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MPEG LA Extends H.264 Royalty-Free Period
Sir Homer writes "The MPEG LA has extended their royalty-free license (PDF) for 'Internet Video that is free to end users' until the end of 2016. This means webmasters who are registered MPEG LA licensees will not have to pay a royalty to stream H.264 video for the next six years. However the last patent in the H.264 portfolio expires in 2028, and the MPEG LA has not released what fees, if any, it will charge webmasters after this 'free trial' period is over."
However the last patent in the H.264 portfolio expires in 2028, and the MPEG LA has not released what fees, if any, it will charge webmasters after this 'free trial' period is over.
I would SERIOUSLY hope there are new protocols by 2028...
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The trial period will need to last just long enough to get it adopted as the HTML5 standard.
Software patents? That's just absurd.
What a charming business model.
Oh well, I guess webmasters could have always used something else, right?
It's particularly nice that web masters are giving billing information 6 years early, so the company doesn't have to do much to track down the first round of suck^H^H^H^H customers to bill them for use.
There's nothing like getting your IP embedded deeply into everyones processes (with their complete acknowledgement of that fact) and then seeking rent against the cost of changing it.
I would expect that many companies don't have migration plans in place, I don't know, not my business.
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looks like a ambush in slow-motion.
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You know, Theora video doesn't suck.
And even if it sucked, that wouldn't matter anyway :
most of video today consist of short snips on social websites of dancing cats filmed with a camera phone with crappy sensors and low quality MJPEG compression.
Arguing that Theora would need more bits to achieve the same quality as other codec is akin to arguing that Youtube should spend more bits to be better faithful to all the compression artifacts.
Theora opponents say that, for the same bits bandwidth, Theora video is blurrier. I'm saying that this blur won't hide any critical detail. It will only blur out the noise from the camera phone's crappy sensor and from the MJPEG'S 50% compression. I personally *can* live without them, if it is what it takes to have a open free/libre standard.
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This is a rake, lying on the ground in plain sight with red markers all over it and a big sign.
Step on it at your own risk, but don't come crying when the rake hits you in the face.
After the gif debacle, you would think people would learn.
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we'll be using a different format. Yes, it will be encumbered by patents, DRM and a bunch of other shit we don't even know yet - but it will not be H.264. I don't really see how this extension of free licensing could be profitable to them.
Nothing lasts forever but the certainty of change.
"the first hit is free..."
However this is a really plain-as-day example of how patent trolls are ruining business for everyone.
Please don't dilute the term "patent troll." It has a specific meaning and certainly doesn't apply to a patent pool packager like MPEG-LA. Everybody adopted h.264 with full knowledge that it was covered by several patents. This is certainly not a case of some junk firm patenting prior art and suing everybody. Nobody coerced anyone into using h.264; it just happened to actually be a good codec, so it was adopted by the industry. Nor is it "ruining business for everyone," so I'm not even sure what your point is. Your own anecdotal evidence doesn't lead to this conclusion.
Is it disappointing that we didn't have a comparable patent-free codec at the time when people started adopting h.264? Yeah, it's too bad. Unfortunately, no amount of sour grapes is going to change what happened.
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Streaming video needs an Apache. By that, I mean a very standardized server and set of protocols for delivering files encoded in a non-proprietary, free-to-use, free-to-decode, unrestricted-in-every-imaginable-sense manner.
The source of what has held this back, in my opinion, is that taking giant video files (and you should see how big raw video is) and cramming them down into small, chunkable files which can decode at the end into recognizable images is hard. Hard in the sense of "takes people with a great deal of math knowledge and computer science knowledge to pull off." It's not like HTML, where you are pushing around what are basically text files that you can open in Notepad. It takes a great deal of intellectual know-how and deep domain knowledge to pull this off on the encoding end in some reasonable fashion that doesn't take a lot of CPU cycles.
The few people who can do this take a long time to figure out a new scheme, and they have to test the living hell out of it. You can write a primitive webserver without too much fuss, it's just a specialized server which kicks out text and binary files on command, after all. Encoding video and serving it, though, is not easy. That's why so much goes into protecting the intellectual property; it was not trivial to create. Wade around in the fifteen profiles for MPEG-4 Part 10 aka AVC aka H.264 for a while and realize that this is not trivial. Hell, it had to be jointly developed by two groups, ITU's video group and MPEG. Take a look at Theora -- even its codebase is descended from something that once took real money to make.
If streaming media is to have its Apache, an investment of money must be made in finding these highly talented individuals and paying them to make a new, open standard. And code must be made available for an end-to-end implementation on many platforms, everything from encoding to serving (with authentication fun, to boot) to decoding, on Windows, on Unix/Linux, on Macs. With regression tests and tutorials. Plug-ins to be written for the top, say, ten browsers. And a decoder library for Flash. While this is going on, political battles will have to be fought to keep Microsoft, Apple, and other companies out of the loop, or they'll pull the usual and destroy or cripple the product before it reaches market, just as they managed to poison HTML5's video standards.
None of this is technically impossible, but it will be hard, and it will cost money and political tokens and time and real effort. Can it be done?
Well, hold on. How is performing a method using wires carrying electrons to carry a digital signal different from performing a method using wires carrying electrons to carry an analogue signal (e.g. an FM radio receiver)?
Should a mechanical device that performs a task be patentable but an integrated circuit that peforms the same task not be patentable?
But in any case, the point is that the patents involved have been granted in all sorts of jurisdictions that don't allow "software" patents. This is bad from the point of view of open-source projects that want to use H.264, for sure. But it seems to me that the fundamental idea of patenting the methods used in H.264 is sound, assuming the idea of patents is sound at all. This last is up for debate, of course.
(so, Opera is out, and Firefox on Windows and Mac is out)
Nonetheless, both FireFox and Opera are currently in the Theora camp.
If I want to use them (and I do. I use Firefox) I need Theora videos.
So Dailymotion and Thevideobay work for me. But not Youtube.
Except you really don't, as you can *right now* play h.264 with completely free software.
Free Software : yes.
Legal Software : that's a completely different can of worms. Some jurisdictions *DO* recognise software patents, and in such places - x264, ffmpeg and the like *are illegal*.
There's no legal or technical reason that Firefox can't support h.264 across Mac, Windows and Linux. The only reason it's left out is for blatantly political reasons.
Legal reason : Software patents. They happen to valid in some countries (USA and some
European countries).
Technical reasons :
- you need to be able to distribute the code, if you want a GPLv2/v3 license. But h264 decoding code might be illegal (see legal reason).
- supporting system codec is out of the question. the whole VIDEO/HTML5 idea was to escape from the dependence of binary 3rd party plug-ins. Opting for 3rd party codecs it, at best, a return to the statu quo (you replace a Flash proprietary BLOB with a codec proprietary BLOB. Meet the new master, same as the old master) and at worse, a huge step back (at least current 3rd party proprietary plugins were designed for the web (supposedly). Whereas some codecs might not be able to do proper stream/seeking nor be able to cope with malformed data without getting exploited).
- this assumes that system codec exists. whereas, such codec might be missing because no-one produces them on such a platform (all the non-x86, non-windows platforms) or because they are not packaged with the system (older windows versions, like XP)
Political reasons: someone has to do the fight for open standard. Why not the fastest growing browser with 1/4 of the market share, and the most popular embed browser ?
In short : Do you want to imagine what internet would have looked like if everyone writing or displaying HTML pages had to pay a tax to the CERN ? Mozilla and Opera are fighting so that doesn't happen in the future regarding video. I think that this is a valid reason.
Not true. First off, I'm just fine with sites providing both h.264 and Theora.
Me too, and almost everyone else.
The problem is that Firefox wants no h.264 option at all. In other words, they do not want people to be able to use the superior codec.
[citation needed]
I haven't seen a message from mozilla saying they want to forbid completely h264. The only thing I've read is about they wanting Theora to be supported, be part of the standard, and be mandatory on all browsers for html-5 compliance, so that the future web can be built on open standard. I've never seen anything saying that proprietary solution should not be offered as an alternative.
you can use x264 or ffmpeg {...} It's possible Mozilla may wish to avoid bundling x264 with Firefox in the US, but it can be easily supported as a completely open source plugin the user can install themselves
There are other countries besides the USA which recognise software patents. Sadly, this is starting to appear in Europe too (luckily, not all member states already).
And Mozilla are incorporated in the USA, which means, the law their are subjected to makes it illegal to do it.
And between trying to find contrived ways to circumvent complex patent law, and simply going for a solution which is not patented at all, I too think that the second approach is more sensible.
So, a 10% worse solution, for far, far less than 10% of the users? Doesn't sound like a net win to me.
It's a win compared to no solution at all due to broken p
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