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Man Uses Drake Equation To Explain Girlfriend Woes

artemis67 writes "A man studying in London has taken a mathematical equation that predicts the possibility of alien life in the universe to explain why he can't find a girlfriend. Peter Backus, a native of Seattle and PhD candidate and Teaching Fellow in the Department of Economics at the University of Warwick, near London, in his paper, 'Why I don't have a girlfriend: An application of the Drake Equation to love in the UK,' used math to estimate the number of potential girlfriends in the UK. In describing the paper on the university Web site he wrote 'the results are not encouraging. The probability of finding love in the UK is only about 100 times better than the probability of finding intelligent life in our galaxy.'"

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  1. Stunt by ls671 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Common, this is just a stunt in order to get his picture all over the net in order to find a girlfriend !

    He must count on the fact that girls will try to prove him wrong or that girls will be pleased to be the one in a million girl.

    Brilliant tactic although... ;-))

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    1. Re:Stunt by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      *sob*

      I knew there's a downside of my attempt to make painstakingly certain there's no pic of me on the web...

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    2. Re:Stunt by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 5, Funny

      No no no, this was a bad idea entirely. Now if he does find someone, he won't be able to tell her "you're the only one", he just proved there are 25 other women he would like to be with!

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    3. Re:Stunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      naw -- you're probably better off if they don't know what you look like.

    4. Re:Stunt by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wouldn't be surprised if the probability of a person finding a girlfriend is inversely correlated to how likely they are to attempt to calculate the probability of finding a girlfriend. ;)

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    5. Re:Stunt by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Hey, I want to settle down. And as soon as I find the right small group of girls, the seven or eight women who are right for me, my wandering days are over, buddy!"

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    6. Re:Stunt by MrNaz · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Drake Equation is the biggest load of BS to ever grace anything science related. It can be summarized thusly:

      P = ( Unknown [ (Unknown + Unknown) / Unknown ^ 2 ] + Unknown ) * F

      Where:
      F = Frank Drake's affinity for attention.

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    7. Re:Stunt by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Informative

      that "good data" doesn't help the equation, not when the last four multiplicands could be zero or any other number up to the number of stars (dead or alive) that radiate heat in the milky way.

    8. Re:Stunt by JustOK · · Score: 4, Funny

      psssst. I can get you 72 NICE women. Just take this package and deliver it to, uh, Michael. Yeah, Michael.

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    9. Re:Stunt by selven · · Score: 4, Funny

      Once again, life imitates xkcd

    10. Re:Stunt by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      Doesn't work either. You can't win with girls. Pay no attention to them and you won't get them, pay attention and all you get is a lawsuit for stalking and a restraining order... you just can't win.

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    11. Re:Stunt by CecilPL · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, at least they're less of a loser than the people who can't find a girlfriend through the internet.

    12. Re:Stunt by grh_angelone · · Score: 3, Funny

      At least it's better than being a non-fucking looser.

    13. Re:Stunt by cp.tar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Anyone who finds a girlfriend through the internet is a fucking loser.

      Unlike those who cannot find a girlfriend in any way conceivable, which makes them wanking losers.
      I’d rather be a fucking loser, if it’s all the same to you.

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    14. Re:Stunt by Rary · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anyone who finds a girlfriend through the internet is a fucking loser.

      Everyone who ever finds a girlfriend at all does so through social networking. Just like anything else in the world, adding "on the Internet" doesn't change anything.

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  2. wellll. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    What about...

    fraction of women who would find him attractive.
    fraction of women who are hetro/bisexual.
    fraction of women who wont think hes a dick for assuming love is as easy as guesstimating a few numbers.

    1. Re:wellll. by spiffmastercow · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course. That's where the AIDS came from.

    2. Re:wellll. by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 5, Informative

      Anybody can find a girlfriend. The question is, how difficult is it to find one that meets his criteria. If he's trying to find one that's super hot, enchanted by him, not a deranged bitch, and not in it for the money, then maybe his chances of finding alien life are actually higher.

    3. Re:wellll. by Associate · · Score: 3, Funny

      LOOK! ALIENS!!!

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  3. Where have I heard this before? Oh yeah... by Luyseyal · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is taken directly from this episode of This American Life with Ira Glass.

    -l

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  4. What are the odds? by newsdee · · Score: 3, Informative

    He should try lottery or SETI@Home next. From TFA:

    But in the end Backus defied the odds. Asylum reported that Backus has a girlfriend of about six months. "She's from London," he told the Web site. "And she meets all my criteria."

    Good for him, but not very good for his theory...

    1. Re:What are the odds? by tool462 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm thinking some of his numbers were off. Particularly his estimate of the number of women in the acceptable age bracket. He had 5%, but I'm betting it's more like 68% for your average person (+/- 1 standard deviation) and that's the combined concept of "people he would find attractive that would also find him attractive". The human race simply would not exist if you could only bring yourself to schtup 5% of the population and only 5% of those would let you. That already increases his chances by a factor of almost 300. That brings his odds back to 1 in 1000, which seems reasonable and realistic. Then factor in the number of women he can poll in his productive years in search of those 1/1000ths (compared to the number of planets he can poll for signs of civilization in his lifetime) and the odds of finding someone rapidly approach one. Which makes intuitive sense, since as I mentioned before, the human race still exists.

      The people who need to be worried are the outliers. The folks who are 2 or 3 deviations from the mean in terms of attractiveness (physically, mentally, emotionally, materially). Those on the high end may be forced to settle. Those on the low end may have to sample outside their species.

  5. Um... by thestudio_bob · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's the mathematical odds that he might be gay? (Not that there's anything wrong with that)

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  6. In Soviet Russia... by rwa2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...the chicks actually dig intelligent guys.

    Really.

    So do chicks from just about any eastern bloc country for that matter.

    1. Re:In Soviet Russia... by xtracto · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is a myth.

      I am currently living in ex-GDR where there are lots of "eastern bloc" countires. I've traveled to Bulgaria, Croatia and CZ and have good friends from Serbia and Syria.

      From this experiences, I have to agree with the other AC wo stated that chicks over there look for RICH and CONFIDENT guys.

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  7. Such garbage... by Taikutusu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    http://xkcd.com/384/

    Congratulations, you can google some numbers and stick them into a formula. You're brilliant, and it's oh so funny to come up with bullshit statistics like "only 100 times more likely than finding intelligent life in the universe".

  8. Ironically by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of the reasons he can't find a girlfriend is because he is one of those people who USE the Drake equation. But seriously, look at his Criteria.

    Backus found that of the 30 million women in the UK, only 26 would be suitable girlfriends for him. His equation looked at the total number of women in the country, then narrowed it down using relevant factors including the number of women in London; the number of "age-appropriate" women (those aged between 24-34); women with a college degree; and those who Backus would find physically attractive.

    Okay - so how do you POSSIBLY apply a statistical analysis on something as subjective as a womans physical attractiveness?

    1. Re:Ironically by Eudial · · Score: 3, Informative

      Okay - so how do you POSSIBLY apply a statistical analysis on something as subjective as a womans physical attractiveness?

      Just walk around with a notebook and walk around, writing down whether women you see are attractive or not. When you've seen 50-ish women, you've got a decent statistical sample.

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  9. Big Bang Theory by schnits0r · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wasn't this done on the big bang theory?

    1. Re:Big Bang Theory by Ilnmtlbnm · · Score: 5, Informative

      season 2 episode 20

  10. Re:This isn't gonna help. by _KiTA_ · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sounds like someone doesn't understand Statistics.

    Of course not! 90% of people don't, and 150% of people know that. Duh!

  11. This man is not studying in London by Goodgerster · · Score: 5, Informative

    He is studying at the University of Warwick, which is near Coventry. It is far away from London. He is "studying in London" in the same sense that all Californians are residents of San Francisco. Has FOX News' target audience never heard of any English city besides London?

  12. Re:This isn't gonna help. by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Love, too, is surprisingly predictable. Take two people who would not automatically rule each other out romantically, put them in frequent contact with each other, give each a significant need (sexual or not) that isn't being met in their life but is met through the other, and odds are surprisingly high that they'll end up in a relationship. And there are all sorts of actions that dramatically increase the odds. For example, confessing your feelings to another person tends to encourage them to reciprocate even if they hadn't had the feelings before. That's why the #1 and #2 rules for if you're trying to avoid having an affair are that if you develop feelings for someone else, immediately cut off contact with the person insomuch as is possible and *never* confess your feelings to them.

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  13. Re:idle by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    How does this in ANY way belong in the science section of slashdot?

    Right. Any story about a mathematician finding a girlfriend should be in the science fiction section.

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  14. Re:Looking at the criteria he used... by horza · · Score: 4, Informative

    Then he mentions he will only find 5% of "physically attractive" candidates. [snip] In other words, guy's too picky :-)

    When was the last time you were in London?

    Phillip.

  15. The Bundy Creed by gr8_phk · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hooters hooters, yum yum yum.
    Hooter hooters, on a girl that's dumb.

    What's all this education he's looking for?

  16. Maybe by CharlieG · · Score: 3, Funny

    Pesonally, I think he doesn't have a GF because he's the type of geek who thinks of explaining why he doesn't have a GF with the Drake equation

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  17. Seinfeld by istartedi · · Score: 4, Funny

    JERRY: Elaine, what percentage of people would you say are good looking?

    ELAINE: Twenty-five percent.

    JERRY: Twenty-five percent, you say? No way! It's like 4 to 6 percent. It's a twenty to one shot.

    ELAINE: You're way off.

    JERRY: Way off? Have you been to the motor vehicle bureau? It's like a leper colony down there.

    ELAINE: So what you are saying is that 90 to 95 percent of the population is undateable?

    JERRY: UNDATEABLE!

    ELAINE: Then how are all these people getting together?

    JERRY: Alcohol.

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  18. My own drake equation by scorp1us · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I work it in reverse. (And that does not mean "up the butt")

    For every 3 girls I talk to, I'll get one number.
    For every 3 numbers I get, I'll get a date.
    For every 3 dates I get, I'll get a 2nd date.
    For every 3 2nd dates I get I'll score.
    For every 3 girls I score with I will continue to date.
    So this means I'll actually have 1 in 243 chance of meeting a girl I like beyond just sex.
    Given that I date about once a week (on average) that mean every 4.6 years I'll be in a relationship.

    And checking my work, that works out to seem right.

    I *HIGHLY* recommend the book "Mathematics and Sex" which I believe I bought because of a /. book review...

    In it, it says 12 relationships is what you need to find your best match. Given 4.6 * 12, I'll be 56 before I find the one...

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  19. Similar calculation by Linknoid · · Score: 3, Funny

    I once did a similar calculation for my city of 200,000, and came up with an answer of approximately 2. At that point I concluded I would never find either one of them, and gave up.

  20. 2 is a subset of 1 by pem · · Score: 3, Funny
    I think you're on to something!

    Prove this, and I'll show by induction that all the positive integers are subsets of 1!

    We'll share the credit!

  21. Re:idle by Thinboy00 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How does this in ANY way belong in the science section of slashdot?

    Right. Any story about a mathematician finding a girlfriend should be in the science fiction section.

    Any story about the Drake Equation belongs in the SF section.

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  22. Re:So essentially by slim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Plus you might date someone you find averagely attractive, by the end of the night glimpse something about them that makes you like them more, and six months later think they're the most beautiful person in the world.

    They say familiarity breeds contempt, but sometimes it works the other way.

  23. same mathematical mistake as the financial crisis by peter303 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The mistake is presume that the factors are independent of one another. When you assume independence you can take the logical intersection of the probabilities which is multiplying less-than-unity probabilities together. You can obtain a rather small result choosing enough factors. But if the factors are correlated, the correct mathematics is the largest probability number. Both the astronomical conditions and girlfriend factors are correlated to some degree makeing the results less than valid.

    This is the identical mistake made valuating debt securities. The mathematical underpinning was that you can offload most of the risk into a "junk tranch" by assuming failures like foreclosures are statistically independent. By "drake equation magic", i.e. multiplying probabilities to obtain the group probability, the group risk appears rather small. Independence is a decent assumption during good economic times because economic failures are more individual luck or actions. But during a recession, economic failures are correlated, making the group statistical model invalid. The so-called good-risk securities turned into garbage and the junk securities became gold.

    I fear since a economics grad student does not understand probability like so many of his peers, this does not bode well for the future economy.