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The Science of Avatar

Jamie noted a bit on The Science of Avatar running on Ain't it Cool, written by a professor of astrophysics who has worked on searching for planets and SETI. I believe I might be the last person on earth who hasn't seen it; here's hoping I can find 3 free hours over the holidays.

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  1. I haven't seen it by A+Friendly+Troll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I haven't seen it because all of my friends have torrented the damn movie, some even watched horrible cam rips with a foreign language and no subs.

    Nobody wants to go to the cinema any more.

    Fuck you, torrents.

    1. Re:I haven't seen it by TheKidWho · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's unfortunate, while the story is ho-hum the 3D visual effects are simply amazing.

    2. Re:I haven't seen it by sammyF70 · · Score: 5, Funny

      so in short it should have been called "Jurassic Smurfs"?

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    3. Re:I haven't seen it by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you want to see it that bad, go by yourself. Enjoy the crowds of obnoxious people, screaming babies, filthy floors, cramped seats, blocked views, terrible traffic, and insufficient parking. Yeah, nobody wants to go to the cinema anymore because of crappy cam torrents.

    4. Re:I haven't seen it by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Funny

          Taking a date also gives you something to do before the movie starts, and during the boring parts. :) "Hey this scene sucks, wanna fool around?"

          By yourself, people get offended that you're sitting in a raincoat, jerking off to the blue aliens.

          And no, I haven't seen it. I'm waiting for it to come out on Betamax. :)

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    5. Re:I haven't seen it by dcherryholmes · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dances With Thundersmurfs

    6. Re:I haven't seen it by ShatteredArm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Dances With The Last Of The Pocahontas." Once you work FernGully in there, you've incorporated pretty much every plot element.

    7. Re:I haven't seen it by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dances With Thundersmurfs

      I don't care what it's about; if they make a movie with that title, I'll watch it.

    8. Re:I haven't seen it by CodeBuster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Enjoy the crowds of obnoxious people, screaming babies, filthy floors, cramped seats, blocked views, terrible traffic, and insufficient parking.

      This can be a problem yes, but one thing that Avatar has going for it is the Imax 3D angle which generally costs at least $16 US dollars per seat and more like $20+ if one gets popcorn and soda. While some might say that price is a rip-off, it does have the rather nice side effect of discouraging some of the more low-brow elements of the general public (especially during a recession). So, if I were going to see it at the theater I would chose the more expensive Imax 3D option at least one week after release. This reduces substantially the probability of encountering the unpleasant elements enumerated by the parent.

    9. Re:I haven't seen it by djdevon3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's been 3 years since I've gone to a movie theater and I actually went to see Avatar yesterday. It was worth it. Yes, Avatar is actually that amazing. If your loser friends don't want to pay money to see the greatest movie ever made on the big screen that's their f***ing problem.

    10. Re:I haven't seen it by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Funny

      Naww, none of those really work well. I see it as a redoing of Dune. Both have an outsider who comes from afar to help the natives. Both have a wanted substance that ties into their religion. Both end with the outsider fighting his own people to protect the natives and taking a woman from the natives. Both end with asserting control over the substance and getting rid of the invaders. Eywa = Shai-Hulud, Spice = Unobtonium.

      Although, I must admit this right-wing movie review is hilarious! The reviewer is upset at alien nudity, drug references, lack of Christianity amongst the aliens, "reverse racism", and the anti-human "marxist" agenda of the movie.

  2. Re:TFA is full of flaws itself by plover · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Read further down the article. He acknowledges that people have already corrected him on these points, leaving him further impressed with the movie.

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  3. Re:You aren't missing anything by slimjim8094 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unobtanium was silly - the entire theater laughed out loud on that one. I look at it as Cameron respecting the viewer's intelligence. This is a story about people, and the conflict between races, etc. The reason humans are there isn't important - just that they aren't leaving unless forced. I think Unobtanium - that is, something so obviously ridiculous - is Cameron's way of saying "yes, I know it's a silly premise but let's move on". Like "dilithium"

    Would you have preferred some elaborate BS? Because I'm sure they thought of it and chose this instead.

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  4. Re:Ava-who? by mdm-adph · · Score: 4, Informative

    Look, the plot is basically Dances with Wolves in Space, but still -- this movie was an example of amazing, expensive effects paired with an actual story.

    Want a comparison? Watch Avatar, enjoy it, and then watch something like Transformers 2, and then see if you don't vomit from sheer disgust.

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  5. Re:TFA is full of flaws itself by sackvillian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Agreed, and he said this:

    I do have one minor complaint, that given their networking abilities, the Na’vi should not be so technologically inferior to the humans.

    That ignores the reason humans first started developing significant technology; the agricultural revolution. That was the point when we extracted ourselves from nature and took over control of food. That's what allowed us to create advanced settlements and the rest is (pre-)history, as they say.

    See the philosophical novel Ishmael for the basis of this argument.

    Given the "living in harmony with nature" theme in the movie, one could hardly expect the Na'vi to have done the same.

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  6. Re:Ava-who? by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You're going to judge it before you've even seen it?

    I saw it, and I think it was a great movie. It's not Shakespeare or Dostoevsky. It's a *simple* story, painted in primary colors. Don't confuse that with bad ( Come to think of it, some of Shakespeare's stories were rather simple -- Romeo and Juliet, anyone?). The effects are also good, and are masterfully woven into the story, not just there for no reason ( Except for Cameron's canonical human in robot-suit versus giant living organism. I think it's his leitmotif of man+technology versus nature, so it kind of summarizes the whole film, one could argue.)

    Hollywood will make crap movies regardless of what Cameron does. This one is good. See it in 3D; it's not just a gimmick, it aids in your immersion into a fictional world.

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  7. Re:Ava-who? by TiberiusMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The plot isn't bad, it's just nothing new. When taken as a whole, the movie is wonderful.

  8. Re:You aren't missing anything by TiberiusMonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    er... Unobtanium is a word that's been used for sometime now, like before I was born. Knowing the word already and then hearing it in the film I felt that either the character was making fun of how amazing this metal was, or that James Cameron was poking fun of the "made up material/substance" we so often see in sci-fi to explain things. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtainium

  9. Floating Mountains explained by GPLDAN · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've seen the film, in IMAX 3D (gave me a two day headache) - and I guess I missed the giant stone arches near the end of the film.

    But, somebody who worked on the film anonymously emailed the writer of the article to explain some of the problems they saw. Namely: the gas giant rotating faster than it possibly could. And there is speculation that the floating mountains contain unobtainium, which is a room temp superconductor.

    The mountains were formed on the land, and "broke off" sailing upwards over the magnetic pole of the planet. They are repelled by the magnetic field underneath them, counteracting gravity.

    This is very silly, as minor magnetic perturbations would make the mountains flail about wildly, just as trying to hold a magnet up in the air with another magnet is very difficult.

    Also, he doesn't address what properties of unobtainium exist that would likely "save Earth". Why would a rock that was a room temperature superconductor save Earth? You couldn't build nuclear power plants from it. Perhaps it has properties that make it 1000x more powerful than uranium? None of this gets addressed.

    1. Re:Floating Mountains explained by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is very silly, as minor magnetic perturbations would make the mountains flail about wildly, just as trying to hold a magnet up in the air with another magnet is very difficult.

      You mean difficult like this? Or how about this? Looks pretty easy to me. Minor magnetic perturbations would not make the mountains flail about wildly because they have a high MASS. It would take a great big magnetic fluctuation to do move a large mass. I wager that the only thing that could do that would be a magnetic pole flipping, but since the human race hasn't seen one of these in our recorded history we have no idea how they take place so I think we can forgive that one.

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  10. Re:Ava-who? by TheKidWho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I didn't watch it and I don't like the idea of it, so anyone who does like it is obviously a moron and is a sign of things to come for our society. Why can't people be intelligent like me and like some obscure movie by some obscure director???"

    BooHoo, get off your high horse. The movie is visual excellence, nothing compares to it in that department.

  11. Re:Ava-who? by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If it's any consolation, Shakespeare's plays were considered trashy pulp theater at the time.

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  12. Pre or POST industrial by Lvdata · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everyone seems to be making the ASSUMPTION the the Na'vi are preindustrial.

    1. The Na'vi can link directly to many other animals that are happy to serve them, and and the Na'vi in return care for them.

    2. Planet wide network for storage, upload and download of information, long term store, processing, and on demand local grid processing, including the ability to do a total upload of a person.

    3. Unobtainium, a planet wide "natural" super conductor that allows for floating mountains.

    4. Eywa, the operating system put in place to regulate everything, including guiding the Na'vi to stay in harmony with everything else.

    It seems to me that the Na'vi went though their own singularity, and what we see as primitive is the biotechnology leftovers from a older culture, but they have set themselves and their decedents with a ideal environment, the ability to live, have kids, grow old, then upload when the time is right. Use large off-planet element nuclear synthesis to create the unobtainium, (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability ), and setup the biosphere and the infosphere for long term in habitation by ignorant people. In a head to head comparison of Na'vi vs humans, the Na'vi are superior in almost everyway.

    Medicine - Eywa takes care of that much better.
    Education - A direct mental link for sharing of information.
    Physical form - not much is explained beyond carbon fiber in the skeleton, but onscreen of what Jake goes though is beyond what a normal human can handle.
    Information storage, processing & retrieval mostly superior, with the exception of speed given the late start the other animals had in the battle.
    Long term care of their wold and sustainability - Although the world seems genetically engineered for the Na'vi,over time some drift has occurred as not all animals retain their friendliness, but in times of crises, can revert back.

    Given that this is part 1 of 3, and the hints on screen and referenced to, this is my suspicion. Most people have problems thinking about the singularity as it is so encompassing, enabling, and yet compressing. The Na'vi are just one result of who remains after a biological singularity.