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Android's Success a Threat To Free Software?

Glyn Moody writes "Two years after its launch, Google's Linux-based Android platform is finally making its presence felt in the world of smartphones. Around 20,000 apps have been written for it. Although well behind the iPhone's tally, that's significantly more than just a few months ago. But there's a problem: few of these Android apps are free software. Instead, we seem to be witnessing the birth of a new hybrid stack — open source underneath, and proprietary on top. If, as many believe, mobile phones will become the main computing platform for most of the world, that could be a big problem for the health of the free software ecosystem. So what, if anything, should the community be doing about it?"

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  1. Uh...build your own free app? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see the problem.

    1. Re:Uh...build your own free app? by GrantRobertson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly! How in the world can the platform be at fault just because open source developers have not jumped onto it yet.

      This posting is just trying to create a controversy out of thin air. Must be a slow news day.

    2. Re:Uh...build your own free app? by sopssa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly, and big part of the reason theres so many apps already is because innovation is greatly driven by money and many people want to jump in.

      Actually if Android was limiting itself to only open source, free software I don't think there would be so many apps made. This is especially true because they usually lack in UI and graphical terms, where the first one is really important in mobile apps.

      Whole Android would be a lot less open if it didn't let commercial software on it. Even Windows Mobile is more open because you can install any app on it, unlike with iPhone (no, jailbreaking doesn't count)

    3. Re:Uh...build your own free app? by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So after all these years of fretting that users of free OSes are unwilling to support worthwhile commercial development for them (e.g. ports of popular apps and games to Linux, to free people from the tyranny of Windows and Mac OS), we now have a Linux-based platform that is attracting commercial development and that's a problem?

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    4. Re:Uh...build your own free app? by onefriedrice · · Score: 3, Funny

      Exactly, and big part of the reason theres so many apps already is because innovation is greatly driven by money and many people want to jump in.

      What kind of blasphemy is this? Everybody knows the government drives innovation, not independent players in a market scenario.

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    5. Re:Uh...build your own free app? by nomadic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What kind of blasphemy is this? Everybody knows the government drives innovation, not independent players in a market scenario.

      Yes, what innovation did government ever come up with other than minor ones like the computer, the space shuttle, the internet, and the atomic bomb?

    6. Re:Uh...build your own free app? by oatworm · · Score: 4, Funny

      All right... all right... but apart from the computer and the space shuttle and the internet and atomic power and better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what has the government done for us?

  2. Okay, I'll be the one to say it... by FauxPasIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > So what, if anything, should the community be doing about it?

    Ummm... writing good, foss apps to do the things you need/want to do? Seems obvious.

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    1. Re:Okay, I'll be the one to say it... by nschubach · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Personally, I'd rather see an open operating system used for all apps. This way people can improve and build upon it and write competing systems easier. That way, if you buy Photoshop/Game/Autocad for Linux, there's a better chance that it will run (or be quickly ported) on a competitor so you don't feel locked to a specific company because you spent thousands on a specific app for a specific job.

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    2. Re:Okay, I'll be the one to say it... by killmenow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. There's nothing to see here. There is tremendous drive right now for developers with an interest in making money to develop apps for Android. The drive is there because the "promise" of riches is there. But, just like the desktop computing environment before, the commercial developers will be followed by OSS developers who just have an itch to scratch that no existing app handles, or they realize people are charging money for an app that is essentially twenty lines of code and they say, "really? they charge money for that? How ridiculous!" and write a better version under a FLOSS license. I have added a crapload of apps to my droid, all free as in beer and some free as in speech. It's cool to realize some of the games I play on my phone I could contribute patches to if I so desired.

      One of the reasons I chose this phone is because I use the Android SDK and have written a few (VERY simple) apps and know if there's something I want bad enough, I can develop it myself and I don't have to root (or "jailbreak") my phone (voiding warranties) or get Google or Apple's approval to install it.

    3. Re:Okay, I'll be the one to say it... by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem won't be writing the apps. The problem will be who is the "gatekeeper" which allows these to be loaded and executed on the phone. At present, it seems to me that the network operators are the ones who determine what can and cannot be run - not because of the access to the phone but by allowing or disallowing access to their network. That's what they're trying to protect - not the phone hardware.

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    4. Re:Okay, I'll be the one to say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or support the N900 instead of the Android. It's not a totally open stack, but it's much more so than Android, and the apps also tend to be direct ports of Linux OSS. And the whole thing is less locked down to begin with.

    5. Re:Okay, I'll be the one to say it... by StayFrosty · · Score: 3, Informative

      This isn't exactly true. While the network operators may be able to put pressure on the official Android Market to keep certain apps out, you don't have to root your phone or anything to install .apk's from alternative markets or downloaded from the web.

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    6. Re:Okay, I'll be the one to say it... by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I actually like the Hybrid Open Source Closed source code...

      The Stallman GNU view of the world is way to restrictive and doesn't foster large support. Yes People are greedy, but except for fighting the greed, make an environment where greed can be used for good.

      There are some things Open Source has always had trouble with. The most basic is making integrated User Interfaces, it is very hard to find a large base of developers who are willing to give a good UI for free as well working with non-programmers who don't care about open source to help create work (such as graphic designers) for free. I am not saying it can't be done for a particular project as I am sure Slashdot will give a me a slew of projects that have a great UI. But to have it don't for many projects gets much harder.

      But there are things that Open Source does much better then commercial such as security and stability, and a lot of core functionality and features. These are things that good programers like to do and are willing to give it out just to help the community and/or make them selfs look good.

      Hybrid really brings the best to both worlds. A UI and integration can be recoded and redone as the need exists and the backend that does the real work can open so compatibility and interportability can be established and prevent anyone from having a strangle hold on the systems knowledge.

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    7. Re:Okay, I'll be the one to say it... by sopssa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The big difference is Linux is free. Android is not. It's open source and free to use, but you have to be kidding yourself if you don't think that Google makes money off of Android. It's tied into all of their services. It's pushing them more advertisement revenue. Linux is most definitely not developed around a business model to make money.

      Even heard of Red Hat, Canonical or even Firefox that gets paid by Google to include them as the primary search engine?

      Or how people are been telling for ages that "but you can make money with OSS by support and such things".

      Advertising is the largest revenue model for OSS now. With proprietary software you pay the developer directly and you don't usually get fucked over by the developer by losing your privacy for advertisers. You get what you pay for.

    8. Re:Okay, I'll be the one to say it... by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not true.
      I am all for commercial and FOSS development because I see it as a win win. The truth is that FOSS can produce very good programs.
      Firefox is a great browser.
      Thunderbird is a very good email client.
      Gimp is a very good graphics program. I will not argue that Photoshop is better but Gimp is much more powerful than Photoshop Elements.
      I really like DeeVeeDee for making DVDs is super easy to use.
      VLC
      Audacity
      Adium
      7Zip
      and on and on.
      There is a lot of very good FOSS software out there. Now is there a lot of total crap? You bet but there is a ton of total crap closed source software as well.

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    9. Re:Okay, I'll be the one to say it... by the+ReviveR · · Score: 4, Informative
      The N900 is NOT very expensive (well not cheap either), it's about the same as any other top of the line smartphone. The reason it may seem like that is because in US you cannot get it subsidized.

      Here is a copy paste of an earlier post I made....

      Here are some prices from one of the cheaper web stores in Finland. Please note that these have taxes included and probably the "europeans are idiots" bonus (1 dollar = 1 euro)

      • iPhone 3GS 32GB - 528 euro (+ 12 month contract with "normal" prices)
      • iPhone 3G 8GB - 396 euro (+12 month contract with "normal" prices)
      • HTC Hero - 489.90 euro (no contract)
      • Motorola Milestone - 549.90 euro (no contract + 50 euro more for localized keyboard)
      • Nokia N900 - 569.00 euro (no contract)
      • Samsung Galaxy i7500 - 489.90 euro( no contract)
      • Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 Android - 749.90 euro (no contract)

      Based on these it would seem that most top of the line phones actually cost around 500 - 600 euro (that is probably 500$-600$ in US) and even correlates pretty nicely with release schedule. Don't get the price on the Sony Ericsson, though it isn't actually out yet I think.

      BTW: People were able to get it as cheap as $442 from Dell a while back. Don't know what is the cheapest now (nor would I buy anything from Dell :)

    10. Re:Okay, I'll be the one to say it... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Informative

      But, just like the desktop computing environment before, the commercial developers will be followed by OSS developers who just have an itch to scratch that no existing app handles...

      Don't you mean that the commercial developers will follow the OSS developers? Because that's how it actually happened. Software was generally free of charge and often passed around until some companies decided to start making money from it, going all the way back to ancient versions of Unix and other hackish OSes like ITS, in the 1960s.

      I'd tell you who to go talk to to verify such things, but they'd probably just tell you to get off their lawn...

  3. The obvious answer by PolyDwarf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what, if anything, should the community be doing about it?

    Gonna go out on a limb here and say "Develop apps for Android."

    1. Re:The obvious answer by PolyDwarf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree that pirating may/will happen... But, I tend to think that "The Open Source Community" would frown on those shenanigans.

  4. What an Oddly Backwards Opinion Piece by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Worse, ifeffortsto enable Android apps to run on distros like Ubuntu succeed, then we may see closed-source software being used on the free software stack there, too. Ironically, Android's success could harm not just open source's chances in the world of mobile phones, but even on the desktop.

    Huh, that's a really funny statement. I thought one of the biggest barriers to Linux on the desktop was the fact that we couldn't entice proprietary manufacturers (from device drivers to bulky enterprise solutions) to also release and thoroughly support a Linux distribution of their software. Hell, every other week we're bitching about the sad state of gaming on Linux or sound on Linux and let's just face it: you need to improve that before people will buy Linux for that purpose. And now we're concerned that proprietary will be released on Android? And it might challenge Linux? Good. If it can manage that, good for it. I assure you that if proprietary manufacturers see Android as a viable release alternative to Windows CE, Symbian, etc, that is when you're going to see everyone embrace an open source product.

    And really, what's wrong with that? The people who wanted to release their open source software still are but now the people that want to release their closed source software still are and can. And the best part about it is everyone's using an open source stack to support their application.

    I don't know about you but if you could replace Windows with Linux on the desktop even though 99% of the apps running on it were proprietary, I would be much more happy with the state of things.

    We need both FOSS and proprietary software. Give both of them what they want like options to achieve their goals and then you will have a truly great product that helps the community and humanity as a whole in utilizing computers.

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    1. Re:What an Oddly Backwards Opinion Piece by Enderandrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      [quote]Gaming will work itself out if Wine continues apace.[/quote]

      I really applaud the efforts of the Wine developers. I think their product is truly amazing.

      It will always be playing catch up however. And last time I checked, The Sims is the best selling PC title of all time. It is also an old game that the Wine developers still haven't gotten to work. If they can't get the best selling game of all time to work, that seriously hurts your reputation as a true alternative to Windows for gaming.

      I love me some Linux, but I rarely bother with Wine. Most of the games I got to work with Wine, I had to use a crack to remove DRM first. Most end users aren't capable of doing this, and technically it is illegal in the US. I keep a Windows partition exclusively for gaming because of this.

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  5. Well, let's see by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The community" could come up with a very restrictive license that doesn't allow that sort of thing, which Google et. al. will just not use anyway.

    The point of open source and free software is that it's supposed to be better than proprietary. It's supposed to win on merit, not restrictive licensing or "the community" trying to force things.

  6. Not New: Apple's stack is hybrid too by Raffaello · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is not news in any way. Apple's platforms (Mac and iPhone) have been successful for precisely the same reason. They exploit open source for the infrastructure (OS and developer tool chain) and layer proprietary applications on top for profitability.

    1. Re:Not New: Apple's stack is hybrid too by rpp3po · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apple does not just exploit open source, they also contribute bleeding-edge, high-quality code for GCC (LLVM), although they would legally not be required to do so by the BSD license.

    2. Re:Not New: Apple's stack is hybrid too by idiot900 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In a sense Apple's contributions to open-source projects are a way to protect their investment. Even under a BSD license, not contributing back upstream is equivalent to forking the project. If they did that they'd have to spend a lot of time and money merging upstream changes down the line, instead of having upstream do the work for free.

      Also I'd imagine the sort of engineer who would be able to contribute good code to something like LLVM is not too common, and (s)he would have a strong sense of wanting to give back. To keep people like that, a company needs to make them feel enfranchised.

    3. Re:Not New: Apple's stack is hybrid too by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, this is a point that I've made in the past. The BSD license is a better tool for encouraging corporate participation. The BSD license says 'you can keep your changes to this private if you want, but in the end it will end up costing you more if you do.' The GPL, on the other hand, says 'if you don't give everything back then we will attack you with lawyers.' The corporate reaction to the first is usually to evaluate the cost and benefit of working with the community and (usually, but not always) decide it's in their interest. The corporate response to the second is to look for loopholes in the license (of which there are a great many).

      Also I'd imagine the sort of engineer who would be able to contribute good code to something like LLVM is not too common

      Actually, you might be surprised. LLVM is a pretty clean code base, by C++ standards. The time between when I first looked at the code, and when I got my first patch accepted was about a week. I wrote the initial implementation of code generation for Objective-C in clang, and now have commit access to LLVM (which I haven't used for a while; I've been working on other things). It's a very easy project to get involved with.

      Apple keeps LLVM open source because they are not in the compilers business. They don't make money from selling compilers, but they do make money from the fact that high quality compilers exist for their system. It is in their best interests to release their changes to LLVM in a way that encourages other people to improve on them, and the benefit from the likes of Adobe, Cray, Sun and nVidia contributing changes. You get better commitment from people when they choose to be involved; no one has to give back to LLVM, but the ones that do all do so because they know that it benefits them. I put in a bit of effort and now have a working compiler for Objective-C, supporting all of the recent Apple extensions, that works on non-Apple platforms. Apple got some bug fixes and improvements to parts of the codebase that they use as a result of my work. Both of us benefit (although, proportional to investment, I benefit a lot more).

      I actually spent more time trying to understand the GCC Objective-C code before I looked at clang than I did looking at LLVM, and I still haven't managed to make any significant changes to GCC. I laugh whenever I go to the FSF's page about great successes of the GPL and find that they are still claiming that forcing NeXT to release the Objective-C front end for GCC was a win for Free Software; the code is a completely unmaintainable mess. Rewriting it completely in clang was less effort than understanding it.

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  7. This is silly by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its like saying that Linux is a threat to feee software because you can run commercial applications. Surley the key to it taking off is having a mix of free and commercial applications.

  8. What could be healthier? by rpp3po · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sick of those fundamentalists. What could be healthier than an open source platform without vendor lock-in, that anybody can use to generate some income. I love what has been produced in the spirit of open source and nobody won't take this away. But the everything must be free mentality is a bigger threat than people making money by selling software in binary form for a living. Good software means months of work and pizza and coffee need to be paid for. And experience has shown that at max 0.5% of people pay for something that they can get for free easily and legally.

    1. Re:What could be healthier? by ircmaxell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The theory behind it is that if all software is free, then people would stop worrying about the software itself, and start worrying about how to use it. Imagine if you could take a large company who spends upwards of $100 million per year on licenses, and let them put the majority of that money back into research and development.

      I am an open source advocate. However, with that said, I disagree with the OP. I firmly believe that open source and proprietary applications can and should co-exist. What's happening on the Android market is what I believe to be the next natural progression of our society. The base, the core, the building blocks are all open source. They enable anyone to compete on a fair playing field. Who cares that the majority of applications developed on top are not open? So long as they play nice (open communications, standards compliant), what harm is it doing?

      Most people don't need 95% of the capabilities of Photoshop... That's why open source alternatives do exist (tho most suck). Sure, they may TRY to compete, but most fall well short of hitting the mark. But they can help to fill in that 95% gap, so that the only people who wind up paying for Photoshop are the people who actually need what it provides. That's the true power of open source. Not to fill every niche role, but to take care of the 95%. There's good $$$ in the 5%, which is why companies like Adobe exist. The world is a big place, and I firmly believe that there's both room and a need for both open source and proprietary applications...

      That's just my $0.02...

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  9. Maemo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Vote with your wallets. Maemo, the most open internet-tablet/smartphone platform currently on the market (assuming OpenMoko is dead). Not perfectly open, but a lot better than the Android.

    From the 770 in 2005, to the N800 and N810 in 2007 to the latest release of the N900 this year.

    There's even third-party clone which the platform needs to become truely mainstream.

    1. Re:Maemo by c0d3g33k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I did (vote with my wallet). Maemo lost. Google managed to get a provider that actually has coverage where I live to sell an android device. Maemo? Not so much. When ideology collides with the real world, sometimes the real world wins. I hope this changes in the future, because I didn't have any preexisting bias for android, but I can use my android phone NOW, rather than wait for the nebulous future when the planets line up just right to make devices available that run software which fits my ideology perfectly. OTOH, I can't say I have much to complain about with android so far. I've been able to run only Free (as in speech) apps to get the functionality I desire, and I can write my own using the SDK that's available. Seems like a fine situation to me.

    2. Re:Maemo by Eunuchswear · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to wikipedia, Maemo is largely open source with some mandatory proprietary components. How is this different from Android?

      ~ $ sudo gainroot
      Root shell enabled
       
      Busybox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+05m) built-in shell (ash)
      Enter 'help' for a list of built in commands.
       
      /home/user # apt-get install whatever-i-want

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  10. Re:flawed premise by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They're far too small, limited, have terrible human-input interfaces, too small screens and puny batteries.

    Small: Asset
    Limited: The new OMAP chips are pretty ballsy, and can do HD video output... and are coming to a phone near you
    Terrible human-input: Bluetooth, baby. Bluetooth.
    Too-Small screens: HDMI would fit on a phone just fine.
    Puny batteries: You plug it in when you're doing heavy lifting.

    I suspect that cellphones WILL become the dominant computing device for a time. Not least because it's much cheaper than buying a PC and a cellphone, and cellphones are fairly ubiquitous already... and becoming more literally so.

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  11. We've gone long enough without real progress... by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Look, as much as all this Cathedral and Bazaar/Chaos crap sounds good in some righteous fight against the man, I've been using and helping to build Linux since 1995 and what we have sorely needed is some form of direction and vision. OS X has made such massive leaps and bounds with a relatively small number of developers because they have a solid vision and goal steering their efforts. We just flail about and continually eschew any sort of cohesive goal. It shows. Linus doesn't want to take control and everyone wants to claim that it is not needed, but amazingly the Kernel itself requires this type of management and oversight... and it is always the most progressive part of the whole. But what good is the best kernel without a supporting structure? It's time to either take the bull by the horns, or step back and allow a company like Google or Canonical to do it. Canonical and Ubuntu have floundered and have not come out as that entity even with the success in interest they garnered (like Red Hat before it), so it's time for another to try. I could care less who finally does it, just get it done!

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  12. Re:There would be no FOSS without the fundamentali by rpp3po · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I strongly disagree. Open Source has mainly been brought forward by pragmatists as Linus with a sense to attract high level software industry supporters. The fundamentalists were, the last time I checked, still working on GNU/Hurd. ;)