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Microsoft, Amazon Ink Kindle and Linux Patent Deal

theodp writes "Microsoft says it has reached a wide-ranging IP agreement with Amazon in which each company has granted the other a license to its patent portfolio. Microsoft says the agreement covers technologies in products such as Amazon's Kindle — including open-source and proprietary technologies used in the e-reader — in addition to the use of Linux-based servers. Microsoft issued a news release celebrating the accord, while Amazon declined to comment. 'We are pleased to have entered into this patent license agreement with Amazon.com,' said Microsoft's deputy general counsel. 'Microsoft's patent portfolio is the largest and strongest in the software industry, and this agreement demonstrates our mutual respect for intellectual property as well as our ability to reach pragmatic solutions to IP issues regardless of whether proprietary or open source software is involved.' A Microsoft representative declined to say which of its products are covered by the deal."

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  1. Erm by ilovegeorgebush · · Score: 5, Funny

    A Microsoft representative declined to say which of its products are covered by the deal."

    Which is like doing the following:
    "Hey dude, I did something really cool!"
    "Oh yeah, what's that?"
    "Not telling! Tee hee!"

  2. Anti-trust anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If all copyright holders on software patents start to create bilateral agreements, it will eventually become clear that software patents are only an artificial entry barrier.

    1. Re:Anti-trust anyone? by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To be fair they really are.
      Without patents:

      1: I write some nice software and sell it.
      2a: I make a little money, not enough to quit my day job.
      2b: I don't make money, all I've lost is time.

      With patents:
      1: I try to research previous patents, they're almost unreadable..... I have no money to hire a patent lawyer(barrier to entry one)... so I can't be certain if my idea has already been patented.
      2a: I stop for fear of infringing on someones patent and being sued into the ground.(barrier to entry 2)
      2b: I keep going and write my app... it might be infringing but I don't think it is....
      3a: I make a little money.
      3b: I make no money.
      4: Someone sues me.
      5a: It is infringing- well they pull out records that yes I did view their patent in the course of my research in step 1 and obviously stole their idea. They get tripple damages I lose my house. (barrier to entry 3)
      5b: It is not infringing - so what. I don't have the money for a good lawyer, they win I lose my house.(barrier to entry 4)
      5c: It is not infringing - by some miracle I win.... I'm still left with a pile of legal bills and I lose my house.(barrier to entry 5)

      In theory the patent system could help me by letting me be just like the guys who sue in the above but I don't have the thousands of dollars it takes to get a patent through nor the time.

  3. Sounds one-sided to me by Akido37 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft issued a news release celebrating the accord, while Amazon declined to comment.

    Microsoft says the agreement covers technologies in products such as Amazon's Kindle

    A Microsoft representative declined to say which of its products are covered by the deal.

    It sounds like Amazon got caught violating one or more of Microsoft's patents, and this deal was arranged to avoid a lawsuit.

  4. "Largest and Strongest" overcompensating? by LaminatorX · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft's patent portfolio is the largest and strongest in the software industry...

    ..for certain definitions of "the software industry" which exclude the International Business Machines Corporation.

  5. Microsoft patent racketeering by walterbyrd · · Score: 5, Informative

    This patent stuff has got to be a gold mine for msft. IP extortion seems to be a brilliant business model.

    February 22, 2010
    Microsoft, Amazon strike patent deal covering Kindle and Linux

    As would be expected, the actual patents that were supposedly violated are not disclosed. For many years msft claimed that Linux violates msft patents, but msft absolutely refuses to disclose which patents.

    Microsoft says the deal grants Amazon patent-related "coverage" for its use of open-source and proprietary technologies in its Kindle e-reader, and its use of Linux-based computer servers.

    At the same time, the deal has the potential to stir new controversy in the tech industry, if it's interpreted as Amazon implicitly endorsing Microsoft's claims that Linux and other open-source technologies violate its patents.

    February 19, 2010
    Nathan Myhrvold's Intellectual Ventures Could be Biggest Racketeering Operation in the United States and Beyond

    Patent thug Nathan Myhrvold turns out to have over 1,000 patent proxies with which to potentially attack and extort those who do not pay "protection money"; he also spent over $1 million lobbying his government

    THE New York Times has published this report about Microsoft's patent troll Nathan Myhrvold, who is backed by his colleague Bill Gates, his former employer Microsoft, and even Apple. He already terrorises the industry using patents that it spent literally billions of dollars acquiring (not actually working to invent anything of substance).

    http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/19/nathan-myhrvold-exposed-again/

    And here is the NYT article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/technology/18patent.html

    I suppose using the US legal system for patent extortion is especially cost effective since msft uses offshore labor for the legal work.

    February 18, 2010
    Microsoft to outsource general legal work to India

    Software giant Microsoft will begin outsourcing general legal work to India after signing a deal with legal process outsourcing (LPO) company CPA Global. The news comes as CPA outlined plans to expand its Indian workforce from 600 to 1,000 by the end of 2011, and hinted at opening another outsourcing centre.

    http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/microsoft-outsource-general-legal-work-india

  6. Tell us the patents by dandart · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think MS should tell infringing parties which of its patents are being infringed, otherwise its patent claim should be invalidated due to insufficient proof.

  7. Microsoft's anti-Linux patent strategy by Concern · · Score: 5, Informative

    This suggests Microsoft's anti-Linux patent strategy is alive and well.

    For those just getting up to speed:

    Microsoft doesn't feel like competing fairly against open source products. So it attempts to use dubious legal trickery instead.

    This started with SCO - a failed Unix company that took Microsoft investment in exchange for executing a legal attack on Linux vendors and users (based on copyright and licensing issues). The claim: that Linux infringed on their intellectual property rights. Their conduct in the case was truly awful (making the claim but resisting an explanation about what infringed; trying to shake down any and every Linux owner). Latest status here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO-Linux_controversies

    This was only one aspect of the FUD campaign. Patents were another. Microsoft struck a patent deal with struggling Novel, and it feels very similar to what we see here. The implication: Novel agrees its use of Linux somehow infringed on Microsoft's patents, and that it (and by extension everyone else) must pay Microsoft to use Linux.

    The FSF's response explains the problem:

    http://www.fsf.org/news/microsoft_response

    The article describes other similar cases.

    Now we have Amazon making a deal. They have far fewer reasons on the surface, but I imagine we'll find out why at some point, and it probably has something to do with a much stronger, non-Linux-related, perhaps non-software patent that Microsoft holds and which they violate. In the process of being sued and settling, Microsoft enticed them to accept terms which included a similar "Linux-FUD" clause - allowing an announcement just like this.

    Although software patents are utterly and obviously ridiculous, and although most first world nations besides the US don't allow them, and although even the US is moving away from them (see Bilski)... even given that many large companies such as IBM have announced that they will defend Linux with their own patent portfolios... even after Microsoft has weathered an antitrust trial (and should feel themselves on thin ice when it comes to anticompetitive behavior)... they appear to still be pursuing a legal strategy of attacking Linux via barratry.

    In the deranged world of software patents, there is not exactly any such thing as sane legal reasoning. But as Microsoft convinces more companies to pay them for their use of Linux, then their patent claim gains a slimy veneer of legitimacy (or so they hope). Otherwise "why would so many people pay them?" This circular reasoning strengthens them in their eventual legal battles to come, as they attempt to hurt (or even end) the use of Linux.

    Of course, this is not just about Linux. Were Microsoft or any other company to succeed at this game, they would effectively make open source software impossible.

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  8. info on http://en.swpat.org by H4x0r+Jim+Duggan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's some background info on these deals:

    I don't time right now to look into this deal, so if someone could add info to en.swpat.org about it, that would be great. Otherwise I'll do it later.