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Google's Experimental Fiber Network

gmuslera writes "Not enough speed from your ISP? Google seems to go into that market too. 'We're planning to build and test ultra high-speed broadband networks in a small number of trial locations across the United States. We'll deliver Internet speeds more than 100 times faster than what most Americans have access to today with 1 gigabit per second, fiber-to-the-home connections. We plan to offer service at a competitive price to at least 50,000 and potentially up to 500,000 people.' The goal isnt just to give ultra fast speed for some lucky ones, but to test under that conditions things like new generations of apps, and deployment techniques that take advantage of it." If they need a test neighborhood, I'm sure mine would be willing.

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  1. more competition by saturnblackhole · · Score: 5, Interesting

    this is great i hope its a huge success, comcast and time warner needs some competition to lower prices and get rid of stupid data caps. just wish i was available to more people.

    1. Re:more competition by WinterSolstice · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I see this as a response to the filtering and tiering complaints. Google seems to be attempting to say "Fine, take your toys and go home. We'll just give everyone new toys"

      I wish them luck, and hope we're not seeing the founding of the new IBM/Ma Bell empire.

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    2. Re:more competition by Eric52902 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or, for those of us who've run out of tinfoil, maybe it just happens that they haven't hammered out the details. That seems far less likely than the marketspeak angle though, huh?

    3. Re:more competition by drachenstern · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gigabit to the home not on Comcast? Um, sign me up for $120+/mo...

      Or is that just me? I would expect the service to come down with time, and I realize this is a big gamble on their end, but $DEITY I would love to see anyone else in my neighborhood @now

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    4. Re:more competition by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would expect the service to come down with time

      Well, with Comcast, the service DOES go down with time. Unfortunately the more the service goes down, the more the price goes up.

  2. Google by russlar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously, is there any market Google is not going into?

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    1. Re:Google by _PimpDaddy7_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't care.

      If this means more competition to the likes of Comcast and Verizon with internet in the home, so be it.

      I am so sick of the cable companies stranglehold. It's obvious the FCC won't do anything about competition.

      I'd gladly welcome Google.

      Competition is GOOD.

    2. Re:Google by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Funny

      Privacy protection; and ad-blocking.

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    3. Re:Google by mc1138 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hope they'll take this a step further and offer up this sort of connection to corporate customers. I work from a company with a 20 Mbit connection and probably pay a lot more than what this connection is going to be offered for. Granted I'd still be fine paying more than a home user to guarantee uptime etc, but really, hopefully this will be a shot in the arm to other providers to wake up and not nickel and dime people for services that can't meet demand. It seems like Google is doing what they can to keep the US from falling behind the rest of the world.

    4. Re:Google by Z34107 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Problem: All the competition is incompetent. Google is not. Google will move in to this area, destroy everyone else, and then there will be no more "competition" (not that there necessarily was any before). In the end, we might end up with but one ISP....

      Even if that happens, we'll still be (slightly) better off. Rather than have incompetent ISPs with no competition, we'll have a competent ISP with no competition.

      You can sign up for the beta here.

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    5. Re:Google by not+already+in+use · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google seems willing and ready to tap any market that is dominated by dick-wads that have gotten too comfortable charging too much for too little. More power to them. They're going to make a lot of money off of innovating and giving people their money's worth.

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  3. Old news by Tmack · · Score: 4, Funny
    They launched this a few years back iirc: http://www.google.com/tisp/

    tm

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    1. Re:Old news by Tmack · · Score: 4, Informative

      TiSP is WIRELESS - this article talks about fiber to the home

      "Google TiSP (BETA) is a fully functional, end-to-end system that provides in-home wireless access by connecting your commode-based TiSP wireless router to one of thousands of TiSP Access Nodes via fiber-optic cable strung through your local municipal sewage lines."

      RTFA!

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    2. Re:Old news by Firemouth · · Score: 4, Funny

      I had this. I don't recommend it as it was pretty shitty.

    3. Re:Old news by rsborg · · Score: 5, Funny

      TiSP is WIRELESS - this article talks about fiber to the home

      Be careful, fiber will increase the "data" flow.

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  4. Way to go by LeotheQuick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ISPs are yet another market where companies have been allowed to sit high on the hog because of the cost the advantage they have in their existing infrastructure. Any sort of competition that can give these companies a good kick in the arse is a good thing in my book. Now Google just needs to get into the banking business :-)

  5. Here is what is going to happen. by eparker05 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The big names in networking (AT&T, Charter, etc.) are going to sue Google on antitrust grounds because it is easier to hire lawyers than to upgrade failing and obsolete networks.

    1. Re:Here is what is going to happen. by Random+BedHead+Ed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The big names in networking (AT&T, Charter, etc.) are going to sue Google on antitrust grounds because it is easier to hire lawyers than to upgrade failing and obsolete networks.

      Perhaps they will. But consider: this is not a profit engine for Google, in much the same way that Android isn't a profit engine. Google says this service is to test new high-bandwidth technologies, and I don't doubt that's true, but it's probably also true that they're just trying to upset this market because the established cable companies are a threat to their other businesses, both because of their slowness to raise the bandwidth bar and because of their marriages to legacy content distribution.

      Because of this, Google probably doesn't care whether they own this service or not. I bet if the big networking dinosaurs sued Google, Google could settle with them by agreeing to spin off the fiber Internet company, yet still accomplish all of the original project goals. It would be like if Google had to cut Android free - it would still satisfy Google's main goal of creating an open platform that's more friendly to their mobile web services than Apple's or Microsoft's is likely to be.

  6. Community Organization? by Itninja · · Score: 4, Funny

    I just tried to 'recommend my community' and apparently one needs to be part of some community organization to make the recommendation. I wonder if 'my house' can be considered a community organization?

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  7. Yes. by ChinggisK · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ostrich farming.

    1. Re:Yes. by abigor · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a "head in the sandbox" virtual machine.

    2. Re:Yes. by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ostrich farming.

      Never underestimate the bandwidth of an ostrich carrying a pack of SSDs.

    3. Re:Yes. by timeOday · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seriously? There are sheep working at google and I still can't get hired there?

  8. Re:Oh no... by lorenlal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well, they could. So what? Instead of Comcast, Cox, Charter, AT&T, Verizon, etc, Google can get their stats direct. Yes, there's a much bigger pipe, but you and I are still generating the traceable data as fast as we can.

    Of course, I see another possibility for this. You know how many of these ISPs are trying to make providers pay for "preferred" access? Maybe Google is seeing this as a way to ensure net neutrality in the market, or possibly turn the tables. We shall see if it makes it far into the market, and if it ends up making a real difference.

    I, for one, would welcome such a bandwidth overlord.

  9. I'm shocked by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Funny

    23 comments about a 1 gigabit home connection, and not one of them has even mentioned the word "porn"?!? Man, you guys are slipping...

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  10. Re:What is Google's interest? Data Tracking? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

    Google is already into fiber having bought out a lot of dark fiber years ago. At the time, Google said it was help reduce costs by using their own pipes rather pay a network like AT&T to connect their own data centers. Now the real question is why are they going into providing consumers fiber access.

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  11. pulling a gmail by speed+of+lightx2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When gmail first appeared, the two big free email services were yahoo and hotmail. Hotmail have you 2MB to play with, and Yahoo was a bit more generous with 5 (if I remember correctly). That seemed to be the status-quo until google offered with gmail 200 times more free storage (plus features).

  12. Re:What is Google's interest? Data Tracking? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They don't. They want to embarrass the real ISP's into building decent networks so the network-neutrality issue goes away and they don't wind up having to pay the ISP's for traffic they're sending to its customers.

    Google is always playing the chess board three moves ahead.

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  13. Re:What is Google's interest? Data Tracking? by chill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Because it is damn expensive, that is "why not".

    The "why" needs to give them a good reason. My guess is this:

    1. Google's main revenue generator -- ads -- are very effective. I know a lot of people who hate Internet ads but don't mind Google's because they aren't in-your-face offensive. Considering their revenue, there are a LOT of people like that.

    2. The better your experience on the Internet, the more money Google makes.

    3. Google, therefore, rolls out products designed to improve your experience on the Internet.

    4. Profit! (Goto 2)

    This is the same logic I use to believe that Chrome isn't a threat to Mozilla Firefox. All Google cares about is better, faster, stronger Internet experience. They have the tools, they can rebuild it. Chrome isn't a competitor to Firefox.

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  14. Re:What is Google's interest? Data Tracking? by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why would Google want to get into Fiber?

    Among many other reasons, its a net neutrality insurance policy. Google favors net neutrality, but if net neutrality foes succeed (and that's an ongoing threat, because they don't tend to back off even as the FCC reiterates its support for net neutrality principles) it needs its own links directly to consumers as a hedge against other big network providers (particularly those that are also trying to compete with other Google services, whether video offerings that compete with YouTube, phone offerings that compete in some ways with Voice, or something else) -- impairing access to Google's services. If Google can position themselves as a competitive fiber-to-consumer provider, it puts them in a position where such actions by competing service providers that are also fiber providers are riskier because of the potential for retaliation.

    Google has a strategic investment in not making the internet into a set of disjoint walled gardens, but ultimately the best way of insuring that is to guarantee that if its competitors try to convert it into such a system, those competitors will lose.