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Long-Term Storage of Moderately Large Datasets?

hawkeyeMI writes "I have a small scientific services company, and we end up generating fairly large datasets (2-3 TB) for each customer. We don't have to ship all of that, but we do need to keep some compressed archives. The best I can come up with right now is to buy some large hard drives, use software RAID in linux to make a RAID5 set out of them, and store them in a safe deposit box. I feel like there must be a better way for a small business, but despite some research into Blu-ray, I've not been able to find a good, cost-effective alternative. A tape library would be impractical at the present time. What do you recommend?"

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  1. Amazon AWS? by TSHTF · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It might not be the cheapest option, but with Amazon's AWS, you can snail mail them a copy of the drive with the data and they're store it in S3 storage buckets.

  2. Go with Blu-ray by sabreofsd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With the advent of 2TB drives, you could easily combine 3 of these with software RAID 5 as you suggested. Depending on how long you need to keep the data, recording them to dual-layer blu-ray disks might be a better solution. Ya, it's a lot of disks (you can buy 100GB discs now), but they'll last longer and you don't have to worry so much about mechanical failure or needing a certain OS when you want to restore them.

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    Sabre
  3. Drobo fan and user by Lvdata · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You might look at a www.drobo.com as a set of 4,5 and 8 drive enclosures. 1 TB disks gives you 3 TB usable space with a 2 drive failure tolerance. I have the older 4 bay drobo (2 for myself, and 2 at separate clients offices). It is much simpler to use, and will scale to your 2-3tb use and allow mismatched drives that normal raid will not use. Get a enclosure to start with, and then financing permitting, get a 2nd for Drobo redundancy. Not the fastest or cheapest, but reasonably good by both accounts, and simple to use.

  4. Re:Exactly what you're doing by forgottenusername · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't think it's a great solution. You're storing relatively fragile hard drives in a raid5 configuration in a lock box? It's not like you can tell if one of the drives goes bad and needs to be replaced when it's sitting in a box. You'd have to regularly pull the data sets out, fire them up and make sure everything is still functional.

    I'd at least want to do 2 complete sets of mirrored drives.

    Tape storage does store better.

    Depending on how important the data is, I might do something like a local mirrored drive set in storage and an online copy at something like rsync.net - stay away from s3, it's not designed to protect data, despite what AWS fans may say.

  5. Never us DVDs as long term storage. by strangeattraction · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Repeat never use DVDs as long term storage. I have seen them go unreadable anywhere from 2-5 years. I have fired up disk drives 10 years later with no problems. They are cheap reliable and fast. Don't try and get fancy just compress and store data sets over multiple volumes. Don't use RAID.

  6. Re:GMail Drive by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's what ZFS is for.

    mount -t gmailfs /disk1 -o username=gmailuser,password=gmailpass
    mount -t gmailfs /disk2 -o username=gmailuser,password=gmailpass
    mount -t gmailfs /disk3 -o username=gmailuser,password=gmailpass
    mount -t gmailfs /disk4 -o username=gmailuser,password=gmailpass
    mount -t gmailfs /disk5 -o username=gmailuser,password=gmailpass

    zpool create gzfs raidz1 disk1 disk2 disk3 disk4 disk5

    Actually.... I think I just found my project for the evening. I mean it's already been done with 12 USB drives

  7. Re:Exactly. by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Almost forgot to add. Never pay for expensive disk systems. Put the intelligence into your application instead. It'll scale faster and much cheaper. You also aren't locked into a technology (and instead, can enjoy the falling costs of storage, both spinning and SSD).

  8. Another Option / Definition issues by bruciferofbrm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A problem I have here is the definition of 'long term'. To each of us it means something different.

    In my job I have to archive 1.6 terabytes of data per day, and keep it around for 45 days (which, BTW, is not my definition of LONG TERM). For this task I utilize Data Domain storage, which utilizes data deduplication techniques for massive compression.

    What you find is that at the block level your data may in fact be incredibly deduplicatable. In my case it very much the situation. I am currently storing 86 terabytes of rolling archives within 2.5 terabytes of physical disk space.

    The problem with any technology you use for 'long term' storage is the ability to read those archives later. Assuming the media doesn't self degrade inside of the time frame you call 'long term', you must have the tools to read that media again. If you use BluRay, then you must store a compatible drive with it. (Nothing says Sony will not change the standard in two years and make all current drives obsolete, so no one makes them any more). Tape is worse, in that in two major model revisions, drives wont be able to read your media because its density is to low for the new drive head technology. Hardware based disk raid has the issue that the controller the raid was built with needs to stay with that raid. Another controller from the same manufacture, with the same model number, but a different firmware revision may not be able to figure out the raid, and declare the drives empty. Software raid is a little easier to deal with as long as you keep a copy of the OS you used to create it with in the same box. But then, during your defined 'long term' period, will you still have access to a system you can even plug these drives into, or run the OS on?

    What you end up dealing with in reality is that as an archivist, you either ignore these facts, or you invest in a constant media / technology refresh and spend large amounts of time keeping your archives on the latest storage available.

    Of course, all this falls apart if your definition of 'long term' isn't as long as some will project. In my case, my archives roll over every 45 days. I could easily keep that data alive for years on a live piece of hardware with a service contract. If I do not trust that hardware enough, I can buy two and replicate between them. (which, actually I am, for disaster recovery purposes)

    With deduplication my (acknowledged) high initial investment quickly outweighs the cost of single purpose drives holding one copy, and wasting unused space. My purchase cost was less then $60k, but if I had to store all of that data in its raw form, my costs would be in the millions. However, if the data is not deduplicatable, then of course it is a moot point.

    Each answer has it flaws. You decide which risks are acceptable, plan your best to deal with obsolesce, and define your definition of 'long term'. You also have to be ready to change your solution, when the one you choose today, fails to be the right solution for your needs in 5 years.