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Why Is a Laptop's Battery Dearer Than a Lawnmower's?

Barence writes "PC Pro's contributing editor Paul Ockendon has bought a new lawnmower powered by lithium-ion batteries — part of a recent flood of such lithium-ion-powered garden and workshop tools which are taking over from NiCd and NiMH thanks to lighter weight, longer life and lack of the pernicious 'memory effect.' This is pretty much the same battery technology used in laptops, mobile phones and MP3 players, so volume manufacture is already established. Yet laptop manufacturers charge more per Watt-hour than lawnmower makers. This blog investigates whether such a seemingly ludicrous situation can be justified."

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  1. Well that's easy... by Firemouth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Greed.

    1. Re:Well that's easy... by superslacker87 · · Score: 5, Funny

      True, look at North Korea or Soviet Russia.

      In Soviet Russia... battery charges you!

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    2. Re:Well that's easy... by mirkob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I understand profit, that's why we're in business, to make money. But charging more for something just because the consumer is willing to pay more for it... I guess that crosses the ethical line for me.

      That's not supply and demand, it's not because it's any better than the other, it's not because its more expensive to make. You're just doing it because you can, and I call that greed.

      that's where the theory of capitalism fail, if every laptop owner know that it has been ripped of money for nothing in return
      than, maybe, market would work (and low the price),

      but the main component that influence the market today are publicity and obfuscation of real characteristics and flaws of product

      not informed comparison of products, where intelligent and informed people could decide if they want more reliable, more durable or cheaper product of a certain kind and, buying it, influence the market production.

  2. Size matters by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The reason why laptop batteries are more expensive per unit energy than a lawnmower battery is because you're only willing to tolerate a certain physical size for a laptop battery. On a lawnmower, by comparison, an arbitrarily large battery is generally acceptable provided it is not too extraordinarily heavy.

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    1. Re:Size matters by iamhigh · · Score: 5, Funny

      And let's not forget that one of them sits near your balls, which means I am willing to pay a little extra to make sure it doesn't leak or explode. I imagine insurance, increased product testing and more regulations all add to the price difference as well.

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    2. Re:Size matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If the batteries are next to your balls, I don't think you are using the lawnmower in an approved manner.

  3. Coming soon by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lawnmower-to-laptop battery adapter. Wheel Cart not included.

  4. Re:The Market by Ephemeriis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because any manufacturer is going to charge the most that you are willing to pay. In lawnmowers, there are cheaper alternatives. With laptops, there are not. Pure market based pricing.

    While I'm certain that's part of the issue, I think you're missing a more obvious difference - the form-factor.

    A laptop is supposed to be relatively small and portable. Laptop manufacturers will advertise how thick their laptop is, how many pounds it weighs, and how many hours it'll run on a battery. Thus, laptop batteries - while they may be made with the same technology - are as small and dense as possible.

    A lawnmower, on the other hand, has wheels on it. While you'd have a hard time shoving a 1 ton brick around your yard, it probably doesn't make much difference if the thing ways 15 lbs or 25 lbs... It'll still move easily enough. And if you're going to make it self-propelled it'll matter even less. The same thing goes for the size/volume of the thing... It isn't like this thing has to fit into an overhead bin or a backpack. Hell, your cutting deck is already several feet square - the battery probably isn't going to be the biggest thing on it.

    So you've got laptops (and cell phones) where you're trying to build a tiny, dense battery... And lawn mowers where you just need enough juice to run the mower for a couple hours and it really doesn't matter how bulky the thing is.

    And folks are surprised that there's a price difference why?

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  5. Re:Such a what? by Spazztastic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mod Parent -1: Blasphemy

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  6. Manual Lawnmower! by afc_wimbledon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Avoids the flex problem, is always charged up, is a lot cheaper to buy and free to run, and as a bonus I get exercise when I cut the lawn! (OK, OK, my *girlfriend* gets exercise when *she* cuts the lawn because I can't be bothered, but the principle's the same!)

  7. Not Greed .. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More like "Lack of standards"

    There is no "Laptop battery pack", each laptop seams to have is own wattage/voltage combo that is unique to that model / brand.

    The fact is, there should be a "standard" set of standard "sizes" available, like we have for regular batteries (A, AA, AAA, C, D, 9v, etc).

    It isn't "greed" so much as it is the cost of making a large number of short run batteries. When it costs almost as much to get a battery as it does a new laptop, there is something wrong.

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    1. Re:Not Greed .. by idontgno · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're describing the effect. "Greed" describes the cause.

      It's against the profit interests of laptop manufacturers to standardize batteries because then they'd have to compete with each other on them. Since these batteries are essentially commodity items, the only competitive variable would be pricing. And no producer likes competing on price.

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  8. Did You Guys Actually Click To Page 2? by Snap+E+Tom · · Score: 5, Informative

    The guy from Sony answered it: size, weight, and output differences. Would someone actually critique that instead of talking about markets, price settings, and conspiracy theories?

  9. Re:Conratulations. by gander666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is called market segmentation, and in general it is good. Different segments for the same products/technologies have different values for good intrinsic to them.

    As an example, Taylor Hobson makes a fine stylus profiler. It is the standard in industry and precision manufacturing for determining shape and surface quality for parts. They charge (hypothetically) $60k for this instrument when they sell it to a manufacturer of metal precision components.

    However, the exact same instrument, with a couple of new software features is sold into the Optics production market. The price is ~ 2.5X the price of the same tool sold to the industrial market. They get this premium, because the optics production segment has a different value proposition for the measurements it makes.

    Same thing in laptop batteries. Same technology, but the application is different. Squeezing a few extra watt-hours into a smaller space is worth the premium. Also, you use you laptop much more than you use yard implements, so the perceived value of good life and longer cycles between recharging is a higher value.

    It is irrelevant that they use the same technology.

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