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Israeli Knesset Approves Biometric Database Law

Lord Duran writes "The Israeli Knesset approved a bill that will require every Israeli citizen to submit a visual scan of their face and a biometric scan of their fingerprints to a national database. I, for one, fail to see how this is anything but evil. TFA mentions the Israeli census was breached — I'd like to point out, for comparison, that it's still freely available on your peer-to-peer file sharing network of choice."

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  1. Good quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    FTA: "...that the system would be kept as confidential as any banking website"

    Why does that not make me feel better about this?

  2. How do you change your password? by harl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Same problem with all biometrics.

    What happens when the system is compromised? How do I change my password?

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    1. Re:How do you change your password? by NoYob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Same problem with all biometrics.

      What happens when the system is compromised? How do I change my password?

      Or worse, what if Osama Bin Laden (or any other terorist) get's to insert his bio information into an Israeli citizen's profile? Now, Bin Laden has a valid Bio-Informatic ID in Israel. If he shaved off his beard, I couldn't tell him apart. It's been years since I've seen a photo of him. He'd get away with being Bernie Horowitz.

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  3. Every ID card? by TheMeuge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is a "biometric visual scan of their face"? A photograph?

    Every country does that. It's called an ID card. As far as fingerprints, I've had to submit my fingerprints like 10 times for various services, clearances, not to mention immigration documents.

    This isn't really news. Even if it's a 3D laser-scan, that's really not different from a photograph nowadays.

    As much as it bothers me to have centralized databases of ANYTHING, if there is anything that needs a centralized database, it's identification. I'm a privacy freak and I am not sure that this bothers me, especially in the context of a country that can claim the dubious honor of being the most likely terrorist target in the industrialized world.

    1. Re:Every ID card? by ovanklot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What is a "biometric visual scan of their face"? A photograph?

      It is the mathematical function that identifies your facial features as your own to a very high degree of probability.

      Every country does that. It's called an ID card. As far as fingerprints, I've had to submit my fingerprints like 10 times for various services, clearances, not to mention immigration documents.

      Your fingerprints are not in one big database that can be hacked (as others have been hacked before) along with the rest of your entire country. If you've given your fingerprints 10 times, I hope you're sure you gave them to people who can keep them a secret. You can't really change them later.

      As much as it bothers me to have centralized databases of ANYTHING, if there is anything that needs a centralized database, it's identification. I'm a privacy freak and I am not sure that this bothers me, especially in the context of a country that can claim the dubious honor of being the most likely terrorist target in the industrialized world.

      Think of someone using this database, along with live CCTV footage from a railway station (say, a public online webcam), singling out the Israelis in the crowd. When they see a large group of Israelis coming by, a suicide bomber comes along and explodes next to them. You don't have to be a privacy freak to shudder at that thought.

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    2. Re:Every ID card? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hi, I'm also an Israeli.

      This law is "risky, superfluous, and expensive" and your apathy (and the apathy of all others with the same "don't care" attitude around you) saddens me deeply.

      The argument Israel never regarded my personal information with care, so who cares if I give it some more to play around with carelessly is a really stupid argument. The premise of that argument should lead you to the opposite conclusion. You should worry more when such a careless regime asks for more power from the citizens instead of passing laws that limit such malpractices.

      Did I just say that the "regime asks" for more power? I just made myself laugh. The issue of the ID cards and the central biometric database were never openly on the table, were never debated in any elections and the only coverage in the media was in small Sci/Tech sections for geeks and nerds. Most of the paragraphs in the law were voted for "unanimously" by one person (Meir Sheetrit) who managed and supervised the comity as a self pleasing theater.

      Your apathy (and the apathy of those like you) is not a reasonable response to the situation in Israel in any way or form. On the contrary. There are many dangers to the state of Israel, and the outside threats are negligible compared to what the 120 idiots in the Knesset are doing to our democracy for the last decade.

      We have the "big brother" digital wiretapping laws (police wire tapping without the need for a court order).
      We have the laws that allow the police to receive personal information from wireless/cellphone providers/ISPS. These laws allow the police to maintain self regulated databases with that information (again, with no supervision and no need for court orders that limit access to these databases).
      We had more than one proposals of internet censorships and government firewalls (which are currently postponed, but my guess is that it will not be for a very long time. They will be back on the table in no time).
      We have the IDF that collects and stores information on all recruits (most of the Jewish citizens) - from psychological evaluations and intelligence tests to health status and biometric info.
      Now we have the biometric law and a government that is starting to talk about adding a nationalized ISP that will compete with the two major ones in the private sector.

      The conflict is not a separate issue at all. Presto above hit the nail right on the head on that one. There are many historical and political causes to the on going conflict, but the conflict is indeed used cynically by politicians and power groups on both sides of the conflict on the expanse of the populace rights and comfort. The Israeli politicians do indeed use the magic word "security" in order to gain more power over the citizens with an alarming rate in the last few years. The biometric law that just got passed is only one link in the long chain of insane "big brother" laws that got passed here recently.

      You don't worry about the thief in your backyard, but you really should be. Especially because your house is not really on fire as much as the politicians want you to think. They really really enjoy you being so apathetic like that.

  4. Re:It's Israel by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While their actions and policies towards the Palestinians are pretty heinous, you can't just paint the whole society as evil. They have developed a verymodern society in the midst of their enemies and excel at many fields of science and literature.

    You can blame the Jews for persecuting the Palestinians, but you can't say that everything they do is evil.

  5. Godwin's Law? by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a bit of irony here because a little man in Germany fifty years ago did something very similar in categorizing and identifying Jews. It was not benign.

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  6. Re:It's Israel by rand0mbits · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You call them terrorists, they call them freedom fighters. It's a matter of perspective. Get some.

    I think you're a bit confused. There is nothing stopping a person from being a freedom fighter and a terrorist at the same time. The first term refers to why they're doing what they're doing. The second refers to how they do it. So while Hamas may (it's rather questionable. but so are many other things) be fighting for freedom, how they do it (purposefully targeting, attacking and executing unarmed civilians) makes them terrorists.

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  7. Re:It's Israel by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought about him a while back in my Jewish studies class (online gen-eds, gotta love 'em). There was a part dealing with antisemitism, about how it has evolved to into anti-Israeli sentiment to cover it's ass, so to speak, by taking the guise of a reasonable argument against a nation's policies, not pure racist hatred, because clearly there are two types of anti-Israel sentiment: reasonable and racist. Imagine if black people only made up a small enough percent of the population that 40% could live in one small area. Do you think the KKK and the neo-nazi skinheads would criticize that nation's policies, regardless? You know they would, and publicly, they'd do it under the guise of 'criticizing policy' but really, it would be racism. We all know it would be. Israel is the same way. Take a race that has historically been hated and but them in their own little country, guess what the racists say about it? Only now, they have a mask for their racism, they can claim that they're anti-Israel, not the antisemitic Jew hating racists that they really are.

    I don't think criticism of Israel is all without merit. Yes, some of it is insane, like when people say the Israelis are monsters for defending themselves from terrorists who want to kill as many Israeli citizens as possible, but Israeli policy has, at times, not helped things, and that is worth criticizing. Israel has done, and does do, bad things. One of my Arabic professors presented very reasonable criticisms of Israel. Problem is, there's enough blame to go around when Israel's neighbors are supporting a group that launches rockets at Israeli civilians while hiding behind other civilians and using them as shields, so it is hardly unreasonable when Israel takes the precautionary principle, and a degree of overreaction on their part is sadly justified.

    But I agree with you all the way, you're wasting your time if you argue with douchebag. I saw a bumper sticker the other day that read 'Hate is the ONLY enemy.' People like him, they hate. They are part of the problem. Israelis are not the enemy, Palestinians are not the enemy, Arabs are not the enemy, Iranians are not the enemy. People who hate are the enemy. There is so much antisemitism and islamophobia in that region and around the world trying to make itself look reasonable, it's disgusting. There's plenty about Israel you can debate, but not with an antisemite who thinks the Israeli people are evil and that a country were people are born and die and make their homes and lives shouldn't even have the right to exist.

    Not everyone wants peace. They are the problem. They are the evil ones.

  8. Re:It's Israel by binary+paladin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    War is just terrorism with a bigger budget. (And better political spin.)

    You call them unarmed civilians, we call them "collateral damage."