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Researchers Beam 230Mb/sec Wireless Internet WIth LEDs

MikeChino writes "A group of scientists from Germany's Fraunhofer Institute have devised a way to encode a visible-frequency wireless signal in light emitted by plain old desklamps and other light fixtures. The team was able to achieve a record-setting data download rate of 230 megabits per second, and they expect to be able to double that speed in the near future. While the regular radio-frequency Wi-Fi most of us use currently is perfectly fine, it does have its flaws — it has a limited bandwidth that confines it to a certain spectrum and if you've ever had someone leech off of your connection, you know that it also leaks through walls. LED wireless signals would theoretically have none of these downsides."

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  1. No upsides either by IICV · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Leaking through walls" isn't a bug, it's a feature; I don't want to wire my whole house for Ethernet just to have wireless in every room, as that defeats the purpose.

    1. Re:No upsides either by maxume · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a huge upside for linking up video devices though. No interference from the neighbors, no interference from the other room.

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    2. Re:No upsides either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I tried that in my epilepsy classroom and everyone had a fit.

    3. Re:No upsides either by DigitAl56K · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Leaking through walls is not always a feature. I can't get the maximum benefit of my Wifi setup because I live in an apartment building and all my neighbors have devices chattering on every channel. All their routers are probably defaulted to high power, and there's nothing I can realistically do to improve my situation except switch to 802.11n/5G, which I did, and now I'm seeing more routers on that frequency range too.

      I don't want to lose my through-walls access, but if it could be heavily supplemented by light within my own home then I have an extra channel that my neighbors systems won't degrade. Even better if the lights can work as repeaters so if I leave some doors open I can get good signal around many corners, and better still if they also support several invisible frequencies so that my signal strength doesn't depend on bright lighting (or any lighting!) and devices like IR remotes don't interfere when you use them. I've also heard others complain their microwave kills their wifi, and I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is then there is another practical problem solved by this technology.

      Tell people about the practical benefits. As far as any security related story, I don't care. I already use WPA2/AES. 99.99% of the population probably doesn't care beyond that, either.

    4. Re:No upsides either by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      what if you could use the lighting that already exists in your house to do this? kinda like internet over power lines?

      Retailers already use this technology to change the display tags on shelves. After hours, they send a series of codes to modulate the fluorescent lighting in such a way that it sends new data to smart shelf tags. The shelf tags display a product name and a price. Changing the prices on those shelf tags are a major operational cost of grocery retailers.

      Fujitsu is one of the firms offering this. Here's Fujitsu's system.

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    5. Re:No upsides either by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If your room has no windows.

    6. Re:No upsides either by petermgreen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More than that even if you use LED lights you have the issue of the power supplies to contend with. I bet most PSUs won't pass through high frequency modulations.

      So you are talking about either rewiring your lights with a low voltage distribution system of some sort (possible but the cables get very big) or replacing the LED PSUs with something that can carry a signal across (say homeplug one side LED modulation the other)

      There is also the question of what to do for the return link.

      All in all nice idea but it needs some work to turn it into a practical product.

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    7. Re:No upsides either by GrpA · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if it doesn't have windows open, you can still go through a closed or even shuttered window. Telescopes replace direction antennas and have phenomenal gain and accuracy. Lasers beamed back in can return signals and don't have to be visible ( You can control transmit spectrum a lot easier than receive spectrum ). AlGaAs based photonic detectors can pick up single photons and are sensitive enough to spot light coming through a thin gap in shutters or curtains. ( think more sensitive than military NV devices ).

      Now, instead of being worried about people parking in cars just up the street, you need to worry about anything you can see from your house... Thos e hills 10km away? Not far enough. The highrise across the river? Huge risk.

      The good news is that tinfoil is sufficient to stop all photons, so a few rolls of tinfoil and tinfoil plated tape will be all you need to secure the wireless visible spectrum devices in your house.

      Until someone burns a ten micron hole in your defenses with an infra-red laser....

      GrpA

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    8. Re:No upsides either by IICV · · Score: 3, Funny

      Holy shit, apparently I live in the future and I didn't realize it.

    9. Re:No upsides either by noisyinstrument · · Score: 5, Funny

      People who live in glass houses shouldn't use plain text passwords.

    10. Re:No upsides either by NoMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't see why the response time of a fluorescent lamp has to be slow. You're dealing with a plasma in a partially evacuated tube controlled by an electrical current.

      You're forgetting that what you see is not the plasma (it emits mainly short-wavelength UV), but the phosphor coating (which is excited by the UV & emits visible light). The phosphor coating is specifically chosen to be (relatively) slow, in order to filter out the 50/60Hz flicker.

      In theory, you could use a faster phosphor and modulate the light output - but then you run into an issue with the half-life of the excited electron state. Basically, the electrons take a finite amount of time to drop from their excited state to their non-excited state (in the process releasing their energy as UV). This limits the maximum modulation frequency to somewhere ~5KHz. Again, this could probably be increased somewhat by the choice of plasma donor material, but there is a limit (e.g. I'd expect x-rays would be hard to contain ;-). And, since multi-bit encoding schemes like phase modulation are likely prove be tricky as best (aka 'improbable, if not impossible'), you're basically stuck with a maximum data transmission rate of half the modulation frequency - around 2.5Kbps.

      May as well stick to Bluetooth...

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  2. Just different ones by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    LED wireless signals would theoretically have none of these downsides.

    Nope, instead it'll have a whole range of different ones, such as requiring line of site.

    1. Re:Just different ones by wealthychef · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't think "site" means what you think it means.

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    2. Re:Just different ones by Uranium-238 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know what he meant really and he's quite right too. People could dick with these connections by putting a piece of paper infront of the transmitter or receiver. This just sounds like a uesless idea.

    3. Re:Just different ones by mrclisdue · · Score: 2, Funny

      If we continue to make a spelling mistake in each reply, at some point approaching infinity, we may have reconstructed the bible: to discover that you read it first on /..

      chers,

    4. Re:Just different ones by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Funny

      Slashdot 57:30, If we covet making a spelling mistake for each wife, at some point we forsake other gods and we may do unto others before they can do unto us first on /..

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    5. Re:Just different ones by twidarkling · · Score: 2, Informative

      With many modern remotes, you don't have to aim the remote at the device, but you can bounce it off walls and furniture and have it work great.

      Tell that to my fucking Blu-Ray player. The remote for my parents' 15 year old TV worked better at wider angles.

      Besides, the article mentioned Visible Spectrum. Good luck reflecting that and maintaining usefulness.

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    6. Re:Just different ones by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And losing your network connection because you were sitting at the wrong end of the conference table in your meeting would be a huge minus.

      And having the signal stop at the wall but not at the window sounds like a major ding to the "huge plus", not to mention a recipe for a false sense of security.

      In either case you'd have to secure your wireless network in a traditional fashion. So, why not just do that, and get the benefit of non-line-of-sight communication too?

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    7. Re:Just different ones by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IR is slow as hell and prone to interference from the sun! Sounds like a real winner

    8. Re:Just different ones by t0p · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or brick up all the windows. You won't need 'em with all the flashing LEDs to read by.

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  3. Blast from the past by jpmorgan · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's the return of IrDA!

  4. Fraunhofer juggernaut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraunhofer_Society

    (anon, copied from wiki, I just thought people should be more aware that Fraunhofer is an amazingly huge beast.

    It employs over 12,500, mainly scientists and engineers, with an annual research budget of about €1.2 billion

    The Fraunhofer Society currently operates 59 institutes. These are Fraunhofer Institutes for:

    * Algorithms and Scientific Computing - SCAI
    * Applied Information Technology - FIT
    * Applied Optics and Precision Engineering - IOF
    * Applied Polymer Research - IAP
    * Applied Solid State Physics - IAF
    * Biomedical Engineering - IBMT
    * Building Physics - IBP
    * Center for Molecular Biotechnology- CMB
    * Ceramic Technologies and Systems - IKTS
    * Chemical Technology - ICT
    * Communication Systems - ESK
    * Computer Architecture and Software Technology - FIRST
    * Computer Graphics Research - IGD
    * Digital Media Technology - IDMT
    * Electron and Plasma Technology - FEP
    * e-Government - Fraunhofer eGovernment Center
    * Environmental, Safety and Energy Technology - UMSICHT
    * Experimental Software Engineering - IESE
    * Factory Operation and Automation - IFF
    * High-Speed Dynamics, Ernst-Mach-Institut - EMI
    * Industrial Engineering - IAO
    * Industrial Mathematics - ITWM
    * Information and Dataprocessing - IITB
    * Information Center for Regional Planning and Building Construction - IRB
    * Integrated Circuits - IIS
    * Integrated Systems and Device Technology - IISB
    * Integrated Publication and Information Systems - IPSI
    * Intelligent Analysis and Information Systems - IAIS
    * Interfacial Engineering and Biotechnology - IGB
    * Laser Technology - ILT
    * Machine Tools and Forming Technology - IWU
    * Manufacturing Engineering and Applied Materials Research - IFAM
    * Manufacturing Engineering and Automation - IPA
    * Material and Beam Technology - IWS
    * Material Flow and Logistics - IML
    * Mechanics of Materials - IWM
    * Medical Image Computing - MEVIS
    * Microelectronic Circuits and Systems - IMS
    * Molecular Biology and Applied Ecology - IME
    * Telecommunications, Heinrich-Hertz-Institut - HHI
    * Non-Destructive Testing - IZFP
    * Open Communication Systems - FOKUS
    * Patent Center for German Research - PST
    * Photonic Microsystems - IPMS
    * Physical Measurement Techniques - IPM
    * Process Engineering and Packaging - IVV
    * Production Systems and Design Technology - IPK
    * Production Technology - IPT
    * Reliability and Microintegration - IZM

  5. FhG owns MP3 by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    Fraunhofer Society (FhG) is the organization that owns the MP3 patents and licenses them through RCA.

  6. No kitty, that's my pot pie! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, you can not haz beam of light interwebs. You are obviously a lolcat, and the only thing lolcats should do with beams of light is chase them. Who is a cute kitty? Who is? You! Yes you are!

  7. An idea that's been around by dtmos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    US patent 6,542,270 ("Interference-robust coded-modulation scheme for optical communications and method for modulating illumination for optical communications"), issued April 1, 2003, assigns direct sequence spread spectrum-type codes to each overhead fluorescent light, so that communication and location-determination can be performed. The chip frequency of the coding scheme is fast enough that there is no human-audible or -visual effect, and supportable by electronic ballasts.

  8. Utterly Stupid.... by loose+electron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you really want to use optical communocation you might as well go infrared so you don't need to see it, similar to your TV remote.

    Then you have all the problems (visible light or infrared) of orientation, line of sight and similar.

    Hopefully the creator of this gadget has not quit their day job.

    utterly stupid.

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  9. What I want to know is: by killmenow · · Score: 4, Funny

    What happens if you cross the beams?

  10. I RTFA by harrkev · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I RTFA. It says that they achieve the bandwidth by filtering out the blue light. This makes sense, as white LEDs are actually blue LEDs with phosphors added to get the other colors. Phosphors are similar to glow-in-the-dark stuff, so they retain light for a little while. Presumably, the blue filter is only needed over the receiver.

    The one questions is: how does your laptop equipped with this technology talk back? Will your laptop have a multi-watt emitter on the top (read "bright white light") lighting up the room for the upstream traffic?

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  11. Oh, and ... by dtmos · · Score: 3, Informative

    Those interested in this LED-based technology can check out the IEEE 802.15.7 Visible Light Communication Task Group. Members of the Fraunhofer Institute are regular contributors to the standard.

    1. Re:Oh, and ... by xigxag · · Score: 2, Informative

      Members of the Fraunhofer Institute are regular contributors to the standard.

      In that case, it's bound to be cool. And by cool, I mean patent encumbered.

      BTW, {nitpick} it's not "the" Fraunhofer Institute, it's "Fraunhofer Society," within which are various institutes. Probably the most famous is on the internet is the Fraunhofer Institute for Integrated Circuits (Fraunhofer IIS) in Erlangen, whence came the mp3 standard. But the one responsible for Visible Light Communication is Fraunhofer HHI in Berlin. {/nitpick}

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  12. This is great... but... by troylanes · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm an epileptic you insensitive clod!

  13. big whoop by pablo_max · · Score: 4, Funny

    We do the same thing at work with Interns and flashlights.

  14. I remember a DIY LED netsystem.... by Ogi_UnixNut · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...called Ronja, only 10-mbits/sec, but ~1.4km range, and it could all be built by yourself. Quite cool IMO. You can find out more info (on the now bit dated) site here: http://ronja.twibright.com/

  15. Re:Oh Great by noidentity · · Score: 2, Informative

    Now everything I own, from my Star Wars light saber to my Krusty the Klown glow-in-the-dark alarm clock, could potentially with wireless signal. Oy carumba

    That's actually been a documented problem in some devices with status LEDs, which inadvertently leaked information due to being tied directly to the (serial) data line, rather than a low-pass filtered version of it.

  16. IrDA died for a good reason. by teh+dave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In case they hadn't noticed, IrDA is dead for a good reason. The fact that the last two versions of it are much faster than Bluetooth (2.x) is irrelevant, it's too much of an inconvenience for most of its potential users in comparison to Bluetooth. It was great before Bluetooth came about and I used the latest versions of it with my old phone because it was much faster than Bluetooth, and I never had a problem with it for that purpose. Most potential users prefer the convenience of Bluetooth though, for obvious reasons. My new phone doesn't have IrDA, and hardly any new phones do, and as far as consumers go, that technology is all but dead. I can see LED networking going the same way.

  17. Digital video by BillX · · Score: 4, Funny

    I assume the 230Mb/s is for stuff like delivering digital video to your TV without plugging cables.

    "Wow, this movie looks even better in digital!"

    "Here, let me turn the lights out so we can wa...oh."

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  18. Desk lamps, OK, that's one way by HuguesT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now how do we communicate the other way ? Like from the laptop back to the router ? How do I twiddle the house lights from there. Inquiring minds want to know.

    BTW what kind of light sensor did they use ? Cheap hopefully.

  19. Bandwidth Meter by multimediavt · · Score: 2, Funny

    Downloading from couch with laptop facing "array" across room, 100% signal strength

    Dog walks into room between laptop and array, 30% signal strength while dog passes

    Child walks in room and stands in front of you to talk to you, 0% signal strength until conversation ends, or kid dies for cutting off your slashdot post mid submit!

    Wife walks in with credit card bill with pr0n charges, array gets smashed and you get served.

    No good can come from this!

  20. 1975 here we come... by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Funny

    Geez, I played with LED data links when I was in high school and LEDS came in all colours provided that it was red. Years later I used the power LED of a device (woohoo, we had green too by then) for a debug data link. Now you *really* got to get off my lawn...

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