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Statistical Analysis of U of Chicago Graffiti

quaith writes "Quinn Dombrowski, a member of the University of Chicago's central IT staff, has been recording the graffiti left in the Joseph Regenstein Library Since September 2007. To date she has photographed and transcribed over 620 pieces of graffiti; over 410 of them are datable to within a week of their creation. She has now published in Inkling Magazine a statistical analysis of the entire graffiti collection covering such subjects as love, hate, despair, sex, anatomy, and temporal fluctuations of each of these. After November, both love and despair graffiti drop off significantly until spring, while sex graffiti reaches its one and only peak in December before declining for the rest of the school year. The story includes links to all of the original graffiti photos, which the researcher has made freely available to use under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike license."

157 comments

  1. do not pay interest to graffiti by Adolf+Hitroll · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's still illegal and often makes local people unhappy.

    I know there's banksy but he's one in a billion.

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    Smile, don't click...
    1. Re:do not pay interest to graffiti by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1, Troll

      Who stuck a pinecone up your ass? I'm supposed to ignore graffiti because it's illegal? Really?

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    2. Re:do not pay interest to graffiti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the same reason I've ignored the "findings" of Galileo until 1992. Up until then, he was just some heretic trying to upset everyone.

    3. Re:do not pay interest to graffiti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If art is a crime may god forgive me

    4. Re:do not pay interest to graffiti by Chapter80 · · Score: 1

      the researcher has made freely available to use under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike license

      I do not take kindly to this researcher releasing my copyrighted chronicles of a man from Nantucket.

    5. Re:do not pay interest to graffiti by ae1294 · · Score: 1

      It's still illegal and often makes local people unhappy.

      What isn't illegal in the U.S. now days? /sarcasm
      As a local of an area with a lot of creative graffiti artist I can say that a lot of what I see is very interesting and much nicer than looking at the bare concrete...

    6. Re:do not pay interest to graffiti by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      If the examples in the linked article are art, may God forgive us all.

    7. Re:do not pay interest to graffiti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you always just repeat what other people say incredulously?

    8. Re:do not pay interest to graffiti by TrisexualPuppy · · Score: 1

      Hey Hitroll...I got my karma back up from terrible to excellent. Want to troll some?

  2. My Hypothesis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could this all be just one guy who just hasn't found slashdot yet?

  3. Well Documented by spiffydudex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I must say there is a good amount of documentation. Now I know that I am more likely to come across a happy smile face than a sad face.

    1. Re:Well Documented by Dice · · Score: 1

      Sort of makes you feel better about the human race, doesn't it? :)

    2. Re:Well Documented by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Depends... Do you attribute it to drugs? ^^

      Or repression?
      After all, most people walk trough life in a walking daze.

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      Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
    3. Re:Well Documented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and drugs make you feel bad about the human race why exactly?

    4. Re:Well Documented by brunokummel · · Score: 1

      ..... Now I know that I am more likely to come across a happy smile face than a sad face.

      Only if you live in the University of Chicago Library. =)

      I wonder how much the results would change in other places....

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      What is best in life? To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of their women.
    5. Re:Well Documented by Loconut1389 · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough on my way in to work this morning, I noticed they'd repainted the elevator doors which formerly had a bit of everything, but they still hadn't done the wall which had a little smiley. I chuckled a little, having read your comment earlier.

    6. Re:Well Documented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, if you were at UChicago, you probably _did_ live in the Reg :) ... yes, speaking from personal experience ... *hangs head in shame*

  4. License? by Lorens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who is this researcher to relicense their works of art? Just because they can't complain!

    1. Re:License? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drawing dicks on a bathroom stall is a work of art now? ...Well, it's a step up from modern art at least.

    2. Re:License? by Finn61 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Kilroy?

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      "Looking good Vern."
    3. Re:License? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nonono, it is modern art.

      You appear to not understand that you've walked into my "Live Art" exhibit which can only be appreciated by those within it. "Dicks and your mom", a minor part of the exhibit, encompasses the oedipal desire inherent in males. The "Call me at 555-5555 for a good time" portion speaks of the hidden desire for pleasure which exists in the male psyche.

      My exhibit, "Masculinity" encompasses all those themes and more, speaking largely of the sexual frustrations, desire for intimacy, and lack of release that all men feel. The bathroom is used because it's a place where men can feel comfortable and able to release their frustrations, if only for a moment.

      Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to get to work on "Femininity". No, no, I won't enjoy it. After all this is *art* good sir.

    4. Re:License? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, what did you expect, from a mindset is not attached to physical reality?
      That it would make any sense at all?

      The wall with the graffiti is a physical object.
      A paper photo in your hand would be a physical object.

      But neither the graffiti itself, nor a photo of it, are physical works.
      They are ideas/information. Other rules apply.

      “Licensing”/“copyright“ is a concept, based on the misconception that ideas/information would be physical objects, and the false need of some people, to control that information.
      Trying to argue with it, using logic, is (because of that false base assumption) by definition impossible.

      The real physical rules for information are: If it’s out there, it’s out. Period.
      So you either never give it out, and won’t be able to prove that it exists at all. Or you give it out to your chosen group.
      Which can for example be people that you trust. Or, as in this case, everybody.
      In case you gave it to everybody who wants it... well, you should have thought earlier about that everybody could store and copy it at will. (Just like looking at the physical wall and then telling someone, or drawing it from memory, is storing and copying.)

      It does not matter if people want to accept that. Just as it does not matter if people want to accept gravity.
      You can try to enforce weird rules of behavior onto people, trough mental tricks of psychology. And it may be easier to do in this case, than it is for gravity. But in the end it’s futile. Because you can’t control the whole world. Even with ACTA.
      If nothing else, you will end up banning the ability to look at it, because some people became really good at memorizing and reproducing it later. And everybody who can’t remember it, will by definition not remember that it existed.

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      Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
    5. Re:License? by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      For some of the drawings that might be the case, but the vast majority are short snippets of text that probably aren't copyrightable at all. If anything's copyrightable, it might be the photograph, which is what the license is releasing as CC.

    6. Re:License? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "Call me at 555-5555 for a good time" portion speaks of the hidden desire for pleasure which exists in the male psyche.

      I've tried your 555-5555 number, and YOU HUNG UP ON ME???
      WTF!

    7. Re:License? by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can use the same logic to say that having laws against murder and rape is equally futile, because you can't physically prevent people from doing whatever they want to do without massively encroaching on their basic rights. In fact, the final conclusion of such logic is that every single law that exists is pointless because it contravenes the laws of nature, and therefore is unenforceable. Of course every law is about stopping people from doing things they're physically capable of doing. That's kind of the whole point. Why would you make legislation mandating the laws of nature / laws of physics be obeyed?

      This kind of "information is different and therefore laws to control it are stupid" thinking is therefore not in itself a compelling argument for why laws should be changed/scrapped and the idea of "intellectual property" should be completely rethought.

    8. Re:License? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      “Licensing”/“copyright“ is a concept, based on the misconception that ideas/information would be physical objects,

      Except that it's not. Where the hell did you get this bizarre idea from? It's nowhere in copyright law, which separates "the work" from the physical object it is presented upon.

    9. Re:License? by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nonono, it is modern art.

      You appear to not understand that you've walked into my "Live Art" exhibit which can only be appreciated by those within it. "Dicks and your mom", a minor part of the exhibit, encompasses the oedipal desire inherent in males. The "Call me at 555-5555 for a good time" portion speaks of the hidden desire for pleasure which exists in the male psyche.

      My exhibit, "Masculinity" encompasses all those themes and more, speaking largely of the sexual frustrations, desire for intimacy, and lack of release that all men feel. The bathroom is used because it's a place where men can feel comfortable and able to release their frustrations, if only for a moment.

      Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to get to work on "Femininity". No, no, I won't enjoy it. After all this is *art* good sir.

      You could not possibly be more wrong. What you are describing is postmodern art, the antithesis of modern art.

      Modern art sought to find universal ideals in form and materials. Eg. Paint is colour on a flat surface, so a modernist painting should emphasize colour and flatness. A painting of landscape, or portrait, etc. is trying to be something other than paint on a surface, modernism saw that as false. Truth to materials was a primary concern.

      Abandoning all concern for a skillful execution of final object, and spouting pretentious bullshit descriptions about context and how an object relates to an audience is the domain of postmodernism. another big part of postmodernism was to attempt to just make people think modernism was wrong about everything.

      The icing on the wrongness-cake is your final sentence, where you talk about not enjoying it, since it is art. Postmodernism is the first time in art history where humour and a cheeky wit have been acceptable. postmodern artists sometimes do just do it for the lulz.

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    10. Re:License? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I just say I have no idea what the hell I was talking about and your quote here

      spouting pretentious bullshit descriptions about context and how an object relates to an audience

      is exactly what I was doing the entire time.

      Pretentious bullshit is my métier, sir. Also

      The icing on the wrongness-cake is your final sentence, where you talk about not enjoying it, since it is art. Postmodernism is the first time in art history where humour and a cheeky wit have been acceptable. postmodern artists sometimes do just do it for the lulz.

      Well then obviously what I've been saying is not post-modern art at all if you say I haven't been explaining post-modern art. Ergo, quid pro quo, ego te absolvo.

    11. Re:License? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are the ugly red-headed stepchild of Bad Analogy Guy aren't you? Admit it, come on!

      All jokes aside every law is about dealing with the crime well after the fact. Police are like garbage men, they come to clean up after the trash is visible, Here is another quote, "When seconds count, police are minutes away". The law, half of the time only serves to make sure you can get to work at the end of the weekend. The same types who make the law, are the sons and daughters of the same people who enacted prohibition, all because they thought it would help their productivity of their workers. They thought drinking would prevent them from maximizing the usefulness of their "wageslaves", I mean employees.
      Work for yourself, the sooner the better. Fuck employers. Period, Full Stop.

    12. Re:License? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      postmodern artists sometimes do just do it for the lulz.

      I bet they don't refuse teh dolRRs, though.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    13. Re:License? by YourExperiment · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's okay, this is all a part of the wider Google Graffiti settlement.

    14. Re:License? by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      If anything's copyrightable, it might be the photograph, which is what the license is releasing as CC.

      But in the US, a trivial reproduction of public domain material itself cannot be copyrighted. So surely claiming Creative Commons on these images is still bogus?

    15. Re:License? by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I saw graffiti on the toilet doors of the Tate Modern - the only way I knew it wasn't meant to be part of the exhibitions is because there wasn't a placard explaining what the graffiti was about.

      Some modern art is skillful, interesting and so on. But my general rule is that if you need a placard explaining that it's art and why it's important, it isn't very good art. For example, the exhibit that was nothing more than a standard rectangular mirror hanging on the wall (!) (if she bought that mirror, can they sue her for copyright infringement? Is my bathroom mirror infringing on her copyright?)

      I think it'd be funny to just hang up some joke fake placards, next to the graffiti, or next to random doors, bits of rubbish, or other features of the building, and see how long it takes to get noticed... (Indeed, for all I know, that's what someone did with the mirror - I can't really tell.)

    16. Re:License? by 2obvious4u · · Score: 1

      Many non-art followers mix up "contemporary" with "modern"; even many people who claim to know art sometimes mix the two terms. Maybe he meant "contemporary"?

    17. Re:License? by bidule · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You can use the same logic to say that having laws against murder and rape is equally futile, because you can't physically prevent people from doing whatever they want to do without massively encroaching on their basic rights.

      No-no-no, no-no-no!

      Laws are not there to forbid you, but to protect me. I have the basic right of living, you cannot kill me. The fish does not have that right, so you can kill and eat it. Then it gets more complex as laws become the mirror of society: you cannot hug all the fishes and must share them, so killing is limited. On the other hand, you can share information because it cannot take part in a tragedy of the common.

      Well, that's the theory. In practice it's something on which you can go ad absurdum.

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      ID: the nose did not occur naturally, how would we wear glasses otherwise? (apologies to Voltaire)
    18. Re:License? by supercrisp · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your capsule summary is way off. What about Dada? Futurism? Constructivism? Mondrian? Schwitters? None of these people or groups is doing quite what you claim for Modernism, yet they're all Modern. Then you have Postmodern people like Agnes Martin who are doing something like what you claim for the Moderns. The situation is far more complex and interesting than simple parody or a textbook glossary entry makes it appear. If you have time to check them out, Modern, PoMo, and contemporary plastic arts are pretty rewarding. And some of those "pretentious bullshit descriptions" can be pretty interesting and revelatory as well. The line about Modernism and universal ideals is almost fine for a sophomore college class, but it certainly ignores a wide, wide range of artists (and writers), and frankly that notion is highly politicized, emerging from the New Critics, Clement Greenberg, and Hugh Kenner. It's pretty dated.

    19. Re:License? by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      What about the provenance?

      This stuff is not even signed.

      An image based search like gazopa would help identify the various Palmer calligraphy schools as well as the

      exquisite line art and the rare pastels.

      Case in point: The down arrow on highway 603 going to Kiln, MS. titled "Shortcut to Mexico."

    20. Re:License? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you cannot hug all the fishes and must share them, so killing is limited

      That's no good. I want to hug all the fishes by myself. Then I will kiss them and squeeze them and call them "My Squishies". There will be no killing of My Squishies.

    21. Re:License? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you write a graffiti on someone else's wall do you really believe you own any copyright to it???

      I would say the owner of the wall owns the copyright to the graffiti. I mean someone writes something on your house and you take a picture, of course the picture is yours!

      It could be different if the "artist/writer" takes the picture himself he can try to claim some copyright,
      but he would have to accept to clean the wall ...

    22. Re:License? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, the final conclusion of such logic is that every single law that exists is pointless because it contravenes the laws of nature, and therefore is unenforceable.

      Hello, friendly neighborhood philosopher here. Just a small point to make. The "laws" of nature aren't a big list of thing that can't happen. They're a big list of things that don't happen. There's a subtle but important difference. We can test if something doesn't happen. There is no test for when something can't happen. Things that can't happen and things that simply don't happen look exactly alike.

      So, it's not the case that you can't break a law of nature. It's the case that if you DO break a law of nature, it wasn't really a law of nature to begin with.

      When people say things can't happen or are physically impossible they are appealing to outdated notions of metaphysical necessity. Such ideas should go the way of phlogiston and aether.

    23. Re:License? by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      "If you write a graffiti on someone else's wall do you really believe you own any copyright to it???"

      What I always read around here is that copyright is automatic even if you don't want it copyrighted.

    24. Re:License? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but I think this "modern" and "post-modern" stuff is all BS. The word "modern" is commonly known to be about things that involve the present day. That's now, year 2010, not 1940 or whenever. 100 years from now, "modern" will mean 2110.

      There is NO SUCH THING as "post-modern", unless you have a time machine and can look into the future.

      This whole "modern/postmodern" thing is basically because art historians are apparently so stupid, they can't come up with new terms for now-past eras. So if today is "post modern", what'll it be 50-100 years from now? "postpostmodern"? "postpostpostmodern"? It's just dumb.

      I'm sure Michaelangelo and da Vinci considered their art "modern" at the time, as did the Cro-Magnon cave painters.

      So, your post is the one that's really full of pretentious bullshit. The OP was calling graffiti (in a tongue-in-cheek way) "modern art", which it is. It's art (sorta) that's created NOW, in 2010 (or at least within the past decade or so). The graffiti analyzed in the article is most certainly "modern", all created recently.

    25. Re:License? by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 1

      while you are absolutely right about all of this, there are always exceptions, typing out the full history of art from 1910-1990 for a Slashdot post would have wandered into -1 offtopic or -1 redundant territory, so I kept it as short as possible.

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    26. Re:License? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'm always surprised by people who don't understand that most words have multiple meanings.

      "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in a rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."

      All groups define words as they are needed and they are often different than how they are used by the laymen. Computer nerds do it far more often than artists. There's nothing pretentious about it, but often outsiders see it is some kind of elitism, when in truth it's a way of keeping communications simple. I was recently at a modern home tour and one of the houses was contemporary and not modern. I said it when I walked in the door and after viewing the house we all agreed. We didn't care when it was build, but how it look. Having a language to communicate such things is what people do.

      As a life long computer nerd who married an art nerd, I feel I can say that with your attitude you're missing something special.

    27. Re:License? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      All groups define words as they are needed and they are often different than how they are used by the laymen.

      That's all fine and dandy, but this is Slashdot: News for Nerds, not ArtDot: News for Artists and Art Connoisseurs. To me, and 99% of English speakers, "modern" means "relating to the present day", not something in the first half of the 20th century. So getting on someone on Slashdot for calling something "modern" instead of "postpostpostpostmodern" is just inane. It IS pretentious and elitist when you correct outsiders for their "incorrect" use of the word, when in fact it's the people inside, who for some dumb reason saw fit to redefine an existing word for their own purposes, who are using it incorrectly.

      And, my main point is my pet peeve about art: WTF is with not being able to come up with another word besides "modern"? How did "modern" get stuck in the early 20th century? What are you going to call stuff in the mid-21st century? Same goes for architecture. "Modern" means "within the past 50 years or so". "Contemporary" is the same thing: any thesaurus or dictionary will tell you that. If you need to describe a certain style, than make up a name for that style!! For instance, Frank Lloyd Wright's buildings are considered "Prairie style", and associated architects come from the "Arts & Crafts" and "Craftsman" movements. See, those names aren't tied to relative time, any more than "cubism", "impressionism", "dadaism", or "surrealism" are, even though those artistic movements generally happened at certain points in history.

      So it seems to me that the art-fans have gotten incredibly lazy in the last 50 years or so, and instead of making up real names for trends, have lazily resorted to just trying to redefine the words "modern" and "contemporary".

    28. Re:License? by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      Actually, its an ancient form of art. ROMANES EUNT DOMIS!

    29. Re:License? by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 1

      this is Slashdot: News for Nerds, not ArtDot: News for Artists and Art Connoisseurs.

      To me, and 99% of English speakers, "modern" means "relating to the present day", not something in the first half of the 20th century.

      1. most artists ARE nerds. most nerds are picky about terms being used accurately. The topic of this entire thread relates to art.

      2. mod*ern
      –adjective
      1. of or pertaining to present and recent time; not ancient or remote: modern city life.
      2. characteristic of present and recent time; contemporary; not antiquated or obsolete: modern viewpoints.
      3. of or pertaining to the historical period following the Middle Ages: modern European history.
      4. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of contemporary styles of art, literature, music, etc., that reject traditionally accepted or sanctioned forms and emphasize individual experimentation and sensibility.

      5. (initial capital letter) new (def. 12).
      6. Typography. noting or descriptive of a font of numerals in which the body aligns on the baseline, as 1234567890. Compare old style (def. 3).
      –noun
      7. a person of modern times.
      8. a person whose views and tastes are modern.
      9. Printing. a type style differentiated from old style by heavy vertical strokes and straight serifs.

      of those 9 definitions for modern, 4 define things other than 'the last 50 years'
      se/modern

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    30. Re:License? by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 1

      the url to the dictionary displayed correctly in the preview, but changed in the final version. weird.
      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/modern

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      -I only code in BASIC.-
    31. Re:License? by bidule · · Score: 1

      omg! hog, thank you!

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      ID: the nose did not occur naturally, how would we wear glasses otherwise? (apologies to Voltaire)
    32. Re:License? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I saw graffiti on the toilet doors of the Tate Modern - the only way I knew it wasn't meant to be part of the exhibitions is because there wasn't a placard explaining what the graffiti was about.

      You fell for it too? Consider your assumptions challenged.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    33. Re:License? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      That's all good and well, but none of those seem to indicate anything that's constrained to the past. For instance, the typography definition. Sure, it may go back more than 50 years, but we still use it, so it's still considered "modern". When that form of typography goes by the wayside, like Gothic fonts, and something else becomes predominant, then a new name will need to be found for it.

      I know everyone loves car analogies, so here's one: It's sort of like saying "modern cars use steering wheels for steering". This, I think, is a true statement: all current production cars use steering wheels. Of course, steering wheels go back to the early 1900s or so, so "modern" involves most of automotive history. It doesn't involve ALL of it though: before steering wheels became popular, cars (known as "horseless carriages" back then) used something called a "tiller" for steering, which was basically a big lever. So at one brief point of history, it would have been correct to say "modern cars use tillers for steering", but within a decade that became untrue as tillers became obsolete.

      Same goes with #2: "modern viewpoints". Many modern viewpoints haven't changed significantly in 50-100 years. Some things just take a long time to change. It's a "modern viewpoint" in Western culture that governments should be democratically elected, instead of having royalty, but this viewpoint goes back far more than 100 years (depending on exactly which country you're in).

      #1 and #2 are the key definitions of "modern". Something can be old and still modern if it hasn't changed much, but when something completely different takes over, then the formerly-modern thing can no longer be properly called "modern", and needs to find a new name. Or else you're going to be stuck on the stupid "post^n-modern" cycle.

      Of course, this doesn't mean that the formerly-modern thing needs to find a new name now. Lots of times, historians coin new names for things after-the-fact. For instance, I'm fairly sure the Weimar Republic in Germany (the time before Hitler took over) was NOT called that while it was in existence. That was a name that people called it after it fell. They probably even called it "the modern government" at the time, since it was rather different from the pre-WWI government with the Kaiser. But now, whenever we refer to that point in German history, that's the name we call it. We sure don't call it the "modern German government", because that would just be dumb.

    34. Re:License? by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 1

      all good points.

      One thing I should have clarified earlier, but it slipped my mind until now:

      In the art world, they differentiate between 'modern' is the colloquial sense, and "Modern" as a distinct movement from 1910's to 1960's by capitalizing the "M"

      'modern' is synonymous with 'contemporary'
      'Modern' is the historical art movement
      Postmodern is the movement following the Modern era.

      Their are similar confusions in books that use "Contemporary" in the title. I've seen books published in the 1960's calling themselves "Contemporary Art"
      NO! do not usurp another word! The modern/Modern thing is enough!

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      -I only code in BASIC.-
    35. Re:License? by MrResistor · · Score: 1

      As a math and computer nerd who grew up in a family of artists, I couldn't disagree more.

      All groups define words as they are needed and they are often different than how they are used by the laymen.

      This is true, every field has it's jargon.

      Computer nerds do it far more often than artists. There's nothing pretentious about it, but often outsiders see it is some kind of elitism, when in truth it's a way of keeping communications simple.

      In number of words you may be correct (though I'm far from convinced), but there are critical differences in how it is done.

      Computer nerds often redefine words to describe something new, which doesn't have a name yet. This is different from the scientific use of Latin only in that Latin is pretty much a "dead" language, and English is very much "alive". The objective is to facilitate communication about new ideas, and the new definitions are rarely, if ever, imposed outside of those specialized discussions.

      In the art world, however, terms are frequently defined and used with the specific purpose of establishing "in" and "out" groups, and those arbitrary redefinitions are frequently imposed on outsiders in order to show how "ignorant" they are. Indeed, if you claim this is not pretentious or elitist, then I say you must be trying to arbitrarily redefine those terms to suit your own argument, which is a common annoying habit I've found among the artistic community.

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  5. Window into their heads ... by Gopal.V · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They're thinking, they're feeling. And they want you to know. That's why they paint it on walls, cliffs and carve it into the school benches. There's this school of thought that believes that it will go away if nobody reads it. But they've really never done something, stood a few feet away and sighed about getting it off your head. Ignoring it and waiting for it to go away is dumb.

    Keeping tabs on the expression gives you a much more clear indication of what the pulse of the otherwise silent are thinking. This is a fun experiment because nobody wall painting is doing it because they want to be part of a statistic ... unlike a girl with a clipboard asking questions.

    I remember being in a train in melbourne, riding past a few walls full of legal graffiti (union lane?) and wondering what the line between art and vandalism really was.

    1. Re:Window into their heads ... by chill · · Score: 5, Informative

      I remember being in a train in melbourne, riding past a few walls full of legal graffiti (union lane?) and wondering what the line between art and vandalism really was.

      You can stop wondering. The line is drawn with the permission of the property owner. Vandalism is a crime unrelated to the artistic merit of the work, it has to do with property ownership rights.

      From an artistic point of view, it is drawn when the intent is to deface or damage instead of create.

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    2. Re:Window into their heads ... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I remember being in a train in melbourne

      Have you been around long enough to remember MAX+GJE? Any ideas on where it came from?

    3. Re:Window into their heads ... by Sique · · Score: 0

      From an artistic point of view, it is drawn when the intent is to deface or damage instead of create.

      I would object to that line. There is something called creative destruction. There are artworks whose purpose it is to be destructed. And I know several ruins which were actually built to be ruins.

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    4. Re:Window into their heads ... by mikael_j · · Score: 0

      What if the intent is both to damage and cause those observing the damage to think? As in, not so much smashing something you don't like because you hate it but smash it in a way that you hope will make people think about how said thing affects something else? Artistically your purpose is still very much to destroy or damage something but with the hope that those viewing the destruction will have thoughts "created" in their heads, basically creativity by proxy where the proxy happens to be the destruction and subsequent observation of the destruction.

      /Mikael

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    5. Re:Window into their heads ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is no line between vandalism and art, because they're not disjunct. They're orthogonal concepts. Vandalism can be art. But even when it is art, vandalism is still a crime. It boils down to two separate questions: What is art? What is vandalism? All four combinations (art and vandalism, art and not vandalism, not art and not vandalism, vandalism and not art) exist.

    6. Re:Window into their heads ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure the property owner didn't "permiss" that anyone destroy their property period. Your line of thinking is flawed. The End.

    7. Re:Window into their heads ... by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      The word you are looking for is "permit".

      Also, laws that dictate property rights do not dictate whether or not an action, lawful or not, is artistic.

      /Mikael

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    8. Re:Window into their heads ... by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      Mod this coward up, he speaks the truth.

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    9. Re:Window into their heads ... by imakemusic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Often the line is drawn by the officials whose job it is to remove graffiti. Someone commissioned a graffiti artist to paint a piece on their shop front. The council then removed the piece from his property without his permission or even his knowledge for no real reason other than being over-zealous.

      Or there's the Banksy piece that was done in the centre of town which went to a public vote on whether or not to remove it. The city voted to keep it.

      Remember - not all graffiti is tagging and vandalism.

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    10. Re:Window into their heads ... by miro2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, they are orthogonal categories. Some things are art, some are vandalism, some are neither, and some are both.

    11. Re:Window into their heads ... by chill · · Score: 1

      Mmmmm...a specific exception, and the intent would STILL be of the artist who did the creation.

      If *I* (or anyone) creates a piece of art whose purpose is to be destroyed -- Indian sand painting? -- that is one thing. If some jerk comes along and beats my statue to dust, claiming it was to make people think or the act was his commentary, that isn't art or acceptable.

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    12. Re:Window into their heads ... by Sir_Lewk · · Score: 1

      I would agree that the violent destruction of a statue is not acceptable, but I think it is wrong to assert it cannot be art. Attempts to define art in anything but a completely open-ended manner are always doomed to failure. What you consider senseless destruction another man may consider art. Who are you to define what other people are allowed to consider artistic?

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    13. Re:Window into their heads ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It can be more complex than that. The vandalism may be an integral part of the art or incidental to the art.

  6. Blah... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Funny

    When the library at the local community college had a wooden tables in the study area, there was a rich history of graffiti from 20 years of students studying for exams. When they build a new library with modern non-wood tables, the graffiti no longer existed. The florescent pen graffiti on the condom machines in the restrooms was a poor substitute.

    1. Re:Blah... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      When the library at the local community college had a wooden tables in the study area, there was a rich history of graffiti from 20 years of students studying for exams. When they build a new library with modern non-wood tables, the graffiti no longer existed. The florescent pen graffiti on the condom machines in the restrooms was a poor substitute.

      Did any of it say "insert baby for refund"?

    2. Re:Blah... by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      When they build a new library with modern non-wood tables, the graffiti no longer existed. The florescent pen graffiti on the condom machines in the restrooms was a poor substitute.

      I agree with that underlaying thought; the sterility of our society makes it not as authentic as it can be. It's like holding a book, with some smudges, signs of usage, people leaving trails and the object being a subject of a living, organic process.

      While I feel it shouldn't be "allowed", it should to a certain degree be tolerated as organic expression and a capture of time.

      It's not just a modern phenomomen, in pompei they already knew grafitti which painted a picture of daily life for us today.

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    3. Re:Blah... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      No. The fire station across the street has a mail slot with this sign: "Insert baby for safe adoption."

  7. Some more UChicago graffiti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We also have some brilliant graffiti in the grout between the tiles in the downstairs bathroom in the Bartlett dining commons. For example,
    "I'm a celebrity, get me grout of here!"
    "Commutator subgrout of prime order"
    "I'm on the groutside looking in"
    "What's this all agrout?"

    1. Re:Some more UChicago graffiti by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Insightful
      That's a lot like our library where we have this gem, written in pencil, using different fonts and sizes, on a concrete pillar:

      Structural concrete
      Structural concrete
      Structural concrete
      I FUCKING LOVE STRUCTURAL CONCRETE!

      I like to think of graffiti as being real-life anonymous troll posts, especially when others cross them out an/or respond to them.

    2. Re:Some more UChicago graffiti by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      What's it all agrout, Alfie?

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    3. Re:Some more UChicago graffiti by ockegheim · · Score: 1

      What would be interesting is graffiti from the toilet cubicles, with a Slashdot-style way to filter the boring racist and homophobic stuff to -1. And rate stuff like:

      "Nothing is more overrated than bad sex. And nothing is more underrated than a good shit"
      (5: Insightful)

      [On a newly painted door]: "Virgin door- not any more"
      (2: Funny)

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    4. Re:Some more UChicago graffiti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      This is also all over the bathrooms of Reed College, along with some variations:
      "Grout White Whale"
      "Trade Groutes"
      "Wireless Grouter"
      "404 Tile Not Found" (written on the tile, rather than between)

      It also migrated to the men's bathroom at Powell's Books (a local independent book store), prompting a response of "I hate Reedies."

      (For those of you not familiar with either school, there exists somewhat of a psuedo-rivalry between the two, as the intersection of their two applicant pools is pretty large).

    5. Re:Some more UChicago graffiti by keytoe · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's funny - I thought 'grout puns' were somewhat unique to my local pub men's room. Except our graffiti is all literary references:

      • Grout Expectations
      • The Grouting of the Shrew
      • The Grout Gatsby

      And no, it's not like we're near the university or anything. It's a pretty low-brow suburban pub in a strip mall, so I was surprised to see graffiti veer in a literary direction.

    6. Re:Some more UChicago graffiti by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      You forgot, "Don't be a great writer... be a grout writer!" (From Graffiti in the PAC Ten

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    7. Re:Some more UChicago graffiti by ClosedSource · · Score: 1

      I prefer this little diddy from the early 70s:

      Don't change Dicks in the middle of a screw,
      Vote for Nixon in 72.

    8. Re:Some more UChicago graffiti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time I find a swastika on a bathroom wall I take out my own pen/marker and make it into a window, then fill it in with color pencil to make the windows logo. I know that here on slashdot, some will claim I'm actually further defacing the wall, but I like to think it's the lesser of two evils =P

  8. Interesting, but... by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I doubt any widely-relevant conclusions at all can be drawn from this analysis. It is somewhat interesting, but the hundreds of samples (which is not really that many) are probably created by a mere handful of individuals, most all of whom belong to a particular group - male undergraduate students, 18-24, residing in or near a certain Chicago neighborhood. So certainly there is no way to apply any findings to any larger group. A fun exercise for statistics nerds, perhaps, but of little scientific value.

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    1. Re:Interesting, but... by srothroc · · Score: 0

      It doesn't have to be useful to be neat.

    2. Re:Interesting, but... by dissy · · Score: 1

      A fun exercise for statistics nerds, perhaps, but of little scientific value.

      The same can be said about making posts to Slashdot.
      I don't think you really have the right to complain about other peoples hobbies not being scientific when you do the exact same thing, just like all of us do.

      Perhaps if she was claiming this was scientific in some way, your statement could be read as a criticism instead... But all we have is some IT geek having senseless fun, and others complaining it is not scientific. Whatever happened to the Slashdot for nerds?

    3. Re:Interesting, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Quinn calls it a "pseudo-scientific" analysis on her blog and adds "disclaimers for the pedantic." '
      http://www.crescatgraffiti.com/2010/02/02/pseudo-scientific-analysis-of-graffiti-with-disclaimers-for-pedanti/

    4. Re:Interesting, but... by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      Why is this under Science instead of Idle?

    5. Re:Interesting, but... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Which makes it a step up in honesty from some psychological tests. Experimental psychology is almost always the empirical study of college students taking their first psychology course.

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  9. Interesting by oljanx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But a sample of 620 pieces over three years isn't large enough for useful analysis. I'd like to see this concept applied to graffiti large cities. I'm sure there are crews responsible for removing the graffiti that could document it in the process.

    1. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention reverse graffiti! A differential analysis between colored and reversed graffiti would indeed be interesting.

    2. Re:Interesting by jaminJay · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder if the FOIA would include all of the photos snapped along the lines before the scrubbers paint a fresh new "canvas" up... There would be literally decades of data, and I believe they already do analysis such that they can identify any person's style such that, if nabbed for one, you're done for all.

      PS: I know this occurs because I was at a freshly tagged station when the poor sod was taking (digital) photos and documenting everything before painting over them in a not-quite-the-same tan. Interest was piqued, questioning ensued.

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    3. Re:Interesting by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      I don't know about other cities but in Bristol, UK there are at least two people whose job it is to find, photograph, document and then remove graffiti.

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  10. Let me be the first to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy fuck, that shit is fucking awesome! Well done, Quinn!

    I was going to post some ASCII graffiti here, but couldn't because of the lameness/whitespace filter, so I posted my graffiti comment on inklingmagazine.com.

  11. No conclusions .... by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    All that work and she hasn't been able to come up with any conclusions or reasons for her observed results. Surely that's the (only) point of spending such a long time collecting that data. However, it only represents one single place in one single country so it's not really representative of anything. Plus she breaks the data down by month, so there are really only two data points for each time period, therefore no possibility of showing a year-on-year (let alone generational) trend.

    Maybe she should come back in 10 years or so, when there's a reasonable body of data. Then there'd be the start of something worth publishing.

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  12. Barbarians at the gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only a fool would damage a library.
    I remember when I was younger in school, checking the Merck index and I would find certain pages related to drug precursors were not in the books I ordered for viewing. I asked the librarians if they had been censored and the librarians assured they had not. They didn't know about it, it didn't affect my research as an "academic", whatever that is, I feel that destroying books of any kind is surly a slight against all of modern civilization. Only a barbarian would damage a book, regardless of their motive, be it for profit or otherwise. Damaging a library isn't any better.

    1. Re:Barbarians at the gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to agree with you, until I read the first half of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianetics:_The_Modern_Science_of_Mental_Health . At that point I was at serious risk of getting a concussion from all the facepalming and decided that for my own sake I should stop reading. I intend to burn the book one day.

      But with that exception, I haven't found any books that deserves destruction.

  13. Wish I had mod points by ericvids · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This may be the BEST counterargument ever to "all information should be free". Bravo!

    However, while I genuinely want to mod you up, I do believe that CURRENT laws to control information are stupid. Similar to how laws can sometimes be unfairly and maliciously used to allow known murderers to remain innocent and walk freely, many patents and copyrights are unfairly and maliciously used to prevent people from contributing to the greater good of humanity. Patents in particular are a minefield -- something's clearly wrong with a system that encourages trolls to cripple the true innovators.

    Back to the topic, I believe what the researcher did, copyrighting her photographs, is all right, regardless of whether she released it under Creative Commons. I don't believe she was copyrighting the actual message on the graffiti anyway, just the expression of it on photograph. (Of course properly the copyright should be attributed to both HER and whoever made the graffiti, but then I would suppose THAT's public domain since the original author didn't stake a claim to it...)

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    1. Re:Wish I had mod points by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      The original author[s] doesn't have to stake a claim to it. He fixed it in a tangible form, and is thus granted copyright over the work according to the various laws of the US and international treaties. The researchers here are violating his copyright by distributing copies of his work (the photos).

    2. Re:Wish I had mod points by drkim · · Score: 1

      The author of the graffiti can claim copyright - however they cannot make a profit from it, since many states have laws saying that the criminal cannot profit from the fruits of their crime. (Although I don't know if this is true in IL)

      They could theoretically claim it, but since they would be admitting guilt, without the hope of profit, there would be little benefit.

    3. Re:Wish I had mod points by ericvids · · Score: 1

      Wow, I honestly didn't realize this. :))

      I guess I'm too used to seeing graffiti to even THINK that really ought to be illegal. =))

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    4. Re:Wish I had mod points by drkim · · Score: 1

      I think everyone here knows it's illegal...
      I was just putting a slightly finer 'point' on it by saying - it's not just that you would have criminal penalties; it's that you would have criminal penalties and no monetary profits at all.

      :)

  14. "do not pay interest to cultural phenomena by k2r · · Score: 0, Troll

    because they are illegal!"

    I don't consider your comment insightful.

    1. Re:"do not pay interest to cultural phenomena by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      I am proud to say that in going through the photos on the site, I found something I wrote!

      Helped that I knew what too look for since it was about the only thing I ever wrote on the side of a study carrel in the reg

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  15. art/vandalism not mutually exclusive by k2r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't agree.
    From a judicial POV some act may be vandalism / destructive act to property without the owner agreeing.
    From an artistic POV the same act may still be art.

    Of course "doing art" so someones property without agreement is a problem.
    However, the "lines" are not so easily spotted: What about chalking on the pavement or laser-projections on a publicly owned building?

  16. Its not a "false need" by Viol8 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "and the false need of some people, to control that information."

      What a load of reactionary BS. People control information for a number of reasons but copyright is there so the people who created the work - you know , the ones who spent months or years creating a piece of music or a book (surprise! They don't just magic themselves into existence!) - can earn some money from their efforts before ungrateful and clueless morons like you think you're entitled to it for free just because you can copy it easily.

    Grow up!

    1. Re:Its not a "false need" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "People control information for a number of reasons but copyright -was- there so the people who created the work [..]"

      Fixed it for you.

    2. Re:Its not a "false need" by ultranova · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      People control information for a number of reasons but copyright is there so the people who created the work - you know , the ones who spent months or years creating a piece of music or a book (surprise! They don't just magic themselves into existence!) - can earn some money from their efforts before ungrateful and clueless morons like you think you're entitled to it for free just because you can copy it easily.

      Isn't insisting that other people behave in a certain way just so you can make money kinda implying a sense of entitlement on your part? And no, hard work doesn't entitle you to get money, even if you persist for years; and it most certainly doesn't entitle you to enforce rules designed to make you money on others.

      Maybe you should consider getting a day job, and composing/writing on your free time? Then you wouldn't have to try to control other people to make profit, and the rest of us wouldn't have to subsidy you indulging your creative impulses through government monopoly.

      Grow up!

      Oh the irony.

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    3. Re:Its not a "false need" by dangitman · · Score: 1

      And no, hard work doesn't entitle you to get money,

      Since when did copyright law entitle people to get money? Your entire post is based on a flawed premise.

      Maybe you should consider getting a day job, and composing/writing on your free time? Then you wouldn't have to try to control other people to make profit,

      But every type of employment is subject to laws, and therefore, by your philosophy "controlling people for profit."

      and the rest of us wouldn't have to subsidy you indulging your creative impulses through government monopoly.

      Wait, what? You do realize that the government doesn't pay people for simply creating a copyrighted works, don't you?

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    4. Re:Its not a "false need" by ultranova · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "and no, hard work doesn't entitle you to get money"

      Yes it does if you decide to sell your work instead of giving it away.

      No it doesn't. No matter how hard you work, you might get nothing.

      "even if you persist for years; and it most certainly doesn't entitle you to enforce rules designed to make you money on others."

      What is this , Communism 101?

      No, Capitalism 101. You might work hard, you might still fail to make any money. If you fail, you should think of some more efficient way of spending your effort, rather than insisting that the government should protect your business model from the realities (such as "information is easy to copy").

      "Then you wouldn't have to try to control other people"

      Nothing to do with controlling. If you want the work pay for it. Don't expect to get it for free if its not being given away free. And don't even start to bleat about your rights since you obviously have no idea what rights are.

      Except that it is being given away for free, on Pirate Bay for example. That's why I can get it for free. You and the rest of copyright people are trying to prevent this by imposing control over those people's actions who are giving it away for free.

      And which "government monopoly" would this be? Or are we heading off into conspiracy theory here?

      Copyright.

      Hardly. You're a cookie cutter lefty and sadly typical of the type. Mind you , you probably didn't even think your post up - you probably just copied it.

      Do you even know what "left" and "right" mean in politics? Or did you just add them to your post to conjure up some McCarty-era boogeyman?

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  17. Copyright violation? by tjstork · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just wanted to throw out that technically she's violating the copyright of the graffiti owner, and cannot be distributing that work. I think all the graffiti authors should step forward and claim their share of her enormous royalties. If you are a graffiti writer, please click [this is a joke] to claim your giant prize.

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    1. Re:Copyright violation? by adosch · · Score: 1

      I think all the graffiti authors should step forward and claim their share of her enormous royalties

      ...or claim their guilt in defacing private or state property. I'm sure the college would love to employ free custodial labor with a looming prosectution held over the head of the guilty to scrub bathroom walls and re-paint for them.

    2. Re:Copyright violation? by dissy · · Score: 1

      ...or claim their guilt in defacing private or state property. I'm sure the college would love to employ free custodial labor with a looming prosectution held over the head of the guilty to scrub bathroom walls and re-paint for them.

      Very true point.

      But think about it a minute. In the USA, if you can not determine how many people downloaded her infringing images, you are guaranteed a minimum of $80000 per potentially infringed work.

      At those rates, I'd probably be willing to admit guilt to defacing public property, pay the thousand dollar fine, and then pay someone an hourly rate to clean everything for me.

      I'm pretty sure I'd still have quite a bit of cash left!

      Of course we all know it doesn't really work that way. Unless the graffiti artist can convince the court that their scenes tag is the name of a corporation they work for or something ;}

    3. Re:Copyright violation? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. Somebody can take a picture of the Eiffel Tower or another piece of 'art' (the French would disagree on my definition of art though) and sell that picture for profit and/or have copyright on that picture. However if you paint another wall the same as the graffiti-artist did on the original wall or you make it look like or claim that your picture is the original art then you could run into copyright issues.

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    4. Re:Copyright violation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not at all. Simply draw your grafitti in a sketchbook, then register the copyright, then draw it up on the wall. When suing the researcher, defend the copyright on the legal original in the sketchbook, not the illegal copy on the wall. Deny making the copy on the wall.

      Of course, there is a more fundamental flaw with this legal strategy: Never sue poor people.
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    5. Re:Copyright violation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily. Somebody can take a picture of the Eiffel Tower or another piece of 'art' (the French would disagree on my definition of art though) and sell that picture for profit and/or have copyright on that picture.

      Well there's also the fact that the Eiffel Tower is public property. So regardless if you consider the structure a piece of art, its image would be in the French equivalent of Public Domain (well, mostly anyway). Of course, since the graffiti in this article is a collection of anonymous works on the walls of a public building, the totality of it might be considered a "gift" to the University.

      However if you paint another wall the same as the graffiti-artist did on the original wall or you make it look like or claim that your picture is the original art then you could run into copyright issues.

      IMHO, we can only hope that copyright is reformed so that some day the above situation is most absurd case of copyright tort society has to worry.

  18. Soldier Port-a-John graffiti overseas by adosch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think regardless of where you find it or what type of person are, graffiti is pretty entertaining and intriguing. I think the most amusing graffiti I've seen that encompasses about every walk of life, rank or status and is among the same topic fairing FTFA above was in a Port-a-john during different points in my life, most notably when I was deployed in Iraq. Considering the type of foot traffic that hit these port-a-john's is much more broader than the foot traffic that hits a university library and the fact that, at least when I was in basic training, it was a push-up affair every time you didn't have a black ballpoint pen on your person, the odds were pretty high for someone to carve their opinion in any artistic form into the wall for everyone else to ponder AND respond to.

    It's almost a comical affair now to realize I used to go out of my way to keep track of all the "Black Ninja Rule Number n" and actually look for them when I was pouring sweat trying to take a crap or try to unbuckle 50lbs worth of gear and stow it beside me with I pissed in those crackjack boxes.

    1. Re:Soldier Port-a-John graffiti overseas by BetterSense · · Score: 1

      Truck stops are famous for bathroom graffiti. I've seen truck stops in the midwest that gave up on trying to keep it erased and provided a dry-erase board and marker. Seriously.

  19. Banksy by NCG_Mike · · Score: 1

    Someone defaced one of his paintings recently. It's the one near College Green (Bristol) that is a window on the side of a house with a guy hanging on the window ledge.

    1. Re:Banksy by Omestes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Can you really "deface" graffiti? Isn't graffiti just defacement (vandalism) itself, so how can one really deface it? If this Banksy person had permission from the property owners, then his piece isn't graffiti. If he didn't secure their permission, then he should be hunted down and thrown in jail.

      Don't mean to sound overly troll-ish, but I'm getting sick of people glorifying graffiti.

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    2. Re:Banksy by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I'm already shocked by all the stupid liberals here defending vandalism as if it's some kind of "art". BS.

      As for this Banksy person (never heard of him), if he's one of those talented outdoor mural artists, that's different: they have permission. When someone who owns a wall or whatever allows you to paint on it, that's not "graffiti", any more than "The Last Supper" by da Vinci is.

      I don't care how "talented" you think some "artist" is. If he's painting on publicly or privately owned property without permission, then that's called vandalism and is a crime.

      There's also some talented outdoor artists who draw in chalk on public sidewalks, BTW. I don't know if they get permission from the city or not, but their artwork is gone the next time it rains, so I don't have much of a problem with that.

    3. Re:Banksy by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      One can't deface graffiti anymore than one can trash garbage.

    4. Re:Banksy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modern architecture is the defacement, graffiti is the cure.

    5. Re:Banksy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When someone who owns a wall or whatever allows you to paint on it, that's not "graffiti"

      Yes, stupid conservative, it still is graffiti. Illegal is not part of the definition of graffiti. "Graffiti is words or pictures that are written or drawn in public places, for example on walls or posters."

    6. Re:Banksy by Omestes · · Score: 1

      I agree with you, with a caveat. I am a liberal (I don't think I'm stupid, though). I don't think that supporting/opposing vandalism is a divisive partisan political issue. Yes, there are members of the mostly liberal "art" crowd who think graffiti is the next big thing, but they hardly represent the whole spectrum of liberal views.

      Actually I'm sick of the whole liberal vs. conservative thing.

      I, for example, am a liberal against Obama's healthcare mess (and pretty much everything else he coughs up these days), I believe in fiscal responsibility, I have nothing against guns, etc... My best friend is a conservative who thinks the "tea bag" movement is a tragic joke, Sarah Palin is the worst thing to happen to politics in recent history, and thinks that some degree of socialized medicine in needed.

      Thinks aren't black and white, and people aren't cartoons.

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    7. Re:Banksy by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Exactly. You don't sound much like a typical liberal to me either; usually, they seem to hate guns with a passion, think that criminals should get a slap on the wrist (it's not their fault, etc.), that anyone who doesn't feel like working should get a big fat welfare check, that the borders should be open to everyone, as if 6 billion more people could fit here, etc.

      The liberal issues I do like are especially the environmental ones. You'd think "conservatives", if they really lived up to that name, would be in favor of conservation, but they're usually not. I'd like it if things could be a little more like they were in the 1800s, but that's not going to happen if everything's polluted and every open space is paved with asphalt, and no natural beauty is left because people haven't taken care of the planet, and have had too many babies.

      As for fiscal responsibility, traditional liberals have never cared much about that, but "conservatives" haven't cared about it in the last 30 years either. Maybe if a new political party rose up which made a platform on TRUE fiscal responsibility, they could get elected. It'd help if they had moderate views on everything else too, since the Dems and Reps are such extremists.

      As for my conservative views, I thought the "tea bag" movement seemed like a good idea at the beginning (stop spending so much money on stupid stuff like bailouts), but it's basically been hijacked by Republicans who think the GOP isn't extreme enough, plus they now have Sarah Palin as one of their speakers. She's a complete twit, and it galls me that so many people are such big fans of her. She makes GWB look like a genius.

      I also agree that some type of socialized medicine is needed, but nothing like this Obamacare crap, which basically seems like a big give-away to the big insurance companies, and won't do anything to actually reduce the grossly inflated costs of healthcare in this country. Instead of analyzing the problem and fixing it, they just want to throw a bunch of money at it and spread the cost around among all the taxpayers, so that no monied interests (the insurance companies, the pharma companies, and the trial lawyers) are inconvenienced in any way.

    8. Re:Banksy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      usually, they seem to hate guns with a passion, think that criminals should get a slap on the wrist (it's not their fault, etc.), that anyone who doesn't feel like working should get a big fat welfare check, that the borders should be open to everyone, as if 6 billion more people could fit here, etc.

      You should point me to some of these liberals. That sounds more like the "liberal" strawman that conservatives like to attack.

    9. Re:Banksy by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the general population (because, as you know, the people who get the attention are the ones who are loudest and most visible), but they're in places like Congress, and various special-interest groups like the Brady Campaign, La Raza, ACORN, etc. The biggest place, of course, is Congress. Welfare is still one of the largest expenditures in the Federal budget, the Federal government does almost nothing to enforce the borders or immigration laws, Democrats are constantly trying to pass restrictive gun laws, our new AG has a very strong anti-gun record, etc. If Congress wanted to change these things, they could.

      Conservatives continue to attack this "strawman" because these are the policies that are in place. If the policies changed, then this "strawman" would go away.

    10. Re:Banksy by Omestes · · Score: 1

      that the borders should be open to everyone, as if 6 billion more people could fit here, etc.

      Actually that bit of lunacy is extremely bipartisan. Liberals love it because of the human rights and cultural idealism aspects (borders are evil, illegal deserve the same chances we have, etc...). Conservatives love it because it keeps wages down, breaks unions, and reduces the costs of operation. and for both parties this issue is very important for wooing the all-important body of Hispanic voters ("screw the country, I want to stay in office at any cost")

      For example, I live in Phoenix, Arizona, the center of the illegal immigration maelstrom. Our paper is a rather heavy handed Republican rag, and you can hardly read a single issue without stumbling upon a pro-illegal immigration piece, or an attack piece on our county sheriff for being against it.

      Reading our liberal news magazine, "The New Times" one can often forget that it is a heavily liberal biased magazine and not the Republic. Every single story, in every single issue is lambasting people against immigration as racist, nazi, bastards, or attacking our sheriff for being against illegal immigration.

      Both of these ignore the fact that most polls find that 65%+ of Arizonans are opposed to illegal immigration, and that in just about every election we pass propositions trying to restrict it.

      Hell, look at John McCain, he's one of the most pro-illegal immigration people in national politics, even with his conservative pedigree.

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    11. Re:Banksy by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      What a coincidence, I live in Phoenix too!

      Your whole post is exactly right. I'm going to be really disgusted if McCain gets re-elected this year. I'm hoping AZ voters will finally throw him out, but the fact that his only current competition is the extremist Hayworth doesn't look good. And the Dems will probably put up some open-borders advocate.

      I'm really looking forward to moving out of this state. Phoenix has really turned into a pit in the last 10 years.

    12. Re:Banksy by MrResistor · · Score: 1

      One can't deface graffiti anymore than one can trash garbage.

      What a ridiculously ignorant statement.

      A lot of graffiti has the primary purpose of marking gang territory. When those are defaced with other pieces of graffiti it is a sign of gang territorial disputes. Defacement is in fact the intention of the second artist.

      Where you really show your ignorance, though, is in the implication that graffiti can't be art. Do you honestly believe that art needs to be officially sanctioned for it to have any validity?

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    13. Re:Banksy by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      I know all about gang tagging.

      If the graffiti is on public property, or private property, its damage and violation.

  20. terrorists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's still illegal and often makes local people unhappy.

    I think that meets the criteria of a terrorist action. Let's have a Senate committee start a federal task force to data mine SWIFT data for possible suspects.

  21. No , you didn't. by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    Its not past tense much as you'd like it otherwise.

    1. Re:No , you didn't. by ae1294 · · Score: 1

      Its not past tense much as you'd like it otherwise.

      Hummm death+50 years sounds like past tense in some cases.

  22. Missing pictures of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the article says that there are virtually no pictures of Vajayjays in the graffiti, I find this odd. As somebody who spends a good deal of time working on construction sites and has seen a great deal of stuff on the walls. I definitely see more pictures referring to female genitals than male.

    Can anybody else corroborate?

    Also on a side note perhaps one of the best was a drawing of a bear and a tree stump asking of bears $hit in the woods. Seen any others of interest?

  23. Re:do not pay interest to graffiti? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't solve crime by ignoring it.

  24. Who is Davin Reed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is Davin Reed?

  25. Not very original by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Something similar was done almost 30 years ago.

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  26. Dear Quinn Dombrowski... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    You really, really, really need to get a life! You've got nothing better to do on a Saturday night than photography graffiti?!? That sad... really sad. Perhaps you should consider changing your name to something more appealing, e.g. "Tiffany Minx". That might make it easier for you to get a date, so you wouldn't need to continue to sublimate your unmet desires by documenting the musings of sexually frustrated males, while simultaneously wondering why none of them are desperate enough to actually ask you out...

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    1. Re:Dear Quinn Dombrowski... by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "while simultaneously wondering why none of them are desperate enough to actually ask you out..."

      That's because she's married you fool.

      http://www.quinndombrowski.com/

      What's really sad is that you took the time to troll this slashdot article without even googling her name.

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    2. Re:Dear Quinn Dombrowski... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      My apologies... obviously she just needed something to do whilst her husband was Slaving away (pun intended) on his thesis.

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  27. What a waste by gx5000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is this considered trendy ? Of scientific merit ? How much money went into this nonsense ?? We still don't have cures for the worst of our ills but we'll study pot modern cave paintings ?

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    1. Re:What a waste by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      I know, I mean they haven't even cured that stick up your arse yet!

    2. Re:What a waste by gx5000 · · Score: 1

      Hey ! It's the only thing holding up my pants ! :-p

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  28. xkcd? by Spacepup · · Score: 2

    Someone is seriously doing this as research?
    It's like XKCD just happened in real life.
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    Wait.
    What?
    http://xkcd.com/

  29. ... or just in time for Valentine's Day... by tomatoguy · · Score: 1
    By the same author, The Calculus of Saying I Love You

    http://www.inklingmagazine.com/articles/the-calculus-of-saying-i-love-you/

  30. But they practically cannot prove it. by ericvids · · Score: 1

    Yes, authors don't have to claim copyright in order to have it. But for all practical purposes, no person CAN claim copyright on these works. Even taking into account the anonymous works provisions of copyright, it is the burden of the supposed authors to claim that the work is theirs. (And as it stands, it's an uphill battle to prove it.)

    And until then, the researchers are NOT in violation until the (proven) rightful owners claim that they are. Presumed innocence. :)

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    1. Re:But they practically cannot prove it. by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      Not true. Copyright infringement is also a criminal matter. If the state can prove that you did NOT create the work then it doesn't matter who did, you are guilty of infringement.

    2. Re:But they practically cannot prove it. by ericvids · · Score: 1

      Then you are forgetting that you must PROVE that it is a criminal matter.

      In this case it is not. There is no commercial gain whatsoever (provable -- the licensing she used is pretty clear on that) and the copyright "owners" do not have a reasonable expectation of commercial distribution of their work. Ergo under US law this is clearly a civil case.

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  31. I do not take kindly... by drkim · · Score: 1

    ...as do I about the publication, without permission, of my quatrain dirge about my disappointment after lengthy preparations were made for evacuation and then, horribly and tragically, I was only able to produce flatus.

    Happily though, Michael Bay has a two picture option on it.

  32. scientifically appropriate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "However, a close examination of context shows that the sexual usage of these terms amounts to a mere 19% for fuck, 22% for suck, and 20% for ass(hole)." This is the most exciting scientific statement I've ever read.