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Bono Hopes Content Tracking Will Help Media Moguls

Khalid Baheyeldin writes "In his New York Times op-ed column, Irish singer Bono, otherwise noted for his humanitarian efforts expressed dismay at losses music artists incur from internet downloads. He notes that 'we know from America's noble effort to stop child pornography, not to mention China's ignoble effort to suppress online dissent, that it's perfectly possible to track content.' He then goes on to wonder 'perhaps movie moguls will succeed where musicians and their moguls have failed so far, and rally America to defend the most creative economy in the world, where music, film, TV and video games help to account for nearly 4 percent of gross domestic product.'"

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  1. Sorry by Dartz-IRL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From an Irish Slashdotter, I think it's only fair to say. I apologise most unreservedly to the world for not flushing this floater when we had the chance.

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    1. Re:Sorry by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey. I watched Letterman last night and Robin Williams was being interviewed. He told a story about this floater that he was brought back down to earth in Scotland. Basically Bono started clapping and during the clapping he said "Every time I clap another whale dies". From the back of the auditorium came "Well then, fucking stop clapping!".

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    2. Re:Sorry by turbotroll · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From an Irish Slashdotter, I think it's only fair to say. I apologise most unreservedly to the world for not flushing this floater when we had the chance.

      Don't worry buddy, it's not your fault. Every nation has its black sheep and fuckups.

      For those not aware what kind of a hypocritical scumbag Bono really is, here is some good reading:

      Jesus Loves U 2
      Philanthropy and hypocrisy

    3. Re:Sorry by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 5, Funny

      The problem is that U2's music is being pirated a lot. With every GNU/Linux distribution you download, you are also downloading all of U2's MP3s.

      To listen to them, just do cat /proc/kcore > /dev/dsp. The sound it makes is virtually identical to bono's inconsolable screaming.

      I'm sure he can sue us all and demand we pay $ 699 for each GNU/Linux install. Do we have a new SCO in town?

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    4. Re:Sorry by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That first link was interesting to me, right till I read:

      So how do we know when help is either selfish or unselfish? How can we be sure that Bono, Madonna, Al Gore and Bill Gates are just rich swindlers? If we're honestly interested in helping someone, we do this best by solving their problem. Pumping in more money from the West does not solve the poverty of the Third World. Bono Loves Himself. In fact, the Western aid actually serves to increase poverty, by keeping generations of starving children alive - children that natural selection otherwise would take care of. Thus the number of people growing up without food and water naturally increases, contributing to the chaos and infections that run wild in Africa right now.

      Oh bravo! By saving the lives of children you contribute to the problem... so how to solve this? cull the population down to a more manageable size. Now there's a solution that's not been tried before!

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    5. Re:Sorry by turbotroll · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That first link was interesting to me, right till I read:

      So how do we know when help is either selfish or unselfish? How can we be sure that Bono, Madonna, Al Gore and Bill Gates are just rich swindlers? If we're honestly interested in helping someone, we do this best by solving their problem. Pumping in more money from the West does not solve the poverty of the Third World. Bono Loves Himself. In fact, the Western aid actually serves to increase poverty, by keeping generations of starving children alive - children that natural selection otherwise would take care of. Thus the number of people growing up without food and water naturally increases, contributing to the chaos and infections that run wild in Africa right now.

      Oh bravo! By saving the lives of children you contribute to the problem... so how to solve this? cull the population down to a more manageable size. Now there's a solution that's not been tried before!

      I merely suggested the reading and never stated I fully agree with those articles.

      But still, the fact is that all efforts to feed hungry people, in Africa and elsewhere, leave only even more hungry people. Obviously many of them insist on mindless breeding even while starving. How would you exactly address this problem humanely?

    6. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, they aren't even human beings to you are they. You only view this as more of an animal control problem, right?

      I hate this despicable viewpoint where people like you think that helping a hungry person will only make the problem continue, so the most 'humane' thing to do is to allow them to starve. Bono is a fucking prick. I have no doubt about that. But people like you don't have 1/100th the human decency that he has.

    7. Re:Sorry by yacoob · · Score: 5, Informative

      Mr. Williams should read up on his stories.
      http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/bono.asp

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    8. Re:Sorry by eggy78 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sure I'm not the only one who was reminded of South Park (even before your comment)... Bono Is Crap

    9. Re:Sorry by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sometimes that command can result in some interesting sounds though. Bono never does.

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    10. Re:Sorry by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Informative

      I merely suggested the reading and never stated I fully agree with those articles. But still, the fact is that all efforts to feed hungry people, in Africa and elsewhere, leave only even more hungry people. Obviously many of them insist on mindless breeding even while starving. How would you exactly address this problem humanely?

      Don't be put off by the kind of do-gooders who have a heart but no brain. They are in fact the ones who are responsible for creating the whole mess. But just for their edification:

      It is well-recognized now that "foreign aid" in the form of shipping food, medicine, etc. to starving populations has done little but exacerbate the problem. As the guy stated (and this is a fact, which has no respect for whether you feel it should be true), those traditional forms of foreign aid did in fact do exactly what he stated. This is nothing more than a real-world example of the old saying, "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime." Except what really happened is a slight modification of that: "Give a man a fish and since he is now healthy he fathers a child he can't feed by himself either..."

      It doesn't matter whether you people like that situation or not. It exists. And doing more of the same will just get you more of the same.

    11. Re:Sorry by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I should add that the obvious solution is not to feed those people for free, but to change their situation so that they can feed themselves. In some cases that might mean relocation. In some cases that might be education. In other cases maybe both. But the problem won't be solved until native populations can feed themselves sustainably.

    12. Re:Sorry by aix+tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The sad part is, that a lot of farmers that could have feed their communities are pushed out of business by cheap subsidized food produced by the same western countries that then also have to send food aid once local farming has collapsed completely.

      Everybody looses, except the big industrial food companies.

    13. Re:Sorry by ClosedSource · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's well understood that raising the standard of living in a country brings down its population growth rate.

    14. Re:Sorry by Reziac · · Score: 4, Funny

      Another corollary:

      Give a man a fish today, and tomorrow he demands, "Where's my fuckin' fish??"

      Meanwhile, his nets rot on the beach.

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    15. Re:Sorry by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Mr. Yacoob should read up on what Mr. Williams does for a living and why he was on Mr. Letterman's show.

    16. Re:Sorry by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Robin Williams 'recycles' other people's jokes. The people he steals from don't seem to mind much, maybe because he does it better than Mencia.

    17. Re:Sorry by Haymaker · · Score: 2, Funny

      cull the population down to a more manageable size. Now there's a solution that's not been tried before!

      Sounds like a pretty modest proposal to me. I wonder why people in Ireland haven't thought of it before.

    18. Re:Sorry by Dalambertian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I merely suggested the reading and never stated I fully agree with those articles. But still, the fact is that all efforts to feed hungry people, in Africa and elsewhere, leave only even more hungry people. Obviously many of them insist on mindless breeding even while starving. How would you exactly address this problem humanely?

      Don't be put off by the kind of do-gooders who have a heart but no brain. They are in fact the ones who are responsible for creating the whole mess. But just for their edification: It is well-recognized now that "foreign aid" in the form of shipping food, medicine, etc. to starving populations has done little but exacerbate the problem. As the guy stated (and this is a fact, which has no respect for whether you feel it should be true), those traditional forms of foreign aid did in fact do exactly what he stated. This is nothing more than a real-world example of the old saying, "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime." Except what really happened is a slight modification of that: "Give a man a fish and since he is now healthy he fathers a child he can't feed by himself either..." It doesn't matter whether you people like that situation or not. It exists. And doing more of the same will just get you more of the same.

      Not to sound melodramatic, but this is probably the most terrifying sentiment I've heard on /., and it disturbs me that I'm hearing it more often. The problem is that government-run foreign aid is done in an inefficient/unsustainable manner. You are arguing that because of this, nothing should be done at all. I would argue a different approach to the problem:

      You should know that most of the places we are talking about are farming villages and were sustainable until *someone* fucked up their water supply. Manpower is required in order for the village to sustain itself, which requires workers. The easiest way to get new workers is to make babies and raise them, so the argument for eugenics is not only unethical/immoral, it is also economically unproductive. I know you probably don't believe in eugenics, I am just noting it for those who do, but I digress. In many cases, the problem comes down to providing a clean source of water. This is why my church sends engineers, not money, not water bottles, to places like these in order to dig and install wells that produce clean, drinkable water. In 2007, they dug 11 wells in Liberia (sometimes hundreds of feet deep), helping an estimated 8,000 people http://www.adventconspiracy.org/water/2007_projects/ The result has been that the children have stopped dying and these villages can actually prosper. Try as I might, I'm having trouble finding reasons why this was a bad idea, but feel free to educate me.

      While this effort happened to be run by a religious organization, I do not believe efforts like this have to be faith based. I am simply saying that there are cheaper and more efficient ways of helping people. It should be the job of governments to find such solutions. Since governments are very good at finding the least efficient ways of solving a problem and there are often not enough short-term profits for private companies to get involved, it seems that a purely altruistic approach can be effective, at least in this case.

    19. Re:Sorry by Macrat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Feed and clothe the starving orphans in Africa so they are healthy enough to be recruited into military factions to repeat the cycle.

      Profit!

    20. Re:Sorry by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While this effort happened to be run by a religious organization, I do not believe efforts like this have to be faith based.

      What this world needs is a good secular church, small groups of like-minded people with branches everywhere. All the community, all the good works, but without the need to posture to some anthropomorphic personification of the universe, a bearded thunderbolt-hurler, or any involvement with volcanoes.

      Although I believe that Sturgeon's Law applies to all religions, I think the small charity-oriented churches that followed the development of Western civilisation worked well in filling the gap between family-sized organisations and government-sized organisations, and that gap is mostly empty today (largely due to the aforementioned Sturgeoning that happens when the memes of an organisation die).

      Yep, a secular church. Maybe call it the Church of Imagine meets Wavy Gravy. Offer spaghetti bolognaise as a sacrament if you must.

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    21. Re:Sorry by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Interesting

      However, welfare has never increased anyone's standard of living over the long haul, as both the billions poured into foreign aid in Africa and our own welfare states can attest.

      Are you seriously claiming here that the standard of living in European states before introduction of welfare net was higher than it is now?..

    22. Re:Sorry by symbolset · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In Zimbabwe since 2002 they've been engaging in an innovative agriculture program: seizing farms owned by white farmers and turning them over to military lackeys who know nothing about agriculture. Surprisingly, yields are down.

      Zimbabwe was once a major food exporter to southern Africa. Now they can't even feed themselves.

      So yeah, the sad part is that lot of farmers that could have feed their communities are pushed out of business by thugs who then don't know what to do with the land.

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    23. Re:Sorry by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 3, Funny

      Spoken like someone who has never been starving.

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    24. Re:Sorry by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He is. It's the same sort of argument I'm seeing come from America where they say that having a national health provider will cause people to be lazy and not look after themselves. Of course, they don't look at countries like Australia that does have a national health scheme but people are by and large not lazy.

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    25. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I know! Just the other day I saw a small child on the news in Dafur, starving. I immediately thought to myself "You little fucker, competing for valuable oxygen!"

    26. Re:Sorry by Ltap · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that these conflicts are generally fuelled by foreign meddling (see, Italy's governance of Somalia before it abandoned it), and foreign aid generally are a patch on the problem without actually fixing it. Simply throwing food and money at people will not cause them to form stable governments, rein in crime and provide a social support network. While it does not, in an absolute sense, make the problem worse, it is basically the Western world's way of saying "See? I've contributed! I'm doing my part!" without delving deeper into the issues that causes this more-or-less self-perpetuating cycle.

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    27. Re:Sorry by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If that's a fact, let's seem some evidence.

      To quote a meme I created:

      [citation needed]

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    28. Re:Sorry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In 2007, they dug 11 wells in Liberia (sometimes hundreds of feet deep), (...) Try as I might, I'm having trouble finding reasons why this was a bad idea, but feel free to educate me.

      Very simple: The old wells dried up because ground water levels are dropping. These are dropping due to overuse, which in turn is caused by inefficient irrigation systems, unsustainable large cattle herds, etc.
      The solution "Build deeper wells" is no solution at all, especially if it allows the villages to "prosper" in the old ways and consume even more water.

      Caveat: I know that this is true for most Countries neighboring the Sahara desert, but am not familiar with the situation in Liberia itself - I hope for those villages that it is different.

    29. Re:Sorry by HanzoSpam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to sound melodramatic, but this is probably the most terrifying sentiment I've heard on /., and it disturbs me that I'm hearing it more often.

      If you're hearing it more often, it might be because more people are starting to realize it's true.

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    30. Re:Sorry by xaxa · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have a link for Zambia's textile industry collapsing as it can't "compete" with donations: here. It's from 2000, and I've seen more recent articles, but I don't have time to look right now.

    31. Re:Sorry by bloobloo · · Score: 2, Informative

      If EWB didn't place arbitrary age restrictions on its volunteers, it might be more effective. I'm an engineer, but I'm too old to participate in their projects. I'm not even 30 yet.

    32. Re:Sorry by DMiax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They are human beings and you are melodramatic. By your reasoning slaughtering ten children to feed other ten would put me above critics...

      Food aid is usually paid by international funds to western corporations so that the money never really leaves the developed world. In turn the corporations like Nestlè send to the starving countries their exceedings that are usually poor quality or expired. This way they make a net profit on the good will of others, and simultaneously undermine the foreign country economy.

      This is simply to say that how you help someone is of the utmost importance. Failing to see the consequences makes you an idiot, ignoring them makes you an evil prick.

    33. Re:Sorry by flyneye · · Score: 3, Insightful

      S'alrite, I don't recognize him as Irish. I recognize him as an industry baby suckling at the teat of big money. He will say and do anything to get himself noticed ( insert himself in foreign politics without a clue or thought and fulfill Voltaires premise that " anything too stupid to be said is sung", but then say it anyway.) ,like a good little industry attention whore.
              He owes the industry big for all the $ that went toward promoting his mediocrity as starstuff, so they probably pissed in his ear the volume of his spew.
              No I don't see him as an Irish problem, he is all our problem. We could start a charity to prevent the spread of U2 amongst the young, who still have a chance to live a full life free from music industry/ socialist blather. Won't you give? We can save the world. Help prevent U2 in our lifetime.

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    34. Re:Sorry by Russell+McOrmond · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime."

      You forgot the real issue here, which is that Bono, Gates and similar pseudo-philanthropists are actively involved with making a variety of "teaching" (sharing of knowledge) expensive and/or illegal. This is the core of what Bono is ranting about this time, suggesting the world's governments should go as far as the human rights violations in China to (theoretically -- no proof of "benefit") grant him more money.

      There are those who think that making knowledge scarce, including criminalising private citizens owning and controlling their own communications technology, is the only way to make it possible to pay authors/inventors for their important contributions to society. This ignores all the experience and research to the contrary. Whether you believe this or not, you must admit that deliberately making knowledge scarce and thus more expensive greatly harms the interests of the worlds poor.

      Sharing: the way to Make Poverty History.

      The repercussions of deliberately making knowledge scarce will be an underlying issue that will show up in many global conflicts in the next decade, whether talking about poverty, western economic recovery or global climate change.

    35. Re:Sorry by Dalambertian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In this case the wells didn't dry up. They were getting their water from local streams that had become contaminated. Children were dying from dehydration due to diarrhea. In this case, they needed a naturally filtered water source that wasn't open to the air, hence the wells.

  2. We are better off without such charitable people by unity100 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    such kind of people harm society in multitudes of ways than they support it with their charities. imagine - this guy practically wants everyone to be tracked. totally oblivious to the danger that any and all governments or private interests can use tracking technology to suppress online dissent, any kind of dissent, even himself, expressing opinion that would conflict with the government in future. put this risk on the other side of the counter opposite of his charity ... a huge imbalance.

    no sir. we are better off without such 'charitable' people. go fucking die in a corner, bono. you are little different than a charitable frenchmen advocating absolute monarchy in 1789.

  3. This came after... by iamapizza · · Score: 5, Funny

    This came after Bono spent hours searching for his music on torrent sites. Apparently he still hasn't found what he's looking for.

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    1. Re:This came after... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apparently he still hasn't found what he's looking for.

      Whenever I think about Bono, the first thing that comes to mind is South Park's portrayal of him as a 5'10" walking, talking turd.

      Bono is proof positive that it's easy to be a renowned global humanitarian when you are richer than God. I wonder how much attention he'd have paid to world hunger, charity, global climate change, etc etc if he hadn't been lucky enough to meet Brian Eno and Daniel Lanois and he'd ended up as an Irish bricklayer playing weekends in a Duran Duran cover band.

      I mean, good for him for trying to do something he thinks is good, but when he starts crying about losses of income from people downloading music, you realize he's just another bloated celebrity who thinks he's special in the eyes of god for winning the pop-star lottery.

      I'm gonna go back and watch that South Park episode right now, where Randy goes for the record for the biggest bowel movement, and goes up against...well, I won't spoil it for you. And, since apparently Comedy Central seems to have learned what Bono has not, I can do it legally, and for free, at SouthParkStudios.com.

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  4. From Wikipedia by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Bono lives in Killiney in south County Dublin, Ireland, with his family and shares a villa in Èze in the Alpes-Maritimes in the south of France with The Edge, as well as an apartment at The San Remo in Manhattan and a small house in the quiet village of Middleton Cheney, England."

    Yep. He's really hurting.

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    1. Re:From Wikipedia by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From the paragraph just before the Slashdot summary quote:

      A decade’s worth of music file-sharing and swiping has made clear that the people it hurts are the creators — in this case, the young, fledgling songwriters who can’t live off ticket and T-shirt sales like the least sympathetic among us — and the people this reverse Robin Hooding benefits are rich service providers, whose swollen profits perfectly mirror the lost receipts of the music business.

      ... and the sentence immediately after it ...

      Note to self: Don’t get over-rewarded rock stars on this bully pulpit, or famous actors; find the next Cole Porter, if he/she hasn’t already left to write jingles.

      So he's worried about the new guys who haven't made it yet, not himself. If you'd bothered to RTFA you'd know that, but hey, somebody is expressing concern for a future in which the next Bono never makes it thanks to rampant piracy. Obviously he must be an idiot!

    2. Re:From Wikipedia by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I read that portion of TFA and what he conveniently doesn't mention is that lesser-known artists get some benefit from the increased exposure by having their songs available to millions. By just ignoring any positive effects of file sharing, he's oversimplifying the problem and inviting the very criticism that the preceding poster commented on. File sharing hurts acts like U2, not necessarily the lesser known artists.

      Also, look at the chart in this article. It clearly shows that revenue from live acts is increasing, which goes directly to artists. Couple that to the second chart that shows that revenues to actual artists in the UK are increasing, you can safely make the conclusions that the ones who are suffering under the internet are the labels, who are (were) the distributors of content, NOT the artists.

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    3. Re:From Wikipedia by calmofthestorm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Similar to how home taping killed the television industry after VCRs came out. Good to see such a prominent musician rallying us all to the banner of anti-piracy by any means necessary.

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    4. Re:From Wikipedia by fearlezz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bono can only afford 5 houses because he doesn't pay tax like anyone else does. Funny how someone stealing from his own country can critisize people that don't even steal, but copy.

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    5. Re:From Wikipedia by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Obviously he must be an idiot!

      Well, at least that part of your comment is true.

      Do you really believe that the reason "young, fledgling songwriters" can't make ends meet is because too many people are downloading their music?

      Son, there was a time before you could download music online. There was a time before you could copy CDs. There was a time before you use a cassette recorder to tape songs off the radio. There was even a time before you could xerox a piece of sheet music.

      And you know what? Even way back in those neolithic pre-Napster days, "young, fledgling songwriters" didn't have a vessel in which to micturate. If you could wave a magic wand tomorrow and there were no more illegal filesharing, do you think that all of a sudden "young, fledgling songwriters" would become financially secure? That music industry executives and magnates from the entertainment/industrial complex would slap their collective forehead and exclaim, "Say, we really need to start paying struggling young artists what they're worth instead of using them like toilet paper! And let's do that immediately after we're done making sure we give Willie Dixon his share of the profits from Led Zeppelin II, OK?"

      It is not concern for the struggling artists that motivates Bono to care about filesharing and downloading, I assure you. Unless he's even more out of touch than he seems. No, rather it's the loyalty to the putrefying pyramid scheme to which he owes his villa in San Remo and castle in the Scottish Highlands. The same global scam that allows him to rack up the frequent flyer miles and tour with a band that's got a carbon footprint bigger than Beijing. The same flim-flam that allows him to get up on the dias with Nelson Mandela while pretending he's just "concerned about the planet".

      Shit, who's idea was it to bring up Bono and get me all worked up, anyway?

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    6. Re:From Wikipedia by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Copyrights are protected by law, but that is endangered if the community decides that to ignore it en masse.

      And? The government can only act legitimately with the consent of its people, is only empowered by us to grant copyrights in order to promote the progress of science, and should generally conform to the desires of its people unless there is an adequately important reason to do otherwise.

      If the community decides to ignore copyright en masse, then we shouldn't have copyright, or at least should reform copyright to better conform to the community's wishes. (E.g. granting a copyright that could be enforced against non-natural persons, or anyone acting commercially, but not against natural persons acting non-commercially)

      The collapse of the leading record store chains within a few years of one another is an example of where the grey market led to a catastrophic loss of sales.

      Okay. Copyright is meant to encourage the creation and distribution of creative works when that otherwise would not occur, while minimally restricting the public, in scope and duration. It isn't meant to prop up record stores in particular.

      Personally, I am hoping for more instances of the former rather than the latter.

      So long as copyright law is tailored in such a way that it serves the public interest better than any alternative copyright law would, I'm happy. If lots of businesses can thrive under those circumstances, then that's great; I'm happy for them. If not, then I can't say I'd shed a tear.

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    7. Re:From Wikipedia by blarkon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bono is at the extreme end of the curve when it comes to compensation for artistic output. He gets attention with what he says because of that. Someone who was in the middle of the artistic compensation curve was complaining about their work being pirated wouldn't be newsworthy (or would be newsworthy in a "streisand effect" way by which people would pirate their stuff to find out who the heck they were to be complaining about piracy in the first place)

    8. Re:From Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That isn't exactly what's going on. What they did was move some of their business out of Ireland to The Netherlands because of the lower tax rate on royalties. It's tax avoidance (legal), not tax evasion (illegal).

      Actually, it wasn't so much a lower rate they were looking for as the fact that Ireland decided to cap the tax-free portion of royalties at $250000 euros. How any starving artist, such as Bono, is supposed to survive on a mere $250000 euros tax-free, rather than all of their hard-earned cash, is hard to understand. As we all know, it is only really after the first quarter million euros that artists are truly motivated to be creative.

    9. Re:From Wikipedia by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If a law is respected, though occasionally broken, there's no problem, e.g. murder being a crime.

      If a law is widely broken, yet even those breaking it agree that it is worthwhile, then that's not great, but it is acceptable, e.g. speed limits.

      If a law is disrespected by those who should follow it, and it is not agreed that it is worthwhile (whether at all, or at least in its present form), then it should be repealed or modified so that it is more acceptable, lest disrespect for that law spread, e.g. Prohibition, the disrespect for which led to increased corruption amongst public officials, violent crime, organized crime, etc.

      If a law is disrespected by those who should follow it, but it is sufficiently important, it may be appropriate for the government to force it on an unwilling populace, e.g. calling out the National Guard to help enforce desegregation.

      Personally, I think that copyright presently falls into the third category; it's potentially worthwhile, but the current law needs to be massively reformed in order to make it worthy of respect. If we keep going as we have gone, it will not only fail to be respected, but it will tend to drag other, more worthy laws down with it. So it's not so bad that people break the bad law; it's the side effects of this on other laws that are the problem.

      We don't have a directly democratic means of changing copyright law in the US; our federal government is a representative democracy. It would be great if we could successfully lobby to have the law changed quickly. However, we should expect and demand those we elect to office to pay attention to the public interest and to act to serve it without needing to be asked. An honest, competent legislator ought to be able to look at how much copyright law is ignored at present and understand that it needs to be changed so as to be worthy of respect.

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  5. Poor Starving Moguls by joeboomer628 · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is his latest humanitarian project.

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    JoeR
  6. Bono is an idiot... by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bono is an idiot to put it quite plainly. Does he not see that these treaties signed with underdeveloped nations to help them "defend" American businesses against "piracy" and patent infringement is exactly what is keeping them behind? If Bono would stop being such an egotistical asshole and actually look at the facts, he would see that eternal copyright and copyright treaties keep valuable medical information locked up from developing nations, valuable educational supplies from developing nations. Yeah, he seems willing enough to donate a few millions to "fight" AIDS but can't give up a bit of copyright in order to help the world as a whole? That isn't selfless, that is as selfish as you can get.

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    1. Re:Bono is an idiot... by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Informative

      Does he not see that these treaties signed with underdeveloped nations to help them "defend" American businesses against "piracy" and patent infringement is exactly what is keeping them behind?

      Really? You don't think it's the lack of education, lack of infrastructure, over-reliance on subsistence farming, and the general lack of business knowledge? Try to find a CEO in El Salvador with experience in streamlining a production pipeline, or find a CFO in Burundi who knows how to smooth out a cash flow. Running a developed economy is tricky business, and it takes a while to develop enough expertise, an experienced workforce, and a good infrastructure.

      Not being able to get pirated songs isn't what's holding underdeveloped nations back.

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  7. Bono... your math is wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think independent artists and creativity have flourished in recent years. The overproduced and overhyped "chosen" artists by the "Moguls" are mainly what's suffering. Madonna and Bono can kiss my ass if they think they are being "hurt" by downloads. They have made many times over the money they deserve for their media machines.

    If you are a good artist, people will pay to see you live.

    Let's go with a great band like Pink Floyd. I have bought about 10+ albums from them over the past 20 years. Millions of other people have as well. I work my ass off for $50K/year. They work their ass off too, and I would say that I am happy to give them a salary of $150K/year per band member. How much money would we as fans have to spend to make that happen. I can assure you it would be a FRACTION of what we have paid out of our pockets... and where does all that money go? Lining the pokets of those who had nothing to do with the art or us listening to it.

    Bono has lost touh with reality and his fans... as he gets older I don't expect him to get more clue.

    1. Re:Bono... your math is wrong... by Delkster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Would you be ready to award the CEO of a major company a salary of more than $150k per year? Or other really successful people in really successful businesses? It's more honest to compare hugely successful artists and bands to other hugely successful people than to (more or less) Joe Commons, even Joes who do work their asses off.

  8. Is there anyone left on this planet ... by Aim+Here · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... who doesn't yet think that Bono is a sanctimonious hypocritical, posturing, corporate shill who is always willing to suck up to any big businessman or politician he can grab a photo opportunity with, no matter how venal?

    Just askin'

  9. Bono wishes his music was good enough to pirate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seriously. I wouldn't even waste my neighbors free bandwidth to download anything U2 has put out in over a decade...

  10. But.. but... think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you steal music, these gentlemen couldn't afford to be charitable because they couldn't buy the fifth plane or sports car.
    So, next time you steal music or movie, think of the children you take the food away.

    1. Re:But.. but... think of the children! by Curtman · · Score: 4, Funny

      As far as musicians go, Bono is absolutely great at feeding starving children. Next time you suggest I should pay money for a U2 album just so Bono can keep doing that, think of my foot kicking you in the nuts.

  11. Sigh ... copyright does not encourage creativity by 2TecTom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sure Bono, and for the alternative perspective, how about Janis Ian's? "The Internet, and downloading, are here to stay... Anyone who thinks otherwise should prepare themselves to end up on the slagheap of history." ~ http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.html

    Personally, I wonder how much music has been lost and locked up bu the music industry? Or how many musicians don't own their own songs? Or how many CDs were never cut, remain unreleased or are locked up in out of print limbo land? How many fat cat executives live it up while new talent can't pay the rent? and so on and so...

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  12. Note to Bono: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Note to Bono: EAT A DICK.

    The process of doing so will further require that you remove your head from your ass, so that should improve your ability to perceive reality at the same time.

    The biggest problem facing most "small independent artists" is not people downloading their songs - it's NOBODY downloading the songs. Most (95%) of the 100k+ albums released every year sell less than a hundred copies; the problem for most of these artists is that many of the traditional ways of discovering new music (radio, CD stores) have been bought up and monopolized by the majors. While the new media channels are available to everybody, getting "eyeballs" (OK, "ears") is still the hardest part.

    Put another way: most "small independent artists" would love it if enough people were interested in their music to upload a torrent to TPB - at least then, *somebody* is listening.

  13. Artists are actually making more money... by Anik315 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Artists are actually doing much better since the dawn of the Internet because of increased ticket sales from live performances, and box office sales are better now than ever. I highly doubt illegal downloading contributes very much to lost revenue since a very small percentage of the people who download illegal media would actually buy the product.

    1. Re:Artists are actually making more money... by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Artists are actually doing much better since the dawn of the Internet because of increased ticket sales from live performances

      What if they don't want to perform live?

      If they don't want to be performers, they can become accountants, or whatever other profession they choose.

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      You can't take the sky from me...

    2. Re:Artists are actually making more money... by mliu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not, but it's probably also tilting at windmills to complain about it.

      And in regards to not just complaining, but pushing for legal changes, why is it perfectly acceptable to treat everyone, including the innocent, as a criminal in order to protect an outdated business model?

    3. Re:Artists are actually making more money... by Lorien_the_first_one · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think Radiohead answered that question rather well when they released In Rainbows.

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    4. Re:Artists are actually making more money... by BumpyCarrot · · Score: 2

      If they're in a genre where they produce music expressly to be played back and not performed live, maybe they ought to connect with the DJs directly. I'm under the impression that this is mostly how electronica/dance/DnB acts get started as it is.

      And let's face it. The remainder that you're talking about is mainly comprised of pop acts. Which is tantamount to piracy anyways, these days.

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    5. Re:Artists are actually making more money... by dangitman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, the answer is... what? If you're a massively successful band, you can still make money from a highly anticipated album if you make payment optional? Yeah, I don't think that has very broad relevance.

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    6. Re:Artists are actually making more money... by Lorien_the_first_one · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The point with Radiohead is not what you pointed out. Yes, they're a big band with a worldwide reputation. But they simply asked for what the market will bear and still made more money off of that album than any single project they did with a label (straight from one of their interviews). There will always be people who want to pay zero and there will be, I think, a majority that will be willing to pay something.

      And as you've probably noticed, enforcement is really difficult so some other financing regime for performers will eventually surface. Hopefully, it's a good one.

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      The diversity and expression of human opinion is essential to human survival.
  14. Either he doesn't get it, or he doesn't care... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Informative

    He managed to choose two analogies. One poor, the other extremely sinister.

    Kiddie porn: A terrible analogy for online copyright infringement. Child pornography, possession or production, is always illegal. No "fair use", no parodies, no commentaries, no educational purposes, etc. Plus, it isn't all that popular. Online violation of copyright law is probably about as popular as ordinary pornography, not some obscure niche thing. In terms of police resources per unit kiddie porn, the porn is vastly more heavily policed(and, given the number of times that a computer search of somebody suspected for other reasons will discover some kiddie porn, it looks like our "content tracking" efforts aren't actually doing so well).

    Great Firewall of China: Chinese "content tracking" is a huge(and probably fairly expensive) initiative, encompassing a substantial state censorship apparatus, a large amount of technical infrastructure, huge market distortions(notably, the enthusiasm for self-censorship among web companies that is created by the state's ability to just eliminate access to any of them, at any time, without comment or justification), and substantial support from private-citizen snitches.

    Either Bono is just a fucktard, and hasn't really though this through, or he is willing to go to some very unpleasant places to protect his precious "content".

    1. Re:Either he doesn't get it, or he doesn't care... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Kiddy porn is a poor analogy but it is an extremely effective one to associate with whatever it is you hate. In the eyes of the general public, reasonable arguments regarding DRM, privacy, probable cause, innocent until proven guilty, or any human right, vanish like a fart in the wind whenever someone mentions kiddie porn. When someone plays that card, sniff around a little and you'll like as not smell a rat.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    2. Re:Either he doesn't get it, or he doesn't care... by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe we should use this unthinking, reactionary behavior against the enemies of society instead?

      "DRM is like kiddie porn. No one in their right mind would want it on their movies and music if they knew what it was, and despicable old men in suits get off on it. Just say 'NO' to DRM."

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    3. Re:Either he doesn't get it, or he doesn't care... by stimpleton · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Years ago I ran a parody website in my smallish town. My coup-de-etat was my "paedophiles-hang-their-six-packs-of-yogurt-on-the-side-of-their-supermarket-trolley" expose. I quoted a fictional study, used actual photos with the censor strip over the face, and mock interviews with supposed paedophiles that all hung the yogurt on the side of their trolley. The local newspaper picked up the story. Apparently the incidents of the six packs *in the trolley* went thru the roof according to my checkout friend.

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  15. Why are we always in defense ? by unity100 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why are we waiting for a lackey of the copyright industry to make a shitty comment or release a dubious 'research' in order to take any action ? Why arent eff and similar organizations taking the initiative and producing research, education and publicity in regard to new ways of the digital age ?

    its just stupid. we are just waiting. some idiot lays an egg, and we all go after to cleanse the resulting shit. instead we should be moving forward.

  16. What is it about the "Bono" name? by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Tell him to go skiing, really fast.

  17. fundraiser! by tommeke100 · · Score: 2, Funny

    how about he does a fundraiser with Metallica to save the artists in need!

  18. Re:We are better off without such charitable peopl by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's hard to argue against control of the internet without appearing pro-piracy, and worst, pro-child pornography.
    And that is just what governments want, because the internet is our best tool so far, for keeping government in check.

    Once the mechanisms of control are in place, everything is screwed. I just wish the internet had had a few less single points of failure, and a lot more encryption built it; but then who could see that far ahead.

  19. Hypocrites by c0mpliant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your indignation would be a lot more interesting to me if it wasn't so covered in crap.

    Everytime U2 are on the verge of releasing an album, they leak it online so they can have a story about their album being 'stolen' before its released and get a brick load of free publicity from the subsequent news stories. Its amazing how they're able to use the internet to their advantage while still being able to call it a disgrace!

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  20. Bono supports totalitarianism by pydev · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, Bono would like to turn the US and Europe into totalitarian states in order to make sure people like himself can keep making millions with unreasonable copyright terms and restrictions.

    Some humanitarian!

  21. If this is what it takes to save music... by svirre · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...then I guess we should let music die. Music and other entertainment is not important enough by far to trade away privacy and freedom. I don't care for piracy, but I recognize that only by having complete control of what people communicate and hence their freedom of expression would it be possible to quell piracy. I hope most thinking humans would agree that this is too high a price to preserve the profitability of music.

  22. By the numbers by mliu · · Score: 5, Informative

    I really wish that newspapers would cite their information so we could understand what they're basing their claims on.

    Looking at the US government's Bureau of Economic Analysis Numbers, they seem to paint a very different picture than what he suggests:
    http://www.bea.gov/industry/gpotables/gpo_action.cfm?anon=343982&table_id=24753&format_type=0 [bea.gov]

    The line for Motion picture and sound recording industries has been constant from 2003-2007 (with information from 2008 still not entered) at 0.3%.

    Bono claims, "music, film, TV and video games help to account for nearly 4 percent of gross domestic product". Assuming no tectonic shift in profits, that would suggest that video games are producing nearly 3.7% of GDP, but the line for all Publishing industries (includes software) floats at around 1% of GDP. So even including "real" software like Windows as well as books, we're not even close to 4%.

    Another factor which he neglects to consider is the scale of damage that would be done, both in terms of freedoms as well as innovation. Even if America and all of its best buddies were to enact this type of draconian censorship regime he advocates, I doubt that America's enemies would be as eager to join in. That would suggest a net effect of simply forcing innovation to move abroad to places that don't sign on or enforce. One of the few areas where America is truly a global leader still seems to be in Internet services. If foreign Internet services provide more to consumers that they want than American services, I don't doubt that American services on the Internet would be abandoned in a flash. While I don't discount the importance of the export of America's pop culture abroad, the price to protect outdated business models seems like a weighty one. Bono talks a lot, but I wonder how much depth he really puts into his thinking.

    1. Re:By the numbers by Minwee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The line for Motion picture and sound recording industries has been constant [...] at 0.3%.

      Bono claims, "music, film, TV and video games help to account for nearly 4 percent of gross domestic product".

      Apparently, Bono learned math from Verzion.

  23. He's a singer.... by tkrotchko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do people expect singers and guitar players to have a unique view on life for all of us to share?

    Imagine that a football player gave his view on copyright and innovation. You'd laugh. But a guy sings a song on the radio, and all the sudden his utterances appear in the NY Times?

    Crazy.

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    1. Re:He's a singer.... by Tsunamio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, singers have a direct stake in the system. They benefit from copyrights, and they are the innovators meant to be protected by it. Just because you haven't studied policy for years doesn't mean you don't have valid perspectives. Artists DO have a unique view to share! (on this issue, anyway; I don't mean to say that Bono really has anything important to contribute on the sexy cars issue)

      Of course the greater reason this is here is that it will move papers/mad clicks. If Tiger Woods wanted to give his view on copyright and innovation right now, you betcha the NYT would oblige him with an op-ed.

  24. As usual, no one reads the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's satire. Bono's tongue is so deep in his cheek he's practically gnawing it off. Go read the piece in question.

    1. Re:As usual, no one reads the article by grcumb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's satire. Bono's tongue is so deep in his cheek he's practically gnawing it off. Go read the piece in question.

      Er, no, it's really not satirical.

      Bono's trying to be witty, that's true, but what results is something the Flying Karamazov Brothers like to call a 'Joke-Like Phrase': It has all the elements of a joke, but it's just not funny.

      I'll accept that there's a fine line between making a mockery of oneself and actual satire, but in this case, Bono has managed to take a strong stand alongside the idiots.

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      Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
  25. Idea-expression divide by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if that was the case then people would probably contribute music for free, in much the same way they contribute to Wikipedia for free.

    There's a difference between ideas and expression. Wikipedia is made of facts, and it's fairly easy to produce your own original, Free wording of a given fact. It's also easy to use Google's full-text web search to find phrases that a contributor inadvertently or deliberately plagiarized. Music, on the other hand, is more pure expression, and any attempt to produce Free music will end up with some contributor accidentally inserting a sequence of notes that happens to match the hook of a non-free song. (See Three Boys Music v. Bolton for how that could turn out.) Google can't search MIDI sites yet, apart from song titles.

    Besides, Wikipedia is on the Alexa charts, but what Free album have you seen hit the pop charts?

  26. Re:Second that. by unity100 · · Score: 2, Informative

    yea. and how many future artists, and artists who havent made it big yet are going to make it big, in the future, if the current system of monopolized distribution continues ?

    they want to turn internet into a cable tv clone. please tell me how many budding young artists cable tv helped to make a break, or make a living, out of millions.

  27. Government not the enemy by microbox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And that is just what governments want

    That is wrong. The enemy is not the government but industry think thanks and public relations organizations.

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    Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
  28. Re:We are better off without such charitable peopl by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not sure the short-sightedness was political in this case. Rather who knew what the internet would become, or that 640k was not enough for everyone.
    You could argue that the problem is political/social vs technical, but there are some interesting overlay network topographies that I wish were standard.

    Imagine if, due to encryption and cryptographic addressing, the internet was all or nothing for any given nation. All that ever passed your ISP was an encrypted data stream.
    Oh how those in power would squirm.

  29. Re:Legal alternatives have also helped. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From what I read, sales for the more unknown artists who do not get as much airtime as the big stars are also up, especially online sales. And it makes sense, too.

    I don't mind paying for music. I don't even mind paying for music if the money goes to some rich asshole like Bono... he wrote it, he deserves to make a buck. All the music I've gotten during the past 10 years or so is from legal sources. Why? Not because I suddenly grew a conscience, but because the legal alternative is now almost as good as illegal sites such as AllofMP3, when it comes to quality and convenience. More importantly, many legal downloads are now DRM-free.

    I only wish the movie industry would do the same, and I'd gladly pay for a legal movie site like AllofMP3, with a choice of formats and compression rates, and no DRM. For once I actually agree with our government (in the Netherlands), whose stance on illegal downloads is that they will crack down on it, but not before the movie industry provides a reasonable legal alternative. And the current offering of streaming to proprietary players only, with no means to watch content on anything other than a Windows PC (no Popcorn Hours, no iPhones), is not acceptable by any standard.

    I don't think many musicians are hurting because of downloads (and there's plenty of research to back that statement up). I do believe that it's the established musicians like Bono and the record labels who are hurting, because their business model is a dinosaur from last century. Bono, pfft... he'd jump at a chance to flog a few records online before he made it big... and now he's made it so big that the great humanitarian decided that he doesn't want to pay taxes like the little people, and subsequently incorporated U2 in the Netherlands (which is a tax haven for foreign companies).

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  30. Re:We are better off without such charitable peopl by kjart · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What a fucking joke that this is +5 insightful. Yes, I do not agree with this opinion piece, but your wholesale dismissal of any good this person has done in their life and apparently wishing for them to die on that basis is absurd. I'm not naive enough to think that such morons don't exist on the internet, but lets try and maintain a higher standard here, please.

    Yeah, society would totally be better off without his work for Amensty International, AIDS awareness, Band Aid, Live Aid, etc. I'm sure you've done more than him, right?

  31. Let's be realistic, okay? by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bono is thinking about the future artist.

    Bono wants that future artist to be able to turn a profit by selling the rights to their artistic creations to a large corporation which will have absolute control of those rights indefinitely.

    And the only cost will be the "outing" of every political dissident anywhere in the world.

    Fuck you, Bono.

  32. How much is the RIAAA paying Bono to say this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think he might get some sympathy if it weren't for the RIAA...

    1. Trying to overturn the doctrine of first sale.
    2. Preventing artists from distributing their works outside the RIAA.
    3. Audits showing that the RIAA was 1000 times more likely to make mistakes in their favor rather than in the artists favor.
    4. Buying off congress for copyright extensions.
    5. Buying off congress for the DMCA.
    6. Trying to impose DRM.
    7. Running a litigation extortion racquet.
    8. Claiming copyrights for material that is not theirs.

    And a few others I'm sure I missed. The RIAA is the wrong structure for the internet and they know it. They won't be happy until they disrupt the internet.

  33. Re:We are better off without such charitable peopl by brianosaurus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't forget that he is equating downloading and listening to a U2 album with child pornography. One is a horrible abuse that I wouldn't wish on any child, and the other is child pornography. (sorry. poor taste). Bono is despicable, greedy douchebag for invoking child porn in order to fatten his wallet.

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  34. Re:Second that. by Teancum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If he was seriously talking about future artists or the small time artists that are trying to break into the musical big leagues, he would look far more seriously at why competitions like "American Idol" or "Pop Idol" have to be created in order to find the talent for tomorrow's music.

    There is something seriously broken in the music industry, and it isn't the "illegal music pirates" on the internet that is the problem. There really isn't a reasonable farm system any more for getting young and promising talent to move up without going outside of the system. Recording contracts are absolutely hideous and filled with clauses that keep any aspiring musician from being able to become a genuinely professional musician.

    Furthermore, there is a problem with groups like the RIAA, ASCAP, and other groups who supposedly are accepting licensing fees on behalf of these small time artists to actually pay up and get some money, any money, to this new and rising generation of musicians. The current royalty collection system only works for artists like Bono who are at the top of the game, and it is the little guys that get squeezed out in the process.

    I'll also want to respond to this statement:

    The only thing protecting the movie and TV industries from the fate that has befallen music and indeed the newspaper business is the size of the files. The immutable laws of bandwidth tell us we’re just a few years away from being able to download an entire season of “24” in 24 seconds. Many will expect to get it free.

    Last time I checked, a typical op-ed column or even an entire newspaper edition is an order of magnitude smaller than a MP3 file. If you add pictures and put it in a PDF file, it might be of comparable size.... to a single music file. I don't see the comparison here either. There is copyrighted on-line content that has subscribers, and those models work... as does advertising-based publications as well.

    The problem with the music industry isn't the freeloaders, but rather with venues for new musicians where the up and coming artists will actually get paid at all in the first place. Even if you "unmake" the internet, these new musicians won't be paid by the major record labels no matter how hard the new musicians work or try to find customers/listeners.

    A decade’s worth of music file-sharing and swiping has made clear that the people it hurts are the creators

    No, those who it hurts the most are the recording studio executives who no longer have a gravy train ride to profits, and somehow have to work to earn a living now. The old business models are broken and no longer work... because the world has changed. If you are creative, people will pay for music. They want to pay for good music, and there are many people who are actively looking for new musicians to support. The days that a recording executive in Hollywood might be able to cherry pick some random slob from an inner city ghetto and bring them to stardom through payola and graft with radio stations is over. They want to make their money off of vinyl or optical discs, and the world has moved on to other media.

    I'd much rather support some new and aspiring artist than folks like Bono. Unfortunately, when the government gets into the act, it is the old dinosaurs that get all of the money and they keep it from going to the new and upcoming musicians.

  35. Re:We are better off without such charitable peopl by MrBandersnatch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually "once the mechanisms of control are in place" we'll just work around them.

    All the internet has done for piracy is to make "content" accessible to more people, more convenient to use and easier to detect and monitor. Imagine for a second a world where all content was tightly controlled and their was no internet piracy, what do you think would happen? Would piracy stop? Would illicit information/data cease to flow? Nope, sorry, it would just move to higher bandwidth channel such as post and courier ("never underestimate the bandwidth of an envelope of microSD cards") and still move around the "user communities" in the same way it did 10-20 years ago.

    And even then, new technologies would spring up bringing us an "undernet", but one with lessons learned. Consider for a second just what the rather silent "wireless revolution" would mean if someone dropped something into the stack to attempt to route data via wireless networks only, and queue transmission in a similar manner to UUCP of years past...

    As they say, necessity is the mother of invention, perhaps the 21st centuries problem is going to be that we will *need* for so little but want so much...

  36. wow, Bono has no idea what he is in for by Dan667 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Music Lovers are still mad at lars and metallica for their attacks on Napster. Even now, metallica gets hounded online by people anytime they are mentioned as being greedy jerks who hate music.

  37. Re:We are better off without such charitable peopl by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's hard to argue against control of the internet without appearing pro-piracy

    And that's bad, because...? Fuck it, people, stop being scaredy-cats. Say it out loud: I do support piracy! I do support unbridled copying! In the deal of copyrights, we the people have been screwed real bad. It was supposed to be an incentive, to enrich the public domain. But nothing goes to the public domain anymore. Why play the game clean when they have the dice loaded against you?

  38. Fuck the revolution by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well said, recognising someone's good work does not mean you have to agree with everything they say, in fact you don't even have to like them personally. I don't agree with tracking files either but I do agree with him on a lot of other infinitely more important issues.

    There were very few Irishman with the balls to publicly denounce the IRA during the 80's. At a concert in Boston, he went into a rant about "irishmen who hadn't been home in 20yrs enthusiatically asking about the revolution" and ended the rant with "fuck the revolution".

    Boston was the main source of funds for the IRA and he was speaking directly to their sponsors, naturally the IRA responded with real death threats as opposed to the OP who mearly wishes him dead for his opinion on file tracking.

    Speaking of Band/live aid, I think the best refutation of the OP's attitude is the skeletal baby sitting in the dust who's photo was used in the first campaign was on stage as a healthy 21yo woman at the second concert.

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    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  39. Re:We are better off without such charitable peopl by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now, now... if Bono wants to compare the music industry with Child Pornographers and the RIAA with a tyrannical Government, who are we to argue with him?

  40. Tracking DNW; false positives. by emaveneau · · Score: 5, Informative
    Tracking doesn't work. I have a youtube video with background music specifically legally licensed from magnatune for use on youtube.

    Regardless, google/youtube flagged the audio and the dispute has been open for a month. In the dispute filing, I pasted the relevant text from the license and linked to it.

    The video itself clearly has a link to the artists site at magnatune (as required). So if any person were to intelligently go to the site and read the license or just read the dispute data I filed, the problem would cleary seen to be valid and legal.

    But I'm still waiting to hear back from WMG. The point I have is that Bono's technical suggestion to track everything will not work. In a very closed and controlled environment like youtube, the false positives are so numerous that legal content cannot be cleared and shared.

    Here's the license from magnatune (from link above).

    "If you'd like to use Magnatune music in a video that will be posted on YouTube, ... simply buy the album and use the music. ... you're required to include attribution of our music.

    .

  41. Re:It's simple, really by ClosedSource · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, we older people pay for content because it's the right thing to do. We also would rather not have home-made videos on youtube represent the highest quality entertainment available.

    Enjoy films like Avatar while you can. If your theory is correct, you won't be seeing anything on the cutting edge once the "old folks" stop paying for it.

  42. It's not just the free food, it's distribution by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not only does dumping free food depress the prices the farmers can get for what they do grow, thus making it not worth their while to try and feed themselves, but it doesn't address the problem they have without free food of getting what they do grow to market and storing it for bad times.

    We not only do harm by discouraging them from growing anything by undercutting their prices, what little good we otherwise do does not help them distribute what they would grow if we weren't discouraging them.

    It's a double whammy, the ultimate do-gooder example of the law of unintended consequences.

  43. Re:Bono's comments by ClosedSource · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Whatever happened to live performances and the "work ethic" of the tour? If singers and entertainers want to get paid, then they have to get out there and entertain."

    Apparently only the artists are required to be ethical, not their fans. What is the ethical argument for listening to music on a recording instead of paying to attend a live performance?

    Yes, we know young people don't have much cash but still like to enjoy music. It's OK. Just man-up and don't try to hide behind the skirt of a phony ethics issue.

  44. Re:Media moguls by Reziac · · Score: 2, Informative

    The movie moguls of yesteryear were equally interested in swindling their artists (which equates to actors, writers, etc.) out of their fair share. A few got rich but most were lucky to get paid at all. Studios have ALWAYS been creative at getting out of paying royalties, no matter the venue.

    It seems to be the nature of the industry, all the way back to the earliest productions (I remember reading something from Shakespeare's era about how when a play was put on the actors always got the shaft, and I doubt the concept of "creative financials" was new then either).

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    ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
  45. This sounds familiar by ClosedSource · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We had to destroy the village to save it.

  46. I don't know by ClosedSource · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Welfare has worked rather well for US corporations.

  47. Bono the greedy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I managed quite nicely before Bono and will continue without him. If I decide to donate monies to a worthy cause, I will do so directly, unfiltered or skimmed by Bono. I do not condone or support surrogate Philanthropists like Bono or Bill Gates, they only use monies bilked from their customers. This is not charity but extortion with a tax benefit.

  48. Re:It's simple, really by Mad+Leper · · Score: 2, Funny

    The only reason you have "free" stuff to download is because people like me are paying for it and in turn subsidizing your habit.

    When people like me disappear, there will be no media of any kind for people like you to download.

    Period.

  49. Re:We are better off without such charitable peopl by el_tedward · · Score: 2, Funny

    b-b-b-but with encryption, how will we keep the internet secure?? If I can't monitor every single packet moving through a node, how will I know if someone's attacking/?!!?!?

  50. Re:We are better off without such charitable peopl by brit74 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Meh. It's not that hard to defeat. You can: setup a computer as a honeypot - it serves up the "pirated" material people are trying to download and logging their IP addresses. You can write an application/custom installer that phones home. When pirates install some application, they're also notifying you that they just installed a pirated application. I'm sure I could come up with lots of other ways. "Oh how those in power would squirm." Yes, along with all the movie makers, musicians, software developers. You'd set back the creation of digital media in a big, big way if you undermine the creators like that.

  51. Re:Second that. by brit74 · · Score: 2, Informative

    "I haven't seen a failing music industry yet."
    Music sales are half of what they were in 1999, and still on a major decline. Here's a chart: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/the-death-of-the-music-industry/

  52. Profits... by YankDownUnder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, Bono, I'm sure you're more than happy to make statements about the media industry grubbing more profits than they've already grubbed from us - God forbid that the rich shouldn't get richer - all from a mediocre artist/musician that would have not gotten far without a huge record company's promotion in the first place - and Mr. Bono, as you so comfortably sit up there in "Richland" with the rest of the well fed, well taken-care-of, well paid pigs, we, the underdogs, the underpaid, the underfed - the BASE OF ALL ECONOMY - will plodge along and listen to your philanthropic banterings about the "less well off" and the "starving people". Too bad you can't just bloody retire and take what you've already raped - along with the RIAA and their ilk - and just sit back and live quietly without your pigish rants and demands for more money, more profits. Make what you make, make it honestly, and don't whinge. Why didn't anyone jump on this bandwagon back in the 60's and the 70's when folks were already taping music from the radio? Anyways, Mr. Bono, if you're such a good soul, cut your living expenses to $40AUD a year, give the rest to the starving, the waterless, the sick and the poor, and then I'll admire you. Better yet, give it all away, and start again from scratch...shouldn't be that hard if you're a really good musician...

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    YankDownUnder Veni, Vidi, volo in domum redire
  53. South Park by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    South Park gave us one of the more plausible representations of Bono (a floater and maker of floaters). The creators of South Park also let you download the shows for free, providing an illuminating contrast with Bono and his ilk.

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    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. - Voltaire
  54. Why do you hate Xenu? by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Funny

    All the community, all the good works, but without [...] any involvement with volcanoes.

    Why do you hate xenu so much? :(

  55. You're no expert, Bono by cheros · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't recall you having any basis in study for your uttering. Just because you got rich hopping around on a stage wailing into a microphone doesn't make you an expert in everything.

    No, all you have done now is discredited the good work you *did* manage to do.

    I do not steal music, but I am just as likely to be dragged into court as anyone else because the detection methods used by the RIAA are (a) flawed and (b) irrelevant - they are not interested in the conviction per se, but the chilling effect. Well, they have chilled two things: (1) my respect for the legal system, as I have seen it abused in many ways over the last 8 years and (2) my enthusiasm for buying music - I switched to web radio instead. In the last 5 years I have bought ONE (1) CD, and I know I'm far from the only one.

    You see, the RIAA idiots forget two things. Firstly, those they sue now would have been their future customers. Instead, by manipulating the amount of fines they will be denied a future. So, no future sales. Secondly, we age, which means what we like now is old tomorrow but we'll hang on to those records. Again, no new sales.

    Last but not least, there is another chilling effect. For someone who is so-called "creative" you appear to have a short memory, or maybe that has been bought by the RIAA as well? Any creativity has roots, has examples. I have seen fantastic new ways in which music has developed based on examples people grew up with and experimented with.

    What the RIAA is doing is chilling the experimental, the new growth. That leaves only the manufactured bands, with a few exceptions (when the singers accidentally have talent too) - and that is on the decline because it's unoriginal crap which requires (costly) marketing to sell. You could get a computer to make that stuff, and most sounds like it too.

    So it's not just a child that dies every time you clap your hands (did you stop clapping?) - it's also the market that gave you the money to change from a moderately interesting singer to an idiot used by politicians and sales droids, and I haven't failed to notice that quite a few things you have been promoted involved making more money for the parties involved (like "RED" - buy our stuff and we'll give a -small- percentage to the cause). Yes, money ruins a lot - U2, it seems..

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    Insert .sig here. Send no money now. Owner may sue, contents will settle. Batteries not included.
  56. A modest proposal by KyroTerra · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime."

    How unerringly true. Might I suggest that we take a new approach to the problem? Perhaps we can put our efforts toward removing the stigma attached to cannabalism. It seems to me that this could only result in a positive outcome for all parties involved. The hungry would be either fed or eaten and we would no longer have to be annoyed by Bono's calls for help.

  57. Re:We are better off without such charitable peopl by tthomas48 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because the majority of the people who make that content depend on it for their livelihoods and don't make much money. So while your argument might make sense when talking about a Disney movie from the 1920s, it makes almost no sense when referring to anything made within the last decade, which I have a hunch is the time period most people are pirating.
    I don't hear a lot of calls to go after people pirating Gershwin tunes.