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Dot-Com Craze Peaked 10 Years Ago This Week

Posted by kdawson on from the irrational-exuberance dept.

netbuzz writes "When the NASDAQ stock index hit its all-time high of 5,133 on March 10, 2000, it had more than doubled in a year and the dot-com bubble was already leaking in a big way. A week later the NASDAQ had fallen 9 percent. A year later it was below 2000. Gone were such poster children of the era as Pets.com, Kozmo, and — who could forget? — Whoopi Goldberg's Flooz. Here's a look back."

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  1. I'm just waiting on this .info thing to peak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    GoDaddy said these .info domains were the future! And they let me have one for the low low price of $1.99!

    1. Re:I'm just waiting on this .info thing to peak by thzinc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just for your information, Proud Domains is using Wild West Domains, a sister company of GoDaddy, to register and manage your domains. Granted, the support you're getting is likely from people employed by or running Proud, but the actual product is still a GoDaddy-managed item. IAAWWDR (Wild West Domains Reseller)

    2. Re:I'm just waiting on this .info thing to peak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm waiting for the "Cloud" craze to peak.

      Not joking.

  2. So does anyone want to buy by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Funny

    15,000 Flooz notes? Going cheap! I'll trade for a pets.com sock-puppet...

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    1. Re:So does anyone want to buy by nweaver · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry, no deal. My pets.com new-in-box sockpuppet is part of the centerpiece of my collection...

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  3. What is Up with Go.com? by eldavojohn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Okay on the list they have go.com as #8 biggest flop. I go to www.go.com and sure enough it looks like I just typed in the wrong URL and got some domain parking crap. And yet, on Alexa it's ranked 15th in the United States. Is Alexa horribly flawed or what is going on with www.go.com? How does a site that looks like that still rank number 15 in the United States? It's above Bing, CNN, Flickr and Wordpress. Huh?

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    1. Re:What is Up with Go.com? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Looks like you have yourself a Hijacker. Check your DNS.

    2. Re:What is Up with Go.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The front page www does indeed seem worthless, but http://espn.go.com/ and http://disney.go.com/ and http://abcnews.go.com/ look like they would account for traffic.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go.com has some info.

    3. Re:What is Up with Go.com? by mu51c10rd · · Score: 4, Informative

      You may have heard of the following sites:
      http://espn.go.com/
      http://disney.go.com/index
      http://abcnews.go.com/

    4. Re:What is Up with Go.com? by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      Take a closer look at the page? Does it say Disney on it?

      Many of Disney's properties have their web presence on go.com. For instance:

      http://abc.go.com/

      (and someone already pointed out ESPN)

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    5. Re:What is Up with Go.com? by Jer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wow - that is an ugly site.

      But even though it looks like "domain parking crap" it does appear that that it is the main page for the Disney-owned "go.com". They just slapped an ugly page on the front and I guess they assume no one will ever visit it.

    6. Re:What is Up with Go.com? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, it's part of the Disney behemoth.

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  4. Programmers where like Rock Stars... by acomj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Jobs where plentiful, signing bonuses common, stock options flowed like champagne......

    I miss it.

    Then company I worked for had an all hands meeting and then proceed to hand out unemployment forms.. We weren't even a dot com, but lack of investment killed them.

    Like waking from a wonderful dream....

    1. Re:Programmers where like Rock Stars... by mikael_j · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At least you got to experience those "golden years", I was still in school when the dot bomb hit. Admittedly I decided not to go directly from high school to the job market because I was convinced the whole thing would blow up, but what I didn't know was that entering the job market in the post-bomb years with no experience and straight out of college meant most employers would assume I was just another one of those "hey, there's gold in them thar intarwebs" guys who was just trying to make lots of money.

      Sadly I knew as a kid (as in, by the early 90s) that I wanted to be a programmer/developer and first started coding a couple of years earlier at age 8, didn't help one bit since every employer assumed I hadn't even known what a computer was until 1999 or so, spent 2.5 years doing first and second line tech support for ISPs before getting a "real" job. :(

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    2. Re:Programmers where like Rock Stars... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

      Rockstars? Oh yeah? Where were my groupies?

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    3. Re:Programmers where like Rock Stars... by MBGMorden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pretty much the same thing happened with me. I entered college in Fall 2009. I had known since I was playing on my Commodore 10 years earlier that I wanted to be a programmer when I grew up. There were tech firm recruiters coming in talking to the CompSci majors promising all sorts of great things. To me I was like "Hey - I wasn't expecting this, but damn this programming thing might actually turn out to be even more awesome.". The speakers were even saying things like "I could probably place most of you in a positino with just the month or two worth of college you have taken so far".

      Fast forward to Fall 2003 when I graduated - nobody seemed to be hiring. On the off chance that you found somewhere hiring they wanted a resume that was 10 pages long detailing decades of experience. I ended up taking a job teaching at a certificate factory - almost felt guilty teaching these kids these classes for "certificates" that would be even less useful than the degree I had.

      After a year of teaching I ended up getting a job as a trainer with a local government office - which is how I basically weaseled into my "real" job. They had programmers, but had very high experience requirements for hiring new ones. Took about 2 years, but through that long worth of talking, conversing, etc, they finally got the hint that I actually could code and knew what I was doing (plus was that I knew mostly newer stuff - Java, C, C++, PHP, etc - compared to the COBOL that their existing programmers knew). So eventually my supervisors promoted me to a programmer just because they already knew me. 2 years in that and I was able to move up to project manager.

      Thankfully if I ever have to leave here my resume is now sufficiently padded with some good experience, but for a while I was afraid that I'd be working at McDonalds to pay off my student loans.

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    4. Re:Programmers where like Rock Stars... by istartedi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dream time. Cue didgeridoo and rock paintings.

      Even in Northern Virginia there was mania. One afternoon on my way home from work, I saw a plane fly by trailing a banner "Cool Internet Jobs at UUNet". Searchlights played in the evening over Tyson's corner. There was also a helicopter trailing a big sign for some tech company... I want to say HP, but I don't exactly recall.

      Alas, the ISP I worked for was acquired by a boring telecom, which raised our pay a bit but didn't fill our parking lot with Ferraris.

      The post 911 "security boom" in the DC area was much better for me; but it had its own problems. What's next?

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    5. Re:Programmers where like Rock Stars... by zero_out · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I had a similar, unfortunate, experience.

      I studied computer science because I loved using computers since I was in first grade, even though I never owned one until a few months before graduating HS. There was just something about their flexibility, and capacity for automating tasks that appealed to me.

      When I chose CS as my major in college, my friends were all telling me that I only needed to study for a couple of years, apply for a few jobs, get competing offers with huge salaries and signing bonuses, and I would be set. This was based on the experiences of their older brothers, cousins, etc. As a result, I thought nothing about all the loans I was taking out to attend university. It wasn't that I was greedy, I just couldn't get a full scholarship, and my parents couldn't afford to give me a dime, so if I was going to continue my education instead of working right out of HS, I would need a lot of loans.

      Then the bust happend, and I spent my summer of 2001 working helpdesk for a government agency. In 2002, I couldn't even get a summer job, and lived off $250 a month leftover from my loans that year, with $200 going toward rent, ~$35 toward utilities, and ~$15 toward food. Not even a fast food joint would hire me. In 2003 I didn't even bother looking for a job, because it was preferrable to be scraping by and deal with more debt when I graduated than to face the impossibility of finding a job. When I graduated in 2004, I jumped at the first job I could get, which was desktop/server administration, intranet maintenance, and helpdesk in a 3-man IT shop for a very non-technical company. It paid the bills for 3 years, and allowed me to support my wife while she attended university. Toward the end of the third year, I was offered my first development job, working for a small company that was bought (a week later) by a mega-multinational.

      Now things have turned around, I am earning twice what I was earning at my first job out of college, and my $105,000 in school debt is well under control. My wife graduated from school, and is earning a very nice sum too. Sure, she has $40,000 in school debt, but five years of scraping by together has taught us how to live well below our means; and with our combined salaries (and no kids) we have considerable means.

      If the "golden years" never occured, I would have ended up working at a video store straight out of HS, spending all my money on video games, and living with my parents. I never got to experience the era, but it gave me the courage to take a bold risk and become the first person within my family (immediate and extended) to attend college. Sure, it was a rocky road, hiking through the rubble that was the dot-com bust, but I made it through in the end.

    6. Re:Programmers where like Rock Stars... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

      I entered college in Fall 2009...Fast forward to Fall 2003 when I graduated...

      Back to the future!

    7. Re:Programmers where like Rock Stars... by Mursk · · Score: 2, Funny
      Post worded as intended

      Are you sure? :P

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    8. Re:Programmers where like Rock Stars... by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You want a nice job out of college? Have experience. Do internships. Experience, experience and internships. Also, experience. And internships seldom hurt.

      I did 3 internships over 4 summers and worked on an academic website during the school year. There was some big-name experience there: IBM offers a few good internship programs. I won't tell you how much I'm making now; you'd be aghast.

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  5. dot com business model (no, not the ??? one) by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let's sell dimes for a nickel and make it up in volume......

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  6. the dotcom boom by Em+Emalb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How many people went from paper millionaires to "LOL..wut?" during this time?

    The only good thing about the .bomb was that it separated the wheat from the chaff, in that all the little monkeyboys who thought getting their MCSE meant $85k+/yr are no longer in the industry, for the most part.

    Basically, after the .bomb, the only people left were the good ones.

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    1. Re:the dotcom boom by mikael_j · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, my experience from working tech support here in Sweden in the years after the dot bomb was that a lot of the incompetent ones entrenched themselves in "safe" positions and focused on job security and climbing the corporate ladder, it's amazing how many completely inept "senior" sysadmins there are that need to call in an expensive consultant just to make basic configuration changes to systems that they're supposed to be experts on.

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    2. Re:the dotcom boom by spun · · Score: 3, Funny

      Where is this wonderful meritocracy you live in, and can I move there?

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    3. Re:the dotcom boom by spun · · Score: 2, Informative

      Heh, I was only partly serious. The boom did weed out some of the codemonkeys, of course, but you only need to look at thedailywtf.com to see there are still some real idiots in our profession.

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    4. Re:the dotcom boom by operagost · · Score: 2, Informative

      Basically, after the .bomb, the only people left were the good ones.

      HAHAHA no...

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    5. Re:the dotcom boom by eln · · Score: 3, Funny

      On the bright side, these paper millions did result in one of the most unintentionally hilarious essays ever written. So, it wasn't a total loss.

    6. Re:the dotcom boom by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately that's rather the truth than "separating wheat from chaff". Back then I was as pissed as anyone when I got fired while a coworker whose only abilities concisted of blameshifting and buttkissing got promoted instead.

      I just couldn't see the big picture back then, I basically live off these guys now! Here's how it works: Someone who could barely turn on a computer without causing a complete IT meltdown on the floor became sysadmin in 1999 because back then, basically anyone who could spell TCP/IP without tying a knot in his tongue was instantly seen as a network guru. Simply because everyone who could was already taken and anyone who could not could easily slip past a boss who knew even less about computers.

      Time went on and the layoffs were usually amongst those that care less about buttkissing and job security than doing their job. Ya know, the guys that don't have to care about job security because they're good enough to get a new one should the old one suck enough that you tell your boss to stick it. So what's left was rather the chaff than the wheat. Time went on and they learned a thing or two. Unfortunately about three or four things changed in the meantime, so learning one or two just ain't enough. So they are facing a problem they cannot solve.

      What does a clueless admin (I use that term loosely) with job security on his mind do in such a case? Tell his boss that he knows jack about computers? Of course not. He claims it is an issue that requires an expert for this particular field, and that nobody who must be a generalist to cover all bases (i.e. like him) can have this specialized knowledge. So you have to haul in an expert for this particular field of that "computer magic".

      And that's where I come in. Now, I'm of course able to do a wee bit more than installing a firewall of your choice and configuring it so it doesn't block you from seeing your por... I mean, your valuable stock info, but you'd be surprised how often I'm called to do just that, or similar "you're kidding me, right?" tasks. At rates that would make me ask where the other guys are that I should sensibly get for that amount of greens per hour.

      But they pay. And why do they pay? Simple: Boss believes his buttkisser. Buttkisser knows that he's overspending by some margin, but he can't back out now or he'd have to explain why such a "complicated" task does not warrant an expensive specialist (and you have to be some divine genius or boss would expect his 10-years-experience admin to be able to do it). And everyone else knows that they should better shut up anyway, because Buttkisser is usually also playing the work-bullying game and badmouths anyone who dares to question his ability as an admin (too many people noticing that he's actually a complete buffoon and the boss might catch on, so he has to be an asshole).

      So you see why consultants are being so popular these days. I can't vouch for other areas of "expertise" where consultants get insane amounts of money to tell the obvious, but I guess it must be the same. In IT, you can get by with halfway decent knowledge and charge ... well, whatever your please. They pay.

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  7. Ha, My .com artifacts lasted longer... by nweaver · · Score: 5, Funny

    I still have, in my office, my pets.com sock puppet (still in box), the business cards for Petopia.com's CEO and CFO, my webvan box, and most precious, the receipt for 1 pack of lifesavers (5 flavor, $.48) delivered by Webvan for no-charge.

    Ahh, those were good times...

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    1. Re:Ha, My .com artifacts lasted longer... by longacre · · Score: 5, Funny

      1 pack of lifesavers (5 flavor, $.48) delivered by Webvan for no-charge.

      The dotcom implosion can actually be traced back to this particular transaction. Way to go.

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    2. Re:Ha, My .com artifacts lasted longer... by nweaver · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're welcome!

      Seriously, the office of grad students I was in, we made it our DUTY to help the dumb net companies implode. EG, we were really really good at exploiting ValueAmerica, and everytime Webvan had 2L bottles of diet coke on special, we'd order a ton delivered to our door...

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  8. Being naive, I lost a lot of money that year by cytoman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hate being reminded of the dot com bubble. I had some good money in blue chip stocks and good mutual funds. I saw people making money like crazy all around me by investing in mutual funds that were heavily into tech stocks. So I took out a huge portion of my money and transferred it to the tech mutual funds and very soon after, the bubble burst. I had the misfortune of buying at the peak of the bubble and lost a very large amount of hard earned money. I don't know when I'll get over that.

    1. Re:Being naive, I lost a lot of money that year by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, can you let us know when and where you're investing next? I need to know what to sell.

    2. Re:Being naive, I lost a lot of money that year by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It depends: Did you do the same thing in mortgage banking a couple of years ago?

      And you've learned some important lessons about investing, like:
      1. Don't trust hype.
      2. No, really, don't trust hype.
      3. If you invest on momentum, you've probably already missed the boat.
      4. Profitable companies are better investments than unprofitable companies for a reason.
      5. Don't be afraid to be conservative. You might not make as much as the folks who risk a lot, but you're much more likely to hang onto your cash.

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    3. Re:Being naive, I lost a lot of money that year by operagost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm going to assume you weren't shooting for a "+1 Funny" and just say that the dollar's looking pretty weak lately. However, not being an expert, all I can suggest is to fill the pantry and buy gold and silver when everything goes to hell!

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    4. Re:Being naive, I lost a lot of money that year by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      THe US hasn't defaulted on a bond since its inception. If we did default on our bonds, it would mean almost immediate crashing of the world economy and most likely war with China. So yes, I'd be pretty sure- in the small percentage chance you're wrong, you probably won't live long enough for it to matter.

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    5. Re:Being naive, I lost a lot of money that year by TheNarrator · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you are into investing in bubbles remember this famous quote:

      "Economic history is a never-ending series of episodes based on falsehoods and lies, not truths. It represents the path to big money. The object is to recognize the trend whose premise is false, ride that trend, and step off before it is discredited." - George Soros

  9. Kozmo.com by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seems like we have these retrospectives on the dot-com bubble every 1-2 years - guess it's being driven by all the still-unemployed programmers.

    I will mention (as I do in every dot-com retrospective thread) a bunch of my coworkers did their best to bankrupt Kozmo.com - unintentionally, of course. But with no minimum charge, it was the "go to" place whenever anyone was jonesing for a pint of Ben and Jerry's or even a Snickers bar.

    Oh, and we can't have one of these threads without mentioning Eazel!

    It's amazing how so many of these companies had no business plan whatsoever. It's REALLY amazing that, back then, some people were actually defending this practice! People who asked "what's the long term business plan" were ridiculed as being small minded or being guilty of outmoded thinking.

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    1. Re:Kozmo.com by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Really, the business plan that worked for most .com businesses and still do, is get bought out. Really, get a million or two for the founders and give the employees early retirement. Plus, if you said "Hey, I founded YouTube" you can bet that you'd get a job, even though YouTube is chronically unprofitable.

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    2. Re:Kozmo.com by ClosedSource · · Score: 4, Funny

      But now we have companies with down-to-earth business plans - like twitter.

    3. Re:Kozmo.com by jimicus · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Get bought out" is not a business plan, it's an exit plan.

      A business plan is "I'm going to do X, Y and Z. It will cost N (expenditure and arithmetic to prove it) and produce a product which can be sold for A (show arithmetic to prove it). Selling this product B number of times per week (show arithmetic to demonstrate this is realistic) will generate a gross profit of C. Heck, even if I only sell this product (B/2) times per week I'll cover my costs.

      Competitors include Rod, Jane and Freddy - all of whom are making strong profits, which proves that in principle that such a business can work. But I'm better than all of them because my costs will be lower and I don't smell of old socks."

    4. Re:Kozmo.com by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But now we have companies with down-to-earth business plans - like twitter.

      And large banks.
      And airlines.
      And auto manufacturers.
      And newspapers.
      And publishers.
      And Malls/retail.

      God, I just got myself depressed again.

    5. Re:Kozmo.com by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But that doesn't work when it comes to most internet systems. Its a lot easier and generally more successful if you want to make the most money to find a niche, fill it, offer your company up for sale, until it sells use ad revenue to keep up until they sell to MS, Amazon, Google, etc.

      Yeah, its not a long term plan but its been a pretty successful plan, just ask the founders of YouTube, Neopets, Picasa, and any number of sites or products acquired.

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    6. Re:Kozmo.com by PerfectionLost · · Score: 2, Funny

      And newspapers.

      Did you mean to make this plural?

    7. Re:Kozmo.com by Ma8thew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Please explain where Twitter's revenue comes from.

    8. Re:Kozmo.com by imakemusic · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not sure I like the idea of an airline with a down-to-earth business plan.

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    9. Re:Kozmo.com by Darinbob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem with the "new economy" of the dot com boom is that people didn't believe this. Smart people didn't believe it either, not just the dumb ones. This isn't just a dot com thing, the trend has been around awhile. For instance, if you go back to the 50's and 60's, the big stocks people wanted to buy were from blue chip companies that gave dividends. That model meant that stock holders got a share of the profits, a classic capitalist model. The stock price may not change very much, but you still get a return on investment and don't have to sell the stocks to make money from them.

      Over time the model has changed so that the big trend is to buy stocks that grow, and you make your money when you sell the stocks. These may not pay dividends because there's no actual profits being made (either bad business model, or because all profits are funneled right back into accelerating growth). Fundamentally from my background in science and engineering, this seems unsustainable. Companies can not grow forever. This attitude towards high growth stocks encouraged changing business trends too: focusing all attention on the actual stock price, increased mergers and acquisitions, hyping companies, etc.

      At the same time, and possibly for similar reasons, there's been a trend away from long term gains towards short term profits. Quarterly numbers are given magnified importance. Day traders scraping up the pennies from extremely short trends.

      The dot com rode both trends. What mattered was growth, and how good you looked today. What you looked like in 2 or 3 years or what your earnings might be was not considered that important to many investors. People who worried about this stuff were considered the chumps still stuck in the old economy. The stupid people just wanted to ride the rising wave forever. The smart people though wanted to ride the wave but jump off before it crashed back down, so they wanted exit plans. Party today, and worry about the hangover tomorrow.

      The recent crash is similar in many ways. Otherwise smart people just can't resist getting on the rollercoaster. Profits are going up and you don't want to look like a chump playing it safe with traditional banking. They probably told themselves they could jump off before things went back down again (just one drink, I can quit any time).

  10. WE ARE STILL ROCK STARS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am a Ruby on Rails developer, and I AM A ROCK STAR. You think you know CRUD? Nuh uh! Me, RoR and ActiveRecord will kick your pathetic ass, because not only are we ROCK STARS, but we are CODE NINJAS.

    See my fedora? Yeah, you do, bitch. It shows I'm real. I'm only 18 and haven't been to university, and my startup has no real customers, but me and AJAX will whoop your ass and make you worship DHH.

    BRING IT.

  11. Re:Where were YOU when the bomb dropped? by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm pretty sure that I was head of IT for a non-profit medical marijuana club in San Francisco.

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  12. SFgirl, chronicling the dot-com boom 10 years ago by Animats · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For those of you who weren't there, see SFgirl, the web site for dot-com party girls.

    Here's the dot-com party list for one week, ten years ago.

    Typical party review: Mediaplex.com

    Always one for a free night time invite into the SFMOMA, sfboy lined up with the rest of the VC bottom feeders and various webtrash last Wednesday evening to try his hand at the new phenomenon sweeping the city called "Let the Dot Coms Pay for Your Drinks". Inadequate staff with bad planning only worked to our advantage as CM slipped past the guestlist list like a bad desktop application business plan past an overzealous venture capitalist. Once inside sfboy experienced the largest spread of food yet to feed the frothing crowds shoved uncomfortably into a small room. Picture fields of ahi, buckets of fresh smoked salmon, oysters galore, cheese from every udder imaginable, sushi, dumplings, and chocolates, oh my! Add several ornate ice sculptures with internal martinis luges and you've got a real crowd pleaser! Hear, Hear, my stomach cries for Mediaplex! Take me in nightly, feed me completely, shower me with your VC cash!

    Inside the museum itself child labor laws were overlooked at several dozen grommets flipped, spun and generally amused the masses with what appeared to be an orphanage filled with circus rats in training. I promptly notified the proper authorities.

    Sfboy relunctantly admits that he has no idea what Mediaplex pretends to posses as a business model but he wishes them well in their attempts to create a virtual circus accompanied by a fine buffet.

    Party Bill: $100,000
    Clowns: 100
    Professional Clowns: 25
    Bars: 4
    Party size: 650

  13. Ahhhh, dot.com by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I spent the dot.com time in a bank auditing company. So I had a perfect view when the whole crap started to crash and burn.

    Assessment of risk was completely off the bat. Everyone thought the internet is the next big thing. That really will take off. Everyone will buy everything online. Soon. Any time now. It's so much easier. And with a concentrated storage, logistics and delivery, you simply HAVE to be cheaper (overhead-wise) than everyone else, and computers are cheaper than brick-and-mortar stores, and no shop rents, and and and... it just MUST be a huge thing! And those loans, they will pay for themselves. Easily. They have no expense, you see? They can all invest it in their computers. And stuff. And what they need. And marketing is so big, it just HAS to take off like crazy!

    Believe it or not, THAT was actually the reasoning behind the unsecured multi million loans! Everyone was so hyped up about how easily they should be able to recover their investments. Hell, NOT throwing money at them would have been so stupid because everyone else did it and you just can't stay out of it because then your revenue would be lower and nobody would give you money (sounds familiar? It reminds me a lot of the current "we had to do those high risk businesses because else we could not offer those insane interest rates and if we didn't, nobody would have invested with us... It's the same bull all over again).

    What appearantly everyone failed (or refused) to see was that a lot of these people had little more than a pipe dream for a business plan and no experience with running a business whatsoever. We'll certainly hear a lot of stories of people who worked at dot.com businesses at the time. Tell me: These were startups, right? How many had expensive paid-by-company lunches or parties? What cars did your bosses drive, at company expense? Where was your office, and how was it furnished? What PR stunts did you stage?

    That's not how you "invest" money. That's how you squander it. And that's what made the bubble burst.

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    1. Re:Ahhhh, dot.com by Vaphell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Peter Schiff (investor who saw the recession coming from miles away - look him up on youtube) described his experiences from the nasdaq bubble era when he started his own company. He tried to find clients and convince them to sell dotcom stocks that were about to crash and invest in some reliable oldschool industries but people didn't listen to him. He said that some startup companies were valued higher than the whole New Zealand stock market.
      "What would you prefer to own? a part of the whole country or a part of some startup without any business plan?"
      but people were batshit insane and all they wanted was internet stocks...

  14. Re:Where were YOU when the bomb dropped? by oldhack · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Saw the ship sinking, jumped it and went on extended cheap backpacking. Rode out good part of the bust. Good times.

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  15. Re:Where were YOU when the bomb dropped? by greywire · · Score: 2, Funny

    Pretty sure?

    Must have been some good sh!t...

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  16. When you don't make anything... by copponex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you don't have a manufacturing sector, it's hard to create actual wealth. When corporate structures have co-opted your government into forcing you to compete with third world wages and shifted the tax burden from the richest to the middle class, it's impossible.

    Hey, welcome to 18th Century France! I can't wait to see what happens next...

  17. Y2K bug by mrboyd · · Score: 2, Funny

    Most likely a shitty automated brokerage system that initiated a fire sale when he calculated the net earning of his NASDAQ stock over the first trimester of 1900... Sheeple panicked, history ensued. And they say the Y2K bug had no impact... Geee.

  18. Re:Where were YOU when the bomb dropped? by spun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hehe, yeah, just a little joke. In reality, we had a state of the art integrated membership, document management, inventory, and point of sales system, hosted on a server with encrypted hard drives, in a locked and booby trapped closet, with hidden kill switches placed in strategic locations around the club, at foot level so we could kick them if the cops threw us up against the wall. Stoned or not, it was some of my best work. :)

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  20. Lies, damn lies, and... well, you're full of shit. by copponex · · Score: 4, Informative

    True. How fortunate that the US is #1 in manufacturing, and vastly ahead of #2 (Japan) and very far ahead of #3 (China).

    You know what the most important thing is for statistics? Context. Our manufacturing per capita consistently places us outside of the top 10. It's like people celebrating a US or Canadian women's hockey victory despite the fact that we have more players by a factor of a thousand. Sweden, Norway, Japan, and Germany outperform us in a number of areas. And I bet if you took entertainment out of the equation it would really be illuminating.

    You also may want to know that the #2 economy (by GDP alone) is now China. It also just overtook Germany as the world's largest exporter (again, by pure GDP, not per capita).

    And worse, Bill Clinton signed a larger tax cut for the rich than George Bush ever did...

    Alright, now you're just full of shit, by income tax and by effective tax rates. Read the tax rates here. Top bracket under Bush is 35%. Top bracket under Clinton is 39.6%. Capital gains tax was cut from 20% to 15%. Income from dividends went from 35% to 15%. The Estate Tax was halved, and even completely nonexistent for one year (this year, I think). And that's why you hear the babbling heads screaming bloody murder about keeping the Bush Tax Cuts.

    There's even an article in the Times from 2007. This shit is no secret. "Families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush’s tax cuts, according to a new Congressional study."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/washington/08tax.html

    And before you say a word about the richest paying the most taxes - OF COURSE. The top 1% of households hold more than 50% the assets. Why wouldn't they be paying most of the taxes?

    If you have any other questions about reality, feel free to ask.

  21. Re:Lies, damn lies, and... well, you're full of sh by copponex · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh NO! We're outside the top 10! Clear we "don't have a manufacturing sector" as you've said.

    Who's "full of shit", now?

    Manufacturing per GDP #75
    Exports per GDP #179

    That's not even remote what I said. I said Clinton gave them a bigger tax cut. Bush's tax cuts, on TOP of Clintons tax cuts, of course puts Bush's rate lower, because he came after.

    Effective Federal Tax Rates

    Top 1%
    1988: 29.7
    1992: 30.6
    1996: 36.0
    2000: 33.0
    2004: 31.4
    2006: 31.2

    Top 10%
    1988: 26.7
    1992: 26.9
    1996: 30.1
    2000: 29.6
    2004: 27.1
    2006: 27.5

    http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=456

    And I quote: DAVID CAY JOHNSTON

    Oooh! Look what else he said!

    Well, this is one-- this is a great irony. George Bush owes almost his entire fortune to a tax increase that was funneled into his pocket and into the use of eminent domain laws to essentially legally cheat other people out of their land for less than it was worth to enrich him and his fellow investors...

    One of the key sources I quote is a prominent Republican lawyer married to a United States senator who is the expert in Texas on municipal finance. The subsidy, he says, is $202.5 million. And Bush and his partners captured about 168 million of it.

    Anecdotes are awesome... but I prefer the CBO's statistical analysis. Johnston may be right about the top 400 households, but I was unable to find any real data on that.