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Microsoft VP Suggests 'Net Tax To Clean Computers

Ian Lamont writes "Microsoft's Vice President for Trustworthy Computing, Scott Charney, speaking at the RSA conference in San Francisco, has floated an interesting proposal to deal with infected computers: Approach the problem of dealing with malware infections like the healthcare industry, and consider using 'general taxation' to pay for inspection and quarantine. Using taxes to deal with online criminal activity is not a new idea, as demonstrated by last year's Louisiana House vote to levy a monthly surcharge on Internet access to deal with online baddies."

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  1. Taxes are already paid. by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Taxes are already being paid on online transactions and a cut of every bill from your ISP.

    The government can't handle the internet due to incompetence, not lack of money,

    1. Re:Taxes are already paid. by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, id rather the government stay out of my business.. If you demand they 'fix the problem', then they will be in your face every second you are online and you wont like the result.

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  2. I totally agree by pilgrim23 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Considering 99% of all infected machines out there in userland are running some Microsoft product; Microsoft SHOULD be taxed for each and every one of them, It is fortunate we have such an industry leader as Microsoft, fessing up to their own damn foolishness and offering to make good.

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    1. Re:I totally agree by Entropius · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Windows Update, by default, installs random DRM bullshit, Windows Media bullshit, WGA bullshit, and lots of other things that are not security patches. That motivates a lot of people to turn it off.

  3. In other words, by overshoot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Get the rest of us to underwrite cleaning up after Microsoft's sloppy software.

    It's not so much the principle of the thing as it is writing into law Microsoft's PR message that bugs in their software are "Computer Problems" or "Internet Problems."

    On the other hand, if the charges were discounted for running non-MS systems, I might change my mind.

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  4. Like all new government programs by operagost · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Start a new program
    2. Institute a new tax
    3. Collect the tax, but don't put it in a lockbox.
    4. Taxes are thrown into the general fund, where they're used to buy favors from senators and congressmen.
    5. Program has no funding, is cut back and made useless except for an overpaid bureaucracy that does nothing.
    6. When fiscal conservatives propose scrapping the program, they are instead blamed for the shortfall and taxes are raised to "fix" it.
    7. Repeat from step 3.

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  5. Re:I'm paying for WHAT? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone benefits from an internet largely free of infected machines. Just as everyone benefits from an educated and healthy society.

  6. why not a fine instead by NiteShaed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is it if you drive a car that's unsafe to operate and something happens, nobody thinks twice about the fact that it's the owner's responsibility and when they are hit with a fine everyone just nods, but if it's a computer that's in poor condition (ie: infected), it's an issue that the community must bear to clean up. I realize that not everyone is technically adept and able maintain their machines adequately themselves, but I don't want to pay for them. They can hire someone to maintain their machines for them, much like most people do for their cars now, and perhaps the fine could be waved or reduced if they prove that they were current on their maintenance and somehow still got hit. Hell, it'd be a potentially decent revenue stream for repair-shops and even ISPs that want to offer some kind of maintenance package.

    Of course, the problem here is that people don't feel they should pay for anything to do with a computer other than the price-tag they see when they go to BestBuy. They'll scream blue-murder if they're told that they actually have a responsibility, both financially and in how they operate their machine. Most people want to treat a computer the way they do their microwave oven, buy it, and if it breaks, replace it, but never, ever have to spend any time or money on maintenance.

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  7. Re:Free anti-virus with Internet service purchase! by Lendrick · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can't be bothered?

    Have you *used* anti-virus software lately? It takes over your computer and bogs everything down by scanning at irritating times, like every file access.

    I don't use anti-virus software, except for the occasional one-off malware scan. I don't get viruses because I don't do stupid shit.

    * I don't trust free downloads unless they're open source, or a google on "$SOFTWARE spyware" comes up clean.
    * I don't browse porn (or anything else) on internet explorer.
    * I don't browse porn with adblock turned off.
    * I don't download stupid free desktop frills, like smileys and crap.
    * I don't open obvious spam, even if it appears to be from my friends.
    * When a webpage informs me that it has SCANNED MY COMPUTER and VIRUS DETECTED, I remember that I did not, in fact, install a virus scanner, and that the message is fake, and I do not have to install their special software to fix it. Instead, I close the web page.
    * When doing p2p file-sharing, I use clients that are well known and spyware free.
    * I don't put audio CDs into my machine when I'm running Windows, because they might install rootkits.
    * I always click the "advanced" button when I install software, because that's where they hide the fact that they're installing a bunch of extra shit I don't want.
    * Under no circumstances do I *ever* install Norton, which in my experience is far worse for performance than any virus.

  8. So long as I get a tax credit by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I support it if I get a tax credit for not having any windows machines.

  9. Re:Free anti-virus with Internet service purchase! by haruchai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    M$ are the last people who should be calling for a tax since it's their broken shit that caused decades of headaches.
    Yes they've gotten better but that doesn't wipe out all the crap we'd had to live with all these years.

      However, I think the real issue for a lot of users who aren't savvy is that they might be fed up of the bloatware
    crap like Symantec / Norton / McAfee which (used to?) suck so much in terms of CPU usage and disk activity.

    Better, cheaper alternatives have been around for years - AntiVir, AVG, Kaspersky, for example.
    And I must say that Microsoft Security Essentials isn't half bad.

    Instead of their stupid EULA, perhaps M$ should put up a warning during install or first run that a security product
    is required and used the lack of one as an automatic shutdown after 2 weeks instead of their activation.

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  10. How about we tax MS instead? by Dracos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The company who is nearly single handedly the reason why there is an anti-virus industry wants a tax to pay for malware removal? F#$% off.

    We should fine MS $1000 for every infection on systems running their software. IE and Outlook exploits could probably pay off the US national debt in 10 years.

  11. Re:Free anti-virus with Internet service purchase! by tukang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do you view pdf files or flash content?

  12. Re:Free anti-virus with Internet service purchase! by init100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    M$ are the last people who should be calling for a tax

    I suggest a special cleanup tax on Microsoft software.