe at the correct moment. With the cosmic rays, we have to watch 24/7/365 just to know it's happened at all. And then we can't reproduce it at will. This is science.

  5. Large Hardon Collider *ouch* by ExE122 · · Score: 4, Funny
    From the article:

    We ourselves find it hard not to suspect the involvement of some pan-dimensional police force, seeking to prevent humanity acquiring parallel-universe portal capability before we're ready to use it responsibly.

    I have devoted a large portion of my life to playing countless hours of Doom and Halflife, reading Kurt Vonnegut novels, and watching numerous reruns of Quantum Leap and Sliders... I think I'm "ready to use it"!

    Oh, wait... "responsibly"... hmm...

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  6. Huh? by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does Europe not produce competent electrical engineers? I mean, their plugs are so superior...

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    1. Re:Huh? by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Clearly their superior plugs have lead them to complacency.

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    2. Re:Huh? by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Funny

      At least they didn't measure the cable run in furlongs only to have the supplier deliver in bushels. Before the plug fell out of the wall.

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    3. Re:Huh? by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ever heard of Joseph Lucas, Prince of Darkness?

      That's why the Brits drink warm beer--Lucas makes the refrigerators!

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    4. Re:Huh? by Jesus_666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's those damn rebels. You construct one little device with the power to destroy a planet and immediately you have dozens of those little pissants insisting on doing "trench runs" and dropping explosives down any vent they can find. It's really annoying.

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  7. Minor inconvenience by Shrike82 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Since the title and summary are short on details, brace yourself, I read the article. From TFA:

    "Diesels cut in OK" noted the controllers, adding that the Meyrin site is now drawing limited grid power from an alternative connection via the Prevessin site. The boffins don't anticipate resuming operations until at least 12:00 local time today.

    So it was just a temporary glitch. Move along people, nothing to see here...

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    1. Re:Minor inconvenience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Move along people, nothing to see here...

      OMG, people from the future have vaporized the Large Hadron Collider?!

    2. Re:Minor inconvenience by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Funny

      > OMG, people from the future have vaporized the Large Hadron Collider?!

      Those bastards!

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    3. Re:Minor inconvenience by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Temporary or not, I still got paged and had to deal with it last night =(

  8. Re:Live Report by 2names · · Score: 5, Funny

    All the action around the LHC is getting pretty spooky...even from up close...

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  9. Re:What's that widget? by Shrike82 · · Score: 2, Funny

    You don't recognise it?! That's the Flux Capacitor! My God man, hand in your geek card immediately!

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  10. John Titor's fault by WormholeFiend · · Score: 3, Informative

    he needed a replacement miniature black hole for his suitcase-time-machine

  11. Looks like an insulator bushing... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 3, Informative

    which flashed over. They don't actually what the bushing is ATTACHED to, which could be almost anything. Such bushings are the standard terminal connections on HV switchgear such as transformers, capacitors, reclosers, etc. The bushing itself is most likely replaceable individually, though.

    Hopefully, it just flashed over from foreign debris (another baguette?), and did little damage except to itself. Such a flashover should have tripped upstream circuit breakers, resulting in the power outage.

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  12. Did we just slashdot the LHC? by DarthVain · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oops!

  13. Re:What's that widget? by damien_kane · · Score: 5, Funny

    Anyone know what that fried out component is in the picture on TFA?

    I'm pretty sure it's Amy Winehouse
    I could be wrong, though

  14. Re:Take it easy people ... by geekoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's the most complicated and precise piece of engineering ever created. Yeah, it's touchy.

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  15. Re:Live Report by allknowingfrog · · Score: 5, Funny

    On an engineering feat of this scale, you're bound to encounter some serious obstacles. If Windows 7 suffers a debilitating break-down every other week, will we assume the future is trying to prevent Microsoft from destroying the world? Well...maybe that's a bad example.

  16. Sabotage? by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 3, Funny

    I Can't Stand It I Know You Planned It
    I'ma' Set It Straight This Watergate
    I Can't Stand Rockin' When I'm In Here
    'Cause Your Crystal Bal Ain't So Crystal Clear
    So While You Sit Back And Wonder Why I Got This Fuckin' Thorn In My Side
    Oh My God It's A Mirage
    I'm Tellin' Y'all It's Sabotage

    So many people want the LHC to fail or stop so it won't "destroy the world, hur hur hur" so is it possible someone has been sabotaging it from the inside or even outside?

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  17. Re:HEY DOUCHE CMDRTACO -- atomsmasher IS NOT A WOR by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who cares, dude? Shakespeare made up hundreds of words. English is a living language -- if people weren't allowed to make up words we would have nothing to call that machine you are using to post this inane crap, nor for the medium by which we are all disgraced by your brain vomit.

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  18. Alew by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Say snotty engineers that cant do shit right

    Hey, the damage was on a surface electricity line. Which was most likely installed by the power company running that part of the grid. I am sure no scientist bothered to work on it.

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  19. What do you want, a medal? by snowwrestler · · Score: 4, Funny
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    1. Re:What do you want, a medal? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's the most plausible explanation I've read yet for why Obama got the Nobel Peace Price, and it manages to maintain the prize's legitimacy! (such that it has)

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  20. Re:Take it easy people ... by ultramk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...Yes, it cost $6b.

    To put this in perspective, the Bradley Fighting Vehicle program cost $5.6b, and the resulting machine sucks.

    Which is the bigger waste?

    M-

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  21. Janitorial services revealed as the culprit by motherjoe · · Score: 2, Funny

    This just in.... LHC had an abrupt power failure.

    Our field reporter at CERN is providing his update..... "Well at first we thought we had yet another problem with the LHC." reports a source who wishes to be anonymous. "Well, we are now pretty sure it was just Ed. Ed comes in on Wednesdays to clean up in the Lab. Soon as he plugged in that damn hoover all the breakers tripped."

    So there you have it, a hoover and $39.95 breaker brought it all the a halt today. :)

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  22. Is this a good thing to happen now? by halcyon1234 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have to wonder, is it better that these glitches and outages are happening now rather than later?

    What would happen if the LHC gets up to full capacity, THEN has a system-killing power outage? Does the LHC shut down gracefully, or could it be a disaster waiting to happen?

    1. Re:Is this a good thing to happen now? by Werthless5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are countless backup generators and numerous failsafes that will safely redirect the beam into one of the many beam dumps, which are basically big blocks of concrete.

      The worst that can happen: all of the failsafes fail, backup generators fail, and the LHC damages itself, requiring several years of repairs. That's the biggest disaster that the LHC could possibly ever produce. Keep in mind, it's already 100 meters underground, a length through which the particle beam couldn't penetrate even if it somehow scattered straight upward.

  23. OMG! It's true!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just tried to create a particle accelerator in my garage out of some Pringles cans and duct tape, and I totally failed to create a Higgs boson. Stupid Higgs boson sent a ripple back in time to make sure my Pringles-can collider failed.

  24. Re:engineers vs. scientists by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Academics don't even see failure like this as a bad thing

    That's just not true. An experiment that provides data is never a failure. An experiment that does not provide data due to technical problems is a failure. It's a waste of time and resources, scientists hate that.

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  25. Re:HEY DOUCHE CMDRTACO -- atomsmasher IS NOT A WOR by melikamp · · Score: 2, Funny

    ?Yambe sit-a-jast fo tammer casle

  26. Re:HEY DOUCHE CMDRTACO -- atomsmasher IS NOT A WOR by neoform · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Careful now, that line of thinking is how we ended up with words like:
    • Proactive
    • Closure
    • Leveraging
    • Paradigm
    • Streamline
    • Metrics
    • Ballmer
    • Mindshare
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  27. Here's a solution for the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why don't the scientists modify the phase variance or reverse the polarity? It seems to work every time something goes wrong in Star Trek......

  28. Douglas Adams knows why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    "There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

    There is another theory which states that this has already happened."

  29. Re:The sign of the failure of particle physics by Meumeu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, it's worse than that -- many of the structural elements are made of steel, smelted, cast, and machined using processes that go back even further than Diesel.

    OMG y dont we kill these jiants insted of stand on there sholdiers!

    If you think that's bad, the guys using the LHC are Homo Sapiens. That's like 200000 years old, it should be run by iPhones, or something...

  30. Re:What's that widget? by Etrias · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, then we should be able to reverse the polarity of the neutron flow and get this thing back up and running in a jiffy.

  31. Re:engineers vs. scientists by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, because I'm sure no engineers worked on the LHC. The whole thing was built by a bunch of theoretical physicists. ::rollseyes::

  32. Re:engineers vs. scientists by smolloy · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's not quite true.

    Experimental accelerator physicists (not particle physicists) will come up with a conceptual design for the machine that fits the particle physicists requirements, and they will then work with engineers to design and build it.

    Most of the designing and building is done by properly qualified engineers, not scientists.

  33. Re:From the article by bucky0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, it's not. There is a ton of things out there, even in the furthest, most desolate parts of space. The cosmic microwave background is about 2.75K and is pervasive throughout the universe, for instance.

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  34. Re:HEY DOUCHE CMDRTACO -- atomsmasher IS NOT A WOR by Spazztastic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Careful now, that line of thinking is how we ended up with words like:

    • Ballmer

    Hey hey... no need for profanity.

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  35. Re:HEY DOUCHE CMDRTACO -- atomsmasher IS NOT A WOR by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 4, Funny

    By leveraging our mindshare in a proactive, streamlined manner we have been able to shift the paradigm of the English language, allowing for closure for hyper-conservative linguists. Ballmer metrics.

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  36. Compared to Fermilab? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Before you make a comment like that you should compare the LHC performance to the restart of the Tevatron at Fermilab (and this was a restart not a new accelerator!). Having been there when it was happening the number of power cuts was far in excess of what the LHC has experienced so far. Indeed at one point the power cut out about twice a week which was far more of a problem for the Tevatron since it took almost a day to make enough antiprotons.

  37. what's wrong with these guys? by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    i mean, how hard can it be to run a large hadron collider anyways? like changing the oil in your car! sheesh

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