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Russia Confirms Failed Missile Launch Caused Norway's Light Show
Ch_Omega writes "According to this article over at BarentsObserver, the giant spiral seen on the sky over Norway Wednesday morning local time has been confirmed to be the result of a failed Russian missile launch. Russia now confirms that '...the missile was launched from submerged position in the White Sea by the nuclear submarine Dmitri Donskoy. Studies of the telemetric data from the launch show that the two first stages of the missile functioned as they should, and that a technical malfunctioning occurred during the third stage.' There is also an article on this at The Daily Mail."
And all this time I seriously thought that it was some unimaginably interesting plot all about a russian missile program, underwater subs and secrecy beyond everyone's wildest imagination. Wait... what?
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There was once a time that Russia would have just kept schtum. How many UFO reports are due to similar failed firings prior to the end of the Cold War?
So where was the missile supposed to go?
Just a test run and then crash into the sea?
This seems odd to me that Russia has so much open coastline to test something like this, yet they choose to do it at the very edge by another country. Is there a logistical reason for this?
At first Russia denied it, and then I knew it was true. But now that they've confirmed it, maybe there's more going on here than meets the eye...
So happy not to be living in the cold war. Today, I like to think it's harder for fictional missiles to start WW3. Fewer false positives. Of course, here the missile was actually launched...
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The failed missile launch is just a cover story. I mean, if we're going to believe extraterrestrials are behind it, why should we let silly things like facts spoil the fun?
But at least it's a more entertaining story than "It was a weather balloon."
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That was no danged failed launch of a missile. Has anyone seen the images? This reply by the Russians is a coverup. This event was far, far bigger in scope and influence. This event was viewed by people, there was no mention of a rocket or a missile, besides how could a device like a missile scribe a path in the sky like that, and then break off with a blue spiral? Ugh. These people must think we are so stupid. This is a spiritual event, not a rocket event. blackcrow.
Given the out of control spiral pattern maybe Vodka wasn't the best choice for rocket fuel even if it was greener.
This is a really cool new kind of fireworks. I've never seen one do this before.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
...Like in 1986 when it took radiation alarms going off in fucking SWEDEN before they admitted that they had literally nuked a city or two...
Looks familiar.
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Thye can even launch aircrafts from underwater aircraft carriers. When youtube asks you to confirm that you have a TOP SECRET security rating, you must answer yes to see video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clIUY0U0xAU
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Maybe they want to create a weapon that hypnotizes you. And once you are hypnotized they recruit you hahaha
Russia? I doubt it. I bet Elon Musk was just trying to launch another bottle rocket again. Keep pumping air Elon! You'll eventually get enough pressure into that coke bottle!
Imagine though how freaked out one would be walking outside and suddenly seeing a giant spinning spiral with a sci-fi-ish blue trail passing through the middle. Based on the youtube vids I saw, one could actually perceive the spinning motion.
And double freaked out if walking out of a movie theater after seeing a scary movie. That's just one goddam weird pattern.
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There is indeed a great deal going on which we cannot see, but this event didn't fit the patterns of any previous UFO/energetic phenomenon I've seen or read about. It did, however, fit the pattern of a rocket launch gone wrong. Watch the videos on the original news site again. I think the spectacular photographs were not accurately reporting the event as it would have been eye-witnessed. They looked like long exposures to me, and probably were in order to get that level of light. A spinning firework would create much the same effect with the correct camera settings.
Anyway, if you want to consider the subconscious meta-game going on here, remember, this is Slashdot. Such an obvious UFO story like this simply doesn't get exposure here unless the outcome is already instinctively recognized in advance to be mundane. That's how it works. People like you go off half-cocked and look/sound nuts, thus further reinforcing fear in the Muggles of exploring the unknown.
Just another, "Fake Moon Landing", I'm afraid.
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"Missile launch" is just a coverup.
Norway's version of "It was just a weather balloon".
Russia's just launching missiles from nuclear subs, that's all.
While reading through suprisingly ignorant comments on _new_ tech of launching an ICMB from submerged position (this is slashdot, we are all supposed to be armchair warriors with underdeveloped muscle tissue and oversized brains filled with data on weaponry we would never, ever see unless its on youtube) and replies of ppl putting the record straight I just want to add this little nugget of information here:
In 199something (don't remember, but it was a crappy year in Russia - lost of bad news, the story got lost and resurfaced only in 2002 I think) Russian submarine has successfully launched ITS ENTIRE PAYLOAD in quick succession (as in several seconds between missiles) from submerged position - quite a feat of technology as well as personel training, since when launching more than one ICBM in quick succession one must take into account subs' weight change after the first missile leaves (it begins to surface), uneven wight distribution as pumps begin to fill ballast tanks with water to compensate just when the second missile fires, actual RECOIL begins to matter too - it's not much of a problem when you fire just once, but it becomes one if the sub's being shaken just as another missile is attmepting its launch..
So all in all - ICBMS from under water = old news.
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Wheres the beloved monolithic wall of paranoid state security? The day after the event and they're all "sorry guys, we screwed up one of our missile tests. Here are the details."
Unless its all a cunning Russkie ruse...
If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we shoot people for Apollo-related non-sequiturs?
The launch history of the Bulava is discussed here. It's worked a few times, but they've been having failures in minor components like explosive bolts. That indicates quality control problems in the supply chain, not design problems.
It's hard to restart an entire high-tech supply chain when there hasn't been any demand for years. The US lost the ability to build nuclear weapons for over a decade.
No this was really a wormhole opened by the AI at the LHC that became self aware milliseconds before the the planet was destroyed by the same black hole that made the LHC's computer systems become self aware.
With this Mia culpa Russia has saved a lot of time for all the UFO hunters & conspirators. Lets all return to the regular scheduled programming of US Health Care reform debate.
It's quite obvious when given some thought. Consider the following:
You are at a party relaxing and enjoying yourself. At some point you lose track of your surroundings and time. When you come to, you remember being junk-kicked in your man business some 180 times. You're pretty sure in was someone you met at the party by the name of Ivan Jnkkckr. After a bit of investigative work you track down Ivan's number from another guest that attended the party. Ivan denies junk-kicking you in your man business.
After further investigation and conversations with other party attendees, you come into possession of some cellphone video. The videos show quite Ivan's foot spinning in a spiral pattern while junk-kicking you in your man business some 180 times. You confront Ivan Jnkkckr with multiple videos showing from multiple angles the relentless assault on your now decimated nuts. Ivan then promply admits that he spiral junk-kicked your nuts.
Obviously Ivan knew he had junk-kicked your man business; he just needed the video evidence to compel him to come clean.
The Daily Mail ? That bastion of truth ?
It was quite a good summary until that link got added; to what ? Improve the quality ? This isn't Wikipedia you know. And no, I'm not new here.
Sure, that's what the Government and their Illuminati masters want you to believe. So you're wearing roughly a metallic hemisphere on your head, right? Sure, it reflects mind control rays coming from upwards and back, but what about rays coming from the front, hmm? Right, those get reflected and focused, like by a telescope mirror, inside your brain. And do you think that the proliferation of WiFi hotspots and police radars and whatnot at ground level is just a coincidence? Hmm? Wake up, people! ;)
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Clancy, for one; it's fiction, but he tends to do his research pretty well. When SAC-NORAD sees a heat bloom they verify that there's no launch scheduled before going crazy. The West Wing suggests it gets tricky when unofficial nuclear powers like Israel launch nukes, and IIRC also says that the US checks scheduled launches that other nuclear powers notify them of before launching. (I saw it in popular culture, so it must be true. :))
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This doesn't work so easily on a smaller scale.
The reason it works for the rocket in question is because it's rather big, has lots of propellant, which it ejects at a fairly high velocity relative to its rate of rotation (spinning), which coupled with the fact that it's rather high up allows for a large vapor trail.
If you compare that to existing consumer glass fireworks which -does- have spinners.. and I'll link to a little home-made thing (don't try this at home, etc.)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7WSEmXA6s4 ...then you'll see that the effect extinguishes very quickly and you never really see much of a spiral.
You would essentially have to 1. replace the little fountain with a smoke bomb instead and 2. get that smoke to be ejected quickly (perhaps through a nozzle).
Unfortunately, that doesn't get rid of the scale of turbulence in air and - if performed outside - wind etc. which will affect these small scale effects much more than that of the rocket.
In short... I don't think it can be done at a small scale while keeping the effect. You *might* be able to get it reasonably going with non-consumer class fireworks. But I'll leave that for the chaps at freakpyromaniacs.com and such to figure out.
I wonder how much lives, energy and money these weapons that we should never use has cost us.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
And here I thought The Final Countdown movie was going to be real life!
There are no loopholes. It's either legal or it's not.
at first after world war 2 there was an idealism in the air that marxism/ communism would result in cooperation between russia and china. but this quickly fell victim to the usual imperialistic instincts of such vast empires. there were massive military buildups along the chinese-russian border, over stupid petty disagreements like tiny useless islands in the amur river (border between russia and manchuria). american intelligence got wind of this and sensed an opportunity: the tension between russia and china was one of the reasons nixon's about face on china and sudden seeking of warm relations with china at the time made so much strategic sense: drive a wedge between powerful enemies of the usa
so when vietnam aligned itself with russia, it was sort of china's version of the united states' experience with cuba: a tiny southern country right on its border having the audacity to fall the influence of a powerful enemy. in fact, after the vietnam war, china had its own version of the bay of pigs (on a much larger scale): china and vietnam went to war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
100,000 vietnamese civilians were killed by the chinese in that 1979-1980 war. but the chinese lost this war badly, and chinese propaganda has pretty much covered the whole event up and erased the war from chinese history books. because it was embarrassing how badly china lost. to this day, chinese veterans of that war are officially shunned and denied benefits or even recognition
you have to admire the vietnamese: they kicked out a major colonial power, the french. then they took on a world superpower, the americans. and finished it off by repulsing the regional power, china. in one long sustained 30-40 year very bloody struggle, the vietnamese kicked everyone's asses
vietnam deserves much respect, they have suffered heavily for their rightful independence
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Why did this story get tagged 'hatemail'?
for this. Why didja think they did it over Scandinavia.
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I looked at the pattern of the circular design made by the stray so called missile, and don't buy it for a second.
The spiral pattern is to perfect (more like a trace lining of light sent out from something....) as a stray missile would have
deviance in its pattern, and there was none in the pattern we saw in the sky, it was way to perfect for it to be a stray missile.
I vote on UFO, or maybe a flashlight behind a cloud shining through a design of a circular nature.
The Russians have produced the most stunning fireworks display I've seen in 20 years. If they can reproduce it and commercialize it they may be able to compete with the Chinese. Forget about ICBMs: the money's in fireworks.
if people were firing land based subs.
The spiral started off with a green ray of light, then the spiral around where the ray pointed in the sky. There's also a very big beam of white light pointing from the ground/water up into the spiral for the duration. How does the missile explain these light beams?
And how doe every photo of the formation, from all kinds of different angles, all see the same spiral that the 3D twisting project into to the observer? Someone watching on-axis would see that perfect spiral, but not all the observers at all the angles.
Until those other pieces of actual evidence seen by many people and appearing in many photos and videos are explained, I don't believe it's a missile. And since the Russians have said it's a missile, compromising a secret military test to do so, what happened that also explains the Russians saying that, especially if it's not a missile?
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Don't worry, its just the Russians in the fight to stop Global Warm...erm Climate Change.
Given how it blanketed the sky, I'd expect it is some sort of anti-missile/anti-aircraft defense component. Possibly related to stealth technology detection. Keep in mind the Russians have been making a nice chunk of change from helping Iran build nuclear plants and defend them. This would be the ideal time for the Russians to point out to the West, through a highly visible demonstration like this, that there may be some surprises in store for an attack on Iran.
My 2 cents.
Was the missile launch Russia's celebration of the Nobel Awards going on this week?
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Just watch the pretty lights, you are getting sleepy comrade, verry sleepy
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Quite the contrary. It just brings the Russian navy in on the conspiracy.
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...and here i was hoping that we'd come across something truly unknown to us. Oh well, back to the dreaming board.
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The contrail was blue because of Rayleigh scattering. Same reason the sky is blue. The white spiral was going too fast for an "atmospheric anomaly" because it was outside the atmosphere.
Just a quick note: You try living in the middle of nowhere in Iowa where the roads are poorly plowed if they are plowed at all, and drive anything except a 4WD SUV or truck. You can join the rest of the people in the ditches on the side of the road.