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Antitrust Case Against RIAA Reinstated

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "After Starr v. SONY BMG Music Entertainment was dismissed at the District Court level, the antitrust class action against the RIAA has been reinstated by the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. In its 25-page opinion (PDF), the Appeals court held the following allegations sufficiently allege antitrust violations: 'First, defendants agreed to launch MusicNet and pressplay, both of which charged unreasonably high prices and contained similar DRMs. Second, none of the defendants dramatically reduced their prices for Internet Music (as compared to CDs), despite the fact that all defendants experienced dramatic cost reductions in producing Internet Music. Third, when defendants began to sell Internet Music through entities they did not own or control, they maintained the same unreasonably high prices and DRMs as MusicNet itself. Fourth, defendants used MFNs [most favored nation clauses] in their licenses that had the effect of guaranteeing that the licensor who signed the MFN received terms no less favorable than terms offered to other licensors. For example, both EMI and UMG used MFN clauses in their licensing agreements with MusicNet. Fifth, defendants used the MFNs to enforce a wholesale price floor of about 70 cents per song. Sixth, all defendants refuse to do business with eMusic, the #2 Internet Music retailer. Seventh, in or about May 2005, all defendants raised wholesale prices from about $0.65 per song to $0.70 per song. This price increase was enforced by MFNs.'"

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  1. MFN? by orta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Its not exactly most favored nation, if there's no advantage to being so.

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    1. Re:MFN? by isThisNameAvailable · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The advantage is that you don't get screwed. It's not that you're going to be homecoming queen, it's just that you get to sit at the cool kids' table and no one shoves you in a locker.

  2. What about my stress level by colin_n · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Who is going to compensate me for my increased stress level from living in fear of being sued by the RIAA? If I had kids and I wanted them to behave, I'd just tell them stories about the RIAA coming to get them and financially ruin them.

    Don't jaywalk kids because the RIAA will come get you.
    Eat your vegetables so you can be strong to fight the riaa.

    Seriously though, I hate those guys.

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    1. Re:What about my stress level by ByOhTek · · Score: 2, Funny

      The point about boogy men is they aren't supposed to be real, that way once the kids get old enough, they don't have to live their lives in fear.

      Obviously the **AA groups are not suitable for this, because they are real!

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    2. Re:What about my stress level by Quantumstate · · Score: 5, Informative

      "This video contains content from Vevo, who has decided to block it in your country. "

    3. Re:What about my stress level by Snotboble_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "This video contains content from Vevo, who has decided to block it in your country.". FYI, I live in a pinko commie 3rd world country called "Denmark" :P Gotta love the "rights protecton" - whose rights..?

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    4. Re:What about my stress level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      why would you have an increased stress level due to the RIAA? Only people who are violating copyright on music would need to worry about that. If you've violated copyright then the stress is induced by you - so sue yourself. If you haven't violated copyright than any stress you are feeling due to the RIAA is a symptom of insanity.

    5. Re:What about my stress level by Dishevel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Rights are easy. It is always about the rights of the politicians in power to get more power. Every country is the same in that. The only difference is in how they approach their goals.

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      Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
    6. Re:What about my stress level by icannotthinkofaname · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When you're 5: "Sharing is a nice thing to do, kids. Don't be selfish! Hoarding your stuff makes you look like a huge jerk."

      When you're 25: "Sharing is an evil thing to do, citizen. It's not selfish! Letting other people use your stuff is illegal because it means I make less money. Pay no attention to the fact that my salary is an order of magnitude higher than yours!"

      WTF world! If sharing is evil, don't tell me when I'm 5 that it's nice!

      If I ever manage to have kids, I want to raise them to believe that sharing is evil. I will then note other people's reactions to the idea. If people are generally shocked and appalled that people could actually believe this, then I will use that as an argument to show why this BS that the RIAA believes in must be outlawed.

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    7. Re:What about my stress level by Gilandune · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think all nations except one are "Least Favoured Nations" in their eyes... (Mexico blocked too)

    8. Re:What about my stress level by Whorhay · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whether or not you are buying a license to listen to music or not is variously debateable depending on how you procured it. For instance if you go to any music store and purchase a CD album no where does it state that you are agree'ing to a license.

      Copyright is necessary in some ways to advance our culture and society, but the current state of copyright law is completely out of line with it's orignal intent.

    9. Re:What about my stress level by blackest_k · · Score: 2, Informative

      same here in ireland

      but lets get it clear who's blocking us
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vevo

      Vevo is a music video and entertainment website. It is owned by Sony Music Entertainment, Universal Music Group and Abu Dhabi Media Company.[1] The service was launched officially on 8 December 2009.[2] The video hosting for Vevo is provided by YouTube, with Google and Vevo sharing the advertising revenue.[3] Vevo offers music videos from three of the four major record labels, Universal Music Group, Sony Music Entertainment and EMI.[4]

      One of the reasons cited for the launch of Vevo is the competition that music videos have on YouTube. Warner Music Group apparently removed its content from YouTube in March 2009 for this reason, but is said to be considering hosting its content on Vevo.[5]

  3. Thanks again NYCL by zerocool^ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Thanks for keeping us in the loop NYCL.

    These seem to be serious allegations. I hope there's action taken this time.

    These deserve to be kept in mind:
    http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/ (Courtney Love Does the Math, from 2000 - looking at it now, oddly prophetic)
    http://www.negativland.com/albini.html (The Problem with Music, by Producer Steve Albini - great insight into the process of Major Label music)

    This is why we should care. I know that it's clichéd, but these companies care nothing about you, or about music, or about the well-being of the world in which they operate. They are wholly evil, in a way that almost no other business is.

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    1. Re:Thanks again NYCL by unixfan · · Score: 5, Informative

      At one point they also lobbied to get a law that would allow them to hack your computer and wipe out the content if they suspected you of having illegal music. Fortunately Congress did not agree.

    2. Re:Thanks again NYCL by Hurricane78 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I remember when I worked with a guy with good connections to all (then five) big music companies (who did all the deals for us, because he was an insider). He usually was on the phone with these big music managers, loudly joking, and setting up meetings of talking about deals.

      In the industry, it’s all about connections. A small group of people who know each other.

      And this was, how he once described the typical “business meeting” to me: (I think in this example it was the EMI boss.)
      He took the elevator to the top floor. The guy greeted him and offered him lines of coke as thick as your finger, on a mirror.
      Then he ordered some hookers. And then it was time for business.
      According to him, that was rather normal, and in no way an exception.

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      Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
    3. Re:Thanks again NYCL by DJRumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wasn't aware of the Courtney Love letter. That was an amazing read (many thanks). That begs the second question. Why haven't I heard of this letter before? The RIAA is an evil beyond typical corporate scams and money making. They have fingers in world wide political pies, and money to literally burn. The fact that a single group can exert so much power in political circles should be a huge wake up call to everyone, yet year by year goes by and only the 'geeks' and those affected voice their concerns. I think what's even more frightening is that they now do these things opening for the most part, and again no one pays attention.

      Slavery was abolished in the US, yet I don't see how these contracts differ in any significant way from slavery and servitude.

      Why is this allowed to go on?

    4. Re:Thanks again NYCL by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These seem to be serious allegations. I hope there's action taken this time.

      You mean you hope there's action taken if they are proven to be true, right?

      Due process applies to everyone, not just the people we like.

    5. Re:Thanks again NYCL by DJRumpy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And when the organization being sued is writing the very legislation that allows their actions? What then?

    6. Re:Thanks again NYCL by shaka · · Score: 2, Informative

      This! Kudos to Ray Beckerman for your tireless work, and everybody:

      Read Courtney Love's article! It's an amazing read!

      http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/ (Courtney Love Does the Math, from 2000 - looking at it now, oddly prophetic)

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    7. Re:Thanks again NYCL by csmass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why are banks allowed to keep you in debt for the rest of your life? The answer to both questions are almost the same, US citizens all suffer from some form of memory loss, that or the like to be lubed up and penetrated. You could argue, banks and RIAA both only serve to entrap people and take control of their lives financially, yet it would fall upon deaf ears.

    8. Re:Thanks again NYCL by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No-one in Ethopia is starving because of the RIAA cartel overpricing the latest fucking Jonah Bros CD.

      Yawn. The old "if it ain't as bad as the worst evil I can think of, you're just whining about it" argument. It remains invalid.

      Sure, these guys aren't murderers, most of them. They're still thieves on a massive scale (mostly from the "talent" they claim to be protecting). They're still willing to sue people into bankruptcy for bucking them. They'd still like to put people in jail for writing computer programs they don't like. They'd still like to ban entire classes of technology to maintain their profits. They're still evil, even if Idi Amin makes them look like pikers.

    9. Re:Thanks again NYCL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/10/47552

      1st hit on google "RIAA wants to hack computers". Stop being so lazy :p

    10. Re:Thanks again NYCL by CaptainSpankOMax · · Score: 3, Informative
    11. Re:Thanks again NYCL by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny

      I am officially quitting my job today. I am in the wrong line of work and am fixing that starting now.

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    12. Re:Thanks again NYCL by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thanks for keeping us in the loop NYCL. These seem to be serious allegations. I hope there's action taken this time.

      I don't have the slightest doubt that the allegations

      are true, and
      can easily be proven.

      If I were a betting man, I'd be betting..... settlement.

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    13. Re:Thanks again NYCL by Aphoxema · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Better than thieves, I'd compare them to child extortionists. They seduce young musicians with dreams of fame and money, make promises they'll never keep, then they bleed them dry of their efforts then cast them away when they are too frail too lift a finger. All the while, these people are kept illusioned that it is all to their benefit so that they never have the opportunity to learn a lesson from the experience.

      The cocaine off of strippers' asses isn't recreation, it's medicinal.

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    14. Re:Thanks again NYCL by sdstuart · · Score: 5, Funny

      You may want to rethink that. Becoming a hooker just to sleep with music executives isn't as glamorous as it sounds.

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    15. Re:Thanks again NYCL by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't have the slightest doubt that the allegations are true, and can easily be proven. If I were a betting man, I'd be betting..... settlement.

      The question of if the RIAA loses and if they make a settlement and on how favorable of terms probably has less to do with their guilt and the law than it has to do with who is running the show. The justice department is loaded with ex-employees of RIAA at the highest levels. Maybe that means they will know how to deal with these guys or maybe it means their buddies will get off with a slap on the wrist. Much of that may depend upon if Obama keeps his promises about not letting industry insiders provide favoritism to their friends from within his administration.

    16. Re:Thanks again NYCL by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't have the slightest doubt that the allegations are true, and can easily be proven. If I were a betting man, I'd be betting..... settlement.

      The question of if the RIAA loses and if they make a settlement and on how favorable of terms probably has less to do with their guilt and the law than it has to do with who is running the show. The justice department is loaded with ex-employees of RIAA at the highest levels.

      This is a private class action; it has nothing to do with the justice department. It would have to do with what the lawyers work out, whether class members object, and whether the judge approves of the deal.

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    17. Re:Thanks again NYCL by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but it carries more respect than becoming a senator to do the same thing.

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
  4. Interesting Points by Tisha_AH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is interesting to read the opinion. Conspiracy to fix prices, agreements to not compete against each other, all record companies refusing to do any business with certain companies.

    They are acting like a monopoly. This is what led to the breakup of Standard Oil back in the early part of the 20th century and the breakup of the Bell System into Baby Bells.

    This most favored nation (MFN) deal they have going and how all prices change in lockstep.

    Wow, it reminds me of how they eventually caught Al Capone. Not on running a crime syndicate but on tax evasion.

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    1. Re:Interesting Points by DragonTHC · · Score: 4, Interesting

      yet they were all found guilty of price fixing during the height of the CD era.

      Nothing has changed. They should be fined doubly for continuing this behavior.

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      They're using their grammar skills there.
    2. Re:Interesting Points by AmonRa1979 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the difference is that Al Capone DIDN'T pay off the right government officials. That's probably not the case here.

    3. Re:Interesting Points by castironpigeon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd mod up parent post if I had the points. It's great seeing a case like this take one small step forward, but unfortunately it's a bit like skipping through a minefield where the mines are politicians and public officials whose pockets are lined with MAFIAA money and the minefield ends miles away. I don't think we're gonna make it.

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  5. From the IRAA's point of view. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Speaking as someone who's very close to the RiAA this is what I have to say:

    You people have no chance! We own the Congress, we have more lawyers and eventually, NYCL WILL come over to the Darkside - it's only a matter of time.

    You little thieves just need to stop stealing our music!

    We now have factories in Malaysia, Indonesia, and Africa that produce music - all run by small children that are paid with barely enough food to live. We just hire good looking people to lip synch in videos and "live" shows. And then when they can't work anymore, we sell the little girls into prostitution and the boys are then trained to be our stormtroopers.

    So just shut up! I have to go. My stupid idiotic maid made my afternoon cocktail with the blood of kittens when I especially ordered her to make it with the blood of puppies!

    Courtney!

  6. Price fixing on CDs by locallyunscene · · Score: 4, Funny

    So they're finally calling them on the price fixing of CDs?

    I wonder if Hollywood Accounting could save them.

    1. Re:Price fixing on CDs by Sockatume · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They don't need Hollywood Accounting. Ask any musician how much money a record release actually makes them these days. It's clearly not a profitable business!

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  7. Re:RIAA has stopped Sueing by rootofevil · · Score: 5, Informative

    i think the point is that 1) all the record companies set the same price and 2) they all raised their prices together. these two facts seem to demonstrate collusion in the market. that being the case or not is up to the courts.

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  8. Why not pass along cost savings? by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can't [all major labels' simultaneous royalty] increase (approximately 7%) be explained by typical inflation and justifiably be expected every two years?

    Why doesn't it decrease as the cost of producing music decreases? Look at how much it cost to record an album in 1980 vs. now.

    1. Re:Why not pass along cost savings? by Znork · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because with monopoly pricing, the price isn't set in relation to the cost to produce but in relation to the consumers disposable income. You don't lower prices unless the cost of lost sales exceed the revenue lost by lower per-unit price (and sometimes not even then; costs seem to be notoriously difficult for companies to get rid of, basically only competitors undercutting them seem to get it done).

      So until copyright is replaced with a system working as a competitive market, you're simply not going to see any cost savings passed along; it would be economically incompatible with the fundamental structure of monopoly rights.

    2. Re:Why not pass along cost savings? by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I seem to remember that the DIY recording equipment available in 1980 was far lower fidelity and far lower capability than Apple GarageBand of 2010.

  9. Re:Echo by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ditto. Yes, this story makes me so happy, I'm willing to be a dittohead for awhile. Enjoy while you can! ;^)

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  10. Preventing oneself from stealing? by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You little thieves just need to stop stealing our music!

    Your labels also own music publishers, the companies that own copyright in the music and lyrics apart from the recording. If you provide us indie songwriters with an automated way to check any song we've written against these music publishers' catalogs to make sure we didn't screw up like George Harrison ("My Sweet Lord") or Michael Bolton ("Love Is a Wonderful Thing"), we might take you up on this offer.

  11. What will I get? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've bought hundreds of dollars in music (mostly online) over the last 5 years. If in fact the court rules that they have been fixing prices will I get any of that money back?

  12. rightly named clause by slashdime · · Score: 3, Funny

    Screw these MF's and their MFN's!

  13. Re:Why was I modded Troll? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not the price, it's the collusion. The labels are supposed to be in competition with each other. Slashdot has repeatedly recognized that the business of a business is to make money - by whatever means possible. Without collusion and general agreement in the backrooms and lounges, one or more labels might actually become convinced that giving away lots and lots of music is the true route to fortune. Baen Books has learned that lesson - especially with older books. They release an out of print book, FOR FREE, and people not only start asking for that book, but they purchase even more books by the same author, and/or in the same genre.

    In the case of the labels represented by RIAA, everyone is part of the Good Old Boy's club, everyone is in lockstep, with the same program, same menu, same tactics. They have a happy status quo, and no one is about to rock the boat with anything so barbaric as COMPETITION!!

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  14. Re:RIAA has stopped Sueing by T+Murphy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is there any means for artists to claim the companies colluded on contracts, royalties, etc.? I don't know any information there so it may be they were competitive enough to avoid any claims being able to stick, but knowing how bad it is for the artist I'm more concerned about fixing that before we make things better for the consumer.

  15. Anyone know any truly independent labels? by JSBiff · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It occurs to me that all it takes to break up a 'cartel' like this is one or two successful publishers who are not owned or controlled in any way by the existing publishers, and that such independent publishers are willing to really compete with the other labels to sign talent and publish music. The question is, are there any independent labels right now? I remember seeing a chart sometime ago which showed how a lot of 'independent labels' are really owned by the big music publishers, who just use those other labels to either serve niche markets, or create the illusion of having alternatives to dealing with them.

    Anyone know of any labels which really, truly, are independent, with which bands and music lovers might do business?

  16. How Will Judgements be Paid? by CodeBuster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thanks for bringing this to our attention NYC, but if you'll excuse the pun, we've heard this tune before. Suppose that the RIAA loses and is ordered to pay restitution, but instead of cash the court allows the RIAA and its members to "pay" by donating a selection of CDs or downloads of their choice (i.e. their choice of the worst selling items) while valuing them, for the purposes of the settlement, at "full retail" (even though almost none of them actually sell at that price in the real world). What will prevent them from offering an equally "useless" settlement payment, as they have been allowed to do in the past, again this time?

    1. Re:How Will Judgements be Paid? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Suppose that the RIAA loses and is ordered to pay restitution, but instead of cash the court allows the RIAA and its members to "pay" by donating a selection of CDs or downloads of their choice (i.e. their choice of the worst selling items)

      Don't bet on it. They can only get away with that shit once. It isn't the court that decided that last time, it was a negotiated settlement between the various state DAs offices and the RIAA. The DAs just didn't realize what sharks they were dealing with. I know this because an ex of mine was a junior DA from one of the smaller states on that case and she even got herself quoted in their local paper saying something to the effect of, "I'm sure the senior DAs from around the country will not allow the RIAA to wiggle out of this settlement." Its about 10 years later and that newspaper interview is still one of the funniest things I have to give her shit about.

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  17. Don't miss out kids! by Nazlfrag · · Score: 3, Informative
    1. Re:Don't miss out kids! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The whole process of watching the internet route around content protection in a matter of minutes, in an article about the RIAA getting sued.

      It's like my birthday suddenly was Christmas, and then suddenly both were today.

      I love you slashdot.

    2. Re:Don't miss out kids! by biryokumaru · · Score: 2, Informative

      "This video contains content from Sony Music Entertainment, who has decided to block it in your country."

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      When you're afraid to download music illegally in your own home, then the terrorists have won!
  18. The irony is overwhelming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I assume that your link is to this song, "Don't download this song" by Weird Al.. The song is quite heavy and very obvious critic against RIAA and it's scare tactics of destroying lives because of a few downloaded songs and about how they have the whole legal system (lawyers, judges the police) under their control. The irony of not being able to legally watch the video outside USA is overwhelming.

    That is very common, however. For example many TV shows can't be watched online from Europe anymore. Southpark and The Daily Show being two of the many series that you used to be able to watch online for free (and see some commercials) but now need to download from bittorrent. I could of course just use VPN to some host in USA but really... If I need to go through the trouble of circumventing the protections anyway, my interest to pay for a good VPN and watch the ads isn't that high.

  19. Wonder if the 6 billion lawsuit will be mentioned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    that is the fact that the canadian arm of the R.I.A.A. up here called the CRIA hasnt paid 300,000 artists since 1980.

    BOY oh boy thats a bomb to say in court eh?
    if they are commercially pirating up in canada , are they doing it in the USA and other countries and does that mean that record breaking profit year really mean profit to the riaa OR is it fraudulently stolen monies.

  20. Re:Why was I modded Troll? by genmax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is also collusion that lets stuff like DRM live on. I think the comment about eMusic in the summary is telling. If the record labels had in reality been competing with each other, DRM would be history by now. It would just take one label to start selling music as mp3s, and customers would flock to them.

  21. Re:Why was I modded Troll? by Dr_Art · · Score: 4, Informative

    The summary was entirely factual, and didn't contain any "anti-RIAA propaganda". Your quote was for a reader comment, not from the original summary.

    Read the Starr vs Sony decision linked in the summary and you'll discover that the appeals judges found the evidence is strong that RIAA members have been colluding using illegal (under antitrust law) methods such as price fixing. E.g., they ask why RIAA members raised the wholesale price from $0.65/song to $0.70/song while the second largest distributor of music, eMusic, was wholesaling at $0.25/song. In the stereotypical "normal free market", competition as well as decreased production costs would lead to lower prices.

  22. Re:Why was I modded Troll? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The summary was entirely factual, and didn't contain any "anti-RIAA propaganda". Your quote was for a reader comment, not from the original summary. Read the Starr vs Sony decision linked in the summary and you'll discover that the appeals judges found the evidence is strong that RIAA members have been colluding using illegal (under antitrust law) methods such as price fixing [wikipedia.org]. E.g., they ask why RIAA members raised the wholesale price from $0.65/song to $0.70/song while the second largest distributor of music, eMusic, was wholesaling at $0.25/song. In the stereotypical "normal free market", competition as well as decreased production costs would lead to lower prices.

    I love people who actually read the stuff. Thank you.

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