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Heavy Internet Use Linked To Depression

An anonymous reader writes "People who spend a lot of time surfing the internet are more likely to show signs of depression, British scientists said on Wednesday. These 'internet addicts' spent proportionately more time browsing sexually gratifying websites, online gaming sites and online communities, Morrison said. They also had a higher incidence of moderate to severe depression than normal users."

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  1. Such a sad story. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sad, so sad.

    Oh, wait.

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    1. Re:Such a sad story. by Amphetam1ne · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wait... how did we get on to Seasonal Affective Disorder?

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    2. Re:Such a sad story. by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And what's cause and what's effect?

      What if heavy internet usage is caused by being depressed rather than causing it?

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    3. Re:Such a sad story. by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Judging from my own experiences as someone who has suffered from depression for roughly half of my life (and someone who has attempted to end it), I would have to say that depression is the cause, and heavy internet use is the symptom. It's an escape mechanism. Instead of constantly thinking of death, you can get on the Web and try to distract yourself.

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    4. Re:Such a sad story. by digitalgiblet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What if the internet is caused by depression?

    5. Re:Such a sad story. by digitig · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A question asked in the RA. '"Excessive internet use is associated with depression, but what we don't know is which comes first -- are depressed people drawn to the internet or does the internet cause depression?," Morrison said.'

      There's a third possibility which the article fails to consider: rather than one causing the other, perhaps both are caused by something else. For example, the person who has difficulty forming satisfying sexual relationships is perhaps likely to get depressed about that and to spend "proportionately more time browsing sexually gratifying websites". The whole thing gets muddy, because that can then form a feedback loop.

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    6. Re:Such a sad story. by memnock · · Score: 2, Informative

      their results found 1.4% of study subject affected. you could probably find 1.4% of Internet addicted people are clergy. or moms. or happy.

    7. Re:Such a sad story. by EasyTarget · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think there might be more truth to that comment than we imagine..

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    8. Re:Such a sad story. by derGoldstein · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In a way it may be equated to substance abuse. Technically, one could drown their self in books as a distraction -- the main differences being the amount of moderation, and the lack of the interactive element (though from what I understand from TFA, it's mainly consumption of content they're referring to). People used to place themselves in front of the TV for 8 hours a day, and that was also linked to depression, or at least social dysfunction.

      I think that most people who read Slashdot, and especially anyone who posts, spends a lot of time online, but that's just pointing to "a media" (or is it a "medium" in this context?). What a person does when they're online is far more relevant than just the fact that they're online.

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    9. Re:Such a sad story. by derGoldstein · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That question ("we don't know is which comes first -- are depressed people drawn to the internet or does the internet cause depression?") can also be answered with: "both". The two are not mutually exclusive. It's a chicken and egg question, and in this case any of the two may be true in different scenarios. You're definitely right about the feedback loop -- it would be the same with alcohol or drugs in this sense (one could lead to the other, which would then lead to more of the first).

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    10. Re:Such a sad story. by dubbreak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd have to agree. I have experienced it and have family and friends as well. I sought distraction in other ways (speeding on motorcycles and drinking) and they were definitely not the cause. When you feel like shit you seek ways to make yourself feel anything else. Numb is a step up from depressed.

      I found anti-depressants (SSRIs, MAO inhibitors.. any kind I tried) numbing. Yes it made daily life more livable but I was stuck on 98%. I just wasn't quite there on the drugs. Life was better with drugs than without them at the time, but not quite as good as life prior w/o the drugs. Once I got off the anti-depressants I finally was able to have days where I felt 100%. I no longer feel slightly withdrawn from life (despite the fact I'm a software dev). Of course getting off antidepressants can be a bitch (withdrawal symptoms can be pretty bad).

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    11. Re:Such a sad story. by derGoldstein · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Any content consumption can lead to different states of mind. Read enough Nietzsche (and/or that school of philosophy) and I dare you to stay optimistic.

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    12. Re:Such a sad story. by Myria · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have severe depression, and have suicidal thoughts pretty much every day. I use the Web and WoW to escape from my persistent gender dysphoria. In chat rooms and online games, I can be a girl, but not in real life.

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    13. Re:Such a sad story. by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 4, Interesting

      (though from what I understand from TFA, it's mainly consumption of content they're referring to).

      That is the exact reason that I use the Web so often: content of any kind. I read a lot of things, and follow a few topics just out of the need to not ruminate on things. Message boards, chatrooms, etc. all help me communicate at some level after a period of very intense depression (such as now, where I just had to drop a semester), where the anxiety is killer.

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    14. Re:Such a sad story. by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Judging from my own experiences as someone who has suffered from depression for roughly half of my life (and someone who has attempted to end it), I would have to say that depression is the cause, and heavy internet use is the symptom. It's an escape mechanism. Instead of constantly thinking of death, you can get on the Web and try to distract yourself.

      Couldn't internet addiction, be part of a feedback cycle keeping you depressed? Less sun, less contact with people firsthand, less social life, and if it's addiction, less sense of accomplishment (because you get less accomplished), declining hygiene standards, etcetera.

      The internet is one good way of connecting with people but still being secluded and feeling empty. I mean, being "friended" on facebook, a number tons of people promote, ends up being a good illustration on the tons of superficial relationships typical of online life -- making depression even worse. (To be sure, there are sites that facilitate sociality like meetup groups and dating sites...)

      I seen friends go through that and also feel that way just working on a computer most of the day at times, without the addiction part (which is why I ride a bike to work now...)

    15. Re:Such a sad story. by Zerth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Thanks god books aren't injectable. I wouldn't have any usable veins left.

    16. Re:Such a sad story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Always remember that you are not alone. I have similar problems, and there are many like us.

    17. Re:Such a sad story. by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was like you long ago, but then I stopped giving a fuck about what others thought of me. Made life 100% better.

      After I fixed that problem, I turned to the internet again because of new problems - one of them is that all of my friends got married and had kids, or they work exhausting hours. Do I envy them? Hell no, because I can go pub-crawling or kayaking while they're stuck indoors wasting all of their money and hard work on nagging, domineering wives and screaming, crapping, defiant kids. When they do have free time to visit we're always stuck at their house playing xBox with 5 year-olds or kicked out to the cold-ass garage before their wife makes me leave at 10pm on a Saturday. They're fucking miserable. Do not take your freedom for granted. Do not envy happy-looking couples, you don't see all of the fighting and control struggles behind the scenes.

      The other problem is having non-nerd friends. Everybody I know in real life is not very articulate and conversation is about typical, non-controversial things. Time spent on each topic is kept to a minimum. Trying to start a deep conversation about politics or technology rights just causes them to scratch their heads and rub their eyes in irritation.

      But things are different on the internet. What's so cool about the internet? Not having to give a fuck about what people think! Nigger, for example. There will always be at least 1 niche that will welcome your weirdness with open arms so that you don't have to deal with all of those hypocrites, phonies, and rubes we encounter in real life. Create a strong persona on the internet and become that persona. Let its toughness change your behavior in real life. Then, when you no longer give a fuck about what others think, they'll try harder to get your attention and win your approval. Pussy will throw itself at you left and right.

    18. Re:Such a sad story. by BlueParrot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have severe depression, and have suicidal thoughts pretty much every day. I use the Web and WoW to escape from my persistent gender dysphoria. In chat rooms and online games, I can be a girl, but not in real life.

      I've been in your exact same situation only a few months ago. As it happens going on estradiol and testosterone blockers have more or less pushed me from suicidal to feeling better than I even thought was humanly possible (was hard to predict in advance when you have little to compare with). Unfortunately not everybody has the same reaction, but if you're not already on them I can only recommend you give hormones a very serious thought. I know it can be hard to get them many places ( I was forced to self-medicate myself ) and that things are not that easy, but seeing your post more or less described my life 6 months ago I just wanted to let you know that things can get a heck of a lot better.

    19. Re:Such a sad story. by derGoldstein · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was like you long ago, but then I stopped giving a fuck about what others thought of me. Made life 100% better.

      I mostly agree, with the exception of cases where you care about the person's opinion, and for the right reasons. I don't give a damn what my neighbor thinks because that's just geographical coincidence, but if I choose to become someone's friend, I would at least "give some damn", otherwise why do I choose to consider this person my friend? Family is more complicated, of course, and everyone has to make their own choices there. But apart from those cases, the only thing that should concern you is functionality: don't get on your boss' nerves because he'll fire you, and don't piss off a heavy-weight boxer that's standing right in front of you, because, well, darwinism.

      After I fixed that problem, I turned to the internet again because of new problems - one of them is that all of my friends got married and had kids, or they work exhausting hours. Do I envy them? Hell no, because I can go pub-crawling or kayaking while they're stuck indoors wasting all of their money and hard work on nagging, domineering wives and screaming, crapping, defiant kids. When they do have free time to visit we're always stuck at their house playing xBox with 5 year-olds or kicked out to the cold-ass garage before their wife makes me leave at 10pm on a Saturday. They're fucking miserable. Do not take your freedom for granted. Do not envy happy-looking couples, you don't see all of the fighting and control struggles behind the scenes.

      That's a matter of perspective and opinion. It's not really related to this topic. It's a valid opinion, in the sense that you're free to do with your life as you will, but I wouldn't say that it's the correct "advice" for everyone. I know several people who were just aimlessly wandering through life until they met the right person, not only to spend their life with, but also to motivate them. If that's not the case for you then that's fine, but I don't think that people keep getting married and having children just to keep the human species from extinction.

      The other problem is having non-nerd friends. Everybody I know in real life is not very articulate and conversation is about typical, non-controversial things. Time spent on each topic is kept to a minimum. Trying to start a deep conversation about politics or technology rights just causes them to scratch their heads and rub their eyes in irritation.

      You're the one who decides who you spend time with. You say that it's a "problem", but if it were really troubling you, then according to what you say in this post, you'd have no problem telling them flat out that they're boring you and you're not interested in seeing them again.

      But things are different on the internet. What's so cool about the internet? Not having to give a fuck about what people think! Nigger, for example. There will always be at least 1 niche that will welcome your weirdness with open arms so that you don't have to deal with all of those hypocrites, phonies, and rubes we encounter in real life. Create a strong persona on the internet and become that persona. Let its toughness change your behavior in real life. Then, when you no longer give a fuck about what others think, they'll try harder to get your attention and win your approval. Pussy will throw itself at you left and right.

      Yes and no. Your post is a very good example. By being so aggressive, some people will simply skip over what you've said and dismiss you as a "brute" or a troll, not even considering your argument. The ad-hominem effect kicks in (you'll be dismissed because of who you are, or how you behave, rather than what you say), and you've just lost a lot of people's attention, not all of whom you'd normally choose to filter out. If I know that I'm in an environment that doesn't mind cursing, then I'll cuss like a sailor, but I'd still respect someone

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    20. Re:Such a sad story. by meustrus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mod parent down, please. I'd rather not listen to Maddox (the jock asshole persona) telling me how the Internet is great because it's just like High School Musical (stop caring about cliques and what other people think, and they will magically think better of you and we can all be in this together)

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    21. Re:Such a sad story. by shadowfaxcrx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep. Before the internet, depressed people stayed inside and stared at the wall. Now they're staring at a computer screen.

      But you KNOW the media's gonna try to spin it as "the internet depresses people! (see more, on our website)"

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    22. Re:Such a sad story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow. You describe the things I am going through for years and years now. Nice to know I'm not alone on Slashdot.

      Like you I use female characters in the MMO's I play as an outlet for what is going on inside me. Everyone I play City of Heroes with think I am a youngish girl and treat me like their little sister -- both women and men.

      Sorry for posting anon, but I'm not as brave as you =)

      Again, thank you for letting me feel not so alone.

  2. I'll say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    have you SEEN what's on there?

    1. Re:I'll say... by Shikaku · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Porn, untold amounts of porn, and untold amounts of geeks' fantasies never being fulfilled.

    2. Re:I'll say... by Nathrael · · Score: 2, Informative

      And Rule 34 of Rosie O'Donnel.

      What has been seen cannot be unseen! YEARGH EYE CANCER!

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    3. Re:I'll say... by derGoldstein · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What's more likely to get you depressed -- overexposure to porn, or overexposure to 4chan?
      Suppose you have a person who has very few social connections (just the ones they need to survive, like work relationships), and is also relatively isolated from their family (for whatever reason). Is it worse to saturate that person's mind with porn, or to dedicate a lot of time to, let's face it, some cruel, sadistic, and generally hateful communities that exist online?

      I'm definitely not trying to legitimize extreme porn consumption, but if we're talking about what leads people to depression, I think that there are more dangerous elements.
      (I actually just gave 4chan as an example to point out an overall direction -- there are far worse places, where hatred and malice are directed to whichever cause you can think up)

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    4. Re:I'll say... by skine · · Score: 3, Funny

      Do you have a link?

    5. Re:I'll say... by xaxa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I actually just gave 4chan as an example to point out an overall direction -- there are far worse places, where hatred and malice are directed to whichever cause you can think up

      That's not unique to the Internet.

      One of my flatmates watches three British soaps: EastEnders, Coronation Street and Emmerdale. I don't watch them myself, but sometimes I see what's happening if I'm cooking when she's home. Most of the time, it's people shouting at each other, arguing, cheating, backstabbing, and generally spreading hatred around them. It's awful.

  3. The next line states... by loftwyr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But it is not clear whether the internet causes depression or whether depressed people are drawn to it.

    So, what we have here is an article with no actual basis for conclusions. Nothing to see here, move along

    1. Re:The next line states... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All they are saying is that they noted Correlation, not implying causation.

    2. Re:The next line states... by Taibhsear · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seconded. Could it be that perhaps people are depressed by not getting the attention they desire and thus go to the internet for it? The study is a failure if it finds both ends of the argument plausible and no concrete evidence for either.

    3. Re:The next line states... by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Informative

      But it is not clear whether the internet causes depression or whether depressed people are drawn to it.

      Exactly. And an earlier study showed a correlation between television watching and depression. Worth repeating: correlation is not always causation.

      In this case, I could easily see the correlation as: depressed people are too depressed to do anything requiring activity, so they tend to sit around and watch television or surf the web.

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    4. Re:The next line states... by Emb3rz · · Score: 2, Informative

      browsing sexually gratifying websites, online gaming sites and online communities

      All of which would likely increase activity of which neuro-transmitter? Did anyone say dopamine? And what else increases dopamine activity? More witches! Err, no. Certain classes of drugs, illicit or otherwise. And depression is provably related to imbalances in norepinephrine, serotonin and dopamine. I'd love to get a real biologist's take on this research.

    5. Re:The next line states... by RJHelms · · Score: 3, Informative

      All they are saying is that they noted Correlation, not implying causation.

      Yet the summary is written as such. Such a shock for a /. editor not to read something before it's put on the front page.

      No, it doesn't. The summary says "more likely"; that is, as internet use increases, the probability of depression increases. That is the definition of correlation. Implying causation would be using a word like "cause". (I know, tricky concept) Which the summary doesn't.

    6. Re:The next line states... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Funny

      And an earlier study showed a correlation between television watching [suite101.com] and depression [naturalnews.com]

      wait What?

      I watch Tv on the internet......

      I am so boned..... CRAP!

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    7. Re:The next line states... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The study is a failure if it finds both ends of the argument plausible and no concrete evidence for either.

      No, it is not a failure. It succeeds in saying, "we observed this phenomenon, it's significant, and it might be worth studying further." Science succeeds when it places observations before conclusions; it fails when it does the opposite, as people like you seem to want it to do. Establishing that something exists in the first place is the prerequisite for everything that follows.

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    8. Re:The next line states... by dnahelicase · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is that better than being fat? I keep hearing that obesity is greater among people that spend an above average amount of time watching TV and surfing the web. I think they must have missed that link. Internets lead to obesity, obesity leads to poor self image, poor self image leads to depression, depression leads to loneliness, loneliness leads to porn! Hence the internets only lead to creating porn addicts and pirates. Which is why we need the FCC watching over the tubes...

    9. Re:The next line states... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just to let you know, Natural News is one of those whacked out anti-science sites. You know, pro-homeopathy, pro-naturopathy, anti-vaccine, anti-evidence based medicine. The same people who thing correlation really does equal causation (for example, the guys who run that site claim vaccines cause autism). I mean, I'm sure it was just the first link that came up when you searched, but in the future you might want to go with the second link there, because that site is deep in the stupid.

    10. Re:The next line states... by zacronos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The word "cause" would assert causation. When the summary says:

      People who spend a lot of time surfing the internet are more likely to show signs of depression

      it suggests causation, because that does not sound the same as:

      People showing signs of depression are more likely to spend a lot of time surfing the internet

      One might agree that those sentences are formally equivalent (in an idealized version of english), but the way most people speak, those sentences suggest different causations.

      More accurately, I would say that both versions of that sentence assert correlation, and the fact that most readers infer causation from any asserted correlation is almost unavoidable. I agree that most readers will infer different causations from those two statements, but that doesn't mean either statement actively suggests causation. I would say that it merely means that both statements fail to explicitly deny the causations that most people who aren't scientifically trained will tend to infer from them.

      This is probably just a semantic argument. If you can think of a way to assert correlation such that causation is not a natural inference for most people, and without sounding awkward or explicitly denying the causation you expect people to infer, I would sincerely love to hear it. My point is that I don't think the summary is written poorly (it doesn't suggest causation more than it can help) -- I don't expect every writer describing a correlation to have to go out of their way to point out that a causation cannot be (correctly) inferred from the described correlation. Maybe in your opinion (and GGP's opinion) writers should do that, in which case I'm just not holding them to such a high standard as you.

    11. Re:The next line states... by Trahloc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My poor self image in no way has anything to do with the internet. Need proof? I was fat before I ever heard of the internet! HAH! ... now I did troll libraries and read entire sections of it before I got my computer... So I guess libraries cause depression too!

      FFS, some people are just depressed with life, they seek entertainment to help distract them from their own state. Whatever distraction that form takes has nothing to do with the depression. I can think of several reasons why I gained weight at a young age, none of them have to do with TV or my love of reading. Hell every person I know who goes out bar hoping to get laid would be classified as 'depressed' by these researchers most likely and their reasonably fit bastards. A general dissatisfaction with life seems to be one of the hallmarks of humanity and that is a good thing. We wouldn't be where we are if we were all content just living off the land like the other animals.

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    12. Re:The next line states... by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've got a conclusion for you:

      People who are depressed spend more time on the Internet looking for a life.

      Back in the BBS days (and early Internet days) I would spend time in chat sessions and forums looking for parties, activities, new stuff to learn, of course - porn. I met some of my best friends in chat in the early 90's on the Revolution Calling and Anarchy X BBSs in San Diego. I don't remember being depressed at that time, but I was definitely looking for a life.

      Anyway, the Internet is probably good for those depressed souls. It gives them a place to look for the life they want. Unfortunately, the quality of what they find has decreased over the years.

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    13. Re:The next line states... by bonniot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A general dissatisfaction with life seems to be one of the hallmarks of humanity and that is a good thing. We wouldn't be where we are if we were all content just living off the land like the other animals.

      True, we would be ... all content! I'm so glad to be dissatisfied with life instead! ;)

    14. Re:The next line states... by bonniot · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you really want to be technical

      OK, let's be technical. Let:

      D be the number of depressed people; A be the number of internet addicted people; DA be the number of depressed and internet addicted people. T be the total number of people.

      Then: "internet addicts are more likely than the general population to be depressed" means "the proportion of DA among A is greater than the proportion of D among T", or "DA/A > D/T", which is mathematically equivalent (since all number are positive) to "DA*T > D*A".

      "depressed people could be less likely than the general population to be internet addicts" means "the proportion of DA among D is greater than the proportion of A among T", or "DA/D < A/T", which is equivalent "DA*T < D*A".

      it is feasible that, although internet addicts are more likely than the general population to be depressed, depressed people could be less likely than the general population to be internet addicts.

      No.

    15. Re:The next line states... by syzler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you can think of a way to assert correlation such that causation is not a natural inference for most people, and without sounding awkward or explicitly denying the causation you expect people to infer, I would sincerely love to hear it.

      Researchers have found a correlation between levels of depression and amount of time surfing the Internet. Their studies show that both depression and Internet usage increase and decrease proportionate to each other.

  4. Maybe confusing cause and effect by mayhem79 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe they are confusing cause and effect, if you are depressed, feel lonely, unable to get out of the house. Surely you are more likely to spend your time doing such indoor activies.

  5. Comorbidity by ihatewinXP · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the long run this will also be likely linked to Aspergers Syndrome and other dissociative / personality disorders that we are diagnosing with much greater frequency today in that it reduces peoples interactions with actual human beings (at least vs our 'un-evolved' predecessors) to the point where children are not growing up with a firm grasp of social cues in relation to body language, tone of voice, etc....

    Thank Christ I was raised in a time before 4chan....

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    1. Re:Comorbidity by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In some cases it's not clear that "linked with personality disorders" actually adds any information, because many personality disorders have no etiology or known mechanism and are simply defined clinically as the presence of a certain set of symptoms. So saying that the symptoms are associated with the disorder doesn't tell you anything, because the disorder is defined as having those symptoms. It's like saying being morbidly overweight is linked with clinical obesity.

    2. Re:Comorbidity by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the long run this will also be likely linked to Aspergers Syndrome and other dissociative / personality disorders that we are diagnosing with much greater frequency today in that it reduces peoples interactions with actual human beings (at least vs our 'un-evolved' predecessors) to the point where children are not growing up with a firm grasp of social cues in relation to body language, tone of voice, etc....

      What, so suddenly Asperger's isn't an autism spectrum disorder, ie one that's genetically determined? It's all just social conditioning? Which just need to make sure these children "[grow] up with a firm grasp of social cues"?

      Well that's great news! You should publish a paper!

    3. Re:Comorbidity by value_added · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Everyone has a mental illness these days.

      More accurately, there's a mental illness for everyone.

      Personally, I distrust the entire psychiatric profession, and lament that these "professionals" have taken on (usurped?) the traditional roles of grandparent, wise uncle, priest, friend, cool dude down the street who smokes too much pot, etc. Anyone know of any other job where you can ensure meaningful and continued employment by making shit up?

      No doubt there's an illness for people like me, too. Or would it be a disease? What the hell. Disorder, malady, sickness, syndrome ... no wonder everyone's so screwed up. Guess I'll have to start watching those TV commercials more carefully so I know what to ask my doctor to prescribe.

      Sigh. I need to go browse some sexually gratifying websites. Anyone have a link?

    4. Re:Comorbidity by myowntrueself · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No doubt there's an illness for people like me, too

      Yeah same here.

      I suffer from an illness that makes me want to tell people to take responsibility for themselves and their behavior and not blame it on some 'genetic' condition or whatever.

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    5. Re:Comorbidity by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup. I'd say that's true in probably 90% of Asperger's cases. (The obvious tell: ask if it's self-diagnosed or not.)

      I work with a woman who is constantly finding new things to be allergic to, similar type of case... it's extremely annoying when having to pick restaurants. The latest one is "gluten-free" foods-- I never heard of gluten 5 years ago, but now it's trendy so she has it.

      "What happens if you accidentally eat gluten?" "Oh I feel bad for awhile." Yah right, crazy. That happens when I eat Taco Bell, but I sure as hell aren't allergic to it.

  6. Is this an on-line community? by karstdiver · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I really feel depressed...

    1. Re:Is this an on-line community? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      *YOU* feel depressed??? I find CowboyNeal sexually gratifying, you insensitive clod!

  7. Chickens lay eggs by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It takes a chicken to lay a chicken egg.

    So if internet usage is indicative of depression, then it stands to reason that people who are prone to depression (social outcasts for one) would be inordinately engaged in that type of activity. The flow isn't internet leads to depression but rather that depression leads to internet.

    All stereotypes have some basis in reality, so if we consider a significant fraction of internet users to be fat, ugly, borderline autistic, Cheetos and Doritos crunching, Mountain Dew swilling, World of Warcraft playing dweebs who used to get beat up in high school, then we can see how an activity that allows relative anonymity and essentially zero repercussions would attract this type of user. In turn, this type of user would tend towards clinical depression due to their social awkwardness and isolation.

  8. Another meaningless survey by derek_m · · Score: 3, Informative

    Rather meaningless really. Of the 1319 responses to an online questionaire 1.2% (yes, thats a whole 16 people) were deemed to be "addicts". "Many" of those were deemed to be depressed. Whats that a whole 10 people?

    Noone ever answers these things less than 100% honestly, do they?

    Smells more like they asked their questions, stated the conclusions they were hoping to prove but failed utterly at having the data to back them up.

  9. There could be a link to sleep patterns by HikingStick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It will be interesting to see if the study examined sleep patterns of those who use the Internet to a far greater degree than others. Lack of sleep over an extended period of time has been linked to depression in many studies. Thus, the Internet surfing behaviors could be causing the subjects to get less sleep, thereby increasing the likelihood that they experience depression. The validity of the claim will come down to how well the study authors controlled for other variables, the overal validity of their methods, and whether or not other groups can replicate the results.

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  10. Cause or effect? by at_slashdot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Didn't RTFA but this is the quick question that comes to mind when I read about all those studies... Also, what happens if you stop depressed people from using the Internet, do they feel better, worse, or the same?

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  11. Depression leads to Strong Internet activity? by realsilly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would have to ask, did the scientists test the subjects prior to this study to find out how many had symptoms of depression, or have people in their family that have symptoms of depression before they ever show strong internet activity?

    In our society, with all of the news that is about threats over our heads and the general push to become wealthy, many people are depressed, or show signs of depression. My suspicion is that heavy users of the internet find freedom and more happiness in their internet activity.

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  12. Awareness of the world by ddrueding80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about: Awareness of the world makes people more depressed.

    1. Re:Awareness of the world by sakdoctor · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's a good one.
      Whenever I read the main news headline of the day, I feel like I'm being trolled.
      Then I go back for more then next day.

  13. Content-free news by KnownIssues · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm missing the part where this study has produced anything of value.

    "What is clear is that for a small subset of people, excessive use of the internet could be a warning signal for depressive tendencies."

    You could just as easily say with just as much truth, "What is clear is that for a small subset of people, excessive *anything* could be a warning signal for depressive tendencies." But of course, that wouldn't produce anywhere near as much alarm and fear of the Internet.

    1. Re:Content-free news by KnownIssues · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For instance, in this case maybe the researchers have the hypothesis that the internet can contribute to depression.

      Agreed, but in order to test the hypothesis that the Internet can contribute to depression, you would need to compare these results to the percent of people with addiction as a whole and to percentage of generally addicted people who are depressed. I don't see any of that detail here. If I told you that 1.2% of people who used the Internet were convicted murderers, but failed to mention that 2% of the general population are convicted murderers, would I be right in claiming to have established a correlation between the Internet and murder? The study points out that 1.2% is greater than the .6% of gambling in the UK, but that's not a 1-to-1 comparision, since the study including porn, all forms of gaming, and chat.

      I haven't seen the actual study, so I should refrain from jumping to conlusions about the quality of the study. My issue is more with the way scientific studies are presented by the news and the way the media forces scientists to produce little sound-bite-nuggets to be taken out of context.

    2. Re:Content-free news by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If I told you that 1.2% of people who used the Internet were convicted murderers, but failed to mention that 2% of the general population are convicted murderers, would I be right in claiming to have established a correlation between the Internet and murder?

      I can't answer that, but I can say that I'm now very scared by the idea that 1 in every 50 people I meet is a convicted murderer.

  14. work by crsuperman34 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a graphic designer, it is REQUIRED that I sit on the internet 8+ hours a day gathering pdf's, emails, stock photography, free vector files, keeping up with social trends, web design, email design and taking short breaks browsing to 'switch' my mind to the next job. When I get home--by habit gained at the workplace--I check the news... cnn.com, salon.com, washington post and also prone to check facebook. So it is my job requiring me to be online which will eventually make me depressed. Seems that could be a legit argument against your workplace insurance in covering medical bills and could have even further repercussion?

  15. Once you've seen a guy fucked to death by a horse by SlappyBastard · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's kinda hard not to be depressed . . . thank you, Internet.

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  16. Obvious by Pictish+Prince · · Score: 4, Funny

    Better informed implies more depressed. End of story.

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  17. Proof by moteyalpha · · Score: 5, Funny
  18. Unavoidable by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've wasted my life.

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  19. Correlation is not causation by unity100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    were they getting depressed because of surfing, or were they escaping to surfing because of depression.

    i, for one, know from myself that, at points in my life in which i was severely stressed, depressed or in a waiting period for some event (military service etc), was using computer games heavily as an escape and sedative. that way i was able to relieve some of the stress or depression i had. if you are busy with something, you dont get focused on your depression that much.

    i dont think surfing is much different. if those people werent doing that heavy internet usage, they would probably be starting using mild drugs. internet is much better.

  20. Internet = high stimulation by strstr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    how about: excessive engagement in high stimulating activities such as the Internet, TV and online videogames, that ultimately depletes neurochemicals and at the same time causes a depression when experiencing less stimulating/normal activities? sometimes there really is too much of a good thing.

  21. New term just in time for the DSM-V: by bledri · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slashdot Affective Disorder

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  22. Re:Cause or effect? by psithurism · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cause or effect?

    They don't know! Thats what TFA says TWICE! Also why they don't say so in the summary and you need us to get that from the article for you.

    Didn't RTFA

    Thanks for admitting that though, there are long debates going on above where no one has read the article cept for my little addendum comments like this one.

    BTW peoples this article is less than a page long.

  23. Gaming part of "internet use"? by BigSes · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I didn't RTFA, but things like this always make me think of gaming as "internet use" and if this would be part of the basis for these studies. People who are hopelessly addicted to playing WoW, Everquest, or even earlier games such as The Realm, often exhibit depressed and anti-social behaviors.

    I knew someone once who was generally quite depressed every single day (albiet not professionally diagnosed), who lived for WoW, nearly 8-10 hours a day (much more on weekends). No matter what degree of persuasion that I tried to give her, she was convinced that WoW was the answer, not the source. I thought it might be helpful to enjoy real life again for a while, and not count on that dependency.

    I also knew someone who played Everquest that, IRL, was clincally diagnosed as depressed and nearly bipolar. I was often told by him that after long bouts of the game, these tendencies would get worse. He would then start to exhibit those behaviors in game, and in the real world.

    With gaming, I think it might be possible that people get depressed because they realize its an addiction, and it makes them depressed upon realizing they have a problem. The cycle then begins and continues on and on. Thats why I think these studies really should include more than browsing before coming to a conclusion.

  24. Re:maybe the correlation is wrong by Snarf+You · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hi, I didn't bother reading any of the 300+ posts above because I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who has come up with the following theory: Could it be that depressed people prefer to surf the internet rather than go out and do social things?

    (<-- runs and hides)