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China's Human Flesh Search Engine

Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times has an interesting article about Human-flesh search engines — renrou sousuo yinqing — that have become a phenomenon in China: they are a form of online vigilante justice in which Internet users hunt down and punish people who have attracted their wrath. The goal is to get the targets of a search fired from their jobs, shamed in front of their neighbors, or run out of town. It's crowd-sourced detective work, pursued online — with offline results. 'In the United States, traditional media are still playing the key role in setting the agenda for the public,' says Jin Liwen. 'But in China, you will see that a lot of hot topics, hot news or events actually originate from online discussions.' In one well known case, when a video appeared in China of a woman stomping a cat to death with the sharp point of her high heel, the human flesh search engine tracked the kitten killer's home to the town of Luobei in Heilongjiang Province, in the far northeast, and her name — Wang Jiao — was made public, as were her phone number and her employer. 'Wang Jiao was affected a lot,' says one Luobei resident. 'She left town and went somewhere else.' The kitten-killer case didn't just provide revenge; it helped turn the human-flesh search engine into a national phenomenon. Searches have also been directed against cheating spouses, corrupt government officials, amateur pornography makers, Chinese citizens who are perceived as unpatriotic, journalists who urge a moderate stance on Tibet and rich people who try to game the Chinese system."

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  1. Sounds like 4chan's Anonymous scientology raids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and "Anonymous is not your personal army" seems to have held up pretty well against gaming.

  2. 4Chan by badran · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is 4Chan made in China.... or dare I say ChinChan...

    1. Re:4Chan by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The difference being the Chinese are motivated by a sense of moral justice (at least on the surface) instead of a nihilistic quest for lulz. Frankly I like the 4chan way better, seems more honest.
      It's also interesting that similar behavior has spontaneously developed in 2 parts of the world with a very different culture, it may indicate the way future internet-centric societies will further develop. Oh dear god IS "4chan the Future of Human Consciousness?"

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    2. Re:4Chan by the_one(2) · · Score: 4, Informative

      The difference being the Chinese are motivated by a sense of moral justice (at least on the surface) instead of a nihilistic quest for lulz. Frankly I like the 4chan way better, seems more honest.

      They are also motivated by their love for cats.

  3. The Human Flesh Search Engine by ZirconCode · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also known as Mature Bullying

  4. Re:Mob rule? by Third+Position · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like mob rule to me.

    Well, as H.L. Mencken once said - the purist form of democracy is the lynch mob. True enough. Ironic that China should be criticized for becoming too democratic.

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  5. Re:Mob rule? by psycho12345 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Agreed, this sounds like perfect expression of the Tyranny of the Majority. Thankfully they cannot organize into a political party, with all the problems that causes, ie Nazi Germany. Oh and Godwin

  6. But who verified it was really her?! by elFisico · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While the public might be a good detective, it certainly is a bad judge. Given the current technology (need I say photoshop?) a picture or a video can be faked by e.g. a malicious stalker who is after destroying a persons reputation. Posting the results of such a witch hunt without the accused having the possibility to respond to the accusation and defend hirself violates a basic human right.

    1. Re:But who verified it was really her?! by dalutong · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but in court you have to provide evidence. And you can refute that evidence. So it becomes rational. Groupthink is not rational. And very very dangerous. And you can't remove the 100 people who are outliers (people who would be taken off a jury because they are prejudiced). Those might be the people who use the information to harass someone they don't like.

      For instance, what if a group decided to "out" all the gay people in a town? They'd start their investigations and post the names online. That's wrong in and of itself. But an outlier might then decide to use that information for violence.

      And that's why we have a judicial system.

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    2. Re:But who verified it was really her?! by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's discussed in TFA: a corrupt local official was hunted down for attempting to pull a small girl into a bathroom, actual eyewitnesses were not sure the situation was so clear cut. The whole reason we have courts is because mob "justice" is rarely that.

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  7. Re:Why can't we all get along? by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...... amateur pornography makers, Chinese citizens who are perceived as unpatriotic, journalists who urge a moderate stance on Tibet and rich people who try to game the Chinese system

    This is the online version of denouncing people to the Thought Police in 1984. Just a reminder that China is still very much a totalitarian state.

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  8. Re:Why can't we all get along? by bahbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's more than that, It's the people _becoming_ the Thought Police.

  9. What? by tarscher · · Score: 4, Funny

    Searches have also been directed against amateur pornography makers
    This thing should be banned immediately

  10. modern mass gathering by Krokz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It looks to me like modern mass gathering. We all know what a charismatic leader and with a few pugilistic punch lines can do to the mass mob. You are innocent until proven guilty and this is a one sided witch hunt and strongly against peoples right to privacy. It is a good thing in some cases, but bad in most.

  11. Cultural Revolution 2.0 by dflock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Great - the Cultural Revolution 2.0 - along with vigilantism, denouncements & public humiliation. Awesome, just what everyone needed; yay China. Sigh.

  12. Re:not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not completely - the goal is to completely brainwash people so that each accuses her or his neighbor of violations against the law. Divide et impera at its best. I come from Eastern Europe and this was practiced massively there. The motion is set by rules that control thinking and everyone stepping over whether for good or bad has her head cut off. Unfortunately, this is our innate stupidity and inconsistency as human species and many people over the ages were taking advantage of that - read Machiavelli. The clever people organize these "witch hunts" though it often backfires. Look at the French Revolution, the same ideas. Everyone is guilty of something, hence everyone can be punished in a Richelieu-an fashion.

  13. Re:Why can't we all get along? by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Then so is the UK (making the assumption you're from there based on username) which has its fair share of witch hunts organized by the tabloids (Jade Goody, the anti-vaccination insanity, the pediatrician assaulted by confused pedophile hunters, etc...) In fact it might be more totalitarian since the Chinese incidents aren't guided by a central authority like the UK ones but are grass roots initiatives.

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  14. Re:Why can't we all get along? by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 4, Informative

    re-read the book if you think that is a valid statement.

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  15. Re:dude by paiute · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1984, orwell, big brother: it would all make sense if the state had a monopoly on technological advance. it doesn't. as such, 1984, orwell, big brother: failed, dead meme, useless way of thinking about your world.

    Thanks. Here I was thinking that 1984 was a commentary on the human condition. I completely missed the point that unless all the conditions and technology were exactly the same, my world and Orwell's world had zero in common.

    I guess I can discrd all the insights into human behaviours in the Iliad and the Odyssey because people don't carry swords anymore.

    And my copy of Herodotus is right out.

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