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A Second Lessig Fair-Use Video Is Suppressed By WMG

Bios_Hakr points out an ironic use of the DMCA: for the second time, a video tutorial on fair use that Larry Lessig uploaded to YouTube has been muzzled. This time the sound has been pulled from the video; last time the video was taken off of YouTube. (Video and sound for the new "webside chat" can be experienced together on BlipTV.) Both times, Warner Music Group was the party holding copyright on a song that Lessig used in an unarguably fair-use manner. TechDirt is careful not to assume that an actual DMCA takedown notice was issued, on the likelihood that Google's automatic copyright-violation detectors did the deed. "The unintended consequences of asking tool providers [e.g., Google] to judge what is and what is not copyright infringement lead to tremendous problems with companies shooting first and asking questions later. They are silencing speech, on the threat that it might infringe on copyright. This is backwards. We live in a country that is supposed to cherish free speech, not stifle it in case it harms the business model of a company. We live in a country that is supposed to encourage the free expression of ideas — not lock it up and take it down because one company doesn't know how to adapt its business model. We should never be silencing videos because they might infringe on copyright."

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  1. Freedom of speech .. by johnlcallaway · · Score: 2, Insightful

    .. does not give you the right to use someone's property to express it. There are no protections in the Constitution that says a newspaper can't create rules for printing editorials, or YouTube can't determe what can and can't be displayed.

    Don't like it .. start your own newspaper or video service. Or use Vimeo. I've stopped using YouTube for all my videos because of their copyright take down actions.

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    1. Re:Freedom of speech .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Freedom of speech ... .. does not give you the right to use someone's property to express it."

      Yes, you are right. It is copyright law that gives the right, in the circumstance that the use qualifies as "fair use".

    2. Re:Freedom of speech .. by Annymouse+Cowherd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. Google is still allowed to take down any videos they want on YouTube, regardless of their status as fair use.

    3. Re:Freedom of speech .. by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That doesn't mean that they can tell you its illegal and remove it.

      Its like this, I own a billboard company, I can choose which advertisers can and can't advertise on there. However, it becomes a bit tricky if I say "I can't print this, this is illegal" when its not. Of course Google can do whatever they want to, the problem is, they are saying something is illegal when its not.

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    4. Re:Freedom of speech .. by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is, they do this because of copyright law, not because they want to.

    5. Re:Freedom of speech .. by Barny · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, their automated system is saying "this might be illegal", the user does have the right to challenge it, I have and won before (in one, google claimed a nine inch nails song was copyright, and yes the version released by the record company was, I used the version from remix.nin.com, which is creative commons licensed).

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    6. Re:Freedom of speech .. by Annymouse+Cowherd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but Google can avoid the hassle of evaluating on its own whether each video is fair use by just removing the videos WMG claims violate copyright without a double-check.

    7. Re:Freedom of speech .. by twidarkling · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Irrelevant. Talking about freedom of speech as it relates to private companies is taking the argument in the completely wrong direction. The guy basically crippled himself by bringing up freedom of speech.

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    8. Re:Freedom of speech .. by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The whole DMCA thing really needs to be revisited. The penalties for false declarations aren't cutting it. It's pretty bad when someone can cause you grief by filing a false DMCA notice on material they don't even own the copyright to to try to stifle discussion! It's the new version of a SLAPP suit - far cheaper, since it only takes an email, and lots of people cave in immediately because it's not worth the hassle, or because they don't want their hosting provider to decide that their business just isn't worth it, even though they've done nothing wrong.

    9. Re:Freedom of speech .. by emarkp · · Score: 2

      No, the founding documents of the USA state that all rights come from the creator. "Copyright" is a law (well, set of laws) created by our society to temporarily (hah!) grant exclusive permission to one entity to copy something. However, that permission is not universal -- fair use and archives are examples of where copyright does not apply.

    10. Re:Freedom of speech .. by bmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >.. does not give you the right to use someone's property to express it.

      Yes it does. It's called the fair use doctrine. Without which there would probably be no academic papers at all. There would be no movie or book reviews. There would be no informed criticism at all. There would be no parody.

      Bad troll. No cookie.

      People who modded you up are tools.

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    11. Re:Freedom of speech .. by EdIII · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That doesn't mean that they can tell you its illegal and remove it.

      Not so sure about that. It's a free service, they can certainly remove the video. It's their servers. I am not playing Devil's advocate here or anything, but a lot of these protestations about Free Speech are concerning activities that are happening on private property . I have a problem with telling YouTube that it must host content, any content, regardless if I agree with it or not.

      What I do have a problem with is when the DMCA is abused. If WMG used the DMCA to attempt to force YouTube into taking down the video, that is a different matter entirely and one that falls into oppression and suppression of Free Speech. It's not just YouTube either that is harassed in this fashion. Plenty of web site owners, hosting providers, ISPs, get this bullshit all the time in an effort to suppress Free Speech, transparency in government, unpopular speech, etc.

      We don't know if this was YouTube's decision (within their rights) or simply a reaction to DMCA take down requests by WMG (They decided to cave in to the demands more easily than we would like).

      I fail to see how YouTube is not within it's rights to do any of this.

      they are saying something is illegal when its not

      AFAIK, they are not doing that at all. That's what confuses me so much about this. I get notices all the time:

      Dear XXXXXXXXXX,

      Your video, XXXXX, may have content that is owned or licensed by XXXXXXX Group.

      No action is required on your part; however, if you are interested in learning how this affects your video, please visit the Content ID Matches section of your account for more information.

      Sincerely,
      - The YouTube Team

      They never actually stated it was illegal. Only that there was a possibility it was. I was not told I had to do anything either.

      I have received hundreds of these notices as well, and to date, I have not had any videos removed at all. This probably is *not* the automated fingerprinting at YouTube doing this. I would bet it is a reaction to a take down notice.

      Even if they did state it was illegal, when it was not, how is that 'illegal'? I assume that is what you mean when you say, 'they can't'? Or did you mean to say, 'they shouldn't'?

      People and businesses have a right to be stupid and say stupid things. Not libelous or slanderous things, but they have a right to say wrong and stupid things. We can also take our business elsewhere too.

      In the end, I would not give so much grief to YouTube about this. They are just trying to survive in a corrupt in inequitable environment. What I would do is write a letter to WMG telling them that you have decided to not give them any business at all, and stick to your guns .

    12. Re:Freedom of speech .. by EdIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You misunderstood him I think. He did not mean property, as in Intellectual Property, but rather property being the newspaper itself.

      If am I correct about what he meant, then he is correct. Free Speech does not give you a right to publish in my magazine, or walk into my living room, to deliver your manifesto.

      Other than that, you are correct. Fair Use is not well understood and the impression that we (the people) don't have the right to use Intellectual Property to in the ways you mention needs to be fought tooth and nail. Fair Use is not a real threat to the copyright owner, or artists. It never was.

      Fair Use, IMHO, is the most deadly threat there is to 'replacement' sales. Big Media does not want you to make back up copies of what you have, because they want to force you to repurchase it for no good reason at all.

      It's also beyond ridiculous to think that a home video with somebody's children featuring some background music is a threat to Big Media at all either.

      Copyright needs some serious damn reforms. I thought the idea was to give artists and copyright owners in general and advantage for a short period of time to make a reasonable profit off their efforts and then it would become the 'property' of the people. Which is not really accurate either. The copyright's owner would simply lose the legal entitlements that we (the people) granted to him/her and then nobody would be able to make any legal claims against it whatsoever.

      That's not what copyright is anymore. It's a permanent assignment of legal entitlements (we keep extending and modifying copyrights in that direction.. Disney..) that are being used to justify a horrific erosion of our rights, privacy, and freedoms and an unconscionable oppression of innovation and expression by the people it was supposed to serve in the first place... THE PEOPLE, as in WE THE PEOPLE.

    13. Re:Freedom of speech .. by jdcope · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wow, look at all the fascists who came out to play. You guys fucking creep me out.

      It helps if you actually read the Constitution. It only keeps the government from interfering with free speech of the citizenry. You can yell, write it on paper, whatever. But as soon as you use a private media outlet to stand on your soapbox, you are at the mercy of said media outlet. If the media outlet was owned by the govnernment, that would be a different story. Although, lately it is hard to tell the government from the corporate media.

    14. Re:Freedom of speech .. by Sloppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not irrelevant. If it wasn't for the threat of government force being used against Google, they wouldn't be taking down (hardly) any videos.

      Congress is involved in this. Congress did things which caused this to happen, and Congress making some pretty common-sense changes to the DMCA's notice/counternotice procedures for handling liability issues, would make it stop happening. All they have to do is put a price/deterrent on sending fraudulent DMCA notices, and this chill on speech that they created and is manifested on private servers, would be lifted.

      It's a free speech issue.

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    15. Re:Freedom of speech .. by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've had two auto-matches (Cryptomnesia: Animal Crossing and Cryptomnesia: Vertigo) and one OCILLA takedown (THIS FAN GAME VIDEO WILL BE FLAGGED) against me on YouTube. Disputing the auto-matches was as easy as checking the "this use does not require the copyright owner's permission" and writing a 140-character fair use rationale in the reason box. If you've ever written a rationale for Wikipedia, it should be a doddle. The OCILLA takedown was more difficult to dispute; I had to install PGP support into my e-mail client, reveal my mailing address, and affirm my fair use rationale under penalty of perjury.

    16. Re:Freedom of speech .. by Kalriath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wait, what? The corporations are formed of people. These people have the same right to freedom of speech as you do, and in their house they have the right to say "my house, my rules. Don't like it, leave". Freedom of Association I think it's called.

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    17. Re:Freedom of speech .. by jdcope · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Absolutely. You can use my bullhorn for your speech, but if you say anything I dont like, or may get me in trouble, I get to take my bullhorn away. There is no guarantee to free speech. There is only a guarantee that the government cant punish you for saying it.

    18. Re:Freedom of speech .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Private media is controlled by government laws, which are created by private media that "lobby" said laws onto the books. The existence of the government has become no more than a facade to give the illusion of choice to the public; a phony father figure that people believe will protect them in their time of need. Free speech and fair use laws have become shadows of their former selves, rendered impotent by the infection of corporate money in our festering, corrupt government.

      You can't look to the laws to determine what's right or what's wrong. People have to stop brushing off abuses just because they fall under the category of "legal", instead of looking at them for what they are and what they mean to our future. We have to fight for what's right instead of accepting a status quo which is ever-tilting in Big Money's favour each time we turn a blind eye to issues like this.

      One day people will wake up with no rights, no property, and no hope.

    19. Re:Freedom of speech .. by somanyrobots · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's ContentID. They do have humans who go through and review (they absolutely refuse to say how many), but ContentID does 90% of it these days. I spoke with one of the developers working on the system last fall, and they essentially consider it to be the Holy Grail of not having to waste time on DMCA notices. What's most likely is that in your case, the owner of the content hasn't asked YouTube to do anything about it, so they're merely flagging it, informing you, and not taking anything down. Compare to the big labels, which have YouTube take down flagged videos or, in some cases, give the labels a cut of the advertising revenue alongside them.

  2. Free Speech by Kraagenskul · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't guaranteed by companies.

    1. Re:Free Speech by twidarkling · · Score: 5, Informative

      Thank you. Free speech isn't for allowing you to say whatever you want in a video that's being hosted by someone else. YouTube has every right to take down the video for absolutely no reason other than they don't like his face, if they so desire. Free speech means that the government is the one that simply cannot go to YouTube and tell them to take down the video without certain circumstances. Is it right that corporations have more ability to muzzle people than the government? I don't know. My opinion is that neither should be able to, barring defamation of character or other malicious speech.

      However, that's currently beyond the scope of free speech as commonly enshrined in the laws of countries. It only applies to governmental abilities.

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    2. Re:Free Speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have this very wrong. YouTube is not a soapbox on the corner from which you can freely speak. They own their servers. just like you may own your house. If someone at your house is saying things you don't like you can make them leave. You have not in any way violated their free speech - you simply had them take it elsewhere. Google is under no compunction or force of law to host any particular content.

    3. Re:Free Speech by LordLucless · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Free speech is a right that can't be abridged by anyone. YouTube deleting videos from their own server, however, does not violate free speech. Nor does being asked to leave a store when you're distributing pamphlets, or me kicking you out of my house if you bust in raving about TimeCube. The only way your freedom of speech can be abridged is by preventing you from speaking at all.

      The only entity that has the power to do this is the government (through jail, or injunction), so while free speech technically applies to all, the only ones that actually have the capacity to abuse it are the government, so, in practice they're the only ones it applies to.

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    4. Re:Free Speech by element-o.p. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I got it wrong, I thought that Free Speech was a right that could not be abridged by anyone, not even a Corporation.

      Yep, you got it wrong.

      The Bill of Rights* says absolutely nothing about what individuals or corporations can do. It limits what the Government can do through the laws it passes. So, no, sorry to burst your bubble, but Free Speech is not a right that "could not be abridged by anyone, not even a Corporation." "Free Speech" is a guarantee that the Government shall not pass any laws that prohibit speech. It does not guarantee you a corporate-built, corporate-owned, corporate-maintained forum to say whatever you like, whether or not the corporation that runs the forum likes it or not.

      Now there is a contract involved with YouTube the EULA and thats what give them the right to abridge your freedom of speech, They don't have the right, outright to do anything they want to muzzle speech. They have a prior legal agreement with the poster on You Tube.

      Ummm...yeah. You just contradicted yourself there, dude. If, as you claim, Free Speech is a right that cannot be abridged by anyone, then a contract abridging your Free Speech would be null and void, since such a contract would, in that case, be prohibited by the First Amendment ("No one, not even a corporation can abridge it", remember?). However, since that is most definitely not what the First Amendment says, then such a contract is valid, and YouTube can pull any video it wants, with or without reason, and there's squat you can do about it except complain and try to raise enough groundswell of public opinion that YouTube relents.

      Just be clear about your rights.

      Now that I agree with.

      *Disclaimer: I live in the U.S. and I have no idea where you live. Therefore, my arguments above may or may not apply in your jurisdiction. Furthermore, I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. Use your own judgment.

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  3. Free Speech is dead (just like your privacy) by tekrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The contents of this post have been removed because they *might* harm some company's profit margin, and we know that in the USA, corporations are WAAAAY more important than people.

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  4. Counternotice by Spazmania · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lessig is now required to fill out a counternotice challenging the takedown [...] The system is broken.

    Seems to me the system is broken *IF* the video isn't restored and doesn't remain that way following the counternotice.

    Seems to me the system is also broken if there actually was a DMCA notice from Warner and they fail to pay Lessig damages too.

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  5. Any alternatives that stick to their guns? by selven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are there any Youtube alternatives that don't take content down so easily? With HTML5 and the video tag I imagine it would be a lot easier now to create something like that.

    Internet decentralization is good, and we need to take advantage of it and not put everything on Google's servers (and not put everything on Microsoft's servers, and not put everything on (insert freedom-loving startup based in Sealand here)'s servers) so that internet freedom doesn't rest on a single pedestal. Single pedestals can be brought down, but a million can't.

    1. Re:Any alternatives that stick to their guns? by twidarkling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Single pedestals can be brought down, but a million can't.

      Well, that's a good sentiment, but unfortunately, that's incorrect. Especially as goes with the Internet. Here's your easy two-step guide to shutting down unapproved videos from being streamed over the Internet:

      1. Mandate deep packet inspection, block all video not coming from approved servers.
      2. Any data that's encrypted is automatically dropped by ISP routers.

      Congratulations, you've now effectively shut down unauthorized video sharing on the Internet. Sure, you can get around it by directly connecting to computers via phone lines, or some such, or convert the file to non-video, and then send it, and have the recipient convert it back to video, but you're going to have a bitch of a time with any kind of meaningful distribution.

      The Internet is a tool, can be used for good or ill, like any other, but it's much easier to censor and control than most if there's co-operation at the correct levels.

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    2. Re:Any alternatives that stick to their guns? by EdIII · · Score: 4, Interesting

      1. Mandate deep packet inspection, block all video not coming from approved servers.
      2. Any data that's encrypted is automatically dropped by ISP routers.

      1. - Most of the time that stuff is prohibitively expensive at a large scale, not all that effective, and easily bypassed with TOR, FreeNet, Darknet, and just plain regular encryption and password protected compressed files.

      2. - I think you meant any data that's encrypted *without* the appropriate key escrow IDs that allow the encryption to be verified as authorized. Commerce would disappear overnight if you truly eliminated encryption and I doubt that is what you meant.

      The day encryption is outlawed, is the day that the Revolution will begin. It's the canary in the coal mine for me and at that point I will diligently attempt to start the Revolution myself involving whatever means may be necessary to bring down the current government and restore the ideals and principles that used to be the foundation of this country.

      On this point, I do not jest in any way, shape, or form. On that day, the Revolution will begin and the blood will flow... and it must do so. Otherwise, we all sat by while the People lost their country which used to stand for Freedom.

      Of course we are not there yet are we????? No, I sincerely doubt the U.S government will ever outlaw encryption or enact a key escrow system in my lifetime. Way, way, WAY too many people like me with guns out there and they know it.

  6. The hint is in the summary. by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We live in a country that is supposed to cherish free speech, not stifle it in case it harms the business model of a company. We live in a country that is supposed to encourage the free expression of ideas — not lock it up and take it down because one company doesn't know how to adapt its business model. We should never be silencing videos because they might infringe on copyright."

    I think it's quite obvious what's going on. The new sacred cows of America are not free speech, individual pursuit of happiness and safety from tyranny, but corporate profits and dictating morals to others.

    Sad, really. Well, there's still hope that maybe the US won't make Churchill into a liar when he said that America always does the right thing - after it tried everything else. But it's not looking good.

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    1. Re:The hint is in the summary. by siloko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it's quite obvious what's going on. The new sacred cows of America are not free speech, individual pursuit of happiness and safety from tyranny, but corporate profits and dictating morals to others.

      well you'd be right if you omitted the 'new'. The free speech hyperbole was just there to fool the masses, seems to me it worked a bit too well because we all think we used to have it . . .

    2. Re:The hint is in the summary. by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it's quite obvious what's going on. The new sacred cows of America are not free speech, individual pursuit of happiness and safety from tyranny, but corporate profits and dictating morals to others.

      New sacred cows?

      Where were you 100 years ago (+/- 30 years) when monopolies were running rampant, the prohibitionists were girding themselves for a Constitutional Amendment, and saying "God Damn" in public was considered a jailable offense under indecency/obscenity/profanity laws?

      I'm not necessarily arguing for or against your point, just showing how amazingly without context it is.

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    3. Re:The hint is in the summary. by nsayer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Additionally, 100 years ago, the exact same situation we have today was being played out vis-a-vis recorded music. Only back then, it was piano rolls instead of MP3 files. Playing the part of the big music companies today, were the big sheet music publisher of years ago.

      Same arguments, almost word for word.

  7. Free Speech != Right of ... by Korbeau · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... free broadcast (hosting, distribution)

    ... having people being forced to listen to your rant

    ... having people not disagreeing with you, or actively trying to mute you

    Don't say that Google supressing videos like they want is a matter of free speech.

    1. Re:Free Speech != Right of ... by retchdog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is when the reason for the suppression is a law. That is, they (ostensibly) don't really "want" to do it otherwise. If you can't grok that even a little bit, then shut up and let the citizens talk.

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    2. Re:Free Speech != Right of ... by element-o.p. · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, that's just an abuse of the law, which I thought was supposed to be punishable under the DMCA. Don't see that happen very often, though, which is truly a shame.

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    3. Re:Free Speech != Right of ... by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since you brought the law into this, I feel the need to correct you. Not sure what you meant by "the reason for the suppression is a law." The origin of freedom of speech was a time where saying something unpopular could get you thrown in prison or executed. There is no law requiring suppression of the type of content in question. It's not like someone is trying to suppress the spread of information in this case. Most likely it's an automated tool which analyzes audio tracks for familiar fingerprints, then sends a takedown notice.

      Thankfully, the actual video is available elsewhere, where you can both hear and see it.

      That's all you really need to know. Speech is not being restricted, and it's not due to a law.

      Now, either it's a full DMCA notice or it's not, we don't know yet. The law makes it easy to issue a DMCA takedown request, but it allows for a counter-notice which reinstates the information. I hate the DMCA, but this aspect is fair. In this case, the reason for suppression is an unchecked tool. Either a tool which is a program or a person who is a tool, doesn't matter. Someone didn't double-check before requesting the audio be muted. This would be a clear-cut case of abuse of process by Warner. If it was a legit DMCA notice, Google did what it had to do according to the law. And that might be what you're referring to. But the same law allows for a counter-notice which restores the content, invalidating your claim.

      If it's not a full DMCA notice, then the hosting company outs itself as pro-corporate, anti-user. The law has nothing to do with this case, the hosting company just likes annoying its users and pleasing business. You could argue that Google is deciding to be overly cautious due to the law, but that's not valid either. It's Google's decision whether to pull content without a full DMCA notice. The only argument you could make here is the same one that people make all of the time - it costs a hell of a lot of money to defend yourself if someone brings a lawsuit, even if every fact is clearly in your favor. You have to take time and money to fending off the suit. That's a universal problem with the legal system, and has nothing to do with a particular law.

      As GP said, free speech is a somewhat tenuous claim when you're talking about a company that spends money hosting your content and serving it to unlimited numbers of people. Even if a video host takes down every video with any reference to a pickle, because the founder hates pickles, you can't claim your free speech is being violated ad you should be able to discuss pickles. The website makes its own rules, and the one with the least idiotic rules will generally win the most users.

      The logical conclusion is either Google will keep pulling content, annoying its users and forcing a competitor to step in with a "no videos pulled without a fully valid DMCA 512 notice" policy, or it will get tired of going back and forth and require fully valid notices. You are still allowed to host it elsewhere, lots of places host videos, or you can pay to host it.

  8. The problem with fair use by howlatthemoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The summary says, "...used in an unarguably fair-use manner," but the problem is that there are no definitions of fair use that can't be argued. There are guidelines, but the only way to determine that a use is fair is to argue it in a court and prevail. Sure there may be uses that are so clear cut that a reasonable person would agree that the use is fair, and prior case law helps guide decisions, but try asking a lawyer to confirm your use to be fair use, and you'll rarely get a clear answer.

    I'm not saying this is not a case of fair use, but in having a system where the one way to be certain is to go to trial is going to lead to conservative behavior in users of content.

  9. Can we say.... by Erinnys+Tisiphone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Streisand Effect? Now, off to find a copy of that video...

  10. Subcontracting enforcement by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Many of you are talking about free speech having to do with the government, not the corporations. This is completely correct, if you are naive.

    It's called subcontracting. Let's assume that the government does not want people to do X. But it knows it can't legally outlaw it. For example, to listen to a political commenter they dislike (say Glenn Beck or John Stewart, depending on who's president.)

    So instead they subcontract out the work to corporations. So they give people the right to sue a corporation for huge amounts of money if they insult gays, liberals, etc. / conservatives, religions, etc. (depending on Beck or Stewart)

    Indirect enforcement is still enforcement. And that is what this is. This is a corporation doing some that the government wants, in order to avoid fines for failing to do it.

    It doesn't matter that government is doing this indirectly. The corporation are removing content out of fear of lawsuits. They are NOT doing it for their personal profit/political views/etc. etc. This makes their actions proxy for the government. Free Speech rules apply.

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    1. Re:Subcontracting enforcement by gurps_npc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your opinion on legality is wrong. this is still a free speech issue. It's called "chilling effect", also called the "libel chill" The courts have ruled that laws that have a chilling effect do impinge on free speech, and as such laws that allow people to sue someone count as a chilling effect. Similarly, Lessig could sue the US government, claiming that their laws, guidelines and practices are a chilling effect that affect free speech.

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  11. First Amendment by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mandate deep packet inspection, block all video not coming from approved servers.

    Then only the operators of "approved servers" have the privilege to speak. I don't know about Canada, but here in the United States, I don't see the federal government getting away with abridging freedom of speech or of the press in this way.

  12. Lenz v. Universal by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    And so far they've never been found guilty of it because they've been able to stretch the meaning of "in good faith".

    They haven't been found guilty of perjury yet. In Lenz v. Universal, on August 20, 2008, Judge Jeremy Fogel held that sending a takedown notice under OCILLA without giving the first thought to whether the use of a work is a fair use is misrepresentation:

    An allegation that a copyright owner acted in bad faith by issuing a takedown notice without proper consideration of the fair use doctrine thus is sufficient to state a misrepresentation claim pursuant to Section 512(f) of the DMCA. [...] The DMCA already requires copyright owners to make an initial review of the potentially infringing material prior to sending a takedown notice; indeed, it would be impossible to meet any of the requirements of Section 512(c) without doing so. A consideration of the applicability of the fair use doctrine simply is part of that initial review.