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2010 — the Year AACS and HDMI Kill Off HD Component Video

For home theater buffs who want (or already have) a high-def system using component-video connections, time may be growing short. Audiofan writes with this story, which begins: "Digital HD (high definition), like that enabled through HDMI and Blu-ray, is awesome. It offers amazing picture and audio quality. It allows you to conveniently connect one single cable to provide both picture and sound. It is royally going to screw up a lot of homes next year. Wait, what was that last part? After December 31, 2010, manufacturers will not be 'allowed' [to] introduce new hardware with component video outputs supplying more than an SD resolution (480i or 576i). Should this go through as planned, it's going to disable or throw a wrench in a lot of existing custom installations as soon as the end of this year." The AACS in the headline stands for Advanced Access Content System, the industry scheme to block "the analog hole" by controlling content from storage media to eyeballs.

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  1. Just buy the unofficial ones by cstdenis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There will still be plenty of HDMI to composite converters coming out of China, etc.

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    1. Re:Just buy the unofficial ones by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

      They already do, HDFury being the most popular one. Google for "HDCP stripper".

    2. Re:Just buy the unofficial ones by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was really interested in and browsed this for almost 4 hours before I realized that my spell check changed it from HDCP to HARD.

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    3. Re:Just buy the unofficial ones by natehoy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sorry, I'm not going to Google any phrase containing the word "stripper". Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.

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    4. Re:Just buy the unofficial ones by rugatero · · Score: 5, Funny
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    5. Re:Just buy the unofficial ones by sexconker · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wrong. HDFury is legal and sanctioned.

      It's downgrading the digital connection to an analog connection. It has legit HDCP keys.

      It does NOT give you a digital output, and does not crack HDCP.

      If the new rules get adopted, then the manufacturer of HDFury will be unable to manufacture any more of them.

    6. Re:Just buy the unofficial ones by lorenlal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed.

      There's just no standard for it yet. I stand corrected.

    7. Re:Just buy the unofficial ones by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hope this does not offend you, but there are people who do not want to be required to break the law to watch their legally bought movies on their legally bought home-theater equipment...

      Well, that's the point of TFA: You're fucked.

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    8. Re:Just buy the unofficial ones by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People who are willing to obey the law

      That's where the problems start. Good people have to be willing to ignore and break bad laws en masse, not doing so is to participate in your own oppression. (And participate in the political process to abolish those laws of course.)

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  2. Money Money Money by CorporateSuit · · Score: 5, Insightful
    • $25 for component
    • $60 for HDMI
    • Unchecked licensing authority

    What we have is a perfect recipe for greed!

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    1. Re:Money Money Money by Frequency+Domain · · Score: 5, Funny

      You left off the $200 gold-plated HDMI connectors. Since converting to gold plated, I've noticed that the digital signal has 0's which are softer and rounder, while the 1's are slimmer and pointier at the top.

    2. Re:Money Money Money by Wovel · · Score: 4, Funny

      I prefer the more natural feel of less pointy 1s and less defined 0s

    3. Re:Money Money Money by natehoy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then you need gold-pressed-latinum plated HDMI cables, and our specially-crafted power strip made of ebony hand-rubbed to a sheen by naked virgins. It softens the zeros and rounds the ones ever so slightly. There's even a knob hand-carved from a Unicorn horn that stretches a bit of snipegut and can adjust the pointiness to a great level of precision. The dial even goes to 11, and there's a 12 setting available for a small extra fee of $50,000.

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    4. Re:Money Money Money by Wovel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Interesting the last snipegut stretching knob I bought was made of rhino horn and I was unhappy with the result. Perhaps the magic of a Unicorn horn is what I need.

      Where can I order one? 50k is very affordable if I will be able to convince myself it is working as you describe.

    5. Re:Money Money Money by natehoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We're not. It's a very nice-looking cable.

      We're mocking you.

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    6. Re:Money Money Money by natehoy · · Score: 5, Funny

      The $50K is the upgrade to 12. The unit itself is $250,000 for the base model, and extra $10,000 if you want to specify the hair color of the virgins who rub the ebony (redheads tend to have brighter, harsher treble, for example).

      Of course, you'll want one for each channel to avoid any crosstalk, and one of our technicians will happily walk you through the process of having a second power feed run to your house so you don't run both channels off the same power lines, because that would be just silly.

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  3. no analogue holes by russ1337 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm sure there will be a $1000 cable from Monster that has 'no analogue holes'. "Use this for your composite video to ensure you get the best composite signal with no analogue holes" Buyers will SWEAR their 480i show 'looks as good as HD'. I love Monster Cable, they collect 'stupid tax'.

    1. Re:no analogue holes by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Funny

      Monster cables are higher quality than your basic cables. When most the signals were analog, this made a difference especially on a good AV system. Now that the signals are digital, the quality does not suffer as much due to the signal degradation.

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  4. Re:Summary contradicts itself... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the article:

    Lest you think that this won't affect existing players, note that after January 1, 2011, the manufacturers of Blu-ray discs will be able (at their option) to insert an Image Constraint Token into any Blu-ray disc. This is a sort of "digital flag" that will turn off the high-definition component video output in the player (effectively turning it into a low-resoluton 480i/576i output). The goal is to make sure that all high-definition video will only be made possible through "secure" digital connections like HDMI.

  5. Hmmm...time to buy by HikingStick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If I were one with a little extra cash (or a lot of available credit), I might just buy up a lot of the desirable components now, and then make a modest margin by reselling them on Amazon or eBay after remaining stocks dwindle.

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  6. Shrug. Only affects legitimate consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Up to about 2001-2002 I was a legitimate consumer, but when the trend of shafting legitimate consumers became the industry standards, I went 100% piracy.
    My entire entertainment system is a lean, mean, swashbuckling, pirating machine. There is no hole in which to insert a physical media; why would I need a DVD or Blu-ray source, since I have no intention of buying any discs? DVD player went to the dump with my VHS.

    Now my country does levy a blank CD tax...Oh yeah, I never buy any blank discs because EVERYTHING is on Hard drives or flash cards.
    I'm laughing man, because I am so not legit.

    Ok, queue up the haters, I don't give a shit what any of you think.

    1. Re:Shrug. Only affects legitimate consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Up to about 2001-2002 I was a legitimate consumer...

      You've failed to grasp that as far as these "content cartels" are concerned, there is NO such thing as a legitimate consumer. To them the world is consists of them, and pirates. There is nothing in between, and all are guilty.

    2. Re:Shrug. Only affects legitimate consumers by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now my country does levy a blank CD tax...Oh yeah, I never buy any blank discs because EVERYTHING is on Hard drives or flash cards.
      I'm laughing man, because I am so not legit.
      Ok, queue up the haters, I don't give a shit what any of you think.

      You know what I think? You're not going to have to re-buy all your stuff when they come out with the next standard after blue-ray. You'll just have to download things again. Not too shabby.

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  7. Yes, Just like the last few times. by bferlin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I seem to remember the same argument with Region Codes and DIVX. People voted with the wallet last time, why would this time be any different?

    Even if they do get their way, all they will do is create a cottage industry of security-defeating technologies. And like always, the real pirates who make tons of money selling counterfeits will find ways around it.

    It's the actual consumer that can't watch that latest DVD because of DRM that doesn't quite work right that get screwed.

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  8. No more intelligent responses... by fruitbane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I typically try to express some kind of intelligent or informed opinion on /. stories, but all I can come up with here is, "Screw you, AACS." I have not yet moved to Blu-Ray or an HD TV, and this makes me much less likely to want to. Bastards.

  9. Oblig... by AmigaHeretic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Though not exactly on topic, I feel like I should post this like I always do...

    "24K gold-plated connectors help protect the cable's optical lens to ensure consistent signal transfer"

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Rocketfish%26%23153%3B+-+8'+Digital+Optical+Cable/8315147.p?id=1174694191675&skuId=8315147&st=optical

    1. Re:Oblig... by clarkkent09 · · Score: 5, Funny
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  10. So, basically, don't bother buying blu-ray? by dr2chase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    because one way or another, you'll get screwed?

  11. Re:Summary contradicts itself... by Duradin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet another reason not to bother with BR.

  12. Re:Why force the market? by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Somehow I still doubt it will work. People don't like being told they can't have their way and someone will find a way to give them what they want anyways.

    Yeah, the 1920s proved that.

    I used to think that people don't learn history. They do. What they don't learn is the ability to see how the current, "new" situation is similar to things that have happened before under similar conditions and can be expected to yield the same results. So every new development like this is a surprise to them. When it succeeds only in creating a market (underground, if need be) for non-compliant players that do what the customer wants, I guess the businesses behind this will be surprised too.

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  13. Re:Nintendo Wii without Component? by Anonymusing · · Score: 4, Informative

    Purely FYI: AC means this cable. Thanks for the tip on monoprice, had not heard of them before. Geek fail.

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  14. It's only reasonable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think your setup is perfectly reasonable. How much moralizing do you see companies go through when they employ slave laborers to make goods or outsource your job to some third-world worker for a pittance? They are taking things away from others just because they can, so why shouldn't you do the same?

    Slashtards go on about how it's okay because "corporation are amoral" and they "have a responsibility to make as much money for their shareholders as possible." If that is the case, then it's perfectly sensible to do the same thing yourself. Pirating is cheaper than buying, and allows me to have more money for other uses, therefore it is the right thing to do.

    As they have sown, so they shall reap. All hail the false idol of money and bow before the might of the corporate gods.

  15. Re:Where? by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Everywhere. This is a licensing requirement to be able to play protected content, not a US regulatory requirement.

  16. Re:Not as bad as it sounds by Craig+Davison · · Score: 4, Informative
  17. Re:Are the manufacturers getting more greedy by natehoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is just the first time they've removed the old standard by legal caveat, rather than simple obsolescence.

    Component can easily handle very high definition, but it won't be allowed because (snicker) of course it's only possible to (chortle) copy video if you (guffaw) have access to an analog data stream of it. (HA HA HA !!!!! snort)

    I mean, it's just not going to be possible (tee hee) to make an unlocked copy (ha ha) of the video at its full resolution.

    BWAAHAHAH!!!!! Sorry, sometimes I kill myself.

    Don't you worry none, as soon as BluRay turns on this flag there'll be an MKV extractor and you won't have to fret about this silly flag nonsense.

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  18. Pirates laughing all the way to the home theatre. by azmodean+1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So once again we have more hoops for paying customers to jump through and perhaps have their legally purchased content automatically downgrade itself in order to "protect" the MPAA and member companies. Meanwhile everyone who has given up on the ridiculously outdated and self-defeating content distribution system suffers no inconvenience whatsoever.

    The further along this train wreck progresses the more my outrage turns into bemused detachment. I haven't bought any non-indie media in quite a long time now (occasionally I catch a movie or concert). I do feel somewhat sorry for the people who haven't figured out how totally messed up the system is and are going to be badly affected by this, but I just can't bring myself to the point of actual outrage over it any more.

    How many people are going to just give up trying to be "good consumers" and switch over to piracy based on this? I would expect it will be far more people than will be dissuaded from participating in casual "copyright infringement" by trying to make backup copies of their media or god forbid just trying to watch a movie they bought on the wrong type of TV.

  19. Re:The Real Analog Hole by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why analog? At some point that content is being decrypted inside the screen. It should be possible to open the thing up and dump it and get a 1:1 digital un-encrypted copy. Sure, it's technically daunting but it only has to be done once per video.

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  20. Re:Summary contradicts itself... by Totenglocke · · Score: 4, Informative

    VHS to DVD was an obvious improvement in both quality and convenience. DVD to BR is meh at best.

    You obviously don't watch many movies. In some rare cases, if the DVD is done just right, yes, it's hard to tell the difference between Blu-ray and upconverted DVD. However, if you're talking standard definition DVD and Blu-ray, the difference is incredibly noticeable. Even upconverted DVD and Blu-ray normally has a pretty noticeable difference in quality.

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