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Overzealous Enforcement Means Even Legit Music Blogs Deleted

AnotherUsername writes "Recently, many [Google-hosted] music blogs were deleted for hosting mp3s of songs by various artists. The problem? The music blogs in question had been given permission to host the songs, and often, the older links to mp3s were often broken intentionally by the bloggers in order to save bandwidth. From the article: 'You're reading this right: Five years of Lipold's labor of love was deleted, in part, because he posted a track with full permission of a label, and the track apparently wasn't even online by the time the IFPI filed its complaint.'"

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  1. Artificial Scarcity of Distribution models by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What? You thought this had anything to do with their "intellectual property"?

    This has everything to do with crushing alternative distribution methods.

  2. This will keep happening... by SharpFang · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...as long as there are no repercussions for frivolous DMCA.

    The only provision limiting the scope in DMCA is to own copyright on whatever you claim someone infringes upon.

    So, I have copyright on MyDumbSong. And I am totally free to file DMCA against _anyone_ and everyone_ and _anything_ and _everything_, claiming it infringes on my rights to MyDumbSong. And then it's their burden to prove they don't. And taking content down is so much easier than proving its legality.

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    1. Re:This will keep happening... by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you're going to invest years into something, there's no reason why you can't also invest a few dollars a month into a hosting plan.

      There are plenty of plans out there that let you do a one-click install of whatever sort of content management or blogging software you could reasonably need, and you get to customize it. And one-click backups and restores, for both the database backend and the site itself.

      Plus you get your own domain name.

      And you don't have to worry about "someone else already has that email / user name" crap.

    2. Re:This will keep happening... by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Only if the weapon is a xylophone.

    3. Re:This will keep happening... by twidarkling · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you run on someone else's hosting, they'll just send the DMCA to your host, who will then take down your content. They only way you'd be safe from being DMCA'd is if you had your own server sitting in your closet. And that's what GP was talking about with their post.

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    4. Re:This will keep happening... by gnasher719 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, contrary to your claim there will be very serious repercussions if the blogger takes this case to court.

      When you file a DMCA complaint, you declare that you are the copyright holder or an agent of the copyright holder, and that there has been a good reason to suspect copyright infringement. If that is not the case, then the DMCA complaint is actually a criminal act. And since the blogger claims that he had the permission of the copyright holder, it seems that a criminal act happened (assuming the blogger is telling the truth). And I think damages would be awarded against the complainant anyway if the complaint was not justified (that is if the complainant had good reason to believe there was copyright infringement, but turned out to be wrong).

    5. Re:This will keep happening... by Endo13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which is all well and good if you have the money or influence to get a good lawyer on your case for you. Some of these bloggers may actually have the influence, if not the money. But how many of them don't? And how many other wrongful DMCA notices and take-downs occur each year that go unpunished?

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    6. Re:This will keep happening... by sjames · · Score: 3, Informative

      If that is not the case, then the DMCA complaint is actually a criminal act.

      Which has never in the history of the DMCA seen a single enforcement in criminal or civil court.

  3. This is exactly the spirit of the law by damburger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The laws in question are basically a way of saying 'the music industry controls music. There shall be no music without our say so' whilst appearing to be a justified set of rules to make the industry fair. Even if this were the first example (it really, really is not) then nobody ought to be at all surprised. Few service or hosting providers have the balls to actually look into the matter when a legal-sounding letter arrives; they just err on the side of not being taken to court and comply immediately, which is exactly the kind of environment the content industry has sought to create.

    Rather than there being a presumption of innocence for those publishing on the web, and the rights holder having to prove guilt - there is a a presumption of guilt and the publisher has to prove innocence, normally with far fewer legal funds available than the rights holder. There is also no consequence to the service/hosting provider for taking content down.

    In a society so thoroughly and openly corrupt, how can this be a surprise? If the entire government and legal system is open to the highest bidder (true in every western nation I can think of) then naturally the intent of all laws will be to keep entrenched elites in place.

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    1. Re:This is exactly the spirit of the law by Thoreauly+Nuts · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's completely ass backwards and results in a total thwarting of creativity.

      I compiled some research recently to assess creative work ethic amongst musical artists from the 60s to the present. It had nothing to do with copyright originally, but the data can easily be arranged to show some interesting things about what effect increasing copyright lengths may or may not have on creativity.

      Using album lengths of studio albums for these artists I came up with a figure I called CPY, which just stands for content per year, which is measured in minutes. For this post, I took my data and divided the artists between 2 groups: Pre 1978 & Post 1978. Jan 1, 1978 is when the 1976 Copyright Act took effect BTW.

      The Pre 1978 group had an average CPY of 42.55 minutes
      The Post 1978 group had an average CPY of 30.6 minutes

      This is about a 28.1% reduction in creative output after the copyright act took effect. Now, correlation does not imply causation, so it can't necessarily be said that this dramatic drop was caused by the copyright act. However, it can certainly be said that the copyright act definitely is NOT causing an increase in creative output. There is no evidence of such in the data whatsoever. In fact, creative output has held close to the margin of error from the 80s onward in my data.

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  4. Another lesson from this by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Keep backups of everything. If it isn't on your server you don't know when you'll lose it. If you keep backups you can just move elsewhere if there's a problem.

  5. Anonymous Robot? by russotto · · Score: 4, Informative

    accused blogger must file a counter-claim or, after an unquantified number of complaints -- valid or otherwise -- the law forces Google (or any other blogging platform) to terminate the accounts of "repeat offenders," even if their only mistake was not to file paperwork against the accusations of an anonymous robot -- sad and wrong, but mandated by current law.

    Unless the law has changed recently, all DMCA notices must contain the signature of the complaining party. So it can't be an _anonymous_ robot. If Google has agreed to an expidited, unsigned, automated, takedown process, it's not the law's fault.

    If they are signing them, the fact that the law doesn't make false DMCA notices explicitly illegal is the problem.

    1. Re:Anonymous Robot? by russotto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No. The only thing you are required to attest to under the penalty of perjury in a DMCA notice is that you own or represent the owner of the copyright of the work you are claiming was infringed. All the rest can be lies (including the part where you say it's true to the best of your knowledge). If you own just one copyright, you can, without committing perjury, send a DMCA notice to anyone's ISP demanding they take something down as an infringement of your copyright. Even if you know damn well it's false.

  6. Re:New tagline/category needed by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you're going to host a blog for five years, why not upgrade to hosting it yourself? Even technically challenged simpletons can install wordpress on most large webhosts these days (mine was installed with the single press of a fat, green "install wordpress now" button). Surely you can handle that if you're capable of getting permission to host, and then upload and link to the MP3. Blog hosting through a 3rd party once you're old enough to afford it, particularly if you've been writing in it for years (with no backup??? wtf?) is just asking for trouble.

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  7. Achilles Heel. by headkase · · Score: 5, Interesting

    By the way, I refuse to cooperate in the slightest until I get at least one thing: a functioning public domain. Not this pretend one where perhaps after I'm long dead, maybe, just maybe - assuming no more extensions: my grandchildren will get to copy Steamboat Willy. There is no public domain if it doesn't happen in my lifetime: fact. Without my public domain I unilaterally declare the whole of copyright null and void, "they" broke it first so no agreement until "they" come back and deal in good faith. Because apparently politicians do not believe that Citizens need to be consulted for their positions to bargain with at the copyright table. Guess they're just too damn busy stuffing the money into their pockets as fast as possible under the table. It's a Sonny situation. Heh.

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  8. Re:what's this whole do no evil thing? by Gabrosin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From TFA:

    the Digital Millennium Copyright Act forces Google to take these actions — otherwise, it would lose the protection of the DMCA’s “safe harbor” clause and could be found liable for any copyright infringement on its blogging networks.

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    after an unquantified number of complaints — valid or otherwise — the law forces Google (or any other blogging platform) to terminate the accounts of “repeat offenders,” even if their only mistake was not to file paperwork against the accusations of an anonymous robot — sad and wrong, but mandated by current law.

    So... why do you fault Google for this, rather than the IFPI/RIAA? Do you think that "don't be evil" translates to "knowingly violate the (admittedly crappy) law"? I can't imagine how Google opening itself to a RIAA lawsuit would be beneficial to anyone involved in this whole mess.

  9. Re:New tagline/category needed by rockNme2349 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You sir, do not understand Web x.0

    His blog was hosted in the Cloud! A super place where data is impervious to destruction and can never be lost!

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  10. Re:Fake it until you make it? by RichardJenkins · · Score: 4, Funny

    Step 1. Rebuild the Berlin wall.

  11. Re:New tagline/category needed by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you're going to host a blog for five years, why not upgrade to hosting it yourself?

    Why host it yourself if using existing services works so well? Sure, the guy might change stance now, but until this point I doubt that he thought anyone would be so reckless and careless in how they approached copyright enforcement, especially when the guy had permission. The more extremist copyright holders try to stamp down, the more people will realise there is a force out there out of control. Sure there are plenty of people flaunting copyright, but every case has to be looked at on a individual basis otherwise its no better shutting down a whole city just because a few people were breaking the law.

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  12. Welcome to the Corporate States of America by Newer+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Welcome to the Corporate States of America-where coroprations have all the RIGHTS of citizens-and more-with none of their RESPONSIBILITIES!

    Want proof? Here it is! http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/realestate/article1072632.ece

    If a human being had done this, we'd be charged with the felony crime of breaking and entering-BUT after all Bank of America isn't a human, are they? Personally, I think that when stuff like this is done they should arrest the President of the corporation, process him and then throw him in a cell with the derelicts (make sure you do it on a long holiday weekend so he suffers for a few days).

    You might think that this is off topic, but it really isn't. Corporations have WAY TOO MUCH POWER-mainly because they have been able to BRIBE our corrupt government into letting them have it!

  13. One hand not knowing what the other is doing. by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since it appears it is a case of labels saying it is ok and a lawyer or someone just blindly getting everything taken down then I think it is about time we do something to protect the blogger's work.

    If music labels can get infinity billion dollars for copyright violation then surely the blogger should get similar compensation for having his website destroyed by careless lawyers. Everything is about having the right checks and balances and right now things are biased towards the companies. I definitely think it would be within reason for a blogger to expect a few hundred thousand lawyer or responsible party for having his site (and possibly only means of income) wiped out in an instant due to incompetence.

  14. Re:New tagline/category needed by Hadlock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why host it yourself if using existing services works so well?

    Because hosting it yourself gives you infinitely better control of your content.I don't just mean against legal threats, I mean in presenting your information to the public/your readers. Blogger is pretty rudimentary compared to what you can do with something as basic as WordPress, and you can just go crazy with other free things like Drupal. The term control also conveniently includes backup and legal protection from the DCMA. If blogging about music is your hobby, which if he was doing it for five years, it probably was, then it's worth it to yourself to bite the bullet and buy the hosting/domain for 5-10 years. If you buy in bulk most registrars and hosting solutions will give you crazy good deals. I bought my domain on sale for $1/year and bought the maximum I could buy at the time (15 years) and bought 7 years worth of hosting for less than $200. That boils down to about $2.50 a month. Most people spend more on coffee in a morning. When you look at the cost of blogging as a hobby, it's almost free, even if you pay for it. If you've got enough viewers/bandwidth issues you can double or triple your bandwidth for only a dollar more a month usually.
     
    I'd been "blogging" since I was 16, but couldn't afford the domain name/hosting until college. I'm sure when my domain/hosting expires in five years I'll buy another 20 years worth of hosting. Not investing in a website for a blogger is like an author not investing in a typewriter/computer.

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  15. Re:Freedom by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People have the insanely naive, stupid idea that when they have someone else host their content that they will still have control over that content.

    You voluntarily surrender everything when you have someone else host your shit

    The good side is that when they nuke it your poor planning becomes an example to others.

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  16. Send a DMCA counterclaim by wshs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Google doesn't delete stuff as a result of a DMCA notice. They block access to it. Send a DMCA counterclaim, and Google will put your blog back up in a week or less.

  17. Re:what's this whole do no evil thing? by icebraining · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's not how DMCA works. They have to take it down right away:

    Common Misunderstandings

    It is sometimes stated that the ISP needs to give the alleged infringer ten days notice before acting. This is incorrect: the ISP must act expeditiously. The ten day period refers to the counter notification procedure described in Section 512(g) after the infringing material has been removed, offering them an opportunity to counter the allegations presented to the ISP not during the stage of the so-called "take down" procedure.

    So Google is not at fault here.

  18. Re:New tagline/category needed by Evil+Shabazz · · Score: 3, Funny

    But.. but.. Corporations act in my best interest!

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  19. Tiger Woods tried that... by syousef · · Score: 3, Funny

    Make fucking backups. Test fucking backups regularly.

    Tiger Woods tried that...and lost half his fortune

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