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Sony Announces First 3D Blu-ray Disc Players

angry tapir writes "Sony has announced a new 3D Blu-ray Disc player and upgrades to existing players so that they will be able to show high-definition 3D movies too. The company introduced the BDP-S470 Blu-ray Disc model and upgraded existing home theater systems, which will be able to play Blu-ray movies when related firmware for the devices is released later this year. Movies based on the Blu-ray 3D specification, which was finalized by the Blu-ray Association in December, can be shown on the players."

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  1. HDMI spec by Enderandrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can the TV industry all stand behind the new HDMI or Displayport spec?

    Having the media standard and players are nice, but until I know I have a TV that will support a standard (that will be around for more than 2 seconds) is somewhat important as well.

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    1. Re:HDMI spec by berashith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      exactly , this is why I am still using my trusted analog rabbit ears ...

    2. Re:HDMI spec by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can the TV industry all stand behind the new HDMI or Displayport spec?

      If they claimed to stand behind it, would you trust them?

      I can imagine this being announced by most, implemented by some, and then abandoned by all due to industry spats and lack of consumer interest. Then a lucky few will own the TV equivalent of 1970s laserdisc players.

    3. Re:HDMI spec by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      HDMI is supported by just about everything save for Apple.

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    4. Re:HDMI spec by hazydave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So far, the TV manufacturers are standing behind HDMI... DisplayPort is being pushed as the official computer industry replacement for DVI. There's a virtual certainty that some TVs will eventually grow DisplayPorts, but hey, most modern TVs have VGA connectors too. It's not as if anyone making a television is all THAT worried about cutting down on the ports count.

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    5. Re:HDMI spec by Hatta · · Score: 2, Informative

      To receive what? Analog TV is dead in the US. If you're still watching OTA broadcasts, spend an hour on a weekend to make one of these. It works much better for DTV than rabbit ears. I found the reflector to be unnecessary.

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    6. Re:HDMI spec by socsoc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      All of my cable company devices have always had very good copy-protection in IEEE1394, to the point where they were disabled and plugging a cable into it was as useful as plugging it up with mud. I thought the FCC required it, but maybe there was some grey area where you only needed to physically supply it, but not have it usable.

  2. What about the PS3? by Xamusk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought the PS3 would be the first one to have BR 3D support, since it was announced when the spec became ready.

    1. Re:What about the PS3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/ps3-getting-3d-firmware-update-this-summer/
      Or, maybe this summer

    2. Re:What about the PS3? by Gandhi+of+War · · Score: 5, Informative

      It says in the first linked article that the PS3 will be supported by the Blu-ray 3D specs.

  3. It is HDMI, forget DisplayPort for TV by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sony and Blu-Ray are behind HDMI, as is every other media company around. Any TV that does not support HDMI will have no market share.

  4. Finally by SnarfQuest · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally, a 3D blue-ray player! I keep losing my 2-dimensional player when the wind blows it under the couch. It's impossible to see from the side, since it is infinately thin, so I have to move the couch to be able to see it from the top or bottom. They should have made them 3 dimensional in the first place!

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  5. Right, but... by Singularity42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's yet another HDMI version. They were supposed to even have larger connectors that transferred more data, but I see those nowhere. I'm not seeing why a 24 Hz movie can't be doubled to 48 Hz for 3D when it transfers at 60 Hz anyway usually. I think the tremendous amount of bandwidth needed for those black bars around movies means we all have to upgrade.

    1. Re:Right, but... by dangitman · · Score: 4, Informative

      60Hz transfers only of half the screen, so they're 30 Hz effective.

      Not at 60p, it doesn't. 60p, whether at 1080 or 720 resolution tranfers a full frame 60 times per second. It's only interlaced formats that are transfer half the image with each refresh.

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    2. Re:Right, but... by Khyber · · Score: 2, Informative

      Holy shit have you been in a cave? We've had 60Hz progressive scan for ages in LCD and Plasma TVs!

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    3. Re:Right, but... by Scarumanga · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually your a tad wrong there, the Xbox360 can output full 1080p over its HD Component output's, you just need decent HDTV that supports 1080p over component (like sharp aquos). This is how i have my 360 setup as its a first gen.

  6. Launch PS3? by Singularity42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Including the launch PS3 (I think they were 20/60 GB)? Only so much you can do with a system update.

    1. Re:Launch PS3? by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Shouldn't be an issue I think. The CPU and GPU specs have the same level of processing power. Only items removed after launch were the PS2 hardware emulation and a few I/O ports on newer units.

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    2. Re:Launch PS3? by Edgewize · · Score: 3, Informative

      You would be amazed what firmware can do. Sony recently announced a revision to the physical disc format that places the pits closer together to increase storage by a significant percentage... and all existing Blu-Ray drives will be made compatible via firmware.

      There is a reason that these drives cost so much to manufacture. The physical hardware is incredibly generic, and nobody really knows the limits of its capabilities.

  7. About time! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

    I gotta say I can't wait for 3D BluRay discs to come out. I keep accidentally losing the 2D ones between the atoms of my couch!

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  8. Re:Stereoscopic != 3D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Claiming that a stereoscopic picture is the equivalent of a 3 dimensional projection is the equivalent of presenting a stereo entertainment center and claiming that it is surround sound.

    Stereoscopic, def.: "The viewing of objects as three-dimensional."

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  9. Re:3D by Niris · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Awesome, thanks. I was wondering if they'd come out with some way to release movies like Avatar in 3D soon since most people are saying that's the only way to see it. Good to know.

    on a side note, hooray for being labeled off topic for trying to clarify what the new technology is :P

  10. Re:Stereoscopic != 3D by ChefInnocent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Exactly. I was bothered by the "Flat Screens" being sold in a confusing manner to "Flat Panel". I dislike "High Definition DVD Player" which "upscales" DVDs to "HD resolutions" as a method to confuse consumers expecting HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. I loath 480p/i, 720p/i, and other resolution display devices being sold as HDTV in markets where the consumer is expecting 1080p/1080i.

    I have issues with marketers selling crap using names that approximate something else in an effort to confuse the consumer into making a purchase they would not otherwise make. In this case though, masses will not rush out to buy a 3D tv/player with the expectation of anything other than stereo-scopic projection. I leave some room for a few true idiots out there who may believe they are getting 3D TV as I believe society was built upon the stupidity clause. However, since we don't have anything coming to market with "true 3 dimensional projection", 3D Blu-ray is fine.

  11. 3D!!! by Temujin_12 · · Score: 2, Funny

    A 3-dimensional player would have been nice. All I have is a 2-dimensional Blu-ray player.

    Figuring out the physics behind how to convert a 3-dimensional Blu-ray disc into 2-dimensional space and back so it could work with my 2-dimensional player was a bit tough, but once you get the hang of it it's not so bad.

    Oh wait.... you're talking about stereoscopic video, not the actual spacial dimensionality of the physical player.

    Sorry.

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  12. This is ridiculous. by AbRASiON · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Which 3D spec is it?
    The tech is incredibly immature right now, there's about 3 different methods of doing 3D - some require glasses, some apparently don't. How is it encoded on the disc, can the disc still contain the regular 2D blu ray movie. Is it the same spec as the other companies? What about the TV guys, is it the same spec there?

    They (not just Sony) are really praying for this 3D thing to take off and cause a whole new run of consumer idiot sales, we aren't falling for it this time, the 1080p fiasco was bad enough (it was never an official HD spec, it was added later) you expect us to sell out 1->30 month old HD TV's for a 3D one when the spec is a complete shambles?
    I think a 'lol, no!' should suffice here. I'm definitely waiting this one well, well out.

    1. Re:This is ridiculous. by theJML · · Score: 3, Informative

      The thing with the 3D spec's is that it's all in the TV. BluRay's just provide the 3d imaging (left and right frames) it's the TV then projects it, however the hell it wants to... active/passive glasses, polarized fields, stereoscopy, Dolby3D, Real3D, hell, even red-blue or magic eye if that's how the set works.

      Personally, I think the 3D thing is cool, it's finally bringing this stuff into the main stream that's going to make industry focus on ways to make it not suck. And I figure by the time they work that part out, it'll be about time to upgrade my currently 7 year old 1080i CRT to something a bit flatter and bigger without feeling like I didn't get my money's worth out of the current set (and relegating it to another room).

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  13. Re:3D by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The usual term is "stereo" or "stereo-3D." It's been around since shortly after the invention of photography.

    I love stereo-3D myself, and have a collection of it in various forms including an antique Stereo-Realist camera that can take action stills in stereo. It's also quite easy to take stereo stills with any digital camera, providing there's no movement involved in the subject-- just by taking the picture, moving over about a foot, and taking another framed the same (and hopefully, with the same exposure). Viewing can be done with budget viewers from your LCD video monitor, side to side, or using the crosseye technique, etc.

    That said though, I think in this case it's a cheap excuse to try to sell more BluRay players since the market just hasn't been taking off-- HD doesn't get you enough over SD DVD for many people to bother to spend the money (including me). Unfortunately, 3D will get the short-shrift it always does, and when it doesn't explode into an "everybody's gotta have it right now" craze, the producers will tire of spending money in the production for insufficient results. So we'll have a couple of wowzer stereo films (Avatar and one or two others, probably), but not enough to justify converting your entire video system over unless you've got too much money or you're a total gadget geek.

    A "Ted Turner" could start taking old content and producing artificial plane-separated synthetic stereo from existing media, and that might pull it a long for a few more miles, but even then I seriously doubt it'll be enough to carry it along. And it likely won't be quite as easy or as cheap as "colorization" was, at least to do well.

    I'd love to see stereo become mainstream, but we've been down this road before, and I don't see anything new here, just the dollars involved are bigger (which itself doesn't bode well, because for too many people, it's just non-essential)...

    If stereo computer monitors got cheap enough I might get one of those so my 3D modelling work can be done in full stereo, but I don't get paid for that so I'm not willing to spend a whole lot over what a plain-old 2D monitor costs.

    I'd like to see it, I really would, but I just don't expect it to happen. There's just not enough momentum. It looks to me like a last-ditch attempt for a few desperate folks in tinseltown to give the public a reason to pay more for their stuff. It's just not a good enough reason, frankly. And even if we weren't in a recession, and digital entertainment hadn't lost a whole lot of it's value over the last decade due to the glut of content and its distribution, I just don't see it becoming any more than an expensive parlor-trick...

  14. Re:Do Not Want by tolkienfan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Future generations will have genetically engineered polarized corneas for the purpose.

  15. What about the media? by RoboRay · · Score: 2, Funny

    If 2D BluRay comes on a flat disc, does 3D BluRay come on a sphere?

  16. Remember when 3D used to mean... by Snaller · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remember when 3D used to mean they had two dimensions and a story!

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