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Nexus One First Phone Linus Torvalds "Doesn't Hate"

SpuriousLogic writes "Linus Torvalds, the inventor of the Linux kernel, has an absolute disdain for mobile phones. All of the ones he has purchased in the past, the man writes on his personal blog, ended up being 'mostly used for playing Galaga and Solitaire on long flights' even though they were naturally all phones run on open source operating systems. Things have changed now, he adds, now that he has caved and bought Google's Nexus One a couple of days ago."

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  1. He bought one? by suso · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why? I mean the man is responsible for the free kernel that the phones use. The least companies could do is send him a free one with service contract. I thought Linus did get gifts like that.

    1. Re:He bought one? by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hell. Now even Linus is slave to the Google panopticon.

      Hope you like your new, NSA hotline, Mr. Torvalds!

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    2. Re:He bought one? by BlackCreek · · Score: 4, Informative

      Linus appears to have less hysterical take on the Android Linux fork than most people:

      I don't worry about out-of-tree development for odd devices too much. I wish we could merge android, but I also accept it likely being a few years away. We had similar out-of-tree issues with the SGI extreme scalability stuff, and it took quite a while before the standard kernel merged all of that.

    3. Re:He bought one? by GooberToo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, it's not technically Linux these phones use, as it's now an incompatible Linux fork. So, I guess like the authors of this article, the company told Linus to go fork himself.

      Well, what you're saying is not technically true either.

      These phones absolutely do run the Linux kernel and anyone who says otherwise is misleading at best and trolling at worst. Period. Just because a single device driver was recently removed from the official source tree does not suddenly make the kernel any less Linux. To suggest that's the case is ignorance or stupidity.

      The reality is, Android uses their own driver for power management. Their design stinks. They've refused to maintain it in the official source tree. The stinking, unmaintained driver was removed. Despite no longer being maintained in the official source tree, Google continues to maintain it in their own kernel tree - which is freely accessible to all. This was all previously covered here on /. Having said all that, it is extremely common for external drivers to be maintained outside of the official source tree for a variety of reasons. This is one of the primary reasons the dkms project exists.

      Furthermore, since the source portion of Android's framework which accesses the power management driver is freely available, if someone wanted to, they could easily change the internal implementation to use Linux's official power management interface rather than Google's driver. Battery life is likely to only slightly suffer. And with small improvements to Linux's existing power management infrastructure, to bring it more in line with Google's implementation goals, battery life parity can be achieved while maintaining full Android compatibility.

      At the end of the day, removal of the driver from the official source tree changes nothing for anyone.

    4. Re:He bought one? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dammned (sic) with faint praise...

      Actually, the "doesn't hate" line doesn't appear anywhere in Linus' words. His actual statement about the Nexus One is not "faint" at all.

      From Linus' own blog (TFA):

      "But I have to admit, the Nexus One is a winner. I wasn't enthusiastic about buying a phone on the internet sight unseen, but the day it was reported that it finally had the pinch-to-zoom thing enabled, I decided to take the plunge. I've wanted to have a GPS unit for my car anyway, and I thought that google navigation might finally make a phone useful. And it does. What a difference! I no longer feel like I'm dragging a phone with me "just in case" I would need to get in touch with somebody - now I'm having a useful (and admittedly pretty good-looking) gadget instead."

      That doesn't sound anything like "damning with faint praise" now, does it?

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    5. Re:He bought one? by npsimons · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That doesn't sound anything like "damning with faint praise" now, does it?

      Even "damning with faint praise" is pretty high approbation, coming from a geek like Linus. Most software geeks are this way; cf. mutt's "All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less." motto, or "X is the second worst windowing system in the world - all the rest are tied for first." re: XWindows. That's not to say that geeks/engineers are more pessimistic than most people - just more honest.

  2. He hates mobile phones?! by SaidinUnleashed · · Score: 5, Funny

    How can a Finnish man hate mobile phones?! Aren't they like the national bird there, or something?

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    1. Re:He hates mobile phones?! by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yea you would think the would have an N900 wouldn't you?
      He has sold out his own birth Nation! How dare he!
      Naw it is just a phone and the Nexus one is a pretty nice one at that.

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    2. Re:He hates mobile phones?! by Jazzbunny · · Score: 5, Interesting
      He has same pragmatic approach to the issue as you do. At his blog here he said:

      everybody: my dad got himself a N900, so there's one in the family. Don't worry about it, there's room for more than one Linux phone.
      I like the Nexus One, maybe I'd like the N900 too. But I certainly don't like cellphones enough to have two.

    3. Re:He hates mobile phones?! by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dude, as a phone the N900 lacks a LOT. I was able to sell mine on Ebay to buy a unlocked Nexus One.

      I tried to love the N900, as I loved my N710. but it's clunky.

      This is coming from a guy that has been die-hard Nokia forever. I tried like heck to love my Nokia 5800 xpressmusic phone. it had a great idea, but was only half there. They almost made it, but not close enough for me to suffer using it day in and day out.

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    4. Re:He hates mobile phones?! by Znork · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Personally, I find the N900 is pretty much the first phone I don't hate. Not that it's so much a phone as a very slick ultraportable that you can make calls with.

      I can mount my filesystems at home and play my mp3's over the radio transmitter. I can use it as a GPS. I can use it for pretty much anything I could use a netbook for.

      As far as phone functionality goes, I'm considering not bothering and simply keeping the cheap fixed rate unlimited wireless data SIM I've got in it now and simply using skype, or perhaps even going to SIP with a PBX of my own. Meh. We'll see. (hmmm, maybe the n900 can run asterisk and _be_ a pbx...)

      If I was looking for a 'phone', on the other hand, I think I'd be looking at one of the $30 ones, and certainly not at any of the current generation smart phones.

  3. Why by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am supposed to care about his opinion of smart phones why? I mean I will be happy to listen to anything he has to say about the Linux Kernel. I would pay to hear him talk about the early days of Linux development, but his thoughts on smart phones? What could possibly make me care?

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    1. Re:Why by Xanator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      you dont have to care, he just gave his opinion like you are giving it right now.

    2. Re:Why by Draek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're not "supposed" to care, it's just that a lot of us do as result of him being a celebrity among geeks. Besides, his viewpoint is more likely to be closer to ours, as a fellow geek, than that of Steve Jobs or any such marketeer that gets published by pop media.

      This article certainly raised *my* interest in the Nexus One. Not enough to buy it blindly, but at least give it some consideration along with the N900 I was eyeing before.

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    3. Re:Why by 0racle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the same reason we're supposed to care what celebrities think about foreign policy and medical procedures.

      It's just more evidence of societies celebrity worship.

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    4. Re:Why by JoshuaZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are correct that in general, there's no good reason to listen to the opinion of a celebrity. However, one might argue that Torvalds is someone who has relevant expertise. Given his background in programming and extensive experience with all sorts of computer systems, it isn't unreasonable for someone to see him as an expert in this case whose opinion is worth listening to. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a celebrity but his opinion on many science issues is still pretty relevant.

    5. Re:Why by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're not "supposed" to care, it's just that a lot of us do as result of him being a celebrity among geeks. Besides, his viewpoint is more likely to be closer to ours, as a fellow geek, than that of Steve Jobs or any such marketeer that gets published by pop media.

      He's exactly the sort of person I would want to hear give an opinion about this stuff. I may not agree with his opinion, time may prove him wrong, but it certainly provides an interesting starting point for a debate. Look at Clifford Stoll and his whole Silicon Snake Oil thing. He raised interesting questions about the internet and viability of e-commerce. I disagreed with his thesis and he has subsequently been proven wrong.

      I'll listen to what a Jobs has to say. While I may not agree with all of his ideas, he has certainly had some winners over the years. He's someone who understands the industry. People I'd be less interested in listening to are Balmer and Gates. I don't think they really have a good grasp on the industry at this point and feel that we're living in the time future historians will point to as their decline years. I could be wrong, it's certainly good debate fodder, and time will prove it one way or another.

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  4. Original blog post by surmak · · Score: 5, Informative
  5. ... was glad to hear it ... by ninjagin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't share much in common with Linus except maybe the phone, but I got my N1 exactly because of how evolved android had become, how beefy the hardware specs were (I was building PCs with roughly the same specs 8 years ago), and because I preferred a phone not marketed to me with a direct tie-in with a carrier. Overtly unlocked? Yes, please. Granted, it's not for everyone, but it is my first smartphone and I'm glad I waited.

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  6. Re:So he uses the phone for GPS While Driving? by BitZtream · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Citation Needed

    Considering I don't know of anyone who would ever call x86 anything 'big iron', I find it hard to believe a guy who started writing a kernel for himself at home on a 386 PC would say something like that.

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  7. I know I'm old fashioned, but... by Carik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... most of my phones haven't had an OS that you could play Galaga or Solitaire on. Or really do much more than make a phone call.

    Is it possible that the reason he hates phones is that he keeps buying computers masquerading as phones, rather than phones?

    Also... he comments that he's always hated phones because they interrupt while he's trying to work or read. I don't know about anyone else, but if I don't want to be interrupted, I turn off the phone. The ringer, if it's a land-line, or the whole thing, if it's a cell. People can leave me a message and I'll listen to it later.

    Basically, I can understand not liking the sound quality, or the microphone quality, or the weight, or the fact that it doesn't work anywhere you want to use it (all problems I've had in the past), but really... the things he's complaining about are issues with how he's using it, not with the phones. Maybe, like me, he's someone who just shouldn't have a cell phone, or should buy a small cheap one for emergency use, and not pay a monthly fee for it.

  8. Mislabelled by grub · · Score: 4, Funny


    This phone shall be referred to as the "GNU/Nexus One with GNU/Linux".
    Now excuse me, I have to comb my beard.

    Richard

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    1. Re:Mislabelled by jareth-0205 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I call fake!

      RMS has never combed his beard.

  9. Re:but... by nacturation · · Score: 5, Insightful

    SUpposed you got a mail from bill gates asking for a phone from your company because your phone factory has made a phone running windows mobile on it. What would you do?

    The point is that famous people generally don't ask... they get sent stuff unsolicited a fair bit. At the Oscars, when you hear of someone's $100,000 necklace from Saks Fifth Avenue, do you really think the celebrity went out and spent their own money on that necklace? Hell no... that's Saks renting it (perhaps gifting it for smaller items) and getting free promotion. Saks is hoping all the non-famous rich people who watch the Oscars go out and buy the necklace.

    In Linus' case, however, perhaps he's critical enough about phones that it's actually a risk to send him one. If he writes a bad review, the company who manufactures it and sent it to him has just shot itself in the foot.

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  10. So that's who that is! by noidentity · · Score: 4, Funny

    Linus Torvalds, the inventor of the Linux kernel, has an absolute disdain for mobile phones.

    Finally, an article summary that explainings who some obscure person is, rather than assuming we know everyone in the tech universe.

  11. A balance between geekness and ease of use by buruonbrails · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I expected Linus Torvalds to use something more geeky, e.g. N900 or one of OpenMoko devices, but in this case he has chosen user-friendliness instead of endless tinkering. Nexus One is probably one of the most user-friendly Linux-based devices to date (competing with WebOS devices in this respect), and it is very functional as well, so the choice seems obvious.

  12. Re:stupid Linus by BitZtream · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except as soon as anyone finds out that he accepted money for expressing his opinion, people will value his opinion a whole hell of a lot less.

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  13. There is a lesson to learn there by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...he has chosen user-friendliness instead of endless tinkering

    The lesson is: Even people famous for endless tinkering still like a simple, clean user experience once in a while.

    Design your software with this in mind.

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    1. Re:There is a lesson to learn there by Angst+Badger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even people famous for endless tinkering still like a simple, clean user experience once in a while.

      Once in a while? I find that I want to tinker with the subjects in which I am most interested, and prefer drool-proof interfaces the rest of the time. FOSS at its (unusual) best makes tinkering possible but not necessary. Programs should work well off the shelf but be readily amenable to user modification if the user cares to.

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    2. Re:There is a lesson to learn there by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even people famous for endless tinkering still like a simple, clean user experience once in a while...

      ... especially if it's something like a phone.

      Honestly, I'm not a super-geeky tech genius, but I like to screw around with computers and that has lead to a career in IT. However, I learned a long time ago that I like to keep a separation between "the gadgets that I tinker with" and "the gadgets I depend on." The two can't really be the same, because if I'm screwing around with something long enough, I *will* break it. I'll probably also fix it, but it might take hours or days.

      I wan't my phone to work all the time, and therefore I don't want a phone that I need to tinker with.

  14. Re:So he uses the phone for GPS While Driving? by ezzzD55J · · Score: 3, Informative

    big iron != bare metal, which is what GP presumably meant.

  15. Re:So he uses the phone for GPS While Driving? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most "in dash" GPs's are inferior than a $99.00 pocket cheapie.

    Why? well the Updates for in dash units are typically so outlandish that nobody buys them A buddy of mine has a BMW 525i that it will cost him $399.00 for the map data update discs, he bought a pocket garmin unit he stuck to the windshield.. I buy a new $99.00 garmin yearly and that not only gives me a new map data set, but new hardware to boot!
      Plus I get POI data. press one button and it will tell me that the next two exits have gas stations and restaurants..

    Nope, it's dumb to spend a couple grand on an in dash unit and then pay out the butt yearly for updates.

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  16. Re:So he uses the phone for GPS While Driving? by Score+Whore · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nope, it's dumb to spend a couple grand on an in dash unit and then pay out the butt yearly for updates.

    You know, when people are reaching back behind themselves whenever they need money... they're not digging around in their asses. They have this thing called a wallet and you put money in it. Then you put the wallet in your pocket. And thus you see people reaching back whenever they need some cash.

    It's a lot easier than stuffing rolls of coins and wads of cash up your rectum. More hygienic too.

  17. Re:So he uses the phone for GPS While Driving? by dubbreak · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a lot easier than stuffing rolls of coins and wads of cash up your rectum. More hygienic too.

    However there can be benefits to storing coinage up your rectum.

    If you were to say store unrolled rolls of pennies up your rectum then spend them at locations your boss visits then he would surely get some of that change when shopping there. Next time he goes to buy his kid an ice cream or take his wife out for coffee he's using money that has come from your rectum! You just can't buy that kind of superiority.

    You think you're better than me? Oh, you're not better than me. You handle my ass pennies every day. You pick up my ass pennies for good luck. You throw my ass pennies in fountains and make wishes on them.

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  18. Re:Only a couple of days by bnenning · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Android API has always supported multitouch, and the recent update for the Nexus One adds multitouch for the browser and maps and images. Presumably there was a legal situation with Apple that's now been resolved.

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  19. Re:but... by mike260 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Your point is well taken, though. If you want to give away free samples, giving them to notorious critics of mostly everything is probably not a good idea.

    An entertaining case in point.

  20. Same thing happened to me this weekend by Sloppy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My little brother just got a Nokia N900 and brought it over to show off. My impression: this just might be the first phone I've ever seen which doesn't suck. apt-get install whateverthefuckyouwant totally embarrasses everybody's "app store" and on top of that it's a fully working product.

    Is Nexus One getting there too? Cool. I knew shitty phones' days were numbered, but had no idea just what that number was. Looks like we've finally gotten to 0 and I can start taking the phone market seriously.

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  21. Re:So he uses the phone for GPS While Driving? by gander666 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Obligatory Ass Pennies

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  22. Re:So he uses the phone for GPS While Driving? by navyjeff · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a lot easier than stuffing rolls of coins and wads of cash up your rectum. More hygienic too.

    That's more of a long-term strategy.