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10 Microsoft Acquisitions and What They Mean Now

FrankPoole writes "CRN takes a look at the past five years of Microsoft's acquisition history, which totals $13 billion and more than 7,000 new employees, and highlights 10 deals and how they've affected the software giant. While some larger acquisitions stand out for better or worse, such as Danger and aQuantive, there are some smaller, blink-and-you'll-miss-it deals that have proved pivotal for Microsoft's push into new areas such as virtualization. And Microsoft's recent acquisition track record may lend credence to the heavy criticism levied against the company by former employees like Dick Brass."

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  1. Smart buys by N3tRunner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of the companies on that list were intelligent purchasing decisions by Microsoft, even if all of them didn't pan out in the end. Most of them even have examples included of where their input has specifically improved Microsoft's products. I think that Dick Brass's article in the Times was fairly harsh, but if what he says is true and Microsoft no longer has the capability for innovation, then buying innovators with their still-impressive supply of cash and then successfully integrating their work into their products is a good substitute for coming up with those ideas themselves. It's certainly not ideal, but it can work as long as they still have the funds to do so.

    1. Re:Smart buys by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Innovation at Microsoft ended long, long ago. Microsoft has failed to produce a single innovation that it has not outright purchased for a at least a decade. And no, ClearType is not an innovation: others were doing subpixel font smoothing well before ClearType came along. The sad thing is that without the ability to innovate internally, they will lack the mobility to survive the coming storm of change in their industry. Vista failed to deliver innovation in operating systems, Windows 7 is just Microsoft playing catchup with Apple, Azure will fail to secure a Windows monopoly in the cloud. Microsoft makes hundred-billion-dollar profits because of their monopoly position. Once it starts slipping -- and it already has -- they must either learn to become an equal player in the industry or they will die.

    2. Re:Smart buys by alen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and how is this different from Apple and Google which are current tech rag favorites? both are on a buying spree. Almost every new Google service in the last few years has been based on a company they bought. just like Apple's multi-touch was as a result of a tiny startup they bought a few years ago

    3. Re:Smart buys by Itninja · · Score: 1

      While I agree in principle, these "Microsoft's days are numbered!" decrees seem a bit tired. I have been hearing/reading them since I started my IT career in the early 1990's, and I am still waiting for the Great Satan that is M$ to fall.

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    4. Re:Smart buys by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Their days are numbered ... you just choose to pick a really big number.

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    5. Re:Smart buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that Dick Brass's article in the Times was fairly harsh, but if what he says is true and Microsoft no longer has the capability for innovation, then buying innovators with their still-impressive supply of cash and then successfully integrating their work into their products is a good substitute for coming up with those ideas themselves. It's certainly not ideal, but it can work as long as they still have the funds to do so.

      I think you missed a key point of Dick Brass's article. Even with innovative technologies at Microsoft (whether homegrown or acquired), there are too many internal power struggles going on for those innovations to ever really shine through or live up to their full potential. It's really a symptom of the corporate culture that's been allowed to fester for far too long there.

    6. Re:Smart buys by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Apple did more than slap their name on it and sell it. Apple uses it's acquisitions as pieces to complete a puzzle.

      "MultiTouch" was the missing piece to get the iPhone out the door.

      They bought P.A. Semi in 2008, I bet the Apple ARM chip is more than something made in 2008 and stamped with a logo. But it's what was needed to get the iPad out.

      iTunes has moved far beyond what it was originally.

    7. Re:Smart buys by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      How can you say that!? Have you seen the iPad?!

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    8. Re:Smart buys by Angst+Badger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Vista failed to deliver innovation in operating systems, Windows 7 is just Microsoft playing catchup with Apple [...]

      People say this a lot, but is there really that much innovation to be done in the operating system space, at least for end users? (The server space is, of course, quite different.) Personally, I'd be a lot happier if Microsoft stopped "innovating" with Windows, unless the innovation in question is to get the hell out of my face and operate smoothly so I can focus on my applications, which are why I have a computer in the first place. It's 2010, for crying out loud. The personal computer OS is a mature product category, and would be better served -- especially in Microsoft's case -- by fixing its plethora of bugs and security holes and misfeatures and just supporting new hardware as it comes along. While they're at it, maybe they could focus on optimizing its memory and CPU usage so that there's more left over for -- again -- the applications its supposed to support.

      Being as we are, as a group, actually interested in the inner workings of operating systems, it's sometimes hard to remember that operating systems are mainly visible to users to the extent that they don't work as well as they should. A good operating system is unnoticeable for users and highly tractable for developers. Microsoft is failing miserably (and, for misguided marketing purposes, deliberately) at both.

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    9. Re:Smart buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "But it's what was needed to get the iPad out." Need I remind you that we were discussing innovation?

    10. Re:Smart buys by westlake · · Score: 2, Informative

      Windows 7 is just Microsoft playing catchup with Apple

      OSX 10.6 has 2% of the market. Win 7 8%. [and in daily tracking a tad under 10%] Vista and Win 7 combined have 25% of the market. Top Operating System Share Trend

      Ars Technica posted this interesting chart of Windows usage on Steam:

      19% of Steam users are running 64 bit Windows 7. "There are more users on Windows 7 64-bit than any other flavor of Windows, except for Windows XP 32-bit."

    11. Re:Smart buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      How many days till the heat death of the universe?

    12. Re:Smart buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      catch up in features and fit and finish, silly, not market share.

    13. Re:Smart buys by Bert64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They didn't say playing catchup in marketshare, they mean catchup in features, stability performance and appearance etc..

      People don't buy windows because they've assessed multiple competing options (including osx and linux) and found windows to be technically superior or better value for money, they buy it because they don't realise anything else exists, because they're afraid to learn something new or because theyre forced to by having their data held to ransom by proprietary applications and their formats.

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    14. Re:Smart buys by Taagehornet · · Score: 5, Funny

      Innovation at Microsoft ended long, long ago.

      LINQ

      The list goes on; if you're into language design then Microsoft is definitely the place to be right now. They've managed to gather some absolutely brilliant people.

    15. Re:Smart buys by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow, the death of Microsoft, predicted on Slashdot? Now there is something we have never heard before...

      Take out the ClearType reference, substitute 2000 and XP for Vista and Windows 7, and you have a meme from 2001.

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    16. Re:Smart buys by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Yes, becasue "features and fit" pay the bills and drive further R & D.

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    17. Re:Smart buys by siride · · Score: 1

      I switched to Windows for that reason. I found it to be more stable, easier to use and less of a hassle than the alternatives. I also needed to do development work for Windows (.NET), so it made sense to use Windows. I had been using Linux full time for many years. I know I'm not the only one who's switched away from Linux to Windows or OS X.

    18. Re:Smart buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is going to go like GM. Nothing really innovative until they do something like Saturn. Then the groups that make "the real $$" will do everything to resist it and kill it.

      Or buy a distinctive brand like Saab that builds cars that are not like the american or japanese cars. They'll do everything to make it more like the rest.

      When they need a culture like Saturn once had or a differentness like Saab, it'll be too late.

    19. Re:Smart buys by CharlieG · · Score: 1

      Gee - right around the time Bill stepped down as CEO - wonder if THAT had anything to do with it?

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    20. Re:Smart buys by westlake · · Score: 1

      People don't buy windows because they've assessed multiple competing options (including osx and linux) and found windows to be technically superior or better value for money, they buy it because they don't realise anything else exists...

      Should I take you as saying that Apple has been keeping its light hidden a bushel for the past thirty-three years?

         

    21. Re:Smart buys by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      In the early '90s, we were waiting for the Great Satan that is IBM to fall.

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    22. Re:Smart buys by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      That wouldn't surprise me in the least. Microsoft spends an insane amount on Microsoft Research, and they come up with some genuine innovation, but most of the papers I've read by MS Research have contained things that were brought to market by Microsoft's competitors before MS got around to commercialising them.

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    23. Re:Smart buys by T.E.D. · · Score: 2, Informative

      Microsoft has never "innovated" anything in its history, unless you count software licenseing or vendor agreements.

      They even bought DOS from someone else, for crying out loud.

      The best case you could possibly make for them is WindowsNT. They developed that in-house, but they did it by hiring the team that created VMS away from DEC and setting them loose. It wasn't entirely a home-brewed thing.

      This is just a story about Microsoft doing what they've always done for the last 30 years. If you want to find "innovation" at Microsoft, you have to look at their legal and marketing departments.

    24. Re:Smart buys by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      In the early '90s, we were waiting for the Great Satan that is IBM to fall.

      And they eventually did, just not all the way down.

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    25. Re:Smart buys by linux_geek_germany · · Score: 2

      Microsoft's large marketshare compared to Apple's is rather grounded in the critical necessity of certain Windows-only applications for a lot of users instead of the superiority of the OS.

    26. Re:Smart buys by Ngarrang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People don't buy windows because they've assessed multiple competing options ...

      Depending on the user, the thought of the OS was probably secondary to the intended task: Run a web browser. Think about the typical user. And by typical, I mean grandma, mom, brother, dad, friend down the way that aren't tech geeks like the readers here. They just use a computer to get things done, like driving a car to get to work. They just use it, it is just a tool. This kind of user could care the hell less about the OS wars. They mock people like you and me for even caring about something "so trivial, because they all look the same anyways." (that is a direct quote, and it bugged me) And for many, many people, using a computer means running a web browser to get to FaceBook, MySpace, AOL, Gmail, etc, etc. The OS underneath doesn't matter for many of these people. Oh, sure, some of them want to type up documents, maybe write up a quick spreadsheet to help calculate some costs, but even then, the apps look the same on all platforms.

      The difference comes in the money used to purchase the product. If dad only wants to spend $400 on "something that will let me read e-mail", it is probably going to be a PC with a copies of Windows already included. So, no, there is no comparison shopping be done. There is no point for them.

      Think about the last time you bought a broom. Did you feature compare several models? Hate it or not, but the computer is on the level of a broom to most users. This fact bothers me...a lot. But I have had to come to terms with it.

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    27. Re:Smart buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What in the hell does this have to do with Apple, Google or any of the other 1000's of software companies who are not Microsoft? Or were you just trying to derail any possible criticism of the one true software vendor? You fucking puke shills disgust me.

    28. Re:Smart buys by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure saying that their ability to buy up innovation is a good thing. If Microsoft has no innovation within them then clearly buying up innovative companies is likely to stifle those companies and their future innovation and in the end the market and consumer loses.

      It just makes sense. Which ever side is larger will have more influence (it works that way with everything) and Microsoft buying up a small company means that company will almost certainly be absorbed into the borg-like company that lacks imagination rather than the borg-like company changing its ways thanks to the small company.

    29. Re:Smart buys by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      Install Linux and code any applications yourself that are not commercially available? Brilliant.

      No, personally, I just virtualize the legacy-ware like Windows until a viable alternative for the software I need becomes available. I'm down to one last application. Anybody know of any turn by turn based navigation solutions available for Linux?

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    30. Re:Smart buys by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      No, but the cheapest Mac is something like 999 dollars. That's quite a deterrent to many people despite any advantages OSX may have.

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    31. Re:Smart buys by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple bought Fingerworks for multi-touch technology. This technology went into the iPhone and later the trackpads on their laptops and now the iPad.

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    32. Re:Smart buys by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      It's the law of large number. Apple is slightly different in that they don't buy a lot of companies comparatively. They buy when they have a specific need like Fingerworks for multi-touch, PA Semi for chip design. Google and MS are bigger companies and have bought many more companies. Some of those companies haven't panned out.

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    33. Re:Smart buys by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because Steam is representative of overall desktop operating system use.

      In other news, Canonical claims that Ubuntu use is nearly 100% based on their Web server logs.

    34. Re:Smart buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Completely agree, LINQ and F# - great move.

    35. Re:Smart buys by pydev · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The three companies are quite different.

      Microsoft invests a ton of money in research and acquiring companies, but it never seems to have much impact on their products.

      Apple invests nothing in research and a lot in acquiring companies, and they are excellent at getting their money's worth by putting the technology into products.

      Google invests a decent amount of money in their own research (but they aren't as blue sky as Microsoft Research), they acquire quite a bit, and they usually end up putting a fair amount of both in-house and acquired technology into products.

    36. Re:Smart buys by pydev · · Score: 1

      "MultiTouch" was the missing piece to get the iPhone out the door.

      MultiTouch was a nice gimmick, something that gave them a brand identity, just like other UI quirks before that. It's not an essential feature; you can build an excellent phone without it.

    37. Re:Smart buys by Itninja · · Score: 1

      The quarter million my company just paid to IBM for several racks of AIX servers beg to differ.

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    38. Re:Smart buys by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      Well, that was sort of the point I was making. They're still around and doing fine but they're no longer the mighty computer powerhouse they once were. I think that's where Microsoft will end up eventually, which is good-- not so much because MS is particularly evil (there have been much worse companies in U.S. history) but because it's best that there is no one controlling powerhouse entity at all. The more distributed things get, the better off we all are.

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    39. Re:Smart buys by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      roadnav, not sure how good it is though.

    40. Re:Smart buys by hendrikboom · · Score: 1

      The internal power struggles are just mirrors of the way Microsoft acts externally.

    41. Re:Smart buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parent is obvious Apple fanboy. Steve Job's dick is getting dry, better polish it!

    42. Re:Smart buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please hand in your geek card for capture at the nearest local office.

    43. Re:Smart buys by imhennessy · · Score: 1
      I feature compared my last broom purchase a lot more than I did my last computer purchase. Then again, I had a lot more freedom in choosing a price point with a broom. The last computer I bought was before netbooks, and I needed cheap. Buying the most expensive broom hurts a lot less than the second cheapest laptop did back then.

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    44. Re:Smart buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple has a very good marketing campaign and exposure in most big electronic retailers. I think you under-rate consumers' ability to choose their technology. The Apple brand is the trendy computer to buy right now, but people are still buying Windows based PCs. Why? Price is part of it, but so too is software.

      If you look beyond the OS, the majority of software available is Windows based; especially video games.

      Apple has the benefit of a tightly controlling software and hardware environment for their OS, so stability and performance are a given. When you have the freedom of choice and a vast array of options, that is somewhat at the cost of stability.

    45. Re:Smart buys by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      For linux on a desktop/laptop not that i know of, someone did mention roadnav but i haven't looked at it...

      But a lot of dedicated gps devices (eg tomtom) actually run on linux, since those boxes run arm processors i wonder if it would be feasible to make their software run on an arm netbook...

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    46. Re:Smart buys by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Apple might be very well known in the US, but in other countries they are less so...
      They are also considered, rightly or wrongly, to be expensive and many people don't realise apple even make computers...

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    47. Re:Smart buys by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      For people like your described "dad", Linux would sell very well if appropriately marketed... It will let them do what people want, and be available very cheaply including a large set of apps, on the cheapest of hardware.
      The key however, is marketing and training the sales droids...

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    48. Re:Smart buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Linux is fairly close to the ideal invisible OS. I don't think about Linux when I use applications, and I don't recall dealing with Linux problems. The closest I get to the OS is the window manager, but I wouldn't call that an OS either.

  2. It can only be good... by nhytefall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If a company cannot innovate internally, then they have to acquire from outside.

    Grow or die... but, it has allowed MS to improve their product offerings over time. Should be interesting to see what the future holds.

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    1. Re:It can only be good... by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Funny

      There can be only one!

      Fixed that for you.

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    2. Re:It can only be good... by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      There can be only one!

      Resistance is futile.

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    3. Re:It can only be good... by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      Sarah Palin Will Not Have Sex With You.

      Man, is that ever a relief...

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  3. "Become"? by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Microsoft has become a clumsy, uncompetitive innovator.

    Microsoft has always been a clumsy, uncompetitive innovator (though I suppose dumpster-diving does require a certain amount of agility).

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  4. Something's amiss... by Petersko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "CRN takes a look at the past five years of Microsoft's acquisition history, which totals $13 billion and more than 7,000 new employees, and highlights 10 deals and how they've affected the software giant. While some larger acquisitions stand out for better or worse, such as Danger and aQuantive, there are some smaller, blink-and-you'll-miss-it deals that have proved pivotal for Microsoft's push into new areas such as virtualization."

    Sounds like it might be an interesting article. Also looks odd - a slashdot article submission about Microsoft that's, at worse, neutral. Where's the pro-forma jab?

    "And Microsoft's recent acquisition track record may lend credence to the heavy criticism levied against the company by former employees like Dick Brass."

    Ah... there it is.

    1. Re:Something's amiss... by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      > Where's the pro-forma jab?

      I took care of that. See my comment above.

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  5. What a weird list. by barfy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Bungie, Visio, Great Plains Software?

    These three companies have made more money and been more influential than these companies!

    1. Re:What a weird list. by N3tRunner · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bungie and Visio joined Microsoft in 2000, and Great Plains Software was purchased in 2001, all of which are before the scope of this list.

  6. kdawson by gcnaddict · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Well, It's a slight improvement over anything kdawson puts up.

    I've been able to get pro-Microsoft articles posted by kdawson by slandering Microsoft in my summaries just because I know he's less likely to read the article itself if I slam Microsoft in my write-up.

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    1. Re:kdawson by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've been able to get pro-Microsoft articles posted by kdawson...

      The idea that articles would be pro or con seems insane to me. What ever happened to journalism? It seems like everyone has decided it is more profitable to have rabid, emotionally driven dichotomies to sell "news" rather than just strong, objective, fact-based journalism.

    2. Re:kdawson by earlymon · · Score: 1

      The idea that articles would be pro or con seems insane to me.

      While there's a lot to be said for objective journalism, there's as much to be said for op-ed pages. Personally, I rather enjoy the mix of both to consider and read comments for on any given day on /.

      That said - there's a cycle of posting on /. and if one reads day-in, day-out for years, and remembers, then one finds that the cycle is a common outcry of "/. is anti-Microsoft" alternating with the common outcry of "/. is anti-Apple" - when neither is strictly true, it's just a cycle that's observable. (As I recall the /. salad days, it was all anti-Microsoft and anti-Apple and pro-Linux - the humorous comments were more wry and sardonic - but maybe that's just me.)

      I mention this not to accuse you but to support you: those fervent believers in one pro- or con- side for any given topic are legion. Our dumbed-down "news" sources know that there are now simply more of the unwashed that simply must participate in ingroup/outgroup thinking, as opposed to agreeing to discourse and when necessary to agree to disagree, and so when raw readership numbers are all that matter matter - they serve the unwashed.

      Perhaps it's always been thus in journalism throughout time, and it's up to us to find quality news publications within the noise.

      It's a part of the internet phenom we all overlooked until AOL newbies started flooding usenet with complaints that we were on their internet - the net has come through with interactive exchange and is truly egalitarian.

      But the unspoken belief that egalitarianism - in short: opportunity - would translate to the opportunity for all comers to step up has proven untrue, when the obvious temptation that's being succumbed to is simply this: in general, people view the information highway not as a mechanism to gain new information that shapes new beliefs and leads to intellectual evolution, but rather as a conduit for quasi-information that supports their existing idiocies.

      Harsh perhaps, but too often true.

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    3. Re:kdawson by crazycheetah · · Score: 1

      The stupid people are taking over, and they don't understand this "strong, objective, fact-based" mumbo-jumbo you speak of. They barely understand what you mean by journalism any more.

    4. Re:kdawson by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

      It seems like everyone has decided it is more profitable to have rabid, emotionally driven dichotomies to sell "news" rather than just strong, objective, fact-based journalism.

      This "objective journalism" you pine for never existed.

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  7. MicroSoft Going To Innovate.... by thestudio_bob · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Hi, MicroSoft here and with all this bad press coming out lately, I would like to ensure you that we have some truly revolutionary products coming out soon... blah blah blah."

    Wake me up when they actually produce something cool that I can touch and feel. I'm getting tired of the standard "MicroSoft is going to innovate, just wait and see" PR tagline.

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    1. Re:MicroSoft Going To Innovate.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      The new ZUNE tablet! a 10.1" LCD screen ZUNE! You've never seen tablet computing like this before!

      now available in moss green, turd brown and Ballmer Blue.

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    2. Re:MicroSoft Going To Innovate.... by miggyb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh goodie! I'm already throwing chairs in excitement!

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    3. Re:MicroSoft Going To Innovate.... by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but I prefer my "bleeding edge" technology products to be named after certain feminine hygiene products.

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    4. Re:MicroSoft Going To Innovate.... by Whalou · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but I prefer my "bleeding edge" technology products to be named after certain feminine hygiene products.

      Well you're in luck! Apple has one called the iPad! [*]





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  8. Danger, Danger! by netsharc · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ah, Danger, the company that all the competent people abandoned, and ended messing up the storage/backup for all of T-Mobile Sidekick users' data?

    How did that go anyway, I heard they managed to find a way to recover most of it?

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    1. Re:Danger, Danger! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Danger is a funny one to me. I simply don't understand what it was that Microsoft thought they were buying. Danger phones don't run Windows, that's probably a big part of the reason why people use them. Was DangerOS suppose to some how influence Windows Mobile? Fat chance of that happening, it doesn't appear that reality can influence that beast, let alone a nimby product. They outsource their hardware, so while they probably do/did have a digital team they were still dependent upon others for manufacturing and logistics. Then I can speak as a former sidekick user (the 1 and the 3) they were pretty crappy phones; it was kind of cool to IM or do some of the email stuff but the web browser was so amazingly slow and you got nickle and dimed for every single app or anything that the glow quickly faded. As a phone they were both pieces of crap.

      Were they simply after some market share with the youth? Or were they after some of that "killer" server side stuff that crashed? I just don't get it. Why not just cross license the razr or something? A lot of those other companies, I can see some sort of logic being applied, perhaps broken logic but some sort of logic none the less. but with Danger? I can't make any sense of it.

  9. what no supplier of chairs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what no supplier of chairs?

  10. DIck Brass? I want his name! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And then I'll start to sign with the surname before the name.

    "[...]

    Sincerely,

    Brass Dick"

  11. Still the best one by far by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Though not acquired in the past 5 years, Visio is still the best "Microsoft" product. It is the only one I wish I had, as the open source alternatives don't have the bells and whistles that make Visio a great product.

    If you have had to use it - you know exactly what I'm talking about. Its got all the interoperability of Microsoft products that you'd expect, with all the ease of use and understanding that each Office iteration lacks.

    1. Re:Still the best one by far by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Though not acquired in the past 5 years, Visio is still the best "Microsoft" product. It is the only one I wish I had, as the open source alternatives don't have the bells and whistles that make Visio a great product.

      Visio is certainly usable and I might even grant you nicer than Dia. It is still not as nice as OmniGraffle which (while not OSS) blows Visio out of the water in many ways.

    2. Re:Still the best one by far by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      is still not as nice as OmniGraffle which (while not OSS) blows Visio out of the water in many ways

      I haven't used Visio since before MS bought it, but that seems like a really unfair comparison. They are very different products for very different uses and there are a lot of things that one can do but the other can't (try creating UML in OmniGraffle, for example; it's even more of an exercise in frustration than things involving UML usually are).

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    3. Re:Still the best one by far by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      They are very different products for very different uses...

      I actually find they overlap pretty well for all the uses I put either product to.

      try creating UML in OmniGraffle, for example; it's even more of an exercise in frustration than things involving UML usually are

      You can use OmniGraffle for simple UML diagrams if you grab a template, but for the most part neither Visio or OmniGraffle is a proper tool for exporting UML for any production purposes. There are a number of good products for that purpose, but it's kind of like using Excel as a database to use Visio or OmniGraffle for UML.

    4. Re:Still the best one by far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol REALLY? You think OmniGraffle is better than Visio? In what way? I found that its certainly not as extensible, easy to use and choked on half of the Visio formatted stencils we threw at it. Heck OmniGraffle even crashed which is pretty rare here in OSX land. We infact had to buy a Win XP license just to throw on a MBP just for Visio usage...

      Quit being a delusional fanboy, OmniGraffle is *TERRIBLE*

  12. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dick Brass.

    Really?

    What? Was the given name "Balls" already taken?

    1. Re:Really? by JonStewartMill · · Score: 1

      Go with a given name of "Balzo" and you don't need to reverse the order.

  13. 3 E's by Slash.Poop · · Score: 0, Troll

    Embrace
    Extend
    Enhance

    1. Re:3 E's by Slash.Poop · · Score: 1

      Modded troll because I implied that Microsoft enhances things. LMAO!
      Welcome to /.

  14. MS cool? When? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having been in the computing world more or less continuously since the early 80s, I can't remember a single instance in which MS was considered to be cool; at least not among the computer scientists I was in touch with. There were a number of cool companies over the years: Thinking Machines, Cray, Silicon Graphics, etc. But MS? For all I recall, it would elicit nothing but derision at first, and despise and fear later on. Now it is true that it became hugely popular among computer science students whose unabashed goal was to become millionaires before turning 30 - not to shine in the computer science field.

    1. Re:MS cool? When? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Actually, in the early 80s, the name Microsoft wouldn't elicit much except "Yeah, I think I may have used their version of DOS once" and not much else.They were just one company in a sea of many putting out versions of DOS. The derision didn't start until later versions of Windows were released. Most people at the time liked the first versions Windows becasue it gave them a GUI instead of doing everything from the command prompt. You would be hard pressed to find someone complaining about good old Windows for Workgroups 3.1 back in the day.

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    2. Re:MS cool? When? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Definitely untrue. In the early '80s, Microsoft was the company with one of the best versions of BASIC. If you'd used any of their products, you'd have used MS BASIC. It came in ROM on a lot of 8-bit machines. They didn't ship a DOS until IBM asked them to (at which point they bought a cheap CP/M clone and rebranded it). All IBM PCs shipped with MS DOS (branded as PC DOS) and so did almost all clones, because they wanted to be compatible.

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    3. Re:MS cool? When? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      D'oh, I forgot all about Basic! Yep, possibly one of the best versions of basic that was out there. I actually used Dr DOS a lot back in the day, until MS DOS was at about version 5.0 or so.

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    4. Re:MS cool? When? by butlerm · · Score: 1

      BASIC is pretty much the reason why Microsoft exists. Altair BASIC, Applesoft Basic, MBASIC, Atari BASIC, Commodore BASIC, BASICA, GWBASIC, AmigaBasic, QuickBASIC, Visual Basic, Visual Basic for Applications, ...

      Virtually every home / personal computer shipped (in the U.S.) during the early 1980s, including the original IBM PC, had Microsoft software in ROM. Those that didn't usually came with a derivative of Microsoft BASIC as part of the operating system. This factor should not be underestimated.

    5. Re:MS cool? When? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know. I was thinking only about operating systems and completely forgot about the real roots of MS. Atari BASIC was the first language I ever programmed on. I remember just entering random PEEKS and POKES to see what they would do.

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  15. Slide Show warning by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

    And I'm not seeing a print button

    1. Re:Slide Show warning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The entire slide show could have fitted on one page A4. If you're looking for a good insightful read, you can skip this one. There's nothing new in there.

    2. Re:Slide Show warning by miggyb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Entire article in one post:

      Fast Search & Transfer (January 2008)

      While much of Microsoft's recent push into search has been on the consumer side with Bing, Microsoft's $1.2 billion acquisition of Norway-based Fast Search & Transfer has helped the software giant make inroads in the enterprise search market. More than 10,000 of Microsoft's enterprise customers have deployed Fast's technology to date, and Microsoft's free Search Server Express product has been downloaded more than 200,000 times, according to Whittinghill.

      Fast's enterprise search technology will also be part of Office 2010, Whittinghill says. Office 2010 is being offered to selected testers as a Release Candidate, and is slated for launch by June.

      Danger (February 2008)

      At this point in time, a week before the Mobile World Congress event in Barcelona, it's hard to look at Microsoft's $500 million pickup of Danger, developer of the software and services stack for the Sidekick, as anything but a disappointment.

      Much of the Danger talent landed in Microsoft's Premium Mobile Experiences (PMX) team, a group within the Mobile Communications Business (MCB) of the Entertainment and Devices Division. PMX not only was responsible for a Sidekick outage last October that caused T-Mobile subscribers to lose data, it's also leading Microsoft's Pink smartphone project, which has been rumored to be on the rocks for several months. Many former Danger staffers have either been laid off or left Microsoft of their own accord.

      According to Whittinghill, the goal of the Danger acquisition was to combine all the different Microsoft experiences, including MSN, Zune and Windows Live Search For Mobile, and "start creating a connected entertainment and communications experience." Microsoft may still be planning to launch Pink, and it may actually fulfill this vision, but right now, the Danger deal looks like a dud.

      Kidaro (March 2008)

      Microsoft's acquisition of Israel-based Kidaro, reportedly for $100 million, added desktop virtualization to its portfolio and gave the company the all important backward compatibility necessary for upgrading to new versions of Windows.

      Kidaro is now called Microsoft Enterprise Desktop Virtualization (MED-V), which is essentially Windows XP Mode with management capability layered on top. Kidaro's technology allows companies to continue using legacy business apps after Windows upgrades, and it's also well suited to mobile environments with large numbers of notebook PCs, where the ability to deploy and move PC images quickly and easily is an advantage.

      Kidaro is part of Microsoft's Desktop Optimization Pack (MDOP), which includes desktop and application virtualization, inventory services, System Center desktop error monitoring and group policy management tools, and is only available as part of a Software Assurance subscription.

      DATAllegro (September 2008)

      Microsoft deepened its data warehousing portfolio with its September 2008 acquisition of DATAllegro, an Aliso Viejo, Calif.-based firm whose technology allows SQL Server to handle massive amounts of data. "They allow you to scale out to hundreds of terabytes," says Whittinghill.

      The DATAllegro deal, which reportedly cost $275 million, was Microsoft's entry to the data warehousing space. According to Whittinghill, Microsoft was interested both in DATAllegro's talent and its core IP. Given the growing role that data warehousing and business intelligence are playing within the enterprises, and the rapid increase in the amount of data enterprises are generating, this acquisition will continue paying dividends for the next several years.`

      Calista Technologies (January 2008)

      Microsoft's acquisition of Calista brought in a collection of GPU virtualization technologies that stream multimedia (Flash, Silverlight, Windows Media and Direct3D) content from a Hyper-V host to thick and thin clients.

      "Calista provided the essential technology for increasing the ease of experience around watching video and

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    3. Re:Slide Show warning by jgtg32a · · Score: 2, Funny

      My plan worked flawlessly

  16. Turf Wars by codepunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So how many of you have been in mid sized growing companies that eventually kill off any sort of innovation they had due to Turf Wars? Every mid
    sized company I have ever worked for tend to start the death spiral just about before they hit the 300-400 million mark. Sure the brand carries
    them for a while but all innovation starts dying due to politics and turf wars. Most will start heavy acquisitions at this point to stay ahead but that
    only turns the acquired into mush. It is a interesting phenomena to watch from the sidelines as the business inevitably implodes.

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    1. Re:Turf Wars by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      Why
      are
      you inserting
      hard
      carriage-returns
      in your
      response?

    2. Re:Turf Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tbh on 30" his insertion of carriage-returns is very nice on the eyes

  17. Flurry of negative Microsoft stories by Renderer+of+Evil · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is it me, or has the press turned really critical of Microsoft in past couple of months? It sort of feels like the barbarians are at the gate, waiting to taste Balmer's bitter flesh. Yesterday it came to a crescendo with Joe Wilcox publishing a devastating piece on how middle manager culture is destroying innovation at the company.

    I can't really peg this on one single thing, but if I were to guess, it's probably because Apple and Google are mapping out the future while Microsoft is still hung up chasing ghosts of yesteryear with me-too products with little or no tangible value.

    Or perhaps it's just confirmation bias on my part because I don't particularly care for the company or majority of their products.

    1. Re:Flurry of negative Microsoft stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes you wonder where they've been for the last 30 years. If anything, Microsoft today is a good company, in comparison to what they used to be. So why now instead of in the days when they were pulling all kinds of shady and illegal moves to kill the competition?

  18. Why the unnecessary pages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be honest I didn't read the article. I don't see why it couldn't have been on one page rather than 10 little slides. This isn't a powerpoint presentation in a meeting.

    1. Re:Why the unnecessary pages? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you pay them 25 cents to read the article? 10 cents even?

      That's why.

  19. Sure, but what about CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet? by RevWaldo · · Score: 2, Funny

    After all, Bill Gates didn't get that rich by writing a bunch of checks!

    1. Re:Sure, but what about CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      They have the Internet on computers now?

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    2. Re:Sure, but what about CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet? by nhytefall · · Score: 1

      I'm stuck with an abacus, you insensitive clod!

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  20. It's not talked about much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    because you usually hear it from the executives and others who are well taken care of...

    But having living through an acquisition by Microsoft of the small company I was working at, I personally found Microsoft's internal culture to be toxic to much of what made our startup successful in the first place. As I saw it, for the typical 'guy in the trenches' your competition soon stops being the other companies competing in your market and becomes your co-workers. The success of your origination is disconnected from the success of its products in the marketplace, while your personal success soon depends almost entirely upon your skills at competing against your peers, as it is predetermined how many winners and losers there will be amongst you.

    1. Re:It's not talked about much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen to that. I was there for a while and got to experience the "management by screaming" culture.

    2. Re:It's not talked about much by gujo-odori · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, what he said.

      I also worked at a smallish company that was acquired by Microsoft (funny it wasn't on the list in TFA, it fits the time span of five years, and some of the companies mentioned in TFA were acquired fist). My description of MSFT's internal culture would be "pathological," but I guess "toxic" works, too.

      How pathological? *Every one* was required to go through a full series of Microsoft interviews in order to keep our jobs. Submit your resume, the whole nine yards. Of course, most of my interviewers quite obviously hadn't even bothered to read my resume, leading to some pretty "interesting" questions and some answers along the lines of "I don't know; I don't do that."

      One of them actually admitted point-blank that he hadn't read my resume and said he was too busy to bother with that. Classy, that. I bet he fits in pretty well at MSFT, though. A couple of others also pretty obviously hadn't but didn't 'fess up. So mostly, my "interviews" consisted of explaining to people who hadn't a clue what I did or what my team did what it was we did, since they seemed to have not read our job descriptions either.

      I met a former Danger employee not long ago. Some interesting stories there, too.

  21. I question his creditability by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 0, Troll

    His group invented ClearType? Don't make me laugh. The technique popular during Apple II days and this guy has the gall to claim credit for it. I say this renders his creditability as questionable.

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    1. Re:I question his creditability by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Informative

      The claim that Apple II technique was proper subpixel antialiasing by design is debunked on Wikipedia.

    2. Re:I question his creditability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol u got owned.

  22. Ready Your Fanboys by sexconker · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Before you morons get all in a tussle, remember that Google BOUGHT most of everything it owns.

    The following were outright bought:

    Google Groups
    Blogger
    iGoogle
    Google Maps
    Google Earth
    AdSense/AdWords
    Baidu
    Google Sketchup
    Google Spreadsheet
    Picasa
    Youtube
    Google Talk
    Panoramio
    Feed Burner

    The following were developed around large chunks of bought code, IP, marketshare, etc.

    Google Analytics
    Android
    Google Latitude
    Google Documents
    Google Sites
    Google Chrome
    Google Wave

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_Google

    1. Re:Ready Your Fanboys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Translation:
      "Wah, stop bashing my favorite big corporation! The other big corporations are no better, blah blah, whinge, whinge".

      CLUE: intelligent people don't have "favorite" big corporations.

    2. Re:Ready Your Fanboys by megamerican · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Translation:

      "Wah, stop bashing my favorite big corporation! The other big corporations are no better, blah blah, whinge, whinge".

      CLUE: intelligent people don't have "favorite" big corporations.

      Where did he profess his love for any corporation? Pointing out that Google gets much of its innovation from others doesn't mean he loves Microsoft or any other large corporation. I guess an intelligent person such as yourself already knew that.

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      If you have something that you dont want anyone to know, maybe you shouldnt be doing it in the first place -Eric Schmidt
  23. Simple adaptation by Weaselmancer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The reason why Microsoft is more of an acquire company than an innovation company is that the waters it swims in are different these days.

    When MS started out, they had little money and the market was nearly empty. Very little competition. So the best move for MS to make was innovation. Come up with something new and market that. And hope to make it big, which they did. It was a gamble.

    Now, MS is HUGE. And the market is full - loads of competition. They don't have to innovate anymore. They can assimilate small fish that do their innovation for them. They don't have to take the risks a small company would have to take anymore. A startup in this environment would have to gamble hugely to get big. There isn't much room. Patents and other competition means there are very small survival spaces in the ecosystem. That is what MS is hoping to acquire. The "oh wow I didn't think of that" part of the market. They don't have to think like a small "hope we can make it" company anymore. They're here to stay. Now given that, what is the best strategy? Stop anyone else from competing at their scale. Buy them out and make the marketplace ecosystem even smaller.

    The environment has changed, so MS changed to adapt to the new environment. It's not surprising.

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    Weaselmancer
    rediculous.
    1. Re:Simple adaptation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're wrong. This has been MS mo from the very start.

    2. Re:Simple adaptation by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This seems to come up every now and again. MS hasn't changed, they were never an innovation company. Thye got their start on becoming big by buying QDOS from another company. MS has always seen which innovations the market was grabbing onto and then either copied them or bought them.

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    3. Re:Simple adaptation by gtall · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Innovation in any large company is hard regardless of the market. I don't recall MS innovating much of anything...ever, but then I'm a Mac person.

      Someone above wrote about what it was like to be in a small company taken over by MS. If the corporate culture is to promote a competition amongst the employees instead of competition geared toward competitors, then MS is probably what results. If you have a good idea, your co-workers will screw you because if it succeeds, they do not. That leaves the competition aspect of MS in the hands of Business School Product who understand nothing technical and but who really get "screwing a competitor" as a measure of success. Good ideas rise to the top at MS in spite of their current culture as opposed to because of their current culture.

      Many other companies are in the same boat. HP used to be an innovator before they became PC/printer box makers. They screwed their engineering culture and now attempts to get it back are drowned by the Business School Product running the company. IBM appears somewhat similar although they do seem to have some hardware innovation kept alive, probably an oversight that will get killed off eventually.

      It's a bit hard to tell where Apple's innovation comes from since the company is so secretive. Presumably, they have not neutered their engineering and some ideas are bubbling up from them.

    4. Re:Simple adaptation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Im sure i can think of something:
      + MS Office (still goes unbeaten regardless of what critics and nostalgic say about relics such as Wordperfect and other such, yes, Ive tried them, and hated them despite crashes in MS Office..)
      + Visual Basic for Applications (VBA)
      + COM (yes, CORBA etc. knockoff, but they succeeded where most everybody failed to facilitate automation and integration with their systems. Thanks to COM I can do anything in Excel, from Ruby, in like 5-10 minutes coding. Impressive!)
      + Start Menu (a step in the right direction to simplify user interaction. However, they should KISS for the rest of their control panel, accessories, and whatever else they use for "configuration". Of course Vista / Win7 is just horrible in this regard..)
      + Taskbar and program icons (good enough)

      Now, whoever came with an idea first is really not all that conclusive, as you have to market it also, and this is where Microsoft has got most competition beaten, and managed to sell in their systems most everywhere, as it is "good enough" for most tasks and wildly supported.

      Apple? I hate lock-in, so typing this on a Macbook Pro running XP, I wish Apple would go back to their roots, otherwise no more purchases from me (also owning/owned iPhone, unlocked but dont know if I can upgrade anymore, and iPods).

    5. Re:Simple adaptation by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You do know that Microsoft was a successful company before it purchased QDOS and got its big break, don't you? It's primary product was a very nice BASIC interpreter, but it got into other fields, including producing a Unix variant.

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    6. Re:Simple adaptation by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      They bought a unix variant from SCO, they did not create it.

      long before SCO became SCO group and went nuts.

    7. Re:Simple adaptation by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the correction.

      Um, you do know that Microsoft was a successful company before it started buying other companies and products, like what they turned into Xenix and MS-DOS and that Lisp-like thing from that Hawaiian company?

      Producing the best BASIC interpreter around took innovation.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  24. It's because Gates is gone by Jonathan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's true that Gates may not have been a real leader of Microsoft since the 1980s, but like Jobs he was the charismatic symbol of his company. The media ate up his "The Road Ahead" stuff just like they fawn over Jobs' keynotes. Ballmer, despite his sometimes amusing antics, is basically a generic CEO of no real consequence or media appeal.

    1. Re:It's because Gates is gone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's true that Gates may not have been a real leader of Microsoft since the 1980s, but like Jobs he was the charismatic symbol of his company. The media ate up his "The Road Ahead" stuff just like they fawn over Jobs' keynotes. Ballmer, despite his sometimes amusing antics, is basically

      a generic CEO of no real consequence

      There, fixed that for you.

  25. Simple Adaptation by Weaselmancer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The reason why Microsoft is more of an acquire company than an innovation company is that the waters it swims in are different these days.

    When MS started out, they had little money and the market was nearly empty. Very little competition. So the best move for MS to make was innovation. Come up with something new and market that. And hope to make it big, which they did. It was a gamble.

    Now, MS is HUGE. And the market is full - loads of competition. They don't have to innovate anymore. They can assimilate small fish that do their innovation for them. They don't have to take the risks a small company would have to take anymore. A startup in this environment would have to gamble hugely to get big. There isn't much room. Patents and other competition means there are very small survival spaces in the ecosystem. That is what MS is hoping to acquire. The "oh wow I didn't think of that" part of the market. They don't have to think like a small "hope we can make it" company anymore. They're here to stay. Now given that, what is the best strategy? Stop anyone else from competing at their scale. Buy them out and make the marketplace ecosystem even smaller.

    The environment has changed, so MS changed to adapt to the new environment. It's not surprising.

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    Weaselmancer
    rediculous.
  26. Live by the sword, die by the sword by Shotgun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Internal competition is common at great companies. It can be wisely encouraged to force ideas to compete. The problem comes when the competition becomes uncontrolled and destructive. At Microsoft, it has created a dysfunctional corporate culture in which the big established groups are allowed to prey upon emerging teams, belittle their efforts, compete unfairly against them for resources, and over time hector them out of existence.

    This sounds like the same thing they do to external competition.

    --
    Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
    Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
    1. Re:Live by the sword, die by the sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they gotta practice somewhere right?

  27. Gates as Borg avatar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't it time we changed that Gates as Borg avatar with something like Jobs as Borg? Microsoft has lost its appeal as the "bad guy" in recent years...

    1. Re:Gates as Borg avatar by CubicleView · · Score: 1

      The borg reference itself is out of date, and so is appropriate for Gates, and Gates will always be appropriate for Microsoft. I think putting a halo on Jobs and using that for Apple stories would probably have the negative effect you're looking for.

  28. Baffled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have no idea why this posted twice. Feel free to mod it to oblivion.

  29. They used to say that about once-mighty IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..."Microsoft's days are numbered!" decrees seem a bit tired. I have been hearing/reading them since I started my IT career in the early 1990's, and I am still waiting for the Great Satan that is M$ to fall.

    Wow! Your point of reference is waaaaay back in the distant dark ages of the early 1990's, when man first started to walk upright?

    I guess they don't teach ancient technology history in IT skool. Read up on the history of IBM, especially during the pre-dawn-of-civilization period of 1960 - 1990 (when dinosaurs still roamed the planet). I think that you'll have a different perspective after that.

  30. Microsoft is me. by stimpleton · · Score: 1

    "Microsoft has become a clumsy, uncompetitive innovator."

    The small company I work for is now mired in its own processes. I have no authority to do anything to change that. The positive is that we will not get to the stage of being an attractive acquisition, so jobs are pretty safe.

    The downside is all the key innovators ( I include myself) at my work feel stymied.

    I would not feel sorry for the strategists at Microsoft, but I would feel sorry for their innovators. Their day cannot be a cakewalk.

    --

    In post Patriot Act America, the library books scan you.
    1. Re:Microsoft is me. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "The small company I work for is now mired in its own processes. I have no authority to do anything to change that. The positive is that we will not get to the stage of being an attractive acquisition, so jobs are pretty safe. The downside is all the key innovators ( I include myself) at my work feel stymied. I would not feel sorry for the strategists at Microsoft, but I would feel sorry for their innovators. Their day cannot be a cakewalk."

      But hey...at least your still getting a paycheck, right?

      That's the most important thing, especially these days.

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  31. Damn I hate these top 10 slideshows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Need to click ten time to see the full list.

    Huge pain in the ass and extremely unuser-friendly.

  32. Microsoft's "birthright" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a slashdot article submission about Microsoft that's, at worse, neutral. Where's the pro-forma jab

    In what universe is Microsoft owed positive coverage by virtue of its mere existence? Where I come from you earn your reputation, good or bad, and you wear it. Tough titties.

    If you want effusiveness over Microsoft's alleged virtues, I'd suggest that you read the business pages, not the (genuine) technology pages. They might be the wet dreams of investment analysts, whose sole goal is the accumulation of maximal wealth by whatever means possible, but to real technology world, they create a huge net loss. Mediocrity (at best) and pervasiveness are not feats of technological ingenuity.

    I often muse at how much more advanced the computing world would be had Microsoft not created an effective monopoly and caused virtual stagnation of the creative forces of development.

  33. Unintentional monopoly? by plopez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The author was only there from '97 to '04. There was nothing unintentional about it. If you know their history you know this. Their restrictive licensing began in the '80s. For example, early on they made license deals with manufacturers, e.g. Dell and Gateway. What that came down to was the manufacturer had to pay a fee whether or not a PC shipped with an MS OS. So what did they do? Ship only MS OS on their machines. MS was locking out the competition as as fast as possible.

    This is also the company that said, It's not done until Lotus won't run".

    Ballmer earning profits? He lead MS into their first ever period of losses. Now only remediated by Windows 7. Vista was a train wreck.

    Being a monopoly has done what it always does; t makes a company fat, sloppy, lazy, and unimaginative.

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  34. Agreed, 110% (w/ many of your sentiments), but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    "The personal computer OS is a mature product category, and would be better served -- especially in Microsoft's case -- by fixing its plethora of bugs and security holes and misfeatures and just supporting new hardware as it comes along. While they're at it, maybe they could focus on optimizing its memory and CPU usage so that there's more left over for -- again -- the applications its supposed to support." - by Angst Badger (8636) on Thursday February 11, @12:26PM (#31101402)

    Agreed, 110%! However, I do think Microsoft has begun to do THAT VERY THING, because the past few "Microsoft 'Patch Tuesdays'" (the past 4-5 or so) have been pretty "extensive" (a couple were the largest ever known @ one shot for instance, the last one & one a few before it for example)... so, I think they are "onto" your point.

    The OS itself is pretty solid. imo @ least (by that, I mean the "Windows NT-based family", & of that family (2000/XP/Server 2003/VISTA/Server 2008/Windows 7) specifically Server 2003, Server 2008, & Windows 7 are the "highlights" of the best of them all...

    (Well - Regarding the latter 2, Server 2008 & Win7 - albeit ONLY with a couple suggestions I sent to a MS manager who posts here named Foredecker (who actually listened (after initially objecting to 2 points I made on DNS client cache & the HOSTS file)). He is now looking into 2 said points I made on his/their/MS' end of things (which I will have an answer to soon, by March, per his "impromptu deadline" he set on the points I had made to he)).

    They're NOT stupid people, & they hire some of the BEST TALENT OUT THERE (Anders Heijelsberg & Dr. Mark Russinovich being 2 I know of for example)... it's just that they have a HUMUNGOUS product line (in summation) to take care of + keep track of vulnerabilities in alone. Not a "small" undertaking I'd imagine. They just have their work cut out for them... specifically the MOST in IE & Office.

    APK

    P.S.=> To this point of yours though? I have to disagree, based sheerly on their results of owning MOST of the "PC Market share":

    "Microsoft is failing miserably (and, for misguided marketing purposes, deliberately) at both." - by Angst Badger (8636) on Thursday February 11, @12:26PM (#31101402)

    They've come QUITE a long ways, & again - look @ the size + amount of apps they have to take care of (again for both security vulnerabilities AND performance improvements purposes)... I mean, E.G.-> Last I knew of? Windows 2000 (older & smaller) topped 30-40 million lines of code (largest project I personally ever wrote or co-wrote was 5++ million lines of code + SQL backend stuff like stored procedures etc. et al)... that's NOT a 'trivial undertaking' to try to find every possible bug in OR to find performance improvements in.

    Personally? I am surprised on 2 accounts ( & here is what I'd do diff. than MS does, for their own good AND those of their users too):

    1.) Ship the OS "closed" (security hardened, with most risky stuff, if not all, "turned off") - User wants to "turn them on" (such as using ActiveX &/or javascript)? Then, the USER TAKES THE RISK, period/point-blank.

    2.) Dump the code into ASM (x86 assembly), or, as much as possible of it... why?? Performance! They no longer write for MIPS/Alpha (RISC stuff), so why bother keep it written in C/C++?? I mean, other than for maintenance purposes (because C/C++ are easier to read-write/understand than Assembly language is), C/C++ are SLOWER (yes, & I don't care what compiler you use either, they still are slower than straight ASM).

    apk

  35. Re:Agreed, 110% (w/ many of your sentiments), but. by jonwil · · Score: 1

    You cant convert Windows to ASM because of x86-64 and Itanium.
    Both of which have different instruction sets to plain x86.

  36. Point taken, but not "undoable" (just BIG effort) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "You cant convert Windows to ASM because of x86-64 and Itanium. Both of which have different instruction sets to plain x86." - by jonwil (467024) on Thursday February 11, @08:28PM (#31108370)

    Why not though? IF performance gains aren't obtainable anymore via better engines/algorithms... then, why NOT move the code (or as much as possible of it) to Assembly code instead of C/C++? This is NOT "undoable" on MS' part (though it would be a MAJOR PAIN & EFFORT, I can concede that).

    That alone would probably quite easily "eke" another 10-20% (at least) performance boost out of Windows of ANY KIND/VERSION, & right off the bat, doing that alone.

    The reason I note this?

    Well, that is because it was how I heard a how MS got LARGE part of how they "got more" performance out of the far older Windows 3.x series: Going "straight asm" as much as possible (or, so I heard tell in the "dim days of yore", circa 15-16++ yrs. back), vs. using C/C++ as the base code for much of it.

    Still: I concede, that You have a point, & that it'd mean more than just doing a conversion for 32-bit processors today. I wasn't thinking about 64-bit (so, point taken) but... that doesn't mean that changing to assembly level code, vs. C/C++, on the Itanium or other 64-bit (or hybrids) chips is "undoable" either!

    (Only REAL question is, would it worth the effort & dollars that'd have to be expended (because as we all know from the world of business, there is a matter of "ROI"... would gaining another immediate say, 20% gain, be worth changing over the code of an entire OS for the dollars spent in the doing of it?)).

    APK

    P.S.=> It's just a thought on MS doing a build of a modern Windows (such as Windows 7) in pure or NEAR pure ASM code for x86 (or variants possibly, but I'd think that'd matter most for gamers actually as far as performance nuts go out there)...

    ALSO - I still think that MS would be much better served by going to a "security hardened" model of Windows (per my 1st of my 2 suggestions in my previous posts' "p.s." section @ its termination to which you replied to here)!

    Why?

    Well, then they would put the responsibility onto the end users out there, letting them know the risks of various things they face by "turning said things on", & thus, letting users assume the responsibility of "turning on" the things in computers that are risky today, such as Javascript &/or ActiveX (as just a couple examples thereof)...

    I mean, hey - Let's face it: Those tools are "the harbingers of doom" in a GOOD 90% or better of today's exploits upon end-users worldwide... apk

  37. IBM and Microsoft are evenly matched by mister_playboy · · Score: 1

    IBM
    Revenue: US$ 95.757 billion (2009)
    Operating income: US$ 17.012 billion (2009)
    Net income: US$ 13.425 billion (2009)
    Total assets: US$ 109.023 billion (2009)
    Total equity: US$ 22.637 billion (2009)
    Microsoft
    Revenue: US$ 58.437 billion (2009)
    Operating income: US$ 20.363 billion (2009)
    Net income: US$ 14.569 billion (2009)
    Total assets: US$ 77.888 billion (2009)
    Total equity: US$ 39.558 billion (2009)

    Pretty evenly matched, actually.

    --
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    1. Re:IBM and Microsoft are evenly matched by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      Pretty evenly matched, actually.

      Interesting, but it doesn't quite tell the whole story. IBM may be making as much money as Microsoft but MS has much more impact in the computing industry. Still, it backs up my general contention which is that while IBM is doing fine, it's no longer the 600-pound personal computer gorilla that it used to be--it ceded that role to Microsoft. I think that's how Microsoft itself will end up eventually. It won't go away but it will no longer be as important as it is now.

      --
      This ain't rocket surgery.
  38. Re:Point taken, but not "undoable" (just BIG effor by w32jon · · Score: 1

    1. that would be an absolute nightmare in terms of code maintainability, debugging, etc. Windows source code today is far larger than Windows 3.0 code

    2. compilers have improved since the Windows 3.0 days, they're far better than humans at optimizing in many cases

    3. Itanium architecture is explicitly parallel, writing assembly for that is completely different from writing x86, it's far from a simple conversion

    4. Game performance is limited mostly by your GPU, and CPU usage by your OS is minimal compared to CPU usage by the game itself. Gamers won't see much benefit from this.

    The effort required to write and maintain the code in assembly is so great that it's infeasible in practice, and you wouldn't really get that much benefit from doing it.

  39. Re:Point taken, but not "undoable" (just BIG effor by w32jon · · Score: 1

    If you really wanted to do hardware-specific optimizations today, you'd probably be better off finding parts of the code where you can execute things in parallel. You could get good performance benefits from multicore processors.

  40. I covered all you said, please: Don't skim! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "1. that would be an absolute nightmare in terms of code maintainability, debugging, etc. Windows source code today is far larger than Windows 3.0 code" - by w32jon (1317789) on Friday February 12, @05:06AM (#31110922)

    I noted that already here ->

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    "2. compilers have improved since the Windows 3.0 days, they're far better than humans at optimizing in many cases" - by w32jon (1317789) on Friday February 12, @05:06AM (#31110922)

    The best C/C++ compilers STILL aren't as fast as straight ASM, point-blank though...

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    "3. Itanium architecture is explicitly parallel, writing assembly for that is completely different from writing x86, it's far from a simple conversion" - by w32jon (1317789) on Friday February 12, @05:06AM (#31110922)

    Personally, since MS "dumped" MIPS/ALPHA (& other RISC based chips, like PowerPC too)... why the heck are the sticking by ITANIUM? Makes NO sense to me, but still - this is NOT "undoable" for even more/better performance by going "straight ASM" or, as much as is possible though, period.

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    "4. Game performance is limited mostly by your GPU, and CPU usage by your OS is minimal compared to CPU usage by the game itself. Gamers won't see much benefit from this." - by w32jon (1317789) on Friday February 12, @05:06AM (#31110922)

    Oh, really? I went from an AMD X2 4800+ CPU 2 core CPU (2400mhz, & less cache than my new one) to an INTEL Core I7 920 4 core CPU (2600mhz & more L1/L2 etc. cache onboard the CPU by far)... & in Quake 4 + Doom III, for example?

    Well, on my older machine I could "keep up with" the enemies on nightmare level + uncapped (you can release the 60fps lock in IDSoftware's games in these 2 examples)... on my newer one? NO WAY.

    By the way?? SAME VIDEO CARD WAS USED (NVidia/EVGA 8800 GT OC)...

    (So much for that, because "anecdotal evidence" or not? It's the truth!)

    Now, don't get me wrong - on many games, this matters (GPU more important than CPU etc. et al), but, that's not only what I saw in IDSoftware's stuff (my fav, because J. Carmack's a GENIUS).

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    "The effort required to write and maintain the code in assembly is so great that it's infeasible in practice, and you wouldn't really get that much benefit from doing it." - by w32jon (1317789) on Friday February 12, @05:06AM (#31110922)

    Uhm, once more - IF you're going to "troll me", or attempt to "get the better of me"? Don't use points I already covered in my replies, per this one here in this exchange in reply to others here -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1546446&cid=31109564

    APK

    P.S.=> Thanks, & "better luck next time"... apk

  41. On parallelism, I can agree, but w/ reservations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If you really wanted to do hardware-specific optimizations today, you'd probably be better off finding parts of the code where you can execute things in parallel. You could get good performance benefits from multicore processors." - by w32jon (1317789) on Friday February 12, @05:21AM (#31110988)

    This from you, vs. your other post reply here -> http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1546446&cid=31114804

    This much I can agree on... but, with "reservations" (per my subject-line above). Why? Well... here is why:

    The ONLY question here is, is actually FINDING the parallelism...

    So you know, I do actually speak from decades of professional experience on that account here!

    (E.G.-> I've been writing multithreaded & even EXPLICITLY parallellized code (via Win32 API calls for processors present creation + API methods/functions/calls like "SetThreadAffinity" or "SetProcessAffinity" even, but I usually do what's called "coarse multithreading" because it's less work & the fact that today's Process Scheduling Kernel mode subsystems can take care of sending parent &/or child threads to less/least CPU cycle saturated processors, for me... without ME having to do it via my own scheduling for that much... I've done that, professionally + for 'fun' too, & for over 15++ years now here, example thereof here -> http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/389/APK_Registry_Cleaning_Engine_2002++_SR-7_.html & here too -> http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/390/APK_Matrix_ScreenSaver.html as evidences thereof in freewares alone, many more in commercial code or enterprise class business apps usually... )

    Finding tasks that lend to "coarse multithreading" is tough enough, but for "fine grained multithreading"? What DOES lend itself to that, is often prone to race conditions for example, & it is NOT as easy to do as "coarse multithreading" is.

    E.G. on "COARSE MULTITHREADING" -> Recalc 1 workshee's cells in a spreadsheet in 1 THREAD, while printing another worksheet of said spreadsheet via ANOTHER THREAD... easier to do by far, because diff. datasets are being worked on.

    E.G. on "FINE GRAINED MULTITHREADING" -> In the same datafile, attempting to reformat it's interior format while taking said data & putting it out to a printer... this IS tougher, but NOT "the greatest example" thereof though on my part, admittedly.

    BAD MOVE would be trying to put this on 2 diff. threads:

    A=B+C
    B=A+D

    Where B has to wait out B completing first, so what's the point of using two diff threads here (1 for Operation A, & 1 for Operation B)? None... they "block" one another.

    APK

    P.S.=> Hope you caught my drift, & I wasn't trying to be mean, but in the URL above in your first comment? I covered MOST of what you noted too... you just skimmed it seems, without reading my replies to others here perhaps... apk