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Nanotech Ink Turns Paper Into a Low-Cost Battery

jangel writes "Stanford University researchers have demonstrated a way to turn ordinary paper into a battery, which may be crumpled or pressed into any form. It's said the technology promises greater durability, higher efficiency, and faster energy transfer than traditional batteries. The technique uses special ink made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires. Thanks to the small diameters of these materials, the ink sticks strongly to the fibrous paper, allowing the battery to be extremely durable. The paper battery could last through 40,000 charge-discharge cycles — at least an order of magnitude more than lithium batteries. According to the researchers, the paper batteries will be low-cost, may be crumpled or folded, and can even be soaked in acidic or basic solutions, yet their performance does not degrade. 'We just haven't tested what happens when you burn it,' one of the researchers quipped." This is the same Stanford research team, lead by Yi Cui, whose work with nanotechnology for battery applications we have discussed before. We've also delved into alternate routes to the holy grail of the ultra-thin battery.

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  1. Very cool by Bobnova · · Score: 1

    I want some, especially if they have a decent capacity.

    1. Re:Very cool by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't think Yi Cui is a traditional WASP name.

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    2. Re:Very cool by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Funny

      But blacks have huge penises.

      That may not matter to you, but it matters to your ex-girlfriend who left you for the power-forward of her college basketball team. When a man has a huge penis, none of what you wrote matters to the women he is seeing.

      The puny white man is nothing compared to the prime specimens of humanity. Blacks were bred since the slave days to be bigger, faster, stronger, and more desirable from an evolutionary standpoint.

      Women don't want to hear your babbling about Leonhard Euler or atmospheric wave propagation. They want big, strong, manly men who speak slowly and in deep voices, using as few words as possible.

      In the end, his genes will be passed down to the mulatto baby. Not yours, his.

    3. Re:Very cool by FishTankX · · Score: 1

      And I suppose gunpowder, papermaking, woodblock printing and movable type printing, the early lodestone and needle compass, gunpowder, toilet paper, early seismological detectors, matches, pound locks, the double-action piston pump, blast furnace and cast iron, the iron plough, the multi-tube seed drill, the suspension bridge, natural gas as fuel, the differential gear, the hydraulic-powered trip hammer, the mechanical chain drive, the mechanical belt drive, the raised-relief map, the propeller, the crossbow, the cannon, the rocket, and the multistage rocket were all invented by white people too? Ancient China had everyone beat technology at one point. They just lost their edge when they stopped expanding. But to assume that white people were the originators of all technology is clearly false, as numerous examples around the world demonstrate that other civilizations often had inventions hundreds if not a thousand years before the west. A good example of this is the Chinese who, according to Wikipedia under the Chinese inventions section, managed to isolate testosterone and estrogen from urine and successfully use them to treat hormonal disorders around 1150! This would not be reinvented in the west until sometime in the mid-late 19th century.

    4. Re:Very cool by Nutria · · Score: 1

      a couple of centuries of wars and european (and, post-WW2, american) imperialism fucked up their culture and sent them into their version of the Dark Ages

      Bullshit.

      The Mongol invasion of the 13th century severely beat down the Muslims, burned many libraries and pilloried
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_in_medieval_Islam#Decline

      The Mongols destroyed Muslim libraries, observatories, hospitals, and universities, culminating in the destruction of Baghdad, the Abbasid capital and intellectual centre, in 1258, which is traditionally believed to have marked an end to the Islamic Golden Age.

      Europeans carting off (as opposed to destroying, which is what the Mongols did) libraries and technologies during the Crusades, and Sunni/Shia conflict and power politics hurt just as much.

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    5. Re:Very cool by Nutria · · Score: 1

      They just lost their edge when they stopped expanding.

      Just as the West has lost it's edge because it's not expanding anymore.

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    6. Re:Very cool by FishTankX · · Score: 1

      Okay, maybe I should rephrase that. China lost it's edge because it sealed itself in and was content to exist as a diplomatic shut-in.

    7. Re:Very cool by cas2000 · · Score: 1

      how does the fact they were invaded by the mongols prior to the europeans make the european imperialism "bullshit?"

      it's not either/or - both those things happened. one does not invalidate or make impossible the other. quite the opposite, in fact...the mongol invasion weakened the arabic/islamic empires and made the later european invasions possible.

      or, to put it another way, the point of kicking someone when they're down is to make sure they don't get back up again.

    8. Re:Very cool by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Your original quote was a couple of centuries of wars and european (and, post-WW2, american) imperialism fucked up their culture and sent them into their version of the Dark Ages

      1. The Mongol invasions were 800 years ago, and the Crusades 900-1000 years ago.
      2. The Europeans were in an almost-constant state of war for a millenia, yet still somehow managed a Renaissance, Enlightenment and Scientific Revolution.
      3. Up until 90 years ago, most of the Islamic world was controlled by Ottoman Turkey, not Europe.
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    9. Re:Very cool by memco · · Score: 1

      Ricky Bobby: We? No, we are not French. We're American, because you're in America, okay? Greatest country on the planet
      Jean Girard: Well, what have you given the world apart from George Bush, Cheerios, and the ThighMaster?
      Ricky Bobby: Chinese food?
      Cal Naughton, Jr.: Chinese food.
      Jean Girard: That's from China.
      Ricky Bobby: Pizza.
      Jean Girard: Italy.
      Cal Naughton, Jr.: Chimichanga.
      Jean Girard: Mexico.
      Ricky Bobby: Really, smarty-pants? What did French land give us?
      Jean Girard: We invented democracy, existentialism, and the Ménage à Trois.
      Cal Naughton, Jr.: Those are three pretty good things.

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  2. Nice, but... by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Interesting
    What's the power density? If you need a dozen phonebooks worth of paper to store 100wH, never mind...

    What's the ink made of? Oil? If so: never mind.

    How fast an you charge it without it bursting into flames?

    If it can charge faster and has equal power density to LiON batteries, and the ink isn't made out of oil, and the entire thing can be built outside of a petroleum context, I think we might have a winner...

    RS

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    1. Re:Nice, but... by Eternauta3k · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's the ink made of? Oil?

      Baby seals

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    2. Re:Nice, but... by amRadioHed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The story isn't entirely clear, but it does say "the technique uses special ink made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires". Based on that I would guess the ink may be made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires.

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    3. Re:Nice, but... by daveime · · Score: 1

      Don't be a fool ...

      Apparently we've got an excess of CO2 lying around at the moment. Can't we just grab the Carbon out of that ? And the spare Oxygen we release means we won't need so many trees anyway, freeing up valuable land for growing McDonalds beefburgers-on-legs.
       

    4. Re:Nice, but... by Goldsmith · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ok, now you're just making stuff up.

      Who makes nanotubes out of petroleum? I've worked with carbon nanotubes for almost a decade and never heard of anyone seriously doing that. Sure, you can make them from whatever carbon you want, but it's easiest to make them from ethanol. Are we going to char the forests to get that? If you can generate ethanol economically from forests, then you need to tell someone. Is the electricity used to make the nanotubes from petroleum? Maybe, maybe not. The nice thing about electricity is that it doesn't matter how you make it, it works the same. So you can hook Slashdot commenters up to giant hampster wheels to drive your generators if you need to.

      The kids doing this research probably come from farms in rural China, are paid probably 1/3 of what you make and are treated like shit (no probably about that). Yet they're at least trying to solve the big problems in the world. To them, you are Joe Palooka... but for some reason they think the world is worth saving.

    5. Re:Nice, but... by sowth · · Score: 1

      All we need to do is mine the asteroids. Get on it NASA!

    6. Re:Nice, but... by dlt074 · · Score: 1

      at least you are applying logic and thought to the situation at hand.

      unlike the mindless hoards flocking to electric/hybrid cars because they are good for Mother Earth, even though the electricity to charge the electric cars mainly comes from hydro carbon based power plants and the hybrid cars have manufacturing processes that cause more harm then the entire life cycle of a Hummer. i for one just want cheap semi clean power.

      better not show this story to any of the fools worried about deforestation in the US... and what ever you do don't bring up the fact that with the need for more trees the industry will plant more trees. then they'll give you some lame argument about the fuzzy bunnies not liking living in these man made forests. seriously.

      can't make anybody happy anymore. somebody is going to bitch about this technology. using trees for power is going to get bad press. mark my words. it kind of makes me smile though. like the California case of the solar power panel guy vs the large tree blocking his sun guy.
      http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/sf/green-ideas/redwoods-vs-solar-panels-042727 the mindless freaks are beside themselves over who to support and which is better for the earth.

    7. Re:Nice, but... by cathector · · Score: 3, Informative

      your link to silverseek may have some relevant info, but it also has "sentences" like this:
      Just as gold miners have cast their geologists to the wind and pretty much eliminated their support structures to find and develop new properties, so haven't the copper miners. Now "they're" worried about a supply 'pinch' in 2006.

    8. Re:Nice, but... by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 4, Funny

      What's the ink made of? Oil?

      Baby seals

      Which are a proven renewable resource!

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    9. Re:Nice, but... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      The story isn't entirely clear, but it does say "the technique uses special ink made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires". Based on that I would guess the ink may be made of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires.

      That's definitely worth at least a +3 Funny ... how the hell you got a +5 Insightful out of that is beyond me.

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    10. Re:Nice, but... by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      See, now I don't know whether to Friend you for being a really smart troll, or Foe you for being dumber and more stubborn than an inbred mule with a lobotomy.

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    11. Re:Nice, but... by FishTankX · · Score: 1

      This may be a longshot.. But I think by far the largest source of easily extractable carbon on the earth at this point is coal, not oil. And we have enough of that for hundreds of years.

    12. Re:Nice, but... by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Funny

      How fast an you charge it without it bursting into flames?

      With a spear, or on horseback?

    13. Re:Nice, but... by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      Hey now, don't hate the playa, hate the game. I agree with you completely though, I though that was a pretty clear attempt at humor.

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    14. Re:Nice, but... by korean.ian · · Score: 1

      Oh for mod points. Rare that /. comments actually make me laugh.

    15. Re:Nice, but... by squidfood · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think this is one of those ideas that just sounds good on paper.

    16. Re:Nice, but... by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 5, Funny

      Warranty void if seal is broken.

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    17. Re:Nice, but... by mhajicek · · Score: 1

      Your baby seal is leaking.

    18. Re:Nice, but... by jtgd · · Score: 1

      ...and carbon neutral!

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    19. Re:Nice, but... by tabrnaker · · Score: 1

      Probably because he's talking about CHINESE grad students in CHINA and not grad students at Stanford in the US..

  3. similar principle by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These paper based batteries appear to function in a very similar fashion to the algae derived cellulose batteries mentioned on Slashdot a while ago. The paper probably acts as a support just as the algae cellulose particles did in the previously mentioned design.

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    1. Re:similar principle by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      So, what exactly is needed not to guarantee the buggy whip manufacturers a job?

      Cars, I'm guessing.

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  4. What's the energy density? by tinrobot · · Score: 1

    I hope I don't have to carry around a copy of "War and Peace" just to power my phone.

    1. Re:What's the energy density? by jd2112 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hope I don't have to carry around a copy of "War and Peace" just to power my phone.

      No, but it will power your Kindle.

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    2. Re:What's the energy density? by BlueParrot · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to the abstract it is 30-47 Wh/kg as compared to 160 Wh/kg for Li-ion. So it is a factor 3 short of Li-Ion. Still not bad for such a new tech. With some optimizations it might actually stand a chance to replace Li-Ion.

    3. Re:What's the energy density? by sentientbeing · · Score: 5, Funny

      No duh. You carry around a jpg of the battery on your phone. When your battery is about to die, you go to a network printer, print off the jpg and replace the new battery.

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    4. Re:What's the energy density? by reverseengineer · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's comparing apples and oranges though. The value of 30-47 Wh/kg is for a supercapacitor made using the conductive paper, not for a battery. The article itself keeps using the word "battery" (and so does the Stanford release it's based on), but the abstract only offers that "this conductive paper can be used as an excellent lightweight current collector in lithium-ion batteries to replace the existing metallic counterparts."

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    5. Re:What's the energy density? by ickleberry · · Score: 4, Informative

      Its about the same as lead-acid

      It's good enough to power short-medium range electric cars without the short lifetime of lead acid batteries.

    6. Re:What's the energy density? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      So use it as carbon fiber to build the structure of the car.... Sound perfectly plausible already at that.

      Sure, until you total your car and the shattered carbon fibers discharge all at once.

      A tank full of gasoline is positively safe compared to that.

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  5. Burning by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

    'We just haven't tested what happens when you burn it,' one of the researchers quipped."

    Riiiiighht. They're just waiting to patent electric rolling papers.

    1. Re:Burning by WGFCrafty · · Score: 3, Funny

      Self lighting joints which read out how many drags you have left on a little e-ink burnable screen!

      Made completely of cellulose! (and carbon nano-tubes)

  6. Can make capacitors out of em too. by gblackwo · · Score: 1

    You just need a graphite pencil and a piece of paper. Will a paper battery help build gilligan a radio?- probably not.

    1. Re:Can make capacitors out of em too. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Paper battery, diode detector made from a piece of quartzite found on the beach and a safety pin, coil from wire on the boat... hey, we've almost got a crystal radio. Now all we need is an earphone.

    2. Re:Can make capacitors out of em too. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      But if you meant a transmitter... all the parts are already on the boat. That's even easier.

  7. Cost of silver by BlueParrot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How much silver is actually sued in these batteries? Will availability be an issue? Does it work with other conductive materials like copper or aluminum? Intuitively I suspect the problem here will be energy density for the simple reason it is the one thing they did not promise would be awesome. That said with the tesla beating 500km recently these batteries coudl eprform well even if they had half of Li-Ion energy density.

    1. Re:Cost of silver by whowantscream · · Score: 4, Funny

      How much silver is actually sued in these batteries?

      IANAL, but I can't imagine what case one could bring against the silver in those batteries...

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    2. Re:Cost of silver by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      How much silver is actually sued in these batteries?

      I don't know, but the lawyers cost alone is going to prevent this technology from ever reaching the marketplace.

    3. Re:Cost of silver by daveime · · Score: 2, Funny

      Being the same shade as a Pantone Copyrighted Color Swatch ?

  8. fancy ink by trb · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ink made out of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires? That will be almost as expensive as inkjet ink.

    1. Re:fancy ink by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Informative

      At roughly 2,000$/liter inkjet ink is actually within an order of magnitude (25$/g) of the cost of pure carbon nanotubes. Given the rate at which the cost of nanotubes has been falling over the years and the fact that this ink probably won't be more than ~10-20% nanotubes by volume (my guess) it would be certainly possible that mass scale production could bring the cost down well below that of printer ink. Sad isn't it?

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    2. Re:fancy ink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're mixing up "cost" with "price".

      The "cost" to manufacture and distribute printer ink and printer cartridges is very low. It's the artificially-high "price" of printer cartridges for consumers that's the problem.

      If most consumers today weren't so stupid and just stopped buying printer ink at the current prices, it'd drop in price quite quickly. Even at just 25% of the current price, the manufacturers would still be making huge profit margins.

    3. Re:fancy ink by Twinbee · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Why is laser ink so much cheaper than inkjet?

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    4. Re:fancy ink by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      Ink made out of carbon nanotubes and silver nanowires? That will be almost as expensive as inkjet ink.

      No doubt that, if these paper batteries are ever used power cars, the manufacturers will practically give the cars away and make up the cost by selling consumables.

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    5. Re:fancy ink by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful

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    6. Re:fancy ink by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, but couldn't they 'up' the prices on laser toner in the same way as they do inkjet ink?

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    7. Re:fancy ink by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Were you referring to moi?

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    8. Re:fancy ink by causality · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're mixing up "cost" with "price".

      The "cost" to manufacture and distribute printer ink and printer cartridges is very low. It's the artificially-high "price" of printer cartridges for consumers that's the problem.

      If most consumers today weren't so stupid and just stopped buying printer ink at the current prices, it'd drop in price quite quickly. Even at just 25% of the current price, the manufacturers would still be making huge profit margins.

      The ink-jet printers are sold at a very low price, one that is not very profitable (if at all) for the manufacturer in isolation. It's not in isolation, however, because they make that money back by selling the consumable ink at a high mark-up. Effectively, the customer is paying a lower price up-front in exchange for an overall higher price over time. The printer companies are counting on the customer to be enticed by the initial low price without considering the overall deal, which would require some thought. Like many companies that assume the thoughtlessness of their customers, this has worked out well for them, unfortunately.

      The same principle is in effect for many car loans. I often see car commercials that advertise a vehicle but either do not specify the total price or the total price is de-emphasized. What is emphasized is the monthly payment, and usually for a 60-month loan. A car loan with such a long duration is a great way to end up upside-down on the vehicle (owe more money than it is worth). It also means that the total price you pay for the vehicle is significantly higher than either the list price or a loan with a more reasonable duration. But people who don't consider these things see a low monthly payment and make their decision on this basis alone.

      In both cases, the customer gets somewhat screwed just so they can have their shiny right now. Neither arrangement would appeal to a more financially conscious, savvy customer. Generally the "gotta have it right now" crowd experiences a short-term gain of convenience and a long-term loss of money. It's one reason why the USA has a negative savings index and is generally a culture of debt. Because of this behavior, most car dealerships make a modest profit from selling the vehicles and a large profit from financing them.

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    9. Re:fancy ink by causality · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why is laser ink so much cheaper than inkjet?

      Because when you buy a laser printer, you are generally paying the full or actual price for that printer. The consumables therefore tend to more closely reflect the actual cost of producing toner.

      When you buy an ink-jet printer, you are generally paying an artificially low price. The manufacturer then makes their money back by selling artificially expensive consumables. This is an ongoing cost of owning the printer, so the manufacturer continues to enjoy a high profit margin on the ink long after they have already made back the difference between the artificially low price and a more realistic price.

      Microsoft did something like this with the Xbox. The Xbox itself was sold at a loss and the idea was to make back that money by selling games. That's one reason they tried to prevent people from modding the Xbox such that it could be used as a cheap computer, as this would guarantee that they never make back that initial loss on the hardware.

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    10. Re:fancy ink by peragrin · · Score: 1

      while your correct on the ink jet printers, on the 2 60 month car loans i ahve had in my life, by the time I hit 30 months I am not only on the upside I am easily there. Now in those 30 months I usually make 2-3 extra payments which help. however modern cars not only hold their value longer, but hold together better over time. with minimal maintenance in 5 years you still have a car that can go another 5 years before it can't hold together anymore. A car that was worth it's value some 7.5 years earlier.

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    11. Re:fancy ink by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Okay I suppose my question would then be; why don't we have the reverse situation, where laser printers are cheap, but the toner is expensive, and where inkjet printers are expensive, but where the ink is cheap?

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    12. Re:fancy ink by orange47 · · Score: 1

      no, the sad part is that we need so much of damn printer ink. what happened with that talk about paperless office (years ago)?
      everyone is spoiled by the quality of print (vs monitor).
      hm, in a way expensive ink is good.. to remind people to conserve trees

    13. Re:fancy ink by causality · · Score: 1

      while your correct on the ink jet printers, on the 2 60 month car loans i ahve had in my life, by the time I hit 30 months I am not only on the upside I am easily there. Now in those 30 months I usually make 2-3 extra payments which help. however modern cars not only hold their value longer, but hold together better over time. with minimal maintenance in 5 years you still have a car that can go another 5 years before it can't hold together anymore. A car that was worth it's value some 7.5 years earlier.

      I appreciate what you're saying, but please note that I said "many car loans" not "all car loans without exception." I generally try to be very, very careful about using words like "all" for just this reason. I mean no offense, but knowing that you're one of those exceptions doesn't really change or add to the point that I was making.

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    14. Re:fancy ink by causality · · Score: 1

      Okay I suppose my question would then be; why don't we have the reverse situation, where laser printers are cheap, but the toner is expensive, and where inkjet printers are expensive, but where the ink is cheap?

      On that I can only offer speculation.

      My guess would be that it's because laser printers are usually purchased by people who have a decent volume of printing to do. Such people are not the most casual users of printers and are likely to put some thought into their purchases. Many times, laser printers are favored by businesses, and businesses have accountants and others who are expected to make good purchasing decisions.

      By contrast, most ink-jet printers are aimed at "consumers" and intended for home use. This is a crowd much more likely to be composed of casual users, to impulse-buy, and otherwise to be enticed by the sticker price without considering the long-term cost of consumables like ink and paper. It's a different market; therefore, different marketing is used.

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    15. Re:fancy ink by sjwt · · Score: 1

      The average consumer has two problems the average bussines dosent.

      1) They are not likly to be printing 10,000 pages a week
      2) They are not likly to be intrested in useing the same printer in 2 years time.

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    16. Re:fancy ink by beguyld · · Score: 1

      Exactly, those who don't know better and/or have less clout pay more.

      Essentially covered already today:

      Microsoft Invents Price-Gouging the Least Influential

    17. Re:fancy ink by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      The real problem will be selling the printers - you'll have to operate at a massive loss to take out the entrenched manufacturers (they have cheaper manufacturing, too,) and then you can raise things back up to a reasonable price once you have a reputation.

      Of course, you could aim for businesses, by making a printer that's lower cost than a laser and designed for higher volumes, but you're still looking at a very uphill battle.

  9. Yawn by ground.zero.612 · · Score: 1

    Wake me up when they make a static electricity battery that I can charge instantly after I walk across the room and touch it.

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    1. Re:Yawn by Mitchell314 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It'll wake you up alright.

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  10. I knew that oragami class would pay off someday by jd2112 · · Score: 1

    Anyone want a battery shaped like a frog?

    I for one hope this technology isn't going to be made by HP or Lexmark...

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  11. trees? by hort_wort · · Score: 1

    Just wait until some mad scientist engineers a tree to produce it's own ink and arrange it properly. In Soviet Russia, the tree strikes the lightning! (That's my first Soviet Russia attempt. w00t)

    1. Re:trees? by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, the tree strikes the lightning! (That's my first Soviet Russia attempt. w00t)

      Please. Don't ever attempt that again. Ever.

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  12. With thinking like that, we'd never get anywhere. by Vellmont · · Score: 4, Insightful


    What's the power density? If you need a dozen phonebooks worth of paper to store 100wH, never mind...

    To power a car, sure. If space is ample, or energy requirements are minimal, then this could be very useful.

    What's the ink made of? Oil? If so: never mind.

    Where does this come from? If you think we're going to eliminate oil derived products anytime soon, think again. Oil isn't going away as a feedstock for the chemical industry. If your requirement is that nothing is ever tied to petroleum, just give up now. You won't get very far.

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  13. Science: it works, bitches. by kemenaran · · Score: 1

    The mighty power of science, striking again! Some technologies just seem more *elegant* than others — and this one would be awesome.

  14. Finally! by TxRv · · Score: 1

    My dream of origami batteries is closer to realisation!

  15. Re:With thinking like that, we'd never get anywher by negRo_slim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If your requirement is that nothing is ever tied to petroleum, just give up now. You won't get very far.

    Won't get very far at a competitive cost anyways...

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  16. Ultra-thin battery already commercially available by dtmos · · Score: 4, Informative

    Keep in mind that ultra-thin, printed, "paper" batteries (usually printed on cellulose, or a thin polymer film for added mechanical strength, although paper itself can be done) have been commercially available for a decade -- see Power Paper and Blue Spark Technologies as just two examples.

  17. Printable Vs Paper by LtCol+Burrito · · Score: 1

    While most of the posts so far have focused on the paper aspect, what's interesting to me is the fact that the batteries can be printed. Assuming that you don't need the paper, this opens up a pretty significant world of possibilities. For example, imagine a solar powered aircraft that has the energy stored in the paint? This would give a pretty significant performance increase due to the lack of need for a standard battery.

    Also, if there's no need for paper, could you use it as a liquid? Pour it into the interstitial space of your machine? The potential for space savings are staggering.

  18. Re:With thinking like that, we'd never get anywher by veganboyjosh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Won't get very far at a competitive cost today, anyways...

  19. slightly misleading headline by formfeed · · Score: 2, Informative

    they use carbon and silver. this is like "turning an apple into a battery" when you stick zinc and copper into it.

  20. ePaper by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

    Would be neat if this could be used in combination with e-ink to make a self powered sheets of e-paper.

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  21. Re:Is nanotech the new asbestos? by sowth · · Score: 1

    Yes, with any newly developed tech one needs to be weary of any potential ill effects. One should be especially careful of anything which you will consume, will touch your skin, or may become airborne if it is not in an enclosed container.

    It pays to be cautious, but you don't have to be so cautious as to never use new technology. Even much of the old, commonly used stuff has dangers. Those dangers are just well known. Even most kids know not to put their fingers into light sockets, that is probably one of the first safety lessons parents should teach their children. (At least of those of us who have electricity.)

  22. Re:With thinking like that, we'd never get anywher by jhoegl · · Score: 1

    People really have no idea how much stuff we use on a daily basis comes from petroleum.

    Think anything plastic...
    Also
    Google "what is made from petroleum"
    partial list of petroleum products.
    http://www.ranken-energy.com/Products%20from%20Petroleum.htm

  23. Why post anonymously? by gbutler69 · · Score: 1

    Why are you posting anonymously? If you really believe what you are saying, you should stand and be counted.

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  24. so many questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    So many questions would be answered if the actual science was available.

    Too bad PNAS charges for people to see that. If you find Yi Cui's site at Stanford and look under "Publications," you may find a relevant pdf.

    *sigh* if only the editors knew how to use the internet... or is it that they don't know science is peer reviewed and not press released?

  25. Blood by handy_vandal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Like all new technology, you can safely say that it wasn't invented by black people. Or by women.

    Wrong.

    Charles Richard Drew (3 June 1904 – 1 April 1950) was an African American physician and medical researcher. He researched in the field of blood transfusions, developing improved techniques for blood storage, and applied his expert knowledge in developing large-scale blood banks early in World War II, saving thousands of lives of the Allied forces.

    They say that "one drop of black blood" makes you black -- therefore we are all black.

    In the words of Jesus: "Love ... thy neighbor as thyself." I'm pretty sure he included your dark-skinned -- yet identically red-blooded -- neighbors in that assertion.

    As for why Europeans conquered the world, see Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond. (Short answer: environmental factors.)

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    1. Re:Blood by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      As for why Europeans conquered the world, see "Guns, Germs, and Steel" by Jared Diamond. (Short answer: environmental factors.)

      Don't forget a healthy dose of bloodthirst. Europeans (or in other words, Christians) have murdered more than anyone else in the history of mankind. All the while exporting the belief of "turning the other cheek".

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  26. Just Wow! by Linker3000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you tie a length of this paper into a Möbius strip, do you get an infinite power source - or just AC?

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  27. Great, just great by Greg_D · · Score: 1

    Now we'll have libraries with "knowledge is power" posters everywhere.

    Guy 1: Hey Joe, how many volts you need to run that there dishwasher?
    Guy 2 (named Joe, apparently): I reckon three Libraries of Congress oughta do it.

  28. Burning test by C+R+Johnson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My guess is there will be some particularly nasty smoke when they do get around to testing it by burning.

    Thousands of carbon naontubes wafting away contaminating the room, furnishings, clothes, your child's fluffy toys doesn't seem like a good idea.

    I sure as heck don't want to be subject to inhaling carbon nanotubes. Not even one.

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    1. Re:Burning test by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      What's so special about carbon nanotubes? You're going to inhale much more carbon just driving a few miles to work in moderate traffic. Heaven forbid you spend an evening sitting beside a campfire with a few friends.

    2. Re:Burning test by klui · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most things in nature are quite large compared to carbon nanotubes. So they are filtered correctly by your lungs. Things that are smaller than what your lungs can handle will just stay there and cause problems.

    3. Re:Burning test by palegray.net · · Score: 1

      I'm willing to entertain this if you can show some medical documentation that specifically discusses this example. I believe the quantity of carbon we're talking about here is low enough the body's natural processes will remove it; we inhale large volumes of stuff every day that makes it past lung filtration without any long term ill effects. That aside, I haven't seen anything that indicates an immunological or otherwise negative reaction to this carbon versus carbon ingested from other sources.

  29. But will it make us happy? by Snaller · · Score: 1

    I think not.

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  30. Re:Nice but... by mhajicek · · Score: 3, Funny

    You could have a battery on a credit card, and call it your "Charge Card".

  31. Good and Evil, wherever you go by handy_vandal · · Score: 1

    Don't forget a healthy dose of bloodthirst. Europeans (or in other words, Christians) have murdered more than anyone else in the history of mankind. All the while exporting the belief of "turning the other cheek".

    I hear what you're saying, and while I'm sympathetic to your ideals, I'm not moved by your argument.

    If Europeans/Christians have murdered more than anyone else in the history of mankind, it's because they had the means and opportunity.

    Bloodthirsty monsters of men have existed throughout history across all peoples: this is no exclusive curse of Europeans. If anyone else had obtained the means of conquest sooner -- the Mongols, the Aztecs, the Zulus, the Maori, whoever -- they would have done the same.

    A similar problem presents itself in the guise of "White men traded in black slaves, therefore black people are exclusively victims." Not so: black Africans were sold by other black Africans to white slavers.

    Consider also that slavery was abolished by white Christians, e.g. Quakers.

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  32. Currency by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    According to the researchers, the paper batteries will be low-cost, may be crumpled or folded, and can even be soaked in acidic or basic solutions, yet their performance does not degrade.

    A few more tests and it might even be suitable for use on paper currency, and suddenly the paranoid fears of having tracking devices in every paper bill could become a reality (starting with $100, $50, and $20 bills).

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