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North Korea's Own OS, Red Star

klaasb writes "North Korea's self-developed computer operating system, named 'Red Star,' was brought to light for the first time by a Russian satellite broadcaster yesterday. North Korea's top IT experts began developing the Red Star in 2006, but its composition and operation mechanisms were unknown until the internet version of the Russia Today TV program featured the system, citing the blog of a Russian student who goes to the Kim Il-sung University in Pyongyang."

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  1. 2010: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The year of the linux desktop has finally come, to North Korea.

    1. Re:2010: by sopssa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And they still had to make it look like Windows:

      The Red Star is based on Linux, a free and open software operating system, but looks a lot like the Microsoft Windows on display. It also has a similar user interface.

      The desktop display of Red Star is almost identical to that of MS Windows.

      A Red Star logo is shown on the lower left corner of the screen where MS Windows has a start button. It has most of the basic MS Windows icons such as a Trash Bin and My Computer. Only, the names of the icons are slightly different from the Korean version of MS Windows.

      Application programs such as a Web browser and a word processor which also resemble MS products come in separate discs.

    2. Re:2010: by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 4, Funny

      In Korea, only old people use Windows. Then they get arrested for promoting capitalism.

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    3. Re:2010: by wintercolby · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Damnit! Now all the Windoze Fanboiz are going to say there's evidence that Linux and FOSS are communist.

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    4. Re:2010: by aztektum · · Score: 5, Funny

      Shouldn't it be GNU/Red Star Linux?

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    5. Re:2010: by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Funny

      As long as there is a grownup OS underneath does it really matter?

    6. Re:2010: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, and I'm sure that the cars in N. Korea have a wheel to steer, pedals on the floor for accelerator, clutch and brake, and a lever to shift gears... Just like a Chevy.

      So what?

    7. Re:2010: by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Funny

      Communism. My idea!

    8. Re:2010: by interval1066 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In N. Korea, you don't operate system; system operates YOU.

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    9. Re:2010: by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is just KDE, it does not look like windows anymore than OSX.

    10. Re:2010: by FailedTheTuringTest · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not intended to copy Windows, it just looks like Windows the same way Gnome and KDE both resemble Windows. http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-03-01/north-korea-cyber-weapon.html?fullstory

    11. Re:2010: by drfreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Good point. Do we need to know NeXTSTEP and BSD in order to use OSX? :)

    12. Re:2010: by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Incidentally I have worked in South Korea and engineers there use a local linux distribution which, like this, looks like red hat with different icons and localization. I wouldn't be surprised if this distro is derived from the southern version.

    13. Re:2010: by exomondo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yet another retard author who hasn't actually used or seen any operating system outside of OSX or Windows, it's blindingly obvious that it's pretty much the default KDE 3.5 setup.

    14. Re:2010: by Jeian · · Score: 4, Funny

      All 10 cars, yes.

    15. Re:2010: by hotfireball · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget that South Korea is totally screwed up by a Microsoft. They are very proprietary and bound to one OS totally. They even have officially allowed only one module to do internet banking online. And it is written only for MSIE on Active X, working only on Windows. They will have definitely hard time to move away from that.

  2. The unanswered question... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is that a 2-bit or 8-bit operating system?

    1. Re:The unanswered question... by absurdist · · Score: 5, Funny

      An 8-bit operating system for a 2-bit country?

    2. Re:The unanswered question... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's analog. Since they don't have electricity, the computer in question is hydraulic, with power provided by the operator via pedals. ~

  3. Oh... by DavidR1991 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm guessing said news program didn't consider the potential consequences for the student? (Especially if a) he's still there and b) If they consider this project to be some kind of 'national secret' which they probably do given security / the likelihood of 'cyber warfare')

  4. Re:...can't...stop...myself... by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Funny

    In Democratic People's Republic of Korea, computer back door removes you!

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  5. Re:So, when by Michael+Kristopeit · · Score: 5, Funny

    ICBM

  6. So, not a new operating system, just YAGLD by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yet Another GNU Linux distro.

    With a skin that resembles windows, and rebranded apps.

    Here's an article with a bit more of information

    http://techie-buzz.com/linux-news/red-star-os-linux-distro-north-korea.html

    The "My Country" browser is just firefox.

    Interesting is, they are in violation of the GPL. But then again, It's North Korea ...

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    1. Re:So, not a new operating system, just YAGLD by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting is, they are in violation of the GPL. But then again, It's North Korea ...

      It's kinda hard to violate nonexistant copyright laws. OTOH, we're free to copy anything coming from North Korea as well. Not quite sure how much is worth copying.

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    2. Re:So, not a new operating system, just YAGLD by vlm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OTOH, we're free to copy anything coming from North Korea as well. Not quite sure how much is worth copying.

      Our govt is desperately copying their civil rights laws...

      Some of our corporate-govt propaganda is about as bad as their govt propaganda...

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  7. I might have had something to say but... by maeka · · Score: 5, Funny

    The article in its entirety:
    Russian student back from North Korea had purchased a $5 OS disc and a $10 application disc. Based on Linux, looks like Korean version of Windows.

    Nothing else.

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    crickets

    1. Re:I might have had something to say but... by maeka · · Score: 5, Informative
    2. Re:I might have had something to say but... by RocketRabbit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We have a greater percentage of our population in prison than North Korea does.

    3. Re:I might have had something to say but... by bertok · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We have a greater percentage of our population in prison than North Korea does.

      Their entire country is a prison.

    4. Re:I might have had something to say but... by DigiShaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ya, executions do tend to keep the prisoner count low...

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    5. Re:I might have had something to say but... by chadenright · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even assuming their entire country is a prison, the US -still- has more people in prison than North Korea does.





      //(Technically wrong by a factor of 10, but still likely to hit +5 funny before it hits -5 troll).

    6. Re:I might have had something to say but... by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We have a greater percentage of our population in prison than North Korea does.

      Really? How do you know? Most lists I've seen of imprisonment rates have the US with the highest listed, but North Korea with no information, because most are based on government reports and/or reliable NGOs, and North Korea doesn't report data or provide the kind of access from which NGOs could produce anything like a reasonable estimate.

  8. Re:GPL by Phrogman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does it count as fulfilling the obligations required by the GPL if you make your source code freely available and downloadable but your entire country is behind a firewall and no one can access it? :)

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  9. Ironic by orkysoft · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ironic how super-strict North Korea uses Free Software, while South Korea is totally in thrall to Microsoft.

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    1. Re:Ironic by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not necessarily. Free Software can be easily customized to fit the whims of a dictatorship. Proprietary software requires the cooperation of the developer and (presumably) payment to that developer.

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    2. Re:Ironic by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, the obvious joke would be... "Communist country, communist OS."

      Sorry. Couldn't resist. Some jokes are just too easy.

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    3. Re:Ironic by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, they both fell for the propaganda that Free Software is communist.

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  10. A firewall is the least of the problems by name_already_taken · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does it count as fulfilling the obligations required by the GPL if you make your source code freely available and downloadable but your entire country is behind a firewall and no one can access it? :)

    Most of North Korea doesn't even have electricity. I'm not sure they need a firewall.

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    1. Re:A firewall is the least of the problems by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

      Most of North Korea doesn't even have electricity.

      Lies! All North Korean citizens have personal fusion reactors to power Dear Leader's triumph over Western aggressors.

    2. Re:A firewall is the least of the problems by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Funny

      Without electricity they could use the firewall to keep warm in the winter.

    3. Re:A firewall is the least of the problems by ArsonSmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

      http://geology.com/articles/night-satellite/satellite-photo-of-asia-at-night.jpg actually shows this best.

      The bright portion of the peninsula just west of Japan is South Korea, the dark spot between it and the main land is North Korea.

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    4. Re:A firewall is the least of the problems by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are they really that fucked?

      There are "bright spots" visible by satellite within North Korea. They are believed to correspond to enclaves of the wealthy elites. What's that you ask? How can they have "wealthy elites" within a Marxist utopian state? You may be nearing an answer to your own question.

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    5. Re:A firewall is the least of the problems by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are they really that fucked?

      There are "bright spots" visible by satellite within North Korea. They are believed to correspond to enclaves of the wealthy elites. What's that you ask? How can they have "wealthy elites" within a Marxist utopian state? You may be nearing an answer to your own question.

      A simple "yes" would have been fine.

    6. Re:A firewall is the least of the problems by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      Wow, they have really comprehensive dark sky ordinances.

      It would be a great place for astronomy.

    7. Re:A firewall is the least of the problems by yossarianuk · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would argue that North Korea is not a communist country (as defined by Marx), neither was the soviet union or china,

  11. Re:Yes! by sopssa · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Red Star is based on Linux

    *ducks*

  12. Glorious Leader has truly given us a blessing by Kyru · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm surprised there isn't a press release telling us Kim Jong-Il programmed the majority of the OS himself in his spare time, it is the type of thing the Glorious Leader usually does.

    1. Re:Glorious Leader has truly given us a blessing by damn_registrars · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm surprised there isn't a press release telling us Kim Jong-Il programmed the majority of the OS himself in his spare time, it is the type of thing the Glorious Leader usually does.

      Only the majority? You don't seem to know Kim Jong-Il very well. Considering he has his people tell us he is a world-record golfer, an avid fighter pilot (in spite of being afraid of flying), and capable of memorizing entire phone books, they wouldn't stop at majority. They would tell us that he gloriously wrote the entire Linux kernel, which he then selflessly shared with Linus Torvalds.

      And then they would go back a step further and say that he is also the original author of Unix itself. By the end of the week he would also be the father of the transistor and semiconductor.

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    2. Re:Glorious Leader has truly given us a blessing by DigiShaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The people of N. Korea are so fucked. I feel sorry for them. One day reality will come crashing down on them like Thor's hammer and either cause mass suicide, violence, or both.

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  13. Re:Yes! by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Funny

    Personally I wonder if the Blue Screen of Death is replaced with a Red Screen of Dissention.

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  14. Interesting... by stakovahflow · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do they have the goofy M$ search assistant dog?

    Just curious there...

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  15. Re:Yes! by Elektroschock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is just the smart thing to do. I expect more nations to switch to Linux as their desktop operating system to save the dependency on "Red Mond". I mean, monoculture is dangerous for their national security. Linux is very strong in Latin nations for egovernment purposes. The nation to switch first is able to create a very sustainable Linux eco system and it is able to get the Microsoft political benefits as well. Win!

  16. It's based in GNU Hurd . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

    . . . but the only app is Duke Nukem Forever.

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  17. Re:So, when by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2, Funny

    can we start expecting contributions to the kernel?

    Sorry comrade, it is now called "the Colonel".

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  18. Born on a rainbow star by e2d2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Falling from the heavens like a rainbow star, the operating system appeared as a spirit of the people, willing itself into being to fight the evil west and spread true communist freedom to all people.

  19. Re:...can't...stop...myself... by umghhh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and I cannot stop myself of thinking - this russian student in NK that revealed the secret to the evil world - what happens to this poor soul? I mean either he was f.g silly, the regime told him to do it or the regime is already falling apart and everybody (in NK) can see it. Well I personally opt for silliness.

  20. Not at all a surprise by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After all, North Korea is not known for its high technology or modern infrastructure. Well, as I'm sure the Mozilla team can tell you, developing a high quality modern browser is not a trivial task. Takes a lot of work and a lot of expertise. They have that, and have many years of code to build on. NK doesn't. So, what do they do? Rip off someone else, of course! That way they can have their own high quality browser with a minimum of effort. There's also little risk of their citizens finding out it is a ripoff and not original work because of course they have almost no access to the outside world.

    If any one was actually expecting a real, home grown, innovate OS the were kidding themselves.

  21. Re:So, when by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hear the patches will be real killers.

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  22. Re:LOL by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    North Korean standards of "new". It takes their engineers a decade to completely remove all of the NSA and Chinese backdoors from the hardware.

  23. Re:GPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does it count as fulfilling the obligations required by the GPL if you make your source code freely available and downloadable but your entire country is behind a firewall and no one can access it? :)

    Since North Korea is a sovereign nation, I dont think that they have to abide by US copyright laws...

  24. Re:...can't...stop...myself... by Skillet5151 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I doubt they're going to murder him for leaking information about their non-secret software if that's what you mean. Apparently North Korea still gets a fair number of Russian tourists and would probably like to not piss off the Russian government.

    I ran across a bunch of pictures from a Russian tourist a while back with translated captions. I found them pretty interesting.
    http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/index_e.html

  25. Re:GPL by WWWWolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does it count as fulfilling the obligations required by the GPL if you make your source code freely available and downloadable but your entire country is behind a firewall and no one can access it? :)

    Isn't this kind of a modified version of one of the thought experiments from the Debian legal team? If you suppose dissidents in dictatorships should be allowed to improve and use the software without the need to put themselves in danger of exposing the fact that they have the software in their possession, then the licenses should only require sending source code and patches to people who specifically request them. (Incidentally, GPL doesn't require you to advertise your forked versions or send your modifications upstream. It just requires that if you distribute binaries, you should also make the source available upon request.)

    Heck, the people who came up with this thought experiment probably never thought the same principle could be actually used by dictatorships to conceal the program from the outside world...

  26. amerika has executions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    amerika has executions too y'all

    1. Re:amerika has executions by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Informative

      Note, by the by, that even if one assumes that all executions in the USA are purely random (as opposed to punishment for a specific crime), the chance of being killed by lightning is about twice as high as the chance of being executed.

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  27. Not really a Windows clone by mister_playboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, it just looks like a default KDE desktop. I've seen the Chinese Linux that emulates the look of XP, and someone spent a lot of time on that copying the appearance down to the small details. This, on the other hand, isn't very customized.

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  28. "identical to Windows" = "uses KDE3" by yet-another-lobbyist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, awesome, those Korean programmers! They can make Linux look almost identical to Windows ... by using the almost un-altered default theme of KDE3

  29. Violating the GPL? by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Informative

    They aren't violating the GPL if they aren't distributing it (which i don't believe they are yet)...

    They also aren't violating the GPL if the jurisdiction they are in does not require them to have the permission of the copyright holder to make a derivative work in the first place, since the GPL is merely a license by which the copyright holder grants someone else rights which would otherwise be exclusive under law to the copyright holder.

    Since its the North Korean government operating within North Korea we're talking about, here, I'm pretty sure the local laws don't require them to have a license from anyone to do anything they want.

    1. Re:Violating the GPL? by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Only on Slashdot would we worry about a country violating the GPL without discussing their violation of most international treaties, common sense, the Bible, nuclear test ban treaties, and the basic human rights of their own citizens.

      Its impossible to not violate at least some of that set, since they pose mutually exclusive demands. (In fact, the one you've capitalized, on its own, poses mutually exclusive demands, so its impossible not to violate it alone.)

  30. Re:Dissent by zygotic+mitosis · · Score: 2, Funny

    May I direct you here?

  31. Re:So, when by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

    Judging by what the system looks like, he's under direct command of General Protection Fault.

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  32. And best of all.. by Noland150 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It has a nifty daemon that keeps system clocks set back by 50 years.

  33. Re:Yes! by DesScorp · · Score: 3, Funny

    Personally I wonder if the Blue Screen of Death is replaced with a Red Screen of Dissention.

    No, it's the Red Screen of Death. This is North Korea, after all. "Take that, Hans Brix!"

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  34. Re:Yes! by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rather that than the enterprise controlling government with an iron fist, like where I live.

  35. Re:Yes! by Drencrom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, like Germany for example

  36. Re:Wow, you have been brainwashed by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm Argentinian. born, raised and living in Argentina ... a big part of the US population consists mostly of racist, irrational, ego maniacal, selfish pricks

    Perhaps you should leave Argentina once in a while and actually get to know a few more of the people you're describing.

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  37. Re:Dissent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I tried clicking your link and all I got was this: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whoosh

  38. Re:Yes! by PK+Tech+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Kim Jong Il's 1st computer program: "Herro World".

  39. Re:Yes! by yossarianuk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Everybody knows that penguins are imperialists

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Penguin