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Chinese Human Rights Orgs Hit By DDoS

Oxford_Comma_Lover writes "IDG News Service is reporting that several human rights organizations focusing on China have been hit by DDoS attacks this weekend, including Chinese Human Rights Defenders and Civil Rights and Livelihood Watch. The latter works on issues of mental persecution (dissidents being thrown into mental hospitals where they were forced onto medication or beaten with electric batons) and eminent-domain type problems (seizure of farmland or urban land without compensation when the government is working on a project)."

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  1. Seriously? by Pojut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Think it was the chinese again?

    I wonder what a full-blown revolt in China would look like nowadays...there are so many people living in that country, it would be insane.

    1. Re:Seriously? by ZuluZero · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe it was the /. community, duped into a DOS attack to RTFA ;-)

    2. Re:Seriously? by denis-The-menace · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they give them all TV sets that should be enough to pacify enough of them so that revolts don't happen.

      It works great in developed countries.

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    3. Re:Seriously? by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why would they revolt?
      The have it better now than anytime in their history. Sure a few may come to the US and the EU but they will see the improvements that they have been making over time and expect them to continue.

      Not to mention that they are proud that went from being a third world nation to a super power in a generation.
      I don't like the way things work in China but if you look back to how they worked before I think you will see that a DOS and great firewall are progress compared to the cultural revolution.

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    4. Re:Seriously? by ilsaloving · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The parent has been marked funny, but I would argue that their statement is more true than most people realize.

      Entertainment has a long history of use by oppressive regimes to give people something easy to focus on, and taking focus away from the terrible policies said regimes put in place.

      Hell, the US has lost so many basic human rights in the last decade, that I'm amazed a civil war *didn't* break out. But hey... as long as people get to have their reality TV shows, it's all good, right?

    5. Re:Seriously? by steelfood · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No mods, not informative.

      "First World" refers to the US, Western Europe, and allies. "Second World" refers to the Soviets and their allies. China was and has always firmly been among the "Third World."

      Since the fall of the USSR, the "Second World" doesn't really exist, though the countries that made up the Eastern Bloc, including most of Eastern Europe, could be said to have been in the "Second World."

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    6. Re:Seriously? by sp3d2orbit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what would they revolt for? To change Chinese culture

      The current political leaders aren't "Chinese culture". Chinese culture is represented by thousands of years of history, not the last few decades. In fact, Taiwan has a better link to Chinese "culture" than mainland China as that government is older.

      What would they revolt for? Stability. Authoritarian regimes are unstable. Authoritarian regimes don't allow for pressure release valves causing tensions to build and build and build until they explode, like they are in the Western Provinces.

      the current Chinese government are the ones that stopped years long bloody internal wars and the dieing of millions of Chinese

      I can't tell if you are trolling or if you are an agent of the Chinese government. But, let me remind you that 1) the current government started a civil war to gain power 2) killed over 30 million people during the cultural revolution and 3) continue to kill people to this day for speaking out for human rights.

      I don't think the country could manage a huge change.

      The Chinese are a resilient people who have dealt with many more huge changes than any Western culture can fathom. It is arrogant and condescending to imply that the Chinese people cannot "handle" a more open system.

    7. Re:Seriously? by idontgno · · Score: 4, Informative

      Panem et circences.The Romans had that figured out millenia ago. Great way to keep the plebs quiet and pliant.

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  2. It serves then right. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Those damn Liberal Commies... Uhh.. Wait.. Ummm.......

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  3. Re:Looking for a fight in all the wrong places. by Publikwerks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the looks of it, I doubt they care. They are far too integrated with the world economic systems to be made a pariah of. Their biggest concern is losing control of the masses. As long as the peasants stay in line, they can sit back and not give a damn about the rest of the world.

  4. Getting rid of pesky pests by olborro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hey, if it worked with Google, why not try that with human rights organizations?

  5. Unlikely but possible alternative by zmaragdus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One alternative to consider, as unlikely as it may be, is this: China [already] has a really bad rep among the online communities for openness and free speech. Some third party comes along, having assembled a botnet, and wants to further smear China's name. So they tell their botnet to attack the webpages of those who oppose China's rights abuses. The world assumes it was China and hates them all the more.

    Now, before a flood of hate-replies come, let me say a few things. (1) It is less likely than not that the above scenario happened. Anyone wanting to oppose China's rights abuses wouldn't attack those pages. ("The enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality.) The perpetrator would have to hate China but not care about the rights abuses. (2) I personally think that China is responsible. This post is just a small attempt to keep people thinking rationally instead of letting their emotions take over completely. (3) We probably will never truly figure out who really did it anyways.

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    1. Re:Unlikely but possible alternative by Ziekheid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree with you and I strongly disagree with you. The chance that the Chinese government had anything to do with this seems small to me and the chance of some random scriptkid with a botnet doing this is huge.
      People don't seem to realize how many botnets exist worldwide and how many individuals are involved in the botnet scene, there are plenty of people that could've done this just "for the lulz" to get some media attention and not out of a political motivation.

  6. Re:Looking for a fight in all the wrong places. by sopssa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not only Chinese government's concern, it's all of chinese. The country would drop into a total chaos if the government falls, and it would probably be bloody - history shows this. I think the citizens also understand that and think its better to live than let the bloody internal wars start again.

  7. Re:Looking for a fight in all the wrong places. by brxndxn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In order to maintain control, the Chinese government must prevent widespread unrest. In order to prevent widespread unrest, they must keep the peasants peasantlike. In order to maintain their status in the world, they must keep growing economically. Therefore, the government keeps hording money. Because the government is hording money, they buy our 'worthless' dollars and prop the value up therefore spreading the wealth to the US rather than spreading it through their citizenry. Once their citizenry see this, and begin to realize their lack of wealth in relation to the rest of the world, and began to want the things they feel a middle class should deserve, there will have to be widespread social unrest to effect the inevitable change. Further, an economy with widespread social arrest is less desirable to investors.

    Either the Chinese middle class becomes more affluent through shared prosperity of the Chinese economy - prompting social unrest because of middle class desires such as free speech, the right to own property, the right to ones' investments; or the Chinese government continues to prosper at the expense of the peasant class prompting social unrest.

    My prediction: Eventual widespread social unrest and burst of the economic bubble that is China. The US has nothing to lose from social unrest in China.

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  8. Not surprising by Brazilian+Geek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    China is giving the world the middle finger and not giving a shit about the repercussions.

    Face it, corporations are hungry for dollars and one of the only markets left for them is China and the whole Google thing proved that it doesn't matter what China does, the corporations are going to fall in line and obediently do what China wants of them. Of all the companies affected by the breech only Google has spoken out - the rest are quiet and will remain so in fear of losing precious Chinese business.

    China has seen that it has nothing to fear from the corporate world - the ones that give them money. They'll do whatever they want now - taking down sites and silencing opposition will only be met with silence and their homeland population is so docile that they'll never revolt so why the fuck should they care.

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  9. But... but hacking is ILLEGAL in China! by Arancaytar · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shame on you, shame! Bad China! Go sit in a corner.

    Oh, you don't want to sit in the corner?

    You're angry we called you bad?

    We're so sorry, we won't say it again. We beg your forgiveness.

    -Signed, the International Community.

  10. Re:Looking for a fight in all the wrong places. by sopssa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well they do know that their government is like that, the placing of flowers outside Google China offices and the popularity of Avatar (because of unintentional references to China) show that.

    They aren't stupid, you know.