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Banks Accept Dubai Assassins' Stolen IDs

schliz writes "Public scrutiny did more harm than good last week, after Australian police and the media released details of three stolen passports allegedly used in the assasination of a senior Hamas member in Dubai. As if having their identities stolen for an assassination wasn't enough, it turns out the victims' passports had not been cancelled by the government, so the details that were published by the media in fact could be used to open fraudulent bank accounts."

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  1. I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems like every government in the world has something equal to our Social Security Number being used for national identification... and no way to scrub your permanent record of what they want to record about you, or even an easy way toget your record cleaned if somebody should take your identity and uses it. Lifelock is basically selling insurance that if your ID is stolen, they'll do the legwork up to $1 Million in filing paperwork and making calls on your behalf to get things back to normal.

    Israel basically doesn't care about what they've done to these people because for them their war against Hamas justifies anything... they've been doing War on Terror since day one of their existence. The least these people should be able to expect is that their government would cancel their stolen passports... but apparently that's too much to ask.

    1. Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? by Cougar_ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Their passports have not been stolen, they still have the originals in their possession. The passports used for the assassination were counterfeits.

    2. Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's "stolen" in the RIAA definition... illegal copying must be stopped!

    3. Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? by deniable · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's why the GP said ID in the first paragraph. They were counterfeit, but used valid data, hence they're as good as stolen. Oh wait, are you using a subtle piracy isn't theft argument?

    4. Re:I've lost my idenity, can I have a new one? by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It seems like every government in the world has something equal to our Social Security Number being used for national identification..

      The problem is not the issuance of a government ID, the problem is that businesses are allowed to ask for it and use it as a form of ID.

      I don't recall telling banks in the UK any government-issued ID numbers, but I haven't opened a bank account there recently.

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  2. It's this kind thing.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That makes me think that Hamas and Isreal deserve each other.

    1. Re:It's this kind thing.. by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 3, Informative
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    2. Re:It's this kind thing.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Assissinations on foreign soil, using an identity of a citizen of a yet another country (possibly ruining their lives in the process) is something to be cheered?

      I think not. That is not to say I'm somehow sad for his passing, just for this rampant lawlessness.

    3. Re:It's this kind thing.. by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, .... aw heck, I got karma to burn. I'm pretty sure not too many would care about their struggle, just wake us when one of you remains and have at it. What bothers most of the world is just that they can't keep to themselves and pull us into their struggle. It's a bit like two kids fighting in the sand pit under your window. Would you care if they didn't scream louder than you can turn your TV set?

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    4. Re:It's this kind thing.. by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Informative

      OK, let's see: the Dubai police has, so far, incriminated 26 suspects which have fled the country, two of them to Iran. The only individuals actually captured by the Dubai police are 3 Palestinians. (That would make the number of operatives equal to 29). Additionally, the police actually found succinylcholine (a muscle relaxant) in Mabhouh's blood (so he wouldn't fight back when, allegedly, smothered with a pillow). Some of the passports used by the alleged operatives belong to Israeli citizens (7 of them, IIRC).

      You don't see any problem with these?

      First of all, 29 operatives - that's a recipe for disaster; the more people involved, the higher the likelihood for an error. Mossad has used two to four people in the past, even for much higher profile targets (we know this from the few botched missions). As for how much does adding people to the operation increase the likelihood for error, it's given by the formula 1 - (1 - q)^n, where q is the likelihood that one agent will screw up, and n is the number of participating agents.
      Secondly, no Israeli agent would flee to Iran - because it's a paranoidly tightly controlled police state.
      Thirdly, Mossad would never use identities stolen from Israeli citizens, as that would endanger the lives of said citizens (and protecting lives of Israeli citizens is one of Mossad's raison d'etre), AND it would point a giant flashing sign at Israel. Mossad doesn't need to use Israeli citizen's identities.
      Fourthly, Mossad does not leave traces behind them. Their targets have historically been either shot or their death defied forensics.
      Fifthly, the only captured people are Palestinians. This would point at the involvement of Fatah rather than Israel.

      The whole operation, while successful, seems mired in sloppiness (having such a large group of people involved, all of them identified - WTF? And leaving evidence at the scene etc. etc.), which should be enough to discredit the claim that Mossad was in involved.

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    5. Re:It's this kind thing.. by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ... Mossad has used two to four people in the past, even for much higher profile targets (we know this from the few botched missions) ... which should be enough to discredit the claim that Mossad was in involved ....

      You've confused propaganda about Mossad activities spread by Israel and US-dwelling Israeli citizens (many of them in positions of great power in US media and entertainment industries) which was until not so long ago the "dominant" view in the absence of the Internet and ubiquitous digital cameras, with reality.

      The truth is that Mossad (and most other intelligence agencies) was always this sloppy, but they operated in a very forgiving environment, where all the successes could be safely exaggerated and all the screw-ups completely swept under the carpet.

      The Dubai situation is simply what happens when the terrain on which Mossad had chosen to operate differs significantly from a typical impoverished, inept, technologically in the dark-ages back-water where they usually do their dirty deeds.

      And it is a sign of things to come. Mossad is being put on notice: your usual shit will not fly anymore and no amount of selective propaganda will compensate for the realities of the digital age and Orwellian police-state mass digital surveillance that is becoming the norm in the Gulf states.

  3. Obscure the details. by deniable · · Score: 3, Informative

    I thought that the details had been obscured by the government when it made the release. It appears that the ABC and Seven blurred the important numbers. Others broadcast the details without editing. I thought we had enough of these on Media Watch last year to teach them a lesson.

    1. Re:Obscure the details. by jamesswift · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Blurring often isn't enough to remove the information.

      http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/how_to_recover.html

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  4. Recent Events by hduff · · Score: 5, Funny

    Recent IT events have suggested that the Australian government is below par as far as their critical thinking skills go, so this is a surprise?

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  5. Re:Not Israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please, stop trying to distort the situation.

    Hamas has its own particular ideology and I want to make it clear I don't support their methods.

    But to say that their basis for attacking Israel is merely its existence is a distortion. There is legitimate beef on the part of the Palestinians against Israel for the loss of land and livelihood under the Israeli occupation. You and I can sit here and debate whether or not their actions are appropriate or understandable, but it boils down to an entire population of people who live under the rule of a foreign occupier and it is quite clear that the occupation has not had a positive impact on them.

    We talk righteously about Jews who were forced into ghettos and then violently rebelled against their oppressors but then on the other hand when it involves Arabs against Jewish occupiers, its all of the sudden an immoral thing to resist that oppression.

  6. Enough by daveime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Getting tired of kdawsons scaremongering bullshit.

    Can we have it corrected please, the headline reads like it has already happened ?

    "Banks Could Conceivably Accept Dubai Assassins' Stolen IDs"

    (And then only if they'd been living under a rock).

  7. Re:Not Israel by MikShapi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then why does the Hammas have Israel's entire land on its flag? Why does it continuously call for Israel's full destruction?

    You have a valid point, there is a very justified side to the Palestinian struggle for independence. Only problem is that organizations like the Hammas deliberately blur the line between the bits that are justified, and the bits that are hate-mongering, impossible loony ideas (entirely displace a 7-million modern nation with access to money, all the technology it needs a big army? yeh, right) that are entirely outside any acceptable modern ethics/morals profile.

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